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NDPP

The Jimmy Dore Show

https://youtu.be/TwmFRReGUco

"Michael Moore joins MSNBC's McCarthy smears of Tulsi."

josh

Russbots at it again:

Consistent with past Russian activity, they attacked moderate politicians as a method of bolstering more polarizing candidates. Recently, Vice President Biden has been the most frequent target of this strategy, as seen in dozens of tweets such as, “Joe Biden is damaging Obama’s legacy with his racism and stupidity!” and “Joe Biden doesn’t deserve our votes!”

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/russia-troll-2020-election-interference-twitter-916482/

NDPP

Sorry Josh, Dems already tried that once. It failed. That dog don't hunt no more...

"Let us turn to the role of the media in reporting alleged Russian interference in the US electoral process. Mainstream journalists have called Trump a puppet of Russia, a modern version of the Manchurian Candidate. Others have criticized the media for accepting unsubstantiated claims about Russian influence, and reporting such claims as facts. Norman Soloman and Serge Halimi, for example, stated that press reporting on this issue amounts to a mass hysteria reminiscent of the McCarthy era, while Seymour Hersh called the media reporting on Russia 'outrageous'. What is your view of this situation?

Chomsky: "My guess is that most of the world is collapsing in laughter. Suppose all the charges are true, I mean every single one, it is so amateurish by US standards that you can hardly even laugh..."

'Most of the World is Just Collapsing in Laughter' On Claims that Russia Intervened in the US Election. An Interview with Noam Chomsky

https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/03/03/most-of-the-world-is-just-collap...

 

josh

Sorry Josh, Dems already tried that once. It failed. That dog don't hunt no more...

Image result for that's what's known as a non-denial denial

NDPP

Obama Privately Said He Would Speak Up to Stop Sanders: Report

https://twitter.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1199379491333824517

"Surprise (not): right-wing, neoliberal sellout Barack Obama is privately working to try to prevent Bernie Sanders from becoming the presidential candidate - when he's not getting $400,000 for each Wall St speech and water-skiing with billionaire oligarchs."

Cody87

josh wrote:

Sorry Josh, Dems already tried that once. It failed. That dog don't hunt no more...

Image result for that's what's known as a non-denial denial

That you can post that in support of the Russian collusion conspiracy theory demonstrates an astounding lack of self awareness. Or Poe's law, I guess.

NDPP

'Why Does He Say Things Like That?' (and vid)

https://twitter.com/BuckSexton/status/1201174805040574464

"We live in a country of 320 million people - and this is the best person the Democrats can come up with so far to run against Trump?"

josh

Cody87 wrote:

josh wrote:

Sorry Josh, Dems already tried that once. It failed. That dog don't hunt no more...

Image result for that's what's known as a non-denial denial

That you can post that in support of the Russian collusion conspiracy theory demonstrates an astounding lack of self awareness. Or Poe's law, I guess.

 

Read the Mueller report.  And the indictments he brought. 

Cody87

josh wrote:

Cody87 wrote:

josh wrote:

Sorry Josh, Dems already tried that once. It failed. That dog don't hunt no more...

Image result for that's what's known as a non-denial denial

That you can post that in support of the Russian collusion conspiracy theory demonstrates an astounding lack of self awareness. Or Poe's law, I guess.

 

Read the Mueller report.  And the indictments he brought. 

Where in the Mueller report does it confirm Russian collusion? Which indictments support that allegation? You might want to send that info to Adam Schiff, he must have missed it since his impeachment hearings are focused on other things.

josh

He found no conspiracy, as that term is used in the criminal statutes.  But he found instances of contact and cooperation.  The Stone conviction was a result of that.

DistinguishedFlyer

Sen. Harris has just pulled out; this leaves six people on the stage for the debate in two weeks (she'd qualified for it), with the possibility of two more joining them.

epaulo13 epaulo13's picture

'Standing With Bernie Because Bernie Stands With Us': Iowa's Largest Progressive Group Endorses Sanders

With only about two months left before Iowa's first-in-the-nation 2020 caucuses, the political arm of the state's largest grassroots progressive group endorsed Sen. Bernie Sanders for the Democratic Party's presidential nomination on Monday.

