2019 UK election

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nicky

Poll of Portsmouth South constituency, via @Survation, 28-29 October (changes since GE17):

LD: 30% (+13)
CON: 27% (-14)
LAB: 24% (-17)
BXP: 14% (+14)
OTH: 6% (+2)

Portsmouth South was won by Labour in 2017.

NDPP

George Galloway - The Mother of All Talkshows - Episode 20 (and vid)

https://twitter.com/georgegalloway/status/1191065272968335360

PREDICTION: 'Not one Labour MP will be deselected. GG says the Labour party in its current form will be returned on Dec 13th. Is he right?

JKR

If current opinion polls are correct, the voters may be the ones who end up deselecting a lot of Labour MP's. I'm not sure which side of Labour's civil war would end up in relatively better shape to pick up the pieces of the party that are still standing after such an election. In any event, this election looks like it will be by far the most unpredictable UK election in well over a century.

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

(this was meant as a response to nicky, to clarify) You're forgetting the fact that, unless the PLP did the rational thing and promised to accept Corbyn being replaced by a Corbynite-even you would have to concede the overwhelming majority of the Labour base supports Corbyn's policies and that there is no widespread wish to go back to Blairism or whatever nothingness Kinnock still stood for by 1992 after he'd abandoned all his core values-the Labour base would never accept whoever it was the PLP imposed.  Since the Labour base justifiably distrusts all "moderates", no "moderate" could ever offer a convincing set of policies that would make anyone think it was worth trying to work for that person.

If Corbyn is unpopular, it is because of four years of lies.  He is still the first decent human being to have led the party since the Eighties.  None of the people the PLP have wanted were decent or honest on a personal level.  Owen Smith proved he had no personal decency by working as a lobbyist for Pfizer, a corporation that wants to destroy the NHS.

And there was no magic in Keir Starmer.  If he was a socialist, Corbyn's supporters-the majority of the party- would have been fine with him becoming the leader.  It was the same with Thornberry.  The fact that Corbyn's supporters couldn't have accepted them proves that neither of them has any measurable socialist convictions.

In the case of Corbyn being hit by a bus, there would be a process for choosing simply an interim leader to get the party through the campaign.  No one would work from the assumption that that leader would become prime minister and there would be a new leadership election in which there would be a guarantee that an actual socialist would be on the leadership ballot as soon as the election was over.

The PLP would never have accepted that in exchange for Corby standing down.  They'd have insisted on blocking everyone but "moderates" from the next leadership ballot and they would have taken a Labour victory under a leader imposed by illegitimate means like that as proof that the party had repudiated the left and restored Blairism as the official dogma for the rest of eternity, even though they would have had no justification for making such a claim. 

in doing that, they would guarantee the destruction of Labour as a party within a few years, and its replacement by a genuine democratic socialist alternative supporting the transformative policies the Labour base supports and no one in the party other than the PLP opposes.

We know this will happen, because the overwhelming majority of the Labour base would desert the party-we already know that if Labour did form government on those terms, it would simply continue the Tory cuts in benefits and the barbaric benefits sanction policy, policies you have never condemned in any of our discussion just as you have never condemned the decision by the majority of the PLP to abstain on Tory cuts rather than voting against them- there's no difference between abstaining on benefit cuts and supporting benefit cuts, for God's sakes, and no MP who abstained on those cuts could ever be capable of supporting any policies on poverty after that which could possibly be humane or compassionate-would send MORE UK troops to the unwinnable wars in the Arab/Muslim world-this time, they'd probably be used to put down the popular uprising against the repressive sham of a current Iraqi government-and would not only stay in the EU but oppose any efforts to end the EU's perpetual austerity policies.

In other words, the sort of "Labour" government you and the antisocialist PLP would bring in could never be anything but a tragic repeat of the Callaghan years, years in which the supposed Labour government stood for nothing but austerity and Cold War militarism, years in which there were not any significant gains for the poor in benefits or conditions, and, worse than that, not even what every Labour government is supposed to feel a moral obligation to guarantee-NO LOST GROUND.

