2019 UK election

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Ken, did you see Andrew Neil's interview with JC and if so how can you pretend JC is remotely qualifued to be PM?


Andrew Neil?  You mean the guy Rupert Murdoch appointed to be the editor of the Sunday Times.  And who used to work for the Conservative party.

They've apologized time after time even though there was no need for them to do so.  But it's never enough because once you give into a smear, it just encourages the smear merchants to keep smearing.  But as I've said many times, if Corbyn became an unconditional supporter of Israel, the smears would disappear overnight.  Because this is about a Israel and the Palestinians, not anti-Semitism.

Ken Burch

josh wrote:

Andrew Neil?  You mean the guy Rupert Murdoch appointed to be the editor of the Sunday Times.  And who used to work for the Conservative party.

They've apologized time after time even though there was no need for them to do so.  But it's never enough because once you give into a smear, it just encourages the smear merchants to keep smearing.  But as I've said many times, if Corbyn became an unconditional supporter of Israel, the smears would disappear overnight.  Because this is about a Israel and the Palestinians, not anti-Semitism.

Precisely.  That's all this smear has ever been about, from the beginning.


So what about Corbyn’s sheer ignorance on a range of topics covereD in Neil’s interview? Like saying that issuing more government bonds would not increase the government’s debt? Something any child knows is nonsense.

no wonder Corbyn is leading Labour over a cliff.

Ken Burch

Another Tory/Blairite smear disproved:  Corbyn was never soft on Iran:

"On 59 occasions, Jeremy Corbyn condemned Iran over the last 30 years for their treatment of Jewish people, women, the LGBT community, Trade Unionists and Kurds".


Ken Burch

nicky, if you are still attacking Corbyn, you are campaigning for the Tories.  This is a progressive talkboard and it's never acceptable, on a progressive talkboard, to try to reduce the vote share for a progressive party in any country's election.  Since you know, and have actually admitted, that it's impossible for Labour to change leaders once an election campaign has started, the only possible intrepretation anyone else could make of your continued attacks on Labour's leader is that you want the Tories to win, just as Jo Swinson and Chuka Umunna and everyone in the remnants of Change UK wants.



So much mendacity in such a short post by you Ken.

1. I am not campaigning for the Tories. I doubt there are any British voters who are influenced in the least by what you or I say on Babble. I suspect you will eventually attribute Corbyn’s defeat to me supposedly undermining him. Anything but to accept that Corbyn is in the least at fault.

2. It is not acceptable on a progressive blog to advocate for the reduction of votes for any progressive party??? You sound like Stalin denouncing deviationism. Who appointed you the Babble censor? Many on Babble, myself included, debated whether progressives shd vote NDP or Green. I guess by your lights we should all be banned because we all advocated for one party’s vote should be reduced to the benefit of the other.

3. Perhaps you can point to any post in which I have advocated anyone not voting Labour? There is a big difference between warning that Labour under Corbyn is on an electorally suicidal path and advocating not voting for the party. My hope is that Labour remains a challenger for power and is not crippled by Corbyn.

4.  I want the Tories to win??? If anyone wants the Tories to win it is the Corbynistas who have saddled Labour with such a ridiculous unelectable leader. My preferred outcome is a hung Parliament ( you must surely concede that a Labour majority is unlikely) in which the SNP , the LDs, the Plaid and the Greens support a Labour government on condition it is led by a PM who is fit to be PM.

5, 6, 7, ..... etc, etc, etc.


Back To The Future: On the British Liberal Left's Return to its Origins


"Fantastic article by Professor Steve Hall on the liberal degeneration of the British Left: 'Research reveals the drift of former Labour voters towards the right. Many more who still vote Labour hold a centre-right position that supports the failing neoliberal project, and given Labour's commitment to Remain, others have grudgingly thrown their support behind Tories. Taken together, the political groups that span the spectrum from centre-right to far right, when combined with understandably cynical non-voters, constitute in key constituencies a powerful force that is likely to prevent a Corbyn-led Labour from achieving an overall majority..."


