Oil Spill in Gulf of Mexico Part 4

61 posts / 0 new
Last post
remind remind's picture
Oil Spill in Gulf of Mexico Part 4

continued from here


"Some interesting facts I know.  Methane just has to attain 5% of the air volume to be explosive ….and it burns at a temperature just under that of an atomic bomb ….the combustion product is carbon monoxide…the simple friction of the earth or a spark can ignite it (methane)."

You should check the sources of your facts. Like all hydrocarbons, the usual combustion products of methane are carbon dioxide and water. I don't think it would be a very good cooking fuel (i.e. natural gas), if it burned as hot as an atomic bomb.

Tigana Tigana's picture

BP Oil Disaster WORST CASE SCENARIO w/ Kindra Arnesen, BP Community Liaison    


Project Gulf Impact    



Buddy Kat

Policywonk wrote:

"Some interesting facts I know.  Methane just has to attain 5% of the air volume to be explosive ….and it burns at a temperature just under that of an atomic bomb ….the combustion product is carbon monoxide…the simple friction of the earth or a spark can ignite it (methane)."

You should check the sources of your facts. Like all hydrocarbons, the usual combustion products of methane are carbon dioxide and water. I don't think it would be a very good cooking fuel (i.e. natural gas), if it burned as hot as an atomic bomb.

In a controlled experiment using catalysts sure the products would be co2 and water but in an INCOMPLETE combustion…. IE in the air or a furnace in your home (natural gas) or the atmosphere CO ( carbon monoxide ) is produced instead of co2 as in this situation.

Methane in AIR burns @ 2000 C ..yep 2 thousand..

In the case of natural gas going to your stove top ....a variety of methods usually requiring pressure valves and special nozzles are used to reduce the intense heat...not to mention the addition of other additives and specialized heat exchangers etc.


I don't blame you for jumping to conclusions as methane and it's byproducts are one of the most covered up compounds you'll run into. For plenty of reasons. The big one being it makes up a huge percentage of so called natural gas and as we all now it's piped into everyones homes...can't panic the people now can we.


The other reasons are to due to it's use as a weapon...study FAE ( fuel air explosives) and "daisy cutters"and you'll get a pretty good grip on what your local gas company injects in your home and that furthur ...everyone has access to. Government and oil/gas companies are as thick as thieves and misinformation and disinformation are tools that serve them well.

If you don't believe me just look at this gulf oil BP fiasco as an example and that's with a zillion media outlets on their ass. Typically they usually have media by the short ones and cover up everything real good...and that's all oil/gas companies .

Incidently a Nagasaki or Hroshima type A- bomb produced a temperature under the fireball @ 7000 F…or 3800 C. Either way the poor people could be incinerated .









BP, Government Blocking Press from Reporting their 'Ballet at Sea'


"The federal government has sided with BP and helped BP obstruct press freedom.."

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

I suspect any gas in the air over the Gulf has weakened in its potential for explosive power simply because the Gulf winds disperse these gases substantially and in doing so they get broken down even further. Unless I see a credible source to the contrary, it's my opinion that the potential for a catastrophic explosive event remains unlikely. I hope there's very little potential for such an event, at any rate.


Question: what is the proven reserves of oil near the leak in the Gulf? How much longer can this go on?Frown


What about the First Amendment?

Frustrated Mess Frustrated Mess's picture

Yeah, that's like free assembly in Toronto. An inalienable right until you exercise it.


500_Apples wrote:

What about the First Amendment?


They can still write about it all they want from prison.


Are they just days away from completing the relief well? Maybe have it stopped before the end of July?

Ahh, but then the cleanup. And the anoxic ocean water [lacking oxygen] will grow and grow, dead zones will become monstrous. It is so hard to be optomistic isn't it.


Today the oil stopped flowing for the first time in almost 90 days.

  The fact that they designed a "capping stack" that actually works after 90 days of spilling means that they were improvising.

  BP and other deep sea oil drillers should have had this equipment designed and fully tested years ago, BEFORE they first started drilling in water this deep {over 500 feet deep}.