Why do you even trust the PLP, nicky?  All they've done for the last four years is sabotage their own leader and try to kick most paid Labour members and supporters out of the party.  There's no greater good that can come from making Labour non-socialist and smaller in membership again-all that can do is take the party back to the dead zone it was in going into the 2010 election.  And there's no greater good that could ever have come of spending the whole time obsessing on the EU issue while preventing the leader from talking about the popular policies that leader and the majority of the party back on all other issues.

The PLP cares more about keeping the useless, pointless Trident missiles than they do about ending austerity.

They care more about staying in the EU-knowing that EU policies can almost never be changed-than they do about reversing the savage Tory cuts in benefits-worst of all they think a Labour government still has the right to claim to be Labour if it DOESN'T reverse those cuts and if it doesn't end the indefensibly brutal benefits sanctions policies.

And quite frankly, it seems as if they would rather have The Troubles back in Northern Ireland rather than admit that Corbyn was right to acknowledge that the Catholic minority in NI have legitimate grievances about their treatment and that, if Britain wants everyone in that minority to stop backing armed struggle as a resistance tactic, it needs to create a democratic structure for those people to work for change and that there was never going to be any way to either create that structure or end the violence without including Sinn Fein, the party the overwhelming majority of Catholic voters in the North supported by the late 1980s, in a power-sharing government.  It's clear that neither Corbyn's position on this OR his earlier support for a United Ireland-something that's inevitably going to happen at some point-ever equated to support for the IRA.

There has simply been no excuse for the way the PLP has played it.  If it was simply that they couldn't handle Corbyn as an individual-cynics, liars, and those who have sold their souls in the name of personal power and personal privilege usually don't feel comfortable around decent human beings-they could have done as I advised:  agreed that a Corbynite would be on the leadership ballot to replace the man and that the Corbyn program would be the program Labour fought this election on no matter what.  Why the hell wouldn't they do that, nicky?  Why would they not give up on fighting for a Blairite restoration and a Blairite electoral program chosen only by themselves when they knew that neither of those things had popular support within the party?

And what could Corbyn possibly do as PM that could be worse, in any universe, than the nightmare we all know Boris will visit upon the UK if he gets a majority?

Is your irrational hatred of Corbyn really more important to you than preventing THAT?

Or is all of this what The Guardian, a paper whose hostility to Labour's policies and its leader marks it as a publication which is as far to the right as it pretends to be to the "center-left"-pays you to write? 

 

 

 

epaulo13 epaulo13's picture

..there is a lot in this piece by corbyn. this quote is my favourite. 

British Labour: The Future is Ours to Make, Together

After three long years of Brexit division and failure from the Tories, we have to get this issue sorted. We need to take it out of the hands of the politicians and trust the people to have the final say.

josh

I thought they already did.

NDPP

The only problem is it's a bold-faced lie.

https://twitter.com/BBCLookNorth/status/862292802708832260

The 'division and failure' was a conscious collective political strategy by Tories, Lib-Dems and Labour who don't 'trust the people' but betray them. The 'final say' was already given by a decisive majority vote. The politicians capitulated to EU neoliberalism instead of democracy.  And will again until they win. And each treacherous and  deceitful sabotage of the people's will sneered and cheered  by the same surrender monkeys, dupes and useful EU flag-flying idiots as last time.

 

Pondering

I don't agree with Ken on the Guardian but I agree with a lot of what he says or at least his general drift. We differ on degree and how to promote but this is the time for the left to be as bold as the right has been. People are ready for a message of genuine hope. People are more than ready for a new deal and for the argument for collective well-being. 

NDPP

In truth it's mostly a Labour UK fanclub more prone to cheering than analysis. Ready to ignore or deny all lies, faults or contradictions. Believing only the good, dismissing all the oh-so obvious shortcomings. As with the NDP it seems it matters little how many times they fail, have bad leaders or betray promises, the same bums will be in the same seats season after losing season waving the same team colours, roaring in blind adoration and false hope against all odds.