"How many times did Lexiteers warn that Labour cannot win GE2019 vote without winning Leave seats? Metropolitan liberal left Remainers headed up by Blair, McDonnell, Starmer, Thornberry, Jones, Sarkar and Mason will lose Labour GE 2019 vote."




Manifesto Subject to EU Approval


"The barriers to Labour's radical policies in EU law are so great that the party should have two different manifestos: one for if we leave the EU, one if we don't..."

But not a problem if these are only campaign promises designed to get them elected not to implement.

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Record number of people registered to vote on deadline day

A record number of people – 659,666 – registered to vote in a single day ahead of the general election next month, as electors rushed to submit applications before midnight.

The latest figure has brought the total number of registrations up to 3.85 million since the general election was called on October 29th, when MPs voted in favour of a snap poll.


Labour-backing campaign groups encouraged voters to sign up via online videos and messages. Momentum said it persuaded more than 120,000 people to register through Facebook alone. Of the total registrations completed on the closing day, 97% were made online.

Among the 122,900 people signed up through the Momentum’s Facebook ad, more than 100,000 were under the age of 35 and they were almost all in marginal constituencies. There are 50 seats in the country with majorities of less than 5,000.


Polling between November 12th and 20th suggested that Labour has an advantage among young voters. It showed that the party had increased 13 percentage points amongst 18- to 29-year-olds since the start of October, rising from 38% to 51%. In comparison, only 20% of this age group said they would vote Tory.


How The Left Could Save NATO


"Paul Mason on how 'the left' could be a better steward of the permanent war alliance."

Scratch a Remainer to reveal an imperialist.

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..i don't agree with everything said in this piece..but i like it. 

Brexit? This election is about something much bigger than that

I was five years old in 1997 when my mum took me with her to the polling station and let me scratch a wobbly X on the ballot paper. My main impression of the general election was it meant that I didn’t have to go to school that day, and that voting Labour had something to do with Mum buying the biggest watermelon I’d ever seen from the Turkish shop on the way home. More opaque was why she cried the next morning, or phoned her sister just to repeat “This is amazing … it’s just amazing” over and over.

I think I understand her a bit better now. For a struggling single parent with two young kids, the end of 18 years of continuous Tory rule felt like being let out of a dark room.


Politicians who got their university education for free tell the young that tuition fees are simply a fact of life. The return to corporation tax to about 2010 levels is regarded as akin to Maoism. And Boris Johnson, who has been otherwise careful to avoid the miserable determinism of Theresa May’s 2017 campaign, fell back on the familiar bleat that there’s no way to “magic up” money for those who have borne the brunt of Conservative economic policy.

Nowhere is our country’s atrophied capacity to imagine better more apparent than in the political class’s response to the climate emergency. Sure, Extinction Rebellion occasionally lurch into self-parody, but no amount of hippy-dippy nonsense could be more shameful than Adam Boulton’s tirade on Sky News this year in which he accused climate activists of being “the incompetent middle-class” and “self-indulgent”. That a broadcaster rumoured to be paid £400,000 a year can get away with calling others moneyed and out of touch has permanently damaged the part of my brain responsible for processing irony.

There’s something fairly insane about a media culture that praises Michael Gove as an environmentalist hero for using a reusable cup while simultaneously delegitimising protest movements associated with climate justice. Aided and abetted by a supine media, the government has been allowed to miss a six-month deadline set by parliament to address the climate emergency. We are already on course to miss the dreadfully unambitious target set by May to reach net-zero carbon emissions by 2050. And despite large swathes of South Yorkshire still being under floodwater, Brexit continues to be trotted out by broadcasters as the defining issue of this election.


There are problems with the Labour party. They have not committed to preserving freedom of movement in all circumstances; they have stuck with a prohibitionist approach to drugs; they have not stamped out antisemitism as ruthlessly as they ought to. But I will not let perfect be the enemy of hope. At its heart, the Jeremy Corbyn project represents the return of the future.