No contingency plan nothing. It's ridiculous. Heads should roll.


Doomsday Methane Bubble Rupture?


"Most disturbing of all: Methane levels in the water are now calculated being almost one million times higher than normal.."


These cracks in the ocean floor was the stated reason for not capping the well off earlier - they were saying that oil and gas might come bubbling up if they just capped it. So why are they capping it now? - probably because the relief wells are close and if the gas and oil comes bubbling up through the cracks they can just plug it below where those cracks are.

But they don't really know how deep the cracks go - there could be cracks lower than the relief well bore is, and if so the relief wells won't stop the oil and gas from bubbling up. That is not very likely though, cracks just don't go that deep very often.


Methane becomes a liquid when under enough pressure, or if it is cold enough. Methane in water can crystalise under the right conditions. Link> http://theobligatescientist.blogspot.com/2010/05/methane-hydrate-crystal...

Letting the pressure off, as all the wells in the Gulf are doing by removing oil and gas from the pools beneath the Gulf, could turn liquid methane to gas and it will all come bubbling out, as the article proposes.

But that "40,000 psi" pressure reading is stunning too. They are not telling the TV audience about that. They say 6000 to 8000 psi is what they hope for, and that readings are below 8000 psi. At least that is all I have heard.


The Source of our Despair


"With a new containment cap atop the damaged well, many are hopeful. But all is not well, after all..."

'Seep' Found near Capped BP Oil Well


"Bad news is trickling in for oil giant BP and its capped oil well in the Gulf of Mexico, as a seep and possible methane have reportedly been detected near its busted well.."

remind remind's picture

Yep, screws the planet and gets rewarded....as opposed to standing trial....


As the saying goes, you're only worth what you negotiate.  I'm sure he had a (very expensive) law firm go through his contract when he took the job (and I'm willing to guarantee that contract will also require BP to pay for his lawyers to go through his severance agreement with a fine tooth comb).


writer writer's picture

"Day 100"

 Now that the relief well is ready to be used to plug the monster, and the oil is no longer flowing, the message in the media is that "it isn't so bad after all because the bacteria are degrading the oil in the water".

  I am happy to hear that, and I might believe it because conditions ARE good for degradation as compared to the cold waters of the Exxon spill, but I wonder if that bacterial action is actually changing the oil into a harmless form?

  When the bacteria consume the oil in the water, and other life forms consume that bacteria, and so on up the chain, is there still a TOXIC quality to it? Are oil toxins accumulating in "the bigger fish"?Or do the bacteria somehow change the chemistry of oil to make it harmless?

   And where those oil-eating bacteria are thriving, is that also some kind of "Dead Zone"? Will it become one? Are those bacteria anerobic types, or are they oxygen based?

  We are not going to hear much about these questions if the press is being restricted as pointed out above, where reporters are being threatened with jail and large fines for reporting on oiled birds and so on. Come to think of it, it has been a few weeks since we have seen any new pictures of oiled Herons, etc. What about those dead turtles - no photos!!



Denial, or deniability, is being spilled all over the media this morning as BP announces that "3/4 of the oil is gone from the Gulf" in that it has been "burned, collected, evaporated, or dispersed".

Key word: "DISPERSED".

In the real world, it is not gone. BP just wants us all to believe it is gone, but in fact there is about 25% of the spilled oil [over 1 million barrels] that is in the form of small droplets in those plumes at various depths in the Gulf waters.

Sea life does not get to pretend that those plumes of oil are gone, they are ingesting it. As for the "oil-eating bacteria" that is ingesting some of that dispersed oil, other sea life might be consuming those bacteria and that might not be so healthy. Also, "dead zones" tend to form where those oil eating bacteria are thriving because they are anerobic bacteria [nothing else lives in dead zones].

In other words, it is not over just because we cannot see oil on the beaches, even if that is what media and BP wants us to believe.