Labour's latest manifesto mostly isn't even possible under present EU rules and regulations. But of course it's only campaign promises and so nobody really expects or requires they'll be fulfilled. We all know the drill and have been here before. Never fear, no matter what - win, lose or screwed over again - they'll be back. Because, as many a social-democrat strategist has noted: 'They have nowhere else to go.'

 

The Single Market Isn't Working - Why Doesn't the Left Understand This?

https://briefingsforbrexit.com/the-single-market-isnt-working-why-doesnt...

"...In fact, the European Union favours capital over labour. Local authorities must out-source contracts to EU firms offering lower prices than local firms. Employees in one member-state are prevented from picketing or striking in protest against the use of imported cheaper workers. Doug Nicholls of the General Federation of Trade Unions, says: 'EU membership has embedded the neoliberal capitalist agenda in constitutional form.'Professor May Davis, of Holloway University of London discusses 'The Chimera of Workers' Rights in the EU.' She concludes: 'The EU has systematically undermined the collective rights of workers and their trade unions, while at the same time offering minimal protections. It therefore remains surprising and perplexing that trade unions should still place their hopes on a chimera.

Evans-Pritchard also quotes Labour MP Graham Stringer who wants to know why his party is so willing to subcontract its raison d'etre to the EU: 'The basis of wanting to be a country independent of EU regulations is that we can make decisions ourselves. The Tories may well change the rights of workers, but at least we will have the possibility as a Labour Party and trade union movement to put those back, as we have done before. When those rights go in the EU, they are gone for good. As the title of Ambrose Evans-Pritchard's column makes clear: 'Mr Corbyn, the only way to safeguard worker rights in Britain is total escape from EU law."

But we can always pretend otherwise...

nicky

North East Somerset Westminster voting intention:

 

CON: 44% (-10)

LDEM: 28% (+20)

LAB: 14% (-20)

BREX: 7% (+7)

GRN: 3% (+1)

 

via @Survation, 16 - 17 Oct

Chgs. w/ 2017 result

this is the fourth Survation constituency poll, all of which have shown Labour dropping precipitously.

Survation of course was the most accurate poll in 2017

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

nicky wrote:

North East Somerset Westminster voting intention:

 

CON: 44% (-10)

LDEM: 28% (+20)

LAB: 14% (-20)

BREX: 7% (+7)

GRN: 3% (+1)

 

via @Survation, 16 - 17 Oct

Chgs. w/ 2017 result

this is the fourth Survation constituency poll, all of which have shown Labour dropping precipitously.

Survation of course was the most accurate poll in 2017

Please stop.  There is no good reason for you to be doing this.  

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

We all know no good would come of abandoning socialism and backing Remain.  The EU benefits no one but the rich and the white.

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

NDPP wrote:

In truth it's mostly a Labour UK fanclub more prone to cheering than analysis. Ready to ignore or deny all lies, faults or contradictions. Believing only the good, dismissing all the oh-so obvious shortcomings. As with the NDP it seems it matters little how many times they fail, have bad leaders or betray promises, the same bums will be in the same seats season after losing season waving the same team colours, roaring in blind adoration and false hope against all odds.

Labour's latest manifesto mostly isn't even possible under present EU rules and regulations. But of course it's only campaign promises and so nobody really expects or requires they'll be fulfilled. We all know the drill and have been here before. Never fear, no matter what - win, lose or screwed over again - they'll be back. Because, as many a social-democrat strategist has noted: 'They have nowhere else to go.'

 

The Single Market Isn't Working - Why Doesn't the Left Understand This?

https://briefingsforbrexit.com/the-single-market-isnt-working-why-doesnt...