"From standing with us on strike lines with fast food workers to touring rural Iowa plagued by factory farms, Bernie has helped build the political revolution we've been building for decades. And we could not be more excited to have him build it with us in Iowa in 2020," said the Iowa Citizens for Community Improvement (CCI) Action Fund.

The Iowa CCI Action Fund plans to formally voice support for Sanders (I-Vt.) at an endorsement rally and Medicare for All action at its headquarters in Des Moines on Thursday. The decision to back his campaign for the Democratic nomination followed a seven-month endorsement process.....

iyraste1313

Undemocratic Dems Raise the Bar to Exclude Tulsi Gabbard from Debates

  STEPHEN LENDMAN

12 hours ago

 

 

...as I suggested so long ago...there will be a third party challenge!

epaulo13 epaulo13's picture

Riding the Fence on Medicare for All Isn’t Smart Politics

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Most strikingly, earlier this week, Sen. Kamala Harris’s presidential campaign died on the vine. The major obstacle preventing Harris’s campaign from ever achieving liftoff was that she built her career from prosecutor to city district attorney to state attorney general as a tough-on-crime Democrat in California. In the post–Black Lives Matter era (and one in which leftist Twitter users were constantly calling her a cop, which apparently bothered campaign staffers), the image Harris had cultivated became a political liability.

But the public’s trust in Harris was shaken for another reason: her flip-flopping on Medicare for All.

Harris announced her candidacy on a Friday in January 2019. On the next Monday, she suggested at a CNN town hall event that she agreed with Sen. Bernie Sanders — whose 2017 Medicare for All bill she co-sponsored — that all private health insurance should be eliminated and replaced with a universal public program.

“I believe the solution, and I actually feel very strongly about this, is that we need to have Medicare for all. That’s just the bottom line,” she said. Referring to the private health industry, she added, “Let’s eliminate all of that. Let’s move on.”

Strong stuff. But facing intense criticism for these remarks from billionaires like Howard Schultz and Michael Bloomberg, Harris’s campaign immediately recanted. By the end of Tuesday, her campaign press secretary and a top adviser had both assured the media that Harris was open to keeping private insurance.

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Warren’s Fancy M4A Footwork

Grabbing fewer headlines this week was Sen. Elizabeth Warren’s recent dip in the polls. In September, Warren was hailed as the race’s new front-runner after a surge in support that month. But any front-runner has a target on their back, and her opponents quickly found her weak spot.

While Warren had avowed support for Sanders’s Medicare for All plan since her campaign launch, she tended to elide details, either referring people to Sanders’s plan without getting into the weeds herself or reducing Medicare for All to a “framework” that lacked specifics. And there was one detail in particular that she was clearly uncomfortable embracing: the inevitability of a middle-class tax hike.

Sanders has been consistent on this point, clearly explaining that a few people’s taxes will go up, but overall costs will go down, while claims denials and medical debt will become a thing of the past. But for her part, when asked if she would raise taxes, Warren assiduously avoided this direct explanation.

On the debate stage in October, Pete Buttigieg, whose “Medicare for All Who Want It” plan amounts to a public option with a continued role for private insurance, accused Warren of evasiveness on the tax question. Warren responded that under her plan, taxes “will not go up for middle-class families. And I will not sign a bill into law that raises their costs.”

Without attacking Warren, Sanders then responded by separating taxes and costs: even if taxes go up, costs will go down. “The tax increase they pay will be substantially less — substantially less than what they were paying for premiums and out-of-pocket expansions,” he said.

A moderator asked Warren, “Will you acknowledge what the senator just said about taxes going up?” She would not.

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Sean in Ottawa

It is possible that the Dem race could come down to one of the following three tickets.

The Democrats will pay attention to demographics and unity trying to balance with VP what they need:

You could see younger-older; left-right; male-female and racial diversity.