The oil and gas from the Biloxi Dome area has not stopped flowing. It's an oil exploration well which blew out on or about February 13, 2010 so severely that it deposited the Blow Out Preventer (BOP) and the steel well casing hundreds of yards away on the ocean floor. There is nothing there to cap or abate the oil flow with. It's an open hole that is nothing less than an oil, gas and tar volcano. While a certain leaking BP well may have been capped seven miles northeast of the Biloxi Dome area, an already large underwater lake of oil at an approximate 3,000 foot depth is rapidly growing each hour. It's estimated 9 mile length in May 2010 is surely dwarfed in size now"


I must have been sleeping when this happened. I clipped the above from this site (dated Aug 10) -


More very interesting info about the Biloxi Dome is here http://worldvisionportal.org/wvpforum/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=931



Uncovering the Lies That Are Sinking the Oil


"You can't say the oil is gone, it's right here! Them saying it's not here is a bunch of bullshit.."


Obama's Gulf Swim Was Fake


"As for Obama's swim, on August 16, the London Independent reported that Obama and his daughter Sasha, swam in a private Panama City Beach, a FL beach off Alligator Point in St. Andrews Bay, NOT in the Gulf. Reporters were banned no video permitted. 'So only the White House photographers were allowed to capture proceedings.

The official picture was intended to provide evidence that the region's beaches are back to normal.'..."

I was going to post this to the thread about what Obama was up against. I suppose one answer to that question would be first and foremost his own mendacity. Pity he was the only shark swimming there that day..

Catchfire Catchfire's picture

Study: Petroleum-eating microbes significantly reduced gulf oil plume

The Gulf of Mexico ecosystem was ready and waiting for something like the Deepwater Horizon blowout, and seems to have made the most of it, a new scientific study suggests.

Petroleum-eating bacteria - which had dined for eons on oil seeping naturally through the sea floor - proliferated in the cloud of oil that drifted underwater for months after the April 20 accident. They not only outcompeted fellow microbes, they each ramped up their own internal metabolic machinery to digest the oil as efficiently as possible.

The result was a nature-made cleanup crew capable of reducing the amount of oil in the undersea "plume" by half about every three days, according to research published online Tuesday by the journal Science.

The findings, by a team of scientists led by Terry C. Hazen of the Lawrence Berkeley National Laborator, in California, help explain one of the biggest mysteries of the disaster - where has all the oil gone?

"What we know about the degradation rates fits with what we are seeing in the last three weeks," Hazen said. "We've gone out to the sites and we don't find any oil but we do find the bacteria."

remind remind's picture

wow, just wow.

George Victor

The drilling firm whose rig sank to the floor of the Gulf of Mexico is challenging BPs version of events, as explained in a BBC story:


"Contractors who worked for BP on the ill-fated Deepwater Horizon oil rig have criticised the company's report into the Gulf of Mexico oil spill.

Drilling firm Transocean branded the report "self serving" while cement contractor Halliburton said it contained "omissions and inaccuracies".

BP blamed a "sequence of failures involving a number of different parties" for the spill.

Continue reading the main story

US Oil Spill

It faces billions of dollars worth of compensation claims over the disaster.

Transocean dismissed BP's report, accusing the oil giant of having designed a "fatally flawed" well and making "cost-saving decisions that increased risk - in some cases, severely".

"This is a self-serving report that attempts to conceal the critical factor that set the stage for the Macondo (well) incident: BP's fatally flawed well design," the Swiss-based group said in a statement."


Several million Transocian shares were bought up by the Ontario Teacher's Pension Plan when share values were halved after the accident. Making sure that BP is the target of litigation would be a prudent move on Transocean's part.



Censored Gulf Alert: Entire LA Communities Where They're Vomiting Blood (and vid)


"The inhumanity of the petrochemical-military-industrial-complex (PMIC) Gulf operation warfare on Americans using its dispersant chemical weapon of mass destruction manufactured in the United States becomes more apparent each passing day. One of the latest reports is that there are entire Louisiana communities where people are bleeding internally


Isn't it amazing how this story has disappeared from the news. I don't want to start a new little storm here, but I can't help but liken it to how quickly the 9/11-slash-WTC story became normalized and effectively swept under the rug through a completely inane set of explanations which were not allowed to get questioned, and if they did, the questions became marginalized as the stuff of tinfoil hats.