"...In fact, the European Union favours capital over labour. Local authorities must out-source contracts to EU firms offering lower prices than local firms. Employees in one member-state are prevented from picketing or striking in protest against the use of imported cheaper workers. Doug Nicholls of the General Federation of Trade Unions, says: 'EU membership has embedded the neoliberal capitalist agenda in constitutional form.'Professor May Davis, of Holloway University of London discusses 'The Chimera of Workers' Rights in the EU.' She concludes: 'The EU has systematically undermined the collective rights of workers and their trade unions, while at the same time offering minimal protections. It therefore remains surprising and perplexing that trade unions should still place their hopes on a chimera.

Evans-Pritchard also quotes Labour MP Graham Stringer who wants to know why his party is so willing to subcontract its raison d'etre to the EU: 'The basis of wanting to be a country independent of EU regulations is that we can make decisions ourselves. The Tories may well change the rights of workers, but at least we will have the possibility as a Labour Party and trade union movement to put those back, as we have done before. When those rights go in the EU, they are gone for good. As the title of Ambrose Evans-Pritchard's column makes clear: 'Mr Corbyn, the only way to safeguard worker rights in Britain is total escape from EU law."

But we can always pretend otherwise...

It's enough to get out of the economic aspects of the EU.  Without the European Court of Human Rights, the UK will have no human rights.  Those can never be established and protected on a UK-only basis. 

nicky

Please stop what Ken?

pointing out that the vast majority of Britons do not think Corbyn is fit to be PM?

or that he is wrecking Labour' chances of winning an election only Corbyn could lose?

here is the latest Survation constituency poll, which like all the others, shows a collapse in Labour's vot:

South East Cambridgeshire Voting Intention:

CON: 42% (-11)
LDM: 31% (+12)
LAB: 16% (-12)
BXP: 8% (+8)
Others: 4% (+4)

Via @Survation, 25-28 Oct.
Changes w/ GE2017.

bekayne

nicky wrote:

Please stop what Ken?

pointing out that the vast majority of Britons do not think Corbyn is fit to be PM?

or that he is wrecking Labour' chances of winning an election only Corbyn could lose?

here is the latest Survation constituency poll, which like all the others, shows a collapse in Labour's vot:

South East Cambridgeshire Voting Intention:

CON: 42% (-11)
LDM: 31% (+12)
LAB: 16% (-12)
BXP: 8% (+8)
Others: 4% (+4)

Via @Survation, 25-28 Oct.
Changes w/ GE2017.

That's the second straight poll of a safe Tory seat.

nicky

In each of the Survation polls Labour has dropped between 1/3 and 1/2 of its 2017 vote.

there is another poll out today with Labour doing very badly in London

bekayne

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/jill-hughes-claims-to-be-from-sirius-1-6356375

A former general election candidate for the Brexit Party has stood down after it emerged that she believes she comes from the star Sirius and that aliens are already working with world governments.

Jill Hughes, who was the party's prospective candidate for Batley and Spen, also believes in "elves/fairies/mermaids/unicorns and all things elemental and otherworldly", and that her horse was reincarnated as another horse.

robbie_dee

Financial Times: "Lib Dems rule out propping up Corbyn-led Labour government," (November 5, 2019)

Quote:

Launching her party’s campaign in central London, Lib Dem leader Jo Swinson said she was “absolutely categorically ruling out” using her party’s votes to help get Mr Corbyn into Downing Street, as he was “not fit for the job of prime minister”.

But Chuka Umunna, a Lib Dem MP who left the Labour party in February, hinted moments later that the party could work with a different Labour leader, or perhaps the Conservatives, to help secure a second EU referendum after the December 12 election.

He told journalists: “The two main parties as currently configured are not fit for office. We are going out to be the biggest party in the House of Commons. It’s up to people to decide what happens after that.”

The Tories are unlikely to agree to a second referendum as the price for getting into government, whereas Labour’s Brexit policy involves trying to renegotiate a fresh deal with Brussels that it would then put to a second referendum.

Senior figures in the Lib Dems admit they will do well to win more than 45 seats in the election, but that Ms Swinson could still play a vital role in British politics. 

***

The situation in December could echo that of 2010, when the election left no party with a majority. The then Lib Dem leader, Nick Clegg, insisted at the time that his Labour counterpart, Gordon Brown, should step down as a precondition of any coalition. The party ended up entering a five-year coalition with the Tories and paid heavily for it in the 2015 election.