It is possible to imagine:

Biden-Harris

Sanders-Harris (a very different ticket to the first)

and Warren-Booker

A more inspired option could be Sanders - Stacey Abrams

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

My preference would be Bernie Sanders / Nina Turner. She is very smart, a powerful speaker, and would scare the shit out of the elites. They would pray every day for Bernie to stay in good health.

NDPP

The Jimmy Dore Show

https://youtu.be/iGRp0B6ct00

"NY DNC Chair endorses Trump over Tulsi."

NDPP

Joe Biden On His Son Hunter's Work in Ukraine (and vid)

https://twitter.com/axios/status/1203820552269336577

"I don't know what he was doing."

Sure Joe.

Aristotleded24

NDPP wrote:
Joe Biden On His Son Hunter's Work in Ukraine (and vid)

https://twitter.com/axios/status/1203820552269336577

"I don't know what he was doing."

Sure Joe.

Interesting that after Sanders had a minor heart attack the press went on about how this would end his campaign, and yet we have Biden showing clear signs of cognitive decline brought on by dementia that nobody wants to talk about.

kropotkin1951

Aristotleded24 wrote:

NDPP wrote:
Joe Biden On His Son Hunter's Work in Ukraine (and vid)

https://twitter.com/axios/status/1203820552269336577

"I don't know what he was doing."

Sure Joe.

Interesting that after Sanders had a minor heart attack the press went on about how this would end his campaign, and yet we have Biden showing clear signs of cognitive decline brought on by dementia that nobody wants to talk about.

A little dementia never kept a good man down.

NDPP

Tulsi Gabbard Reacts to Afghanistan Report

https://youtu.be/848_pap-X9I

"Presidential candidate Tulsi Gabbard shares her thoughts on the Afghanistan Report..."

 

Rikardo

I really like Tulsi but I think its Bloomberg who can beat Trump. And being Jewish may help him solve the Israel-Palestine conflict.  My grandmother is from California.  Who cares?

NDPP

 

A Comedy in Three Parts

https://twitter.com/caraestan/status/1205678681194000384

"Sen Bernie Sanders may be ethnically Jewish, but [The Washington Examiner's Tiana Lowe] says his campaign is rapidly turning out to be the most anti-Semitic in decades."

 

Don't Let the Smears that Sank Corbyn Tank Bernie Sanders

https://twitter.com/norabf/status/1205526056926507008

Instead of fighting back, Democratic leaders have chosen appeasement: apologizing for anti-Semitism where it doesn't exist. That's the strategy that helped sink Corbyn. False anti-Semitism smears must be forcefully rejected..."

NDPP

The Jimmy Dore Show

https://youtu.be/Qwmne9Hi3C4

"Buttigieg shames progressives as purists for opposing bribes."

NDPP

DC's Atlantic Council Raked in Funding From Hunter Biden's Corruption...

https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1211849020878065664

"If it comes down to Biden vs Bernie, I don't trust that Bernie has the killer instinct to hammer on the sick corruption that Biden oversaw as imperial overlord of post-Maidan Ukraine - and the very real Burisma scandal. But this is what it will take to win..."

iyraste1313

interesting the quote from CNN, which just tried a take down of Sanders at this past debate(?)......

is the fix now in? Sanders must be bumped, however!

Warren is a no go...Biden will be trashed in the next round of impeachment hearings.....leaving the CIA favourite candidate Pete Buttandwig...then of course the remopval of Trump, too irrational for the likes of the war industry and oil industry, pharmacy industry and MSM, ad nauseum.......

Will it be Pompeo, the next president?

NDPP

Sanders Apologizes to Biden...

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/21/sanders-apologizes-to-biden-for...

"Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders marched together in a Martin Luther King parade Monday morning in a show that they put their recent contretemps behind them. But by evening: Sanders was offering an apology to another Democratic rival: Joe Biden. Sanders apologized for an op-ed penned by a surrogate alleging Biden had 'a big corruption problem'. Sanders told CBS News: 'It is absolutely not my view that Joe Biden is corrupt in any way. And I'm sorry that op-ed appeared..."

 

'Not A Left Party': AOC Calls The Democratic Party a 'Center-Conservative Party'

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/not-a-left-party-aoc-calls-the-d...

