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I know this subject has probably been dealt with here before, but I was still amazed reading today.
According to an in-depth government study of Canadian women done in 1993,
51% of women aged 18-64 have been the victim of rape or attempted rape. 40% of women reported at least one experience of successful rape.
And, from examining the methodology, it seemed like the study's definitions of "rape" and "sexual assault" were well-defined.
Furthermore, the stats on incest and physical violence were nearly as horrible.
Perhaps it is just a natural human tendency towards denial of terrible things, but I must admit having trouble believing such statistics.
I am wondering what women have encountered among their friends and associates. As women, do you believe such studies have found accurate rates of such violence?
I in no way mean to deny the possibility that domestic violence is so prevalent. I am just surprised at the numbers.
I don't doubt the studies. I think often women are reluctant to discuss their experiences with friends or family. Maybe we feel shame or maybe it triggers bad memories, it just isn't an especially enjoyable thing to think about. It's been my experience that a lot of my female friends have dealt with abuse, but it's something most of them keep pretty guarded about. I think that's understandable.
When you're dealing with a survey where you can be more or less anonymous, or people you don't have to encounter again, it's easier to be open about things that are painful to discuss.
Hmmm - this sounds about right to me. Sadly.
Someone on another message board quoted the following:
'over 50% domestic homicides, female defendants.'
'50% of rapes of boys under age, by women.'
Anyone know where this came from? I am baffled.
Gaia_Child, could you post a link or cite the source where you read this information? I don't doubt the stats that you cite (I was just thinking of the women I know and how many have been sexually abused or assaulted), but it's a little hard to have a discussion without the document.
Anyone know where this came from? I am baffled.
From ignorance and misogeny is my guess. [img]frown.gif" border="0[/img]
'over 50% domestic homicides, female defendants.
Of course, this is [url=http://www.statcan.ca/english/Pgdb/legal10b.htm]complete rubbish[/url].
That stat page isn't broken down by type of homicide. The poster's stat of 50%, while it could still be wrong, refers to domestic homicide, ie: the killing of a spouse or partner.
No, it isn't broken down by type of homicide, but just on the face of it, with roughly eight times as many men as women charged, it would be very unlikely for women to be committing half of all domestic homicides.
Anyway, according to [url=http://www.csc-scc.gc.ca/text/rsrch/briefs/b12/b12e_e.shtml]this study[/url]:
During 1994, one in six solved homicides was a spousal (includes registered marriages, common-law relationships and persons separated/divorced) homicide, with women accounting for three-quarters of the victims.
[ 20 February 2004: Message edited by: 'lance ]
...often women are reluctant to discuss their experiences with friends or family. Maybe we feel shame or maybe it triggers bad memories, it just isn't an especially enjoyable thing to think about. It's been my experience that a lot of my female friends have dealt with abuse, but it's something most of them keep pretty guarded about. I think that's understandable
I was raised to expect a bit of "abuse" here or there. I think a lot of times women just brush it off as "part of life."
For example, I was assaulted on a public bus. A man put his hands where they don't belong, just because he could. (It was a rare skirt wearing day for me...)
It took me years to define that incident as violence and sexual assault. It just seemed so part of the rest of my day, part of the spectrum of leers, cat-calls and rude comments women deal with daily.
I am helping a family violence prevention program for male victims of domestic violence in Calgary obtain funding - it's an uphill battle. Nobody wants to admit the men can be victims and what strikes me is that male victims are just as reluctant as female victims to come forward because of very different reasons.
There is an organization in Calgary called Homefront - it works with the crown prosecutor and it's supposed to partner with family violence prevention organizations in Calgary, yet they are refusing to partner with the organization I volunteer with because the victims of family violence are male.
Very troubling and unfortunately we are going to have to file a complaint with the Alberta Human Rights Commission because they won't allow our organization to work with them and they are a vital link in the prosecution of abusers.
Originally posted by Gaia_Child:
but I must admit having trouble believing such statistics.
Possibly you have trouble believing these terrible things because you have never experienced them. Like the study you have quoted says, most women have experienced sexual and physical domestic violence.
It is a part of our lives and it sucks. This is how we are going to stop it. By talking about it, by objecting to it. By prosecuting the offenders. By protecting the victims/survivors. By educating the uneducated.