(emphasis added above)

If you want to stop Boris Johnson, you must vote for Jeremy Corbyn's Labour Party (or, potentially, the SNP in Scotland). A vote for the Liberals might as well be a vote for the Tories.

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

nicky wrote:

In each of the Survation polls Labour has dropped between 1/3 and 1/2 of its 2017 vote.

there is another poll out today with Labour doing very badly in London

It wouldn't make any difference to replace Corbyn.  And since even you have admitted it's impossible to replace the man before the general election, all you are doing in posting those polls(most of which are two weeks old in their findings)is to work to keep the Tories in power.  It serves no left, or even center-left purpose to keep trying to push for Corbyn's resignation as leader when even you have admitted that can't happen.  Let it go already.  Work to stop the Tories for a change.

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

Labour doesn't have to support the right-wing project of keeping the UK in the EU to be "fit for office".  It's not possible to run a government on non-Tory policies and stay in the EU anyway, so why are you so obsessed with that?  Soft Brexit keeps what's good in terms of ties with Europe and gets out of what's bad.

 

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

And it's utterly obscene that Jo Swinson is willing to work with a different-we can assume she'd only accept a Blairite, IOTW exactly the same as a Tory-Labour leader to get a second referendum after the election when Corbyn's has been pledged to offer a second referendum after the election and would even have given her a second referendum before the election if she'd backed him in his interim government proposal.

Why did it HAVE to be a second referendum while the Tories were still in power or NOTHING?  

Strongly suggests Swindon-the woman who wrote a book telling all the women of Britain that feminism should strictly be a private matter from now on and that her party would do nothing to support feminism, and who voted to force massive tuition and fee increases on the students of Britain-is nothing but a Yellow Tory.  SHE is the one who is unfit for office, as is Chuka Umunna, the person who refers to other human beings as "trash".

 

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

bekayne wrote:

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/jill-hughes-claims-to-be-from-sirius-1-6356375

A former general election candidate for the Brexit Party has stood down after it emerged that she believes she comes from the star Sirius and that aliens are already working with world governments.

Jill Hughes, who was the party's prospective candidate for Batley and Spen, also believes in "elves/fairies/mermaids/unicorns and all things elemental and otherworldly", and that her horse was reincarnated as another horse.

All of that would make a GREAT Party Political Broadcast for the Brexit Party.

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

Labour's leadership issue is settled until polling day-therefore, it should be considered a violation of Babble forum rules for anyone to still be attacking Corbyn.  The only motivation anyone could have for continuing to do so, since it isn't possible to replace a leader during an election campaign, is to give aid and comfort to the Conservative Party.   Now that the UK election campaign underway, now that it's clear that getting totally behind Labour is the only way to work for the defeat of the right in the UK, It can only be right-wing in intent to keep trying to undermine Corbyn.  

JKR

How much influence does Babble have on the UK election?

Aristotleded24

robbie_dee wrote:

Financial Times: "Lib Dems rule out propping up Corbyn-led Labour government," (November 5, 2019)

Quote:

Launching her party’s campaign in central London, Lib Dem leader Jo Swinson said she was “absolutely categorically ruling out” using her party’s votes to help get Mr Corbyn into Downing Street, as he was “not fit for the job of prime minister”.

But Chuka Umunna, a Lib Dem MP who left the Labour party in February, hinted moments later that the party could work with a different Labour leader, or perhaps the Conservatives, to help secure a second EU referendum after the December 12 election.

He told journalists: “The two main parties as currently configured are not fit for office. We are going out to be the biggest party in the House of Commons. It’s up to people to decide what happens after that.”

The Tories are unlikely to agree to a second referendum as the price for getting into government, whereas Labour’s Brexit policy involves trying to renegotiate a fresh deal with Brussels that it would then put to a second referendum.

Senior figures in the Lib Dems admit they will do well to win more than 45 seats in the election, but that Ms Swinson could still play a vital role in British politics. 