"The Democratic Party is not a left party,' Ocasio Cortez said. 'The Democratic Party is a center or center-Conservative party.' We can't even get a floor vote on Medicare For All, not even a floor vote that gets voted down. So this is not a left party. There are a lot of true believers that we can 'capitalism' our way out of poverty in the Democratic Party. If anything that's probably the majority.' The comments echoed an argument Ocasio-Cortez made earlier this month when she called the Democratic Party, 'too big of a tent.' 'In any other country, Joe Biden and I would not be in the same party, but in America we are,' she said. 'They let anybody the cat dragged in call themselves a progressive."

Sound familiar?

Sean in Ottawa

The reason for this is of course that the US is not a centre country but a right wing one. The global centre and its centre are in two different places. Nobody in their politics seems prepared to say this directly. For this reason the Democratic party which is the left in an American context is centre right. Parts of it are actually left in a global context like Sanders and AOC.

This problem exists in Canada as well. People redefine the centre to suit themselves and invariably claim to be there no matter how much to the left or right thay actually are when given context.

Aristotleded24

Is Biden's firewall starting to crumble?

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Dalhi Myers, a black woman elected to South Carolina's Richland County Council in 2016, announced Wednesday that she is switching her support in the 2020 Democratic primary from former Vice President Joe Biden to Sen. Bernie Sanders because of the latter's willingness to fight for the most vulnerable and his potential strength in a general election battle against President Donald Trump.

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Just last month, Myers joined more than a dozen other South Carolina elected officials in endorsing Biden as "the only candidate with the broad and diverse coalition of support we need to win."

But Myers told AP she no longer believes that is the case.

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By her own account, Myers is no progressive firebrand—but she said she is "voting what I think is best for all of us, not just me."

"I'm a 50-year-old-black woman, and I tend to be middle of the road," Myers said. "I'm not a left-wing liberal. I'm not even a left-wing Democrat. But I am a realist."

Sean in Ottawa

Aristotleded24 wrote:

Is Biden's firewall starting to crumble?

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Dalhi Myers, a black woman elected to South Carolina's Richland County Council in 2016, announced Wednesday that she is switching her support in the 2020 Democratic primary from former Vice President Joe Biden to Sen. Bernie Sanders because of the latter's willingness to fight for the most vulnerable and his potential strength in a general election battle against President Donald Trump.

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Just last month, Myers joined more than a dozen other South Carolina elected officials in endorsing Biden as "the only candidate with the broad and diverse coalition of support we need to win."

But Myers told AP she no longer believes that is the case.

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By her own account, Myers is no progressive firebrand—but she said she is "voting what I think is best for all of us, not just me."

"I'm a 50-year-old-black woman, and I tend to be middle of the road," Myers said. "I'm not a left-wing liberal. I'm not even a left-wing Democrat. But I am a realist."

Just a question -- as we can all see that Biden is fading fast. Do you think even part of this is a successful Trump attack or do you think that it is something else?

I think it could be both. The Trump attack is backfiring on Trump (perhaps) but it may have done the damage he wanted to cause to Biden. I also think that recently we have seen some things divide the nominees and people are moving away from a compromise middle candidate for a middle that does not exist. I see at the same time tremendous momentum for Sanders who is the opposite.

The question is if Sanders takes the front for a time, will Trump attack him? Could Trump be hoping Sanders wins and be saving his anti Sanders campaign for later? This could be a bad strategy if Trump in the end cannot beat Sanders but the fact that he is holding fire more than he is at some of the others suggests that he may think he can beat him, even though the polls suggest otherwise.

I think Sanders does have the best shot at beating Trump and this is despite the predictable campaign that will come against him. I think that Trump and the tea party has further polarized a field that was moving in that direction. Nobody wants a change/hope campaign now. They want something so real that nobody has to label it as "real change."

Nobody is convincing people who are not already convinced and there is no middle poll. What there is now is a competition to inspire the people that agree with you to come out. I do not think Biden can do that.