The article Catchfire cites was the last major bit of news I had heard environmentally on the oil spill. At first I thought "thank god!". And then I thought, "No way." There's no way a spill of that magnitude is going to miraculously disappear. They are putting solvent on it, like they've done from day one, and saying "see? it's all gone!"

I do think we live in an era where newsmakers are assuming that our short attention span and appetite for reality-TV-style "everyday miracles" will also mean lots of hallelujahs and uncritical acceptance of any story or explanation designed to disappear a problem of quite sinister importance. With all due respect and some not due, 9/11 was merely the beginning of this more blatant intensification of mass-mediated ignorance and misinformation.



I'm very concerned about the American White Pelican which summers along the waterways here in Manitoba, among other places, and winters in the Gulf. As well as many grasslands birds.




NoDifferencePartyPooper wrote:

Censored Gulf Alert: Entire LA Communities Where They're Vomiting Blood (and vid)...

"The inhumanity of the petrochemical-military-industrial-complex (PMIC) Gulf operation warfare on Americans using its dispersant chemical weapon of mass destruction manufactured in the United States becomes more apparent each passing day. One of the latest reports is that there are entire Louisiana communities where people are bleeding internally

I'm sorry, I can't make any sense of this article. They're calling it a "pesticide" when it's actually a dispersant.

Here's some audio I found of the reporter in question regarding this story:


(Jamail starts at 0:57)



Scientists wary of BP oil spill's long-term effects on species

"We're seeing clear evidence of impacts as recently as the end of the past week, with vivid photographs of deepwater coral impacted by what was referred to as a brown substance," Crosby said during a Tuesday news conference, referring to the findings of scientists at locations seven miles away from the BP Macondo well in coral fields nearly a mile beneath the ocean's surface.

"They have seen oil in the gills of shrimp," said William Hogarth, dean of South Florida's marine sciences college and former assistant administrator for fisheries with the National Marine Fisheries Service, referring to varied reports of scientists along the Gulf coast. "There may not be an immediate effect on species right now, but we could be seeing such an effect in a year, three years, five years from now."


Dispersants' Toxic Legacy

...Peter Hodson, an aquatic toxicologist from Queen's University in Ontario, says that the EPA's conclusions might not be exactly true; the dispersed oil does have a more toxic effect, since toxic components like polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs) are spread around more widely in the water. Nature reports on his presentation at a Society of Environmental Toxicology and Chemistry in Portland, Oregon earlier this week:

The problem, explains Hodson, is that the dispersed cloud of microscopic oil droplets allows the PAHs to contaminate a volume of water 100–1,000 times greater than if the oil were confined to a floating surface slick. This hugely increases the exposure of wildlife to the dispersed oil. "EPA was presenting only part of the risk equation," he told the meeting. "They're trying to sugar-coat the message. In trying to understand the risks of dispersed oil, we need to understand exposure."


It's been extremely difficult to find updates on migratory birds in the Gulf. Or I am not entering the proper search terms.

Here's a few:

Cooperative Federal Effort to Protect Birds in Spill Zone

Early arrivals are thriving in natural and manmade habitats, but scientists still worry

Noise Cannons keep birds from landing in contaminated areas


Two of the above are government sources. The other, from the NWF, is not really an update in the sense of reporting what is occurring from the ground. Why is it so hard to find such information?


   A Florida State University professor says the oil is still there: "most of that Deepwater Horizon oil - as much as 70 percent to 79 percent of it -sank to the ocean floor, where it remains, sucking up oxygen and inhibiting life. > http://www.waltonsun.com/news/settled-88838-newsherald-most-spilled.html

* Louisiana allegedly has more oiled shoreline now than in July ; "the total amount of Louisiana shoreline impacted by oil has grown from 287 miles in July to 320 miles today."
> http://www.gadling.com/2010/11/29/bowermasters-adventures-measuring-the-...