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Migrant voters can change the narrative

So it begins again: the party manifestos, the analysis, the campaigning, the tactics, the lobbying, fake news, real news, promises, policies… Pundits and pollsters are not going out of business yet.

Over the past few years, opportunities to practice democracy through voting have come thick and fast. And yet somehow many of us feel increasingly anxious, unheard, unrepresented, unequal and worried about our future and that of our children. Many people are cynical about elections, yet they have never seemed so important.

In the overwhelming uncertainty about what will happen on December 12, one thing is certain: this election – as every other election in living memory – will be about immigration.

It is essential that migrants who are eligible to vote are encouraged to register and to ensure their voices and the issues they care about are reflected in our national politics. Because at election time and across the political spectrum, we, the immigrants, quickly become everybody’s favourite villain.


Our communities also have legitimate concerns about what life is like in Britain for migrants, refugees, and people who identify as BAME (Black, Asian or Minority Ethnic). Our legitimate concerns are for the safety of our families in a context of rising hate crime, for our friends and family under threat of detention and deportation. We are legitimately concerned about the way public services have become hostile not helpful for so many, and the uncertainty that continues to hover over our fellow citizens from the EU. We have legitimate concern for people denied life-saving treatment because they have been expressly targeted by hostile environment policies. We see the inhumanity of the Windrush scandal. Our legitimate concern is for rights-based immigration reform based on the shared values of democracy and fairness.

These concerns and values are shared across our country. They echo broader demands in our society for a healthy democracy, functioning public services and a culture of solidarity, mutual support and inclusion. This election needs to be about what unites us, not what divides us. It needs to be about fighting for the interests of migrants and society at large.

Empowering voters

Despite their importance, elections can be alienating and disempowering for many members of migrant communities. The issues affecting us – our legitimate concerns – do not appear in the national conversation. We sense that our interests are not being represented by politicians or in the press. Absence of representation can translate into fear, frustration, anger and apathy. Some of our community members also struggle to participate due to language barriers and a lack of familiarity with the democratic process. Precarious immigration status may have distanced our members from civic activity and excluded them from participation.

For us at Migrants Organise, elections bring a number of challenges. Our aim is to facilitate meaningful integration and in 2014 we began working with our member communities to ensure that all those who can, register and vote. Since this year’s election was announced, more than 2 million new voters overall have registered, but there is still a long way to go. Recently released Electoral Commission statistics show that one in four Black and Asian people are not registered to vote. Many Commonwealth citizens, from Asia, Africa and the Caribbean, are unaware that they are eligible to vote.




Labour To Change Election Strategy


"The idea that you could ever make the election 'about everything but Brexit', was nonsensical from the start - The continuity Remain campaign has quite likely cost us this election and killed off the 'Corbyn moment.' The risible idea that working class communities can be instrumentalised told what's best for them and won round to  the reactionary liberal position of Remain, is precisely what's wrong with the liberal left, and what will likely cost Labour this election."

Sean in Ottawa

All posts in all threads are blank for me. So are all messages. Is this the case for everyone?

Ken Burch

They were.  They're visible now.

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Canadian tech firm AggregateIQ broke privacy laws over Brexit


Firm 'went beyond' consent in Brexit campaign

AIQ was thrust into the spotlight in 2018 after reports surfaced it had undisclosed connections to Cambridge Analytica, the now-defunct British political campaigning firm founded in part by U.S. President Donald Trump’s former chief strategist Stephen Bannon, ​​​​as well as to the pro-Brexit “Vote Leave” campaign, where Boris Johnson, now the U.K. prime minister, played a key role.

AIQ worked with information that had been derived from Facebook data, originally obtained by Cambridge Analytica through a third-party app. Bannon's firm was ultimately used to support Trump's 2016 presidential campaign. AIQ also worked with Vote Leave, providing online advertising and database services. The success of Vote Leave was seen to be owed in part to AIQ.


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