NDPP

The Jimmy Dore Show

https://youtu.be/P61WI_UQzek

"Dennis Kucinich endorses Tulsi Gabbard & anti-war fight."

NorthReport

As much as I like what Sanders says, Trump would chew him up and spit him out like roadkill, were Bernie be able to secure the Democratic nomination. But that is not in the cards, eh!

 

NorthReport

My hunch is that Amy is the one Democratic candidate that has any possibility of defeating Trump. 

Is Klobuchar Having A Last-Minute Surge In Iowa?

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-is-klobuchar-having-a-last-minute-surge-in-iowa/

NDPP

I think he'd chew up and spit out Biden far easier. Sanders and Gabbard would be the Dem dream-team imho.

Sean in Ottawa

NorthReport wrote:

As much as I like what Sanders says, Trump would chew him up and spit him out like roadkill, were Bernie be able to secure the Democratic nomination. But that is not in the cards, eh!

 

I actually don't think so. I think Sanders is a nightmare for Trump.

Trump will try to portay Sanders as an extremist but I think Sanders could turn the tables back on Trump pointing out how Trump is the extreme one. Sanders also can defeat the notion that Trumpions love about anti-semitism meaning the same as opposition to Israel's behaviour.

Both Sanders and Trump are outside the mainstream and a Sanders ticket could force people to choose and they just might prefer him.

NDPP

The Jimmy Dore Show

https://youtu.be/jSPDgGPUtTA

"Biden Snaps! Pushes questioner - 'Vote for someone else!"

NorthReport

Meanwhile back in the real world, we are not going to find that out because Sanders will be blocked by the Democratic power brokers from ever securing the nominiation.

An often forgotten tidbit: Sanders in not even a Democrat.

Maybe we should be keeping an eye on what Bloomberg is up to, eh!

Aristotleded24

NorthReport wrote:
Meanwhile back in the real world, we are not going to find that out because Sanders will be blocked by the Democratic power brokers from ever securing the nominiation.

Then prepare for 4 more years of Trump.

NorthReport wrote:
An often forgotten tidbit: Sanders in not even a Democrat.

That's what people like the most about him. In 2016, he did much better in the primaries with Independents than Clinton did. Trump did better with Independents on the Republican side. How did that one turn out?

NDPP

Rashida Tlaib Booing Hillary Clinton (and vid)

https://twitter.com/RaniaKhalek/status/1223572286302760960

"I love this video. Clinton supporters crying foul over booing is hilarious. She's spent the last 3 years since LOSING attacking Sanders and his supporters. You want us to cheer her?"

NDPP

"Desperate DNC members consider rule change to let superdelegates vote on 1st ballot to stop Sanders. If the DNC rigs another election against its voters, it'll be asking for biggest DemExit yet by those who want an actual democratic party."

https://twitter.com/DrJillStein/status/1223439243621621761

iyraste1313

Ukrainiain 'Son Of A Bitch Who Got Fired' Files Criminal Complaint Against Biden For Abuse Of Power

The Ukrainian prosecutor who Joe Biden bragged about getting fired, Viktor Shokin, has filed a criminal complaint in Kiev against the former Vice President for abusing his power, according to French news outlet Les Crises (confirmed by multiple sources according to PJ Media)....

Unless the MSM can once again brainwash to public...the Democratic Party may be toast, especially if a mainstream candidate is selected....surely a time for third options to be organizing and negotiating!

NDPP

More: Biden's Ukrainian chicken crimes come home to roost...

 

Ukraine's Ex-Prosecutor Who Led Burisma Investigation Demands Criminal Probe of Biden

https://on.rt.com/aa0f

"Former top Ukrainian prosecutor Viktor Shokin has filed a criminal complaint with the state authorities, claiming former Vice President Joe Biden strong-armed Kiev into firing him in order to stop the Burisma investigation. In the complaint Shokin sent to the Ukraine State Bureau of Investigation (SBI) on Tuesday, the former prosecutor requests that Biden be charged with 'interference with the activities of a law enforcement officer.' The document  was obtained by the Interfax-Ukraine news agency.