   The other big issues are the safety of sea food and the effects of the dispersants, and these two issues may be linked in that the dispersants have created toxins that are getting into the seafood {"there is no safe level of PAHs"}Two Quotes:
"Scientists from Oregon State University found elevated levels of polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs) in the Gulf, and blamed dispersants."

"The website of the prestigious Journal Nature is also reporting on the increase of PAH contamination due to the use of dispersants in the Gulf"



BP lawyers dispute oil spill volume in attempt to reduce fine

Gulf Oil Spill: Why Size Mattered From the Very Beginning, Especially for BP:


BP initially argued that measuring the size of the Gulf oil spill was an unnecessary distraction to the task of stopping the gushing well. The federal government acquiesced and put out a low-ball estimate of 5,000 barrels of oil a day based on satellite imagery. It would be five weeks before a federal team, called the Flow Rate Technical Group, would provide more accurate data. And even those numbers were low compared with what they would eventually determine.

From May 9, 2010:  How Much Oil Has Leaked Into the Gulf of Mexico?:


Other estimates are far more grim. The New York Times reported that BP told members of Congress the rate could be much, much higher:

In a closed-door briefing for members of Congress, a senior BP executive conceded Tuesday that the ruptured oil well could conceivably spill as much as 60,000 barrels a day of oil, more than 10 times the estimate of the current flow.

May 14: Gulf Spill May Far Exceed Official Estimates

June 15: Oil estimate raised to 35,000-60,000 barrels a day

August 3: Oil spill dumped 4.9 million barrels into Gulf of Mexico, latest measure shows

Meanwhile, BP Returns to Profit in Third Quarter

How is it that BP can be returning to profit? As far as I'm concerned, they should not be concerned with profits for another 5 to 10 years, as they have serious obligations to meet. Aren't British citizens ashamed and embarassed?

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

I've posted this to a couple of forums:


Armed services are urged to stock kitchens with Gulf seafood




"He expressed what we wanted to hear: He is in favor of the federal government buying seafood from the Gulf," said Smith, who said he would like to see Gulf seafood as the choice throughout the public domain, "whether it's the military or prison systems or school systems."


Even to the White House? Laughing  And, doesn't the military have a long history of serving as 'guinea pigs'? Surprised




Smith said that while unprecedented levels of testing of seafood post-spill have proved its safety, "I think we are going to have to test for along time to constantly reassure the consumer that the seafood is safe."


The still unanswerable question is the long-term effect of the oil spilled and the dispersants used to break it up, effects that might not show up for years. "We don't know that answer and I don't think there's a scientist that could give you a definitive answer," Smith said.




Gulf seafood to star at White House holiday parties

Oil-spill protesters converge on Grand Isle:

The oil is not gone, seafood testing is not thorough and people are still having health problems nearly seven months after the oil spill, protesters said at a rally Saturday afternoon on Grand Isle.
. . .


Fishermen are still finding oily shrimp and fish with oil in their gills and shrimp peelings are inexplicably washing up on Grand Isle’s shores, said Margaret Curole, a former shrimper from Galliano who now advocates for fisheries through the Commercial Fishermen of America and other groups. Government agencies performing the seafood and environmental testing want everything to smooth over so they can go back to “business as usual” and continue their cozy relationships with oil companies, said Curole, 49.


RevolutionPlease RevolutionPlease's picture

This is disgusting...


The Gulf of Mexico Is Dying - by Dr Tom Termotto - Concerned Citizens of Florida


"It is with deep regret that we publish this report. The Gulf of Mexico does not exist in isolation and is in fact connected to the Seven Seas. Hence, we publish these findings in order that the world community will come together to further contemplate this dire and devastating predicament.."


I'm sure some of that is pertinent information, however I find the tone and style of the above article irritating and confusing. It more closely resembles concerned opinion than a report. The author is not "reporting" on current developments in the Gulf, nor is he reporting on the supposed Gulf Oil Spill Remediation Conference of which he was a part. He's drawing a number of conclusions based on information he's gleaned from blogs, and also citing a geohazards specialist improperly.