***

The situation in December could echo that of 2010, when the election left no party with a majority. The then Lib Dem leader, Nick Clegg, insisted at the time that his Labour counterpart, Gordon Brown, should step down as a precondition of any coalition. The party ended up entering a five-year coalition with the Tories and paid heavily for it in the 2015 election.

(emphasis added above)

If you want to stop Boris Johnson, you must vote for Jeremy Corbyn's Labour Party (or, potentially, the SNP in Scotland). A vote for the Liberals might as well be a vote for the Tories.

It's also tactically stupid for the Liberal Democrats to do that. As I said when Singh explicitly ruled out co-operating with the conservatives, she should be running because she believes she has an alternative to offer that no other party does. She's essentially tipped her hand. On the substance of the issue, the one thing the Liberal Democrats have going for them is they don't want Brexit. Boris Johnson has made it clear that he will proceed with No Deal Brexit. Corbyn has said that he will negotiate another agreement and then put it back to the people. Does she really assume that she can gain any leverage from a Conservative government? If she's that concerned with stopping Brexit, why not run on that and then twist Corbyn's arm into doing her bidding on that issue should he win?

nicky

Ken seems to believe, to my surprise, that vast swathes of British voters are influenced by my posts.

that is why he is now calling for me to be censored.

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

I'm mainly asking for you to just stop on your hate campaign against Corbyn.  Even you admit he can't be removed as leader now, so why the hell can't you just let this go already? 

It's not as if there's any chance of anything you want to see happen occurring as the result of your perseverance in this toxicity.

NDPP

The End of a Final Say on Anything, Ever

https://t.co/zCt1HpqGYb

"Since a snap general election was called, the Labour Party has made a 'final say' on Brexit a key plank of its platform - that is to say, another referendum on Brexit. This policy is presented as aiming to bring finality and closure to Brexit after three years of prevarication and bitterness, removing the issue from a quarrelsome and impotent parliament to return it to the sagacity of the public.

However, far from being the 'final say' on the matter, Labour's proposal would unravel the democratic compact in this country and mean that there would never be a final say on anything in British politics, ever again. A 'final say' referendum is an ingenious piece of political opportunism and meretricious populist sloganeering.

The very language of a 'credible' option betrays the the bad faith of this offer, indicating that the Labour leadership still see the original Brexit vote as incredibly shocking and dangerous. That the Labour Party would contemplate continuing to delay our leaving the EU in favour of yet more negotiations betrays the contempt in whch they hold democracy. A new plebiscite on Brexit would not only further erode representative democracy, it would also snap the link between the taking of a democratic decision and its enactment.

It is the enactment of a decision that ensures that democracy has force and meaning. Without this link, national votes would become mere opinion polls rather than acts of meaninful democratic choice. What is more, by offering the public the choice to Remain after this option was already rejected in 2016, the Labour Party is forging the weapons for the rich and powerful in the class wars of the future. With a 'final say' referendum the Labour Party is inviting civil servants, employers, industrialists' associations, CEOs, bankers, lawyers, financiers, academics, op-ed columnists to resist any future democratic decision that is not to their taste.

Whenever these groups confront a democratic decision in future, they will know that as long as they are able to mobilise their powers of recalcitrance, resistance, slander, scorn and subversion, they will be able to halt, erode and entirely dissolve any national vote that they oppose. In such circumstances why would anyone feel the need to be bound by any democratic decision ever again..?"

nicky

Why should Corbyn be immune from criticism Ken?

Especially when he is destroying any chance Labour had of ousting the Cons?

You have endlessly repeated that I should accept that there is no way of replacing Corbyn before the election. Well this is a situation of his own doing. A responsible or realistic leader would have accepted how unacceptable he is to 80% of the voters and step aside.

My hope is that Labour is not destroyed by Corbyn and that it has sufficient strength to rise again.

it looks at the moment that Corbyn has assured Johnson a majority. The best hope for Britain may be to keep him to a minority. Then the SNP and Lib Dems might support a Labour government on condition that Corbyn is replaced by a leader whom the vast majority of voters do not believe is unfit to be PM.

