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Trump: Clinton And Democrats Rigged The Debate Schedule!

Donald Trump raised objections to the general election debate scheduling Friday, saying that it was rigged by the Democrats.

In a late night tweet, Trump voiced his displeasure with the fact that two of the debates are during NFL games. 

 

As usual, Hillary & the Dems are trying to rig the debates so 2 are up against major NFL games. Same as last time w/ Bernie. Unacceptable!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 30, 2016


http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-angry-with-debate-schedule

 

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How is the debate schedule decided?

When is the first presidential debate between Clinton, Trump and what is 2016 TV schedule?

Here's the rundown: 

• The first debate will be on Monday, Sept. 26 at Hofstra University on Long Island.

• Clinton and Trump square off for their second debate on Sunday Oct. 9 at Washington University in St. Louis.

• The final presidential debate will be held Wednesday Oct. 19 at the University of Nevada at Las Vegas.

There will also be one vice presidential debate. 

Trump's running mate, Republican Indiana Gov. Mike Pence and Clinton's vice presidential choice, Democratic U.S. Sen. Tim Kaine of Virginia, will meet at Longwood University, Farmville, Va. on Tuesday Oct. 4.

The debates will last 90 minutes, and each one will begin at at 9 p.m. EST.

All the debates will be broadcast live on C-SPAN, ABC, CBS, FOX and NBC, CNN, Fox News and MSNBC, among others media outlets. The moderators have not yet been announced.


http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/07/trump_clinton_presidential_...

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Trump: Clinton And Democrats Rigged The Debate Schedule!

Donald Trump raised objections to the general election debate scheduling Friday, saying that it was rigged by the Democrats.

In a late night tweet, Trump voiced his displeasure with the fact that two of the debates are during NFL games. 

 

As usual, Hillary & the Dems are trying to rig the debates so 2 are up against major NFL games. Same as last time w/ Bernie. Unacceptable!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 30, 2016


http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-angry-with-debate-schedule

 

Debates were scheduled in September 2015

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Trump will say anything no matter how outrageous to keep his name in the nedia

The key to defeating him is getting out the vote and these recent court decisions against voter suppression should help

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Trump will show up for the debates.
What he is trying to do here is set himself to be the underdog and at the actual debates people will have such low expectations for him that just showing up will win him brownie points.

Mr. Magoo

To be fair, if the Democrats wish he would go away, AND the Republicans wish he would go away, then he kind of actually IS the underdog.  And it's not really his fault that that only helps him.

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What per cent of voters are actually white males because not sure he has the black Hispanic female gay Asian Muslim vote locked up?

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Donald Trump won't dodge the debates. He has more to gain and, like a certain Canadian politician, all he has to do is show up with his pants on.

But more importantly, political debates are not won by facts, ideas, and sources, but by emotions, impressions, and (philosophically speaking) bullshit (From a philosophical POV, bullshit is where a person says something which may or may not be true, they don't know if it's true and they don't care, and this allows them to say it very convincingly). This plays to Donald Trump's strengths.

There is more than enough dirt on Hillary for Trump to fill 90 minutes. Every time she goes after him he will tie it back to something she's done that's worse.

David Duke? -> Deflect to Robert Byrd.

Misc. Racism? -> Super predators/three strikes bill

Misc. Sexism? -> Wage gap at Clinton Foundation, Clinton's comments/actions towards Bill Clinton's victims/accusers (take your pick)

Misc. Homophobia? -> VIP seating for Orlando Shooter's dad

Misc. Class based attacks "eg. How can a billionaire understand the plight of working class people you're just pandering" -> "Dead broke," Clinton Foundation money laundering, her work to prevent minimum wage in Haiti becoming 61c/hr (instead only 31c/hr)

Nuclear codes? -> Hillary Clinton's comments on Iran/foreign policy history WRT benghazi, libya, etc.

Etc.

If Hillary attempts to take the high road she will still be vulnerable, because she has vulnerabilities on most topics (such as above). Even if she doesn't say "you can't trust Trump with the nuke codes," foreign policy is still going to come up and when it does Benghazi will come up. Libya will come up. Etc.

Trump has an inherent advantage this election in that he is clearly the anti-establishment candidate, and the establishment is not working for most ordinary (working class) Americans. All he has to do is convince enough people that Hillary is at least as bad as he is, and he will win by default. Trump has already been so battered by the media that people's opinion of him won't get worse. Every misstep, no matter how minor or irrelevant (Melania wears white dress, Melania plaigarizes some of Michelle Obama's speech) people already know about. Clinton has so many skeletons in her closet with actual consequences to human life that she can't possibly defend them all.

Basically, the debates are going to be a platform for Trump to drag Hillary through the mud in the exact same way the media has been dragging him through the mud for the last 6+ months. There is plenty of material there, he won't run out of content. The facts don't matter. The policy doesn't matter. The perception matters, and Trump is exceptionally better at managing perception than Hillary is. Expect Trump to mention the MSM bias several times each debate, and expect people to see far more evidence of that bias in the reporting on the debate. As with Trump's acceptance speech, expect the entire MSM and all the pundits to use the exact same languange about how scary Trump is and how he had a terrible performance with no substance, just attacking Clinton, while all the polls of people who actually watched the debates will say Trump wins overwhelmingly. Further pushing the corrupt MSM narrative, and if Trump's right about that, what else is he right about...? What else have they said about him that wasn't true...? These doubts will outright convert only a few of his detractors, but will weaken the resolve of many more.