I don't doubt the seriousness of this spill and the possibility that it may indeed kill the entire gulf, which will affect neighbouring oceans and ecosystems. But I find the opening line, "...It is with deep regret that we publish this report" disingenuous, self-important and misleading, as it's not a report at all.

The question I have is why BP was allowed to use dispersants to the extent that they did, and probably far more than they will even admit to, with the EPA suggesting that dispersed oil would be "better" than sludge. The only thing the dispersants have done is hide the problem, and that's exactly what BP needed to happen.

There is no way we have seen the end of this and it's utterly sickening the mainstream media whitewash/blackout on this.

An article from the summer: Gulf Dispersants: BP and Nalco Play Toxic Roulette


Panel challenges Gulf seafood safety all-clear

The real reason the fishery was re-opened so quickly:

Smith's clients in the BP oil spill include environmental activists and fishermen who don’t believe the seafood to be safe. The independent testing he is overseeing is meant to provide a legal underpinning to their anecdotal evidence — sightings of oil sheens, tar balls, oily fish — and help them win full compensation for their damage claims.

"When BP says your guy isn’t fishing (as a reason not to pay for lost income) we can say he isn’t fishing because it isn’t safe,” said Smith.

Tigana Tigana's picture

The story of the Gulf Spill might just be starting. Negative health effects from the toxins in the fossil fuels and toxic dispersants are starting to show up now.

Local doctors are seeing children in the area with "lesions all over their bodies".


"Dr. Rodney Soto, a medical doctor in Santa Rosa Beach, Florida, has been testing and treating patients with high levels of oil-related chemicals in their bloodstream.

These are commonly referred to as volatile organic compounds (VOCs). Anthropogenic VOCs from BP's oil disaster are toxic and have negative chronic health effects.

Dr. Soto is finding disconcertingly consistent and high levels of toxic chemicals in every one of the patients he is testing.

"I'm regularly finding between five and seven VOCs in my patients," Dr. Soto told IPS. "These patients include people not directly involved in the oil clean-up, as well as residents that do not live right on the coast. These are clearly related to the oil disaster."


link> http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=22799

Tigana Tigana's picture

Video of pollution blasted by Hutchison frequencies

John Hutchison and Nancy Lazaryan have been working with frequencies that break up oil and purify water at  Indian Creek, Eastpoint, Florida. She writes,

"We have modified and built new frequency equipment while staying here. This location gives a unique opportunity to video the water and frequencies.
On January 16, 2011 a "slime goo" arrived at the mouth of the creek. It was "coming in with the tide". Over an hour of video documenting was accomplished, including very close shots of the slime goo.
The sun on the water/slime goo was used as a "spectrometer".

"Highlights" from the long video were taken and put into a video that is NOW POSTED at:
I did the editing on the "Highlights" video, and in many places slowed the video way, way down to show the almost instant "implosions" of the "slime goo".

Some of these "implosions" can be seen for only 2 to 4 frames. This means the entire "event" happens in 1/8 to 1/15th of a SECOND...the reason I slowed the video way, way down. I do not believe these images are "bubbles of water popping"...IMO these implosion events were way too fast to be water bubbles.

The complete "long version" in high definition is in "normal time". This video is being posted by Sterling Allen at 
It took over two days to send the video to Sterling (over Skype) and he is currently uploading it to the above site. (Which will take another two days to load).
EVEN BETTER more slime goo came into the creek yesterday with the tide. I got my high def TV camera and laid on the dock to get a different angle. What I captured on video were several "events" of miniscule particles of slime goo breaking apart and disappearing.
This video will be ready and posted in a couple of days.
PLEASE carefully review the first two videos. And send to anyone and everyone. We would like comments and suggestions for what to look for in the raw footage we have, and SCIENTIFIC analysis. Those interested in analyzing the "long version" will need to look frame by frame, as "events" happen very rapidly.
Thank you.
Nancy Lazaryan"