This is it. The buck stops here. At least I hope and pray it stops here in my family. By exposing our abusers I am hopeful of ending the cycle of generations of physical, sexual and emotional abuse.
violence against women
Such statistics may seem unbelievable as the vast majority of incidences of rape, assault, and domestic abuse (including domestic rape) go largely unreported and unnoticed in the mainstream media. More often than not, when they are documented the message we receive from the reports is largely the same: violence is *not* epidemic or widespread. It is perpetrated by drug addicts, coloured persons, or the mentally ill (read: "crazy") and is usually committed by strangers.
The reality is glaring, and it is this: the violence happens everywhere, at all times; it affects women (and to a very very large and disproportionate amount - WOMEN)of every age, colour, income, and social standing; it can happen at night, it can happen in broad daylight, and, much much more often than not, it is perpetrated by someone the woman KNOWS and perhaps even LIVES WITH. Its habitual nature is perpetuated by sexist and apathetic attitudes towards the chief causes and consequences of its power - the IMBALANCE of POWER in society between men and women - where women remain to be regarded as largely subordinate. It is a SYSTEMIC issue that needs to be addressed through education, awareness, ACTION, and INTOLERANCE if it is - and it CAN be - eradicated largely for GOOD.
Josey Voguls reflects in her weekly column 'My Messy Bedroom'
[url=http://www.joseyvogels.com/]No means No[/url]
It made sense on paper ....But as an anti date-rape strategy, I’m not so sure it held up in reality.
communication is difficult at the best of times
[ 15 July 2007: Message edited by: TemporalHominid ]
Sexual consent and sexual communication are much more complex than a simple yes or no, [b]he says.[/b]
Originally posted by remind:[QB][/QB]
Remind, I copied and pasted that phrase you wrote into edit find, and it didn't show up on the page.
re: sexual consent and communication, psychologists and sociologists would say it's a wonder men and women can communicate at all, let a lone any two people in any given converstation.
Consider how communication can be a challenge demonstrated by using an interactive communication model:
Noise = $ Noise$ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ Channel/s $ $ $ $ $ Channel/s $ $ $ Sender :behaves: ---> ;MESSAGE; ---> Decodes: Receiver $$$ receiver Decodes:<--- ;FEEDBACK; <-- :behaves: Sender $$ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ Channel/s $ $ $ $ $ Channel/s $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ A's Environment / B's Environment $ $ $ $ $ $Noise
and then add in a good mix of any other factors when sexuality is involved: like alcohol/ illicit substances, or Alcohol Fetal Affects Syndrome, medications, past sexual assaults on either individual, a person's agenda, like a male thinking 'I am getting laid no matter what', memory loss, brain injuries, etc..... which all contribute to the "Noise"
And note, with the addition of feedback and environment this model is not completely satisfactory. The Model suggests communication is a static activity, that there are distinct discrete acts at specific times. It suggest too that there is cause and effect, and at any given moment a person is either sending or receiving, but in fact, communication is a transaction... Often, communications and relationships are "unfinished business", and the way people act in the future to each other is dependent on the the outcome of a previous conversation. Also, another factor is that clarity is not always the goal when people communicate, as people often are deliberatly vague to hide real feelings and to save others from embarassment or to hide their agendas.
Originally posted by 500_Apples:[b]Remind, I copied and pasted that phrase you wrote into edit find, and it didn't show up on the page.[/b]
Why not just read the article then it is right there in the first paragraph, I believe it was? [img]rolleyes.gif" border="0[/img]
When you look at the high rate of such violence, we often think of random attacks by a stranger, but chances are the rapist knows his victim and moves in the same social circle. Often times we forget that these dangerous men are not easily identifiable, they can be fathers, brothers, husbands, teachers, and doctors to name a few. The only thing they have in common is that they are men who rape women.
It is recognized that violence against women is one of the strongest indicators of societal attitude towards women, we must continue to struggle for an effective route for social change.
You have to navigate her site to find the article. It's one of those sites where all the pages have the same homepage url, which is really annoying.
When you look at the high rate of such violence, we often think of random attacks by a stranger, but chances are the rapist knows his victim and moves in the same social circle. Often times we forget that these dangerous men are not easily identifiable, they can be fathers, husbands, doctors,to name a few. The only thing they have in common is that they are men who rape women. These assults are the ones we dont hear much about on the media, we have to break the silence and be willing to expose the perpetrators.
It is recognized that violence against women is one of the strongest indicators of how society on the whole views women, men use this violence to get or keep control of women as a display of power. We must continue to struggle for womens equality and for an effective route for social change.