I probably won't say too much more about this, at least until the debates take place, but for the above reasons I would be stunned - absolutely stunned - if Trump misses any debates with Clinton.

Trump can only win against Clinton though, so if her health continues to deteriorate and Trump has to debate someone else, he needs to find an excuse to dodge or his election is over (although it probably would be anyway vs anyone will less unfavourables than Clinton).

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NP, you forgot disabled people, veterans, NSA, journalists, and republicans.

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Hard to believe they have given the freaks at Fox News participation but that is the USA for you

http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/09/commission-sets-dates-for...

Mr. Magoo

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Hard to believe they have given the freaks at Fox News participation but that is the USA for you

1.  Why, specifically, shouldn't they?

2.  Is this worse than if Fox was "censored" or "shut out" or "denied"?  At least we'll be spared a whole lot of tiring Tea Party chin music.

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NorthReport wrote:

Trump: Clinton And Democrats Rigged The Debate Schedule!

 

As usual, Hillary & the Dems are trying to rig the debates so 2 are up against major NFL games.

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 30, 2016


 

Whats the advantage or disadvantage of having the debate scheduled at the same time as an NFL game?

Sean in Ottawa

jambo101 wrote:

NorthReport wrote:

Trump: Clinton And Democrats Rigged The Debate Schedule!

 

As usual, Hillary & the Dems are trying to rig the debates so 2 are up against major NFL games.

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 30, 2016


 

Whats the advantage or disadvantage of having the debate scheduled at the same time as an NFL game?

I think you may be presuming a requirement for logic where there is none.

But perhaps the idea is that Republicans are more into football than Democrats.

Or that Trump thinks he can lay a beat down on Hillary that would make all who watch want to vote for him.

Of course watching those two may convince people to do something more enjoyable on voting day than give either a vote.

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Sean in Ottawa wrote:

Of course watching those two may convince people to do something more enjoyable on voting day than give either a vote.

This scenario would definitely favour the Republicans. As we have seen so often in mid-term congressional elections, Democrats are much more easily discouraged from voting than Republicans. Anything that lowers the level of participation in the election favours the party with the more motivated base, which is always the Republicans.

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Johnson won't be participating in the debate and waste of time Stein is not even worth commenting on.

Johnson's debate prospects dim

Gary Johnson’s hopes of earning an invitation to the Sept. 26 debate are all but extinguished.

 

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/gary-johnson-polls-228167

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My hunch is that Trump is going to exceed expectations.

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It should be entertaining if nothing else
Trump the Chump of course now realizes he was suckered into running by Bill Clinton so expect the Chump to be flailing about in all directions The Chump no matter how big his ego must realize that it's over for his political aspirations now and will be out for revenge

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/clinton-team-girds-for-all-out-ass...

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'Ohio Uncommitted Voters Weigh in on Debate'

http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=55635

Viral video: Hot mike catches CNN anchor coaching debate voters what to say

 

The best line of the night!

https://twitter.com/LionelMedia/status/78529571675539865

bekayne

NDPP wrote:

The best line of the night!

Sorry, that page doesn’t exist!

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So will Trump the Chump keep his debate performance record intact tonite and make it 3 out of 3 FAIL 

Republicans undercut Trump ahead of final debate

Trump's campaign manager rules out the idea of widespread voter fraud, while Newt Gingrich advises him to grow a thicker skin.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/republicans-undercut-trump-debate-2016-229990#ixzz4NZBP7NxR 

 

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Podesta: Trump's campaign manager 'threw him under the bus'

now he’s running around saying it’s rigged, even as his own campaign manager threw him under the bus this morning and said that, you know, she didn’t think there’d be much voter fraud in this election and virtually every Republican Party official has said there wouldn’t be,” Podesta told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer.

Indeed, Conway acknowledged Wednesday morning during an interview on MSNBC that she doesn’t believe the election is rigged.

“No, I do not believe" that there will be widespread voter fraud in the election, she said. “So absent overwhelming evidence that there is, it would not be for me to say that there is.”

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/podesta-kellyanne-conway-threw-tru...

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So was Obama's brother there tonite?

 

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Looks like the Chump kept his record intact tonite.

Trump cuts in 67 times during debate

Clinton spoke more during Wednesday's debate, but Trump interrupted many more times.

 

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/clinton-trump-debate-talk-time-230...

6079_Smith_W

Great read.

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It is easy, now, to assume her victory was assured, to read Trump’s collapse as inevitable. But remember that he triumphed over a talented, 17-person Republican field in debate after debate to win the primary — one-on-one contests are unique, it’s true, but there was no particular reason to think Trump couldn’t use his bullying, blustering showmanship to take over the stage and expose Clinton as inauthentic and out of touch. The reason he didn’t is because she never let him.