Shokin urged the SBI to kick-start a pre-trial investigation into the alleged crime committed by Biden, who he claims was illegally pressuring Ukrainian officials into ousting him from office while using a $1 billion loan guarantee as leverage...[quid pro quo]. Shokin's own words have received only a passing mention or no media at all in mainstream US media..."

That could change soon.

kropotkin1951

The American political class has forgotten that people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

josh
NDPP

"This video pretty much says it all..."

https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1223776879460659200

Aristotleded24

So we still don't have any results from the Iowa Caucus. Ridiculous! So instead of the talk about the winner having momentum going into New Hampshire, the talk is going to be around how messsed up the process was for the Iowa Democratic Caucuses? You don't think that has the potential to open wounds and feelings of being wronged that will undermine the fight against Trump? Could this process have been set up to deliberately undermine any momentum the Sanders campaign would have otherwise received from tonight?

I think perhaps it's time for the left to ditch the Democratic Party altogether, and join/form one that can run a proper election process in all states. There's absolutely no excuse for this.

contrarianna

Aristotleded24 wrote:

So we still don't have any results from the Iowa Caucus. Ridiculous! So instead of the talk about the winner having momentum going into New Hampshire, the talk is going to be around how messsed up the process was for the Iowa Democratic Caucuses? ....

Clearly, the main loser in this debacle is the ascendant Sanders, losing momentum and changing the narrative, as you describe.
Who benefits?. Trump, the Republicans, the security state, and those Democratic elite and their backers who see Sanders as a bigger threat to their interests than Trump.

Though speculation and investigation on the possibility of sabotage  does not constitute conspiracy theory (and thankfully the "Putin did it" meme has not, yet, gained traction for this), until credible evidence shows otherwise Hanlon's Razor is still my guidance in this fiasco:
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity"
 

 

Sean in Ottawa

contrarianna wrote:

Aristotleded24 wrote:

So we still don't have any results from the Iowa Caucus. Ridiculous! So instead of the talk about the winner having momentum going into New Hampshire, the talk is going to be around how messsed up the process was for the Iowa Democratic Caucuses? ....

Clearly, the main loser in this debacle is the ascendant Sanders, losing momentum and changing the narrative, as you describe.
Who benefits?. Trump, the Republicans, the security state, and those Democratic elite and their backers who see Sanders as a bigger threat to their interests than Trump.

Though speculation and investigation on the possibility of sabotage  does not constitute conspiracy theory (and thankfully the "Putin did it" meme has not, yet, gained traction for this), until credible evidence shows otherwise Hanlon's Razor is still my guidance in this fiasco:
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity"
 

 

I do not even think that we can discount accident either. Much of what they are doing appears to invovle new and previously untested coding (in a real environment). I do not think there is reasonable evidence yet to presume that the only options are stupidity or a consipracy within or without the party.

Without the results, I would be cautious about suggesting winners and losers. If Sanders wins, then yes, he would have suffered due to this. But if it turns out he was second, then he could do as well in this cloudy situation than if results had been properly available. 

As far as losers, I think the clear loser here is this whole caucus process which is not particularly adhering to democratic standards -- even the low standards widely accepted in the US.

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Iowa Caucus Results (From the Associated Press via a Google Search, 62% results):

Associated Press wrote:

Pete Buttigieg 26.9% 10 Delegates
Bernie Sanders 25.1% 10 Delegates
Elizabeth Warren 18.3% 4 Delegates
Joe Biden 15.6% 0 Delegates
Amy Klobuchar 12.6% 0 Delegates
Andrew Yang 1% 0 Delegates

The big winners so far are Bittigieg and Sanders, who are tied for first place with 10 delegates each. The big loser is Biden, who doesn't have any delegates yet.

I'm a Sanders supporter, and this result is good for him.

The other big loser appears to be the app they're using to conduct this Caucus process Sure took them long enough to cough up even partial results.

The big question is whether this result will help Buttigeg continue to gain votes from Biden in upcoming states. As a Sanders supporter, my hope is that we can get enough of a split in the centrist vote between Buttigeg and Biden to allow Sanders to come up the middle and win.

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