What I fear is that Corbyn despite an ignominious defeat will cling to the leadership and make Labour irrelevant for the foreseeable future.

 

NDPP

Jean-Claude ['The Drunk'] Juncker: UK Will Leave EU by 31 January

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-politics-50309785/jean-claude-juncker-uk-...

"...He told BBC Europe Editor Katya Adler that Brexit is 'a too-long story that has to be brought to an end.' On Prime Minister Boris Johnson's claim that he will negotiate a trade deal with the EU before the end of December 2020, Mr Juncker said some UK MPs think negotiating a [sellout] deal will be easy but discussions with Canada 'took years'. And he said he did not think that Labour's pledge to renegotiate the withdrawal agreement if it wins a majority in the general election was a realistic approach..."

 

Remoaners Are Losing Their Grip on Reality

https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/11/05/remoaners-are-losing-their-grip...

"...The whole Brexit castastrophe, like Donald Trump's Manchurian presidency, is part of a Russian conspiracy. Just listen to them: shadow foreign secretary Emily Thornberry [UK Labour] has already written a letter to Dominic Raab, the UK foreign secretary, demanding to know if Cummings has been properly vetted by the UK security services..."

When all else fails, try Russophobia. How low will Labour go?

NDPP

Labour - The Party of Russia-Gate

https://twitter.com/Partizan_STK/status/1191703781374857216

"Great stuff. Now they're officially peddling a discredited conspiracy theory which is used in the USA to attack anyone questioning imperial foreign policy. Does Labour have a leader? Does he agree with this shit? Or is he just a figurehead?"

nicky

More terrible leader ratings for Corbyn from Ipsos-MORI. A huge 75% of voters dissatisfied with him and just 15% satisfied. Johnson up sharply from last month

View image on Twitter

josh

“They pretend that their hatred is directed only at certain billionaires — and they point their fingers at individuals with a relish and a vindictiveness not seen since Stalin persecuted the kulaks,” Johnson wrote, according to Reuters.

https://thehill.com/policy/international/europe/469185-uks-boris-johnson-likens-rival-to-stalin

josh

The national executive committee (NEC) ruled that the three former Labour MPs would not be able to stand as candidates for Jeremy Corbyn’s party in the December poll.

Williamson, who represents Derby North, was suspended from the party in February after he claimed that Labour had been “too apologetic” in response to criticism of its handling of antisemitism allegations.

He was readmitted to the party and issued with a formal warning following a hearing of an NEC antisemitism panel in June – prompting an outcry from MPs, peers and Jewish groups.

But he was suspended again in July after a second panel reviewed the decision to reinstate him and found it “cannot safely stand”.

Williamson a martyr to the smear campaign against Labour. 

epaulo13 epaulo13's picture

..this might prove to be a catalyst.

We’re Striking to Save Britain’s Universities

The wave of strikes in the American education system hasn’t just influenced US politics — it’s changed the agenda internationally. The news of action taken by teachers, most recently in Chicago, highlighted the deplorable conditions in the education system. But it’s also shown the power of organized labor — an example now being taken up by educators in the United Kingdom.

After a ballot result announced last week, on Tuesday, November 5, the University and College Union (UCU) called an eight-day strike in higher-education institutions across Britain, from November 25 to December 4. The strike will bring the privatization and neoliberalization of education back to the heart of discussions in the academic community — as well as the failure to keep wages and working conditions adequate to the realities of Britain in 2019.....

JKR

NDPP wrote:

The End of a Final Say on Anything, Ever

The Brexit referendum shows that the question being asked in a referendum should be the exact piece of legislation that the House of Commons will have to pass in order to inact the voters wishes. No one ever voted for whatever deal Boris Johnson will likely end up making with the EU right after the election. Unfortunately this election won't indicate how the voters feel about the deal Boris and the EU will agree to before February. Hopefully the Conservatives don't win a majority and the people of the UK are allowed to decide the issue.