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/10/19/13340828/hillary-clint...

 

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So it took a woman to crush the Chump, eh!

Rev Pesky

From the Vox.com story posted above:

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...But remember that he triumphed over a talented, 17-person Republican field in debate after debate to win the primary...

Really? What talented field is the writer talking about? Ben Carson? Ted Cruz? Jeb Bush?

Truth is, the Republican Party has been taken over by the lunatic fringe Tea Party, and the reason Trump won the nomination is that he didn't even try to satisfy old line Republicans, knowing full well they had left the field. The Tea Party types are the most committed, and that's where Trump focused his attention.

Unfortunately for him, while Tea Party types are a majority in the Republican Party, they are not a majority in the broader population. His only hope of winning was having Democrats so disgusted with Clinton that they stayed away from the polls on election day. He might have been able to accomplish that if he had kept his mouth shut.

I believe the Republicans have reached the end of the road. The party that had Abraham Lincoln and Dwight Eisenhower as past presidents, will now forever be remembered as the party that nominated Donald Trump to run for the presidency. Where do they go from here?

 

 

6079_Smith_W

I think the point is that Trump dominated those debates, and none of those candidates was able to effectively challenge him or make him blow a gasket, as Clinton did.

Part of it of course, is that those other candidates were probably too scared to do anything, but regardless, I don't see that any of them have the skill that she displayed.

As for the broader population, considering that she isn't 10 points ahead of him, I'm not sure they are all that different, given all that Trump has said and done, and given his lack of experience. And I think that difference goes way beyond the fact she is also disliked in many ways, and for good reasons.

There is simply no comparision between the two, and even so it was not a sure thing that she was going to win.

 

 

6079_Smith_W

As for the different tactics she used in this last debate:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/20/us/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-tru...

Rev Pesky

6079_Smith_W wrote:
I think the point is that Trump dominated those debates, and none of those candidates was able to effectively challenge him or make him blow a gasket, as Clinton did. 

My argument was merely that the field Trump faced was not 'talented', and this statement of yours appears to suppport that.

6079_Smith_W

Certainly not so skilled as her (which is the point of the article), but senators and governors nevertheless. Almost any of them would made a better candidate than him. Yet onstage he was able to bully and dominate the lot of them.

The bottom line is do you honestly consider him smarter and more capable? And if not, why weren't they able to do what she did?

 

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Something Clinton really did right last night: Her position, passionately defended, on a woman's right to reproductive autonomy. It is incredibly rare for an American politician to defend Roe V Wade and to pledge support on abortion. (I was also shouting at Chris Wallace over the "partial birth abortion" bullshit - there is NO SUCH THING.) Whatever you think of her other positions, this one right here is why we need more female voices in politics.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2016/10/19/hillary_clinton_s_debate...

 

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They were all members of the same party. Aside from NAFTA and TPP, which set Trump apart from the rest of the crowd, they all shared the same views and values. Also, many of them were hoping to be his VP pick, so that many of them did not want to challenge him or offend him in any way. The primaries is all about jostling to sift out the alpha candidate and then maneuvering yourself and your political career around the new leader for your own political survival and future brownie points. Trump proved early on that he was dominant. Some of the other Republican candidates lacked the moxy to take Trump on, Jeb Bush being a prime example. Some did not have the ideas to differentiate themselves enough from Trump, the majority of the pack. Ted Cruz used the religious card and failed. And some, who had the moxy and political know how, backed out to further their own ambitions through Trump with Christie being a prime example.

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Chris Wallace is from Fox News. That is about as good as you can expect. I was actually expecting worse from the moderating considering Fox is so right wing. I was really surprised to watch Wallace challenge Trump on some of his positions. But yes, it was refreshing to watch Hillary Clinton make such a strong and well articulated stand. It is very rare in the United States to see such commitment from a political leader.

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TOPSHOT - Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump (C) walks off the stage surrounded his wife Melania Trump (L), his son Donald Jr (R) and other memebers of his family after the final presidential debate at the Thomas & Mack Center on the campus of the University of Las Vegas in Las Vegas, Nevada on October 19, 2016. / AFP / Robyn Beck        (Photo credit should read ROBYN BECK/AFP/Getty Images)

Timebandit Timebandit's picture

I found this interesting. (Can't figure out how to copy/paste the gif, sharing link instead.)

https://twitter.com/TheFix/status/789090575249125376

 

Rev Pesky

6079_Smith_W wrote:
...The bottom line is do you honestly consider him smarter and more capable? And if not, why weren't they able to do what she did?

One more time for the hard of learning. I did not say, or imply, that Trump was smarter of more capable than the other candidates. I argued with the writer's statement that the field of Republican candidates was 'talented'. They weren't talented. They were of a bunch of losers.

I believe the writer of the article was trying to make Trump seem smarter and more capable than he really is by presenting him as having won out over a 'talented' field of candidates. That is the specific statement my argument was about.

Just to make it clear, if, in fact, there had been a 'talented' performer in that group, he or she would now probably be the nominee.

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