 

epaulo13 epaulo13's picture

 

You lot liked our last street party so much, we thought we’d do another one. Except this time - on Boris’ doorstep Nov 16th / 1-6pm // parade thru Uxbridge

josh
nicky

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

josh wrote:

Tom Watson not running.

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-2019-50325666

 

He's done with his task-all he ever deputy leader was to sabotage the leader-and therefore sabotage the party.

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

nicky wrote:

Why should Corbyn be immune from criticism Ken?

Especially when he is destroying any chance Labour had of ousting the Cons?

You have endlessly repeated that I should accept that there is no way of replacing Corbyn before the election. Well this is a situation of his own doing. A responsible or realistic leader would have accepted how unacceptable he is to 80% of the voters and step aside.

My hope is that Labour is not destroyed by Corbyn and that it has sufficient strength to rise again.

it looks at the moment that Corbyn has assured Johnson a majority. The best hope for Britain may be to keep him to a minority. Then the SNP and Lib Dems might support a Labour government on condition that Corbyn is replaced by a leader whom the vast majority of voters do not believe is unfit to be PM.

What I fear is that Corbyn despite an ignominious defeat will cling to the leadership and make Labour irrelevant for the foreseeable future.

 

You care more about destroying Corbyn than about beating the Tories.  And none of the right-wing figures you wanted in the leadership would either be doing any better or be fighting FOR anything.  Labour would be doing even worse if it had anther Blairite militarist as leader.

Since you've admitted that Corbyn couldn't be replaced, you have admitted you have no justification to continue to attack the guy.  

 

bekayne

nicky wrote:

As goes Esher and Walton, so goes the Nation.

josh

UK (GB): Liberal Democrats (RE), Green Party (G/EFA) and Plaid Cymru (G/EFA) have reached an agreement to stand aside for each other in 49 constituencies in England and 11 in Wales. The three parties will present one pro-remain candidate per constituency

nicky

You’re right Bekayne. We can’t read two much into a single constituency poll.

But here is another one out from Survation this morning, showing like the other six, that Labour is consistently losing about half its previous vote.

Wokingham, constituency voting intention:

 

CON: 42% (-15)

LDEM: 38% (+22)

LAB: 12% (-13)

BREX: 5% (+5)

GRN: 3% (+1)

 

via @Survation, 01 - 04 Nov

Chgs. w/ GE2017 result

nicky

 

Same story:

South Cambridgeshire, constituency voting intention:

 

LDEM: 40% (+21)

CON: 36% (-16)

LAB: 12% (-15)

BREX: 7% (+7)

GRN: 4% (+2)

 

via @Survation, 04 - 05 Nov

Chgs. w/ GE2017 result

NDPP

'Remain is Not an Option - Remain Lost'

https://twitter.com/DemocracyintheUK/status/1191841799612096513

"No second referendum on Brexit with Remain on the ballot paper would be legitimate without the result of the first one being implemented. This is ABC for democracy."

josh

Downing Street is suspected of suppressing a parliamentary report into Russian interference because it contains “embarrassing” disclosures about the Kremlin links of wealthy Russian donors to the Conservative Party, sources have told The Times.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/no-10-fears-embarrassment-of-report-into-russian-influence-qknm85j82

bekayne

nicky wrote:

In each of the Survation polls Labour has dropped between 1/3 and 1/2 of its 2017 vote.

The Survation constituency polls are being paid for by...the Liberal Democrats.

nicky

Survation was also the poll that came closest in the 2017 election. It was the only one to peg the Labour vote accurately.

In predicting 35 to 50 % drops in Labour's vote in seven scatered costituencies it mirrors most national polls that show Labour falling from 40 to 25%

josh

bekayne wrote:

nicky wrote:

In each of the Survation polls Labour has dropped between 1/3 and 1/2 of its 2017 vote.

The Survation constituency polls are being paid for by...the Liberal Democrats.

That would explain a lot.

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