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josh

NDPP wrote:

The US Presidential Election is NOT Over. Here's Where Things Stand Right Now

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2020-11-09/us-presidential-election-not-o...

Disclaimer: none of the following is meant to be political analysis. I am not endorsing nor disparaging any candidate. I'm simply outlining the facts pertaining to the US presidential election.

"I want to warn you that the next few months in the US will be extraordinarily ugly. The country was already deeply divided before this election. And unfortunately, it's only going to get worse. The fact is that Joe Biden HASN'T actually won this election yet. That is not a typo. The media has done the US a great disservice by claiming that Biden is the winner this early in the game. Everyone needs to step back and understand how the actual election process occurs based on federal law, not media reporting..."

As in every presidential election in the electronic media age.  In all but one, the media has declared a winner by now.  Without controversy.  Including 2016.

Fascism feeds off historical ignorance.

josh

Richard Pilger, the Justice Department official who oversaw investigations of voter fraud, has stepped down

The move came only hours after Attorney General William Barr authorized prosecutors to pursue ‘substantial allegations’ of voting irregularities in the 2020 presidential election if there are ‘clear and apparently-credible allegations’ that could potentially impact the outcome of an individual state. According to an email Pilger sent to colleagues that was obtained by The New York Times, he said: “Having familiarized myself with the new policy and its ramifications ... I must regretfully resign from my role as director of the Election Crimes Branch.”

NDPP

Obama Official Ben Rhodes Admits Biden Camp is Already Talking with Foreign Leaders: Exactly What Flynn Did

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/obama-official-ben-rhodes-admits

"In late 2016, the FBI investigated Gen Michael Flynn when he was a transition official for the possible 'crime' of talking to Russia about foreign policy. Why can Biden do this?"

NDPP

Press Conference with Kayleigh McEnany and RNC Chair Ronna McDaniel

https://youtu.be/qtZHMTDDDec

"The integrity of our election matters..."

 

Sworn Affidavit of GOP Poll Watcher Zachary Larsen

https://t.co/63nLXJxAZF?amp=1

Zachary Larsen on alleged fraud he observed in Detroit.

josh

Even Fox dropped coverage of Kay Lie's lie-a-thon.  But NDPP has lower standards.

josh

NDPP wrote:

Obama Official Ben Rhodes Admits Biden Camp is Already Talking with Foreign Leaders: Exactly What Flynn Did

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/obama-official-ben-rhodes-admits

"In late 2016, the FBI investigated Gen Michael Flynn when he was a transition official for the possible 'crime' of talking to Russia about foreign policy. Why can Biden do this?"

The crime was not talking.  

a “very senior member” of the Trump transition team tells Flynn to “contact officials from foreign governments, including Russia” to try and influence votes on a U.N. resolution about Israeli settlements. According to the charging document, Flynn and Kislyak have a conversation in which Flynn asks Russia to vote against the resolution or to delay it.

Flynn later lied about the content of the calls with Kislyak, including that Flynn denied having asked the Russians to refrain from escalating tensions by retaliating with sanctions of their own. In other words: Flynn did make that request.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/12/01/timeline-what-flynn-copped-to-and-what-he-didnt/

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bekayne

NorthReport wrote:
Is this rabble, or is it Fox News or worse?

Worse. It's OAN, American Thinker, Townhall.com. 

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kropotkin1951

josh wrote:

As in every presidential election in the electronic media age.  In all but one, the media has declared a winner by now.  Without controversy.  Including 2016.

Fascism feeds off historical ignorance.

Hanging chads is ancient history I guess. Gore conceded despite having many legal challenges that potentially could have changed the outcome of that election. That is when the duopoly played nicer and both sides understood the rules of the charade. Trump actually intends to use the full extent of the law to get what he wants like he has in all his other business dealings but he has that right under the constitution. The state courts will slap any nonsense down quickly, in the meantime connected law firms around the US are billing more hours than there are in a day. Either way the system churns on and rewards the fascists.

Your problem Josh is you don't understand that the US has been a fascist state for a long time but one with a very sophisticated facade. Trump has merely pulled down the curtains and shown the emptiness of American "democracy"

josh

Yeah, I must be a social fascist. 

kropotkin1951

I have no idea how you would describe your political philosophy all I know is you supported the corporate fascist war criminal not the scam artist clown. Of course it is the lesser of evils and therefore the devil made you do it.

So besides for decrying how Trump has ruined your non-existent democracy are you going to help with a movement to disband the electoral system and go to a proper one person one vote system with a run off. Until I see Americans trying to change that fundamental lynch pin of the lesser of evils system I don't see anything much changing.

In places like California people's fundamental rights, like the right to organize, are up for grabs in a rigged vote. In a Democratic stronghold no less. Workers rights for sale in a propaganda campaign with unlimited funding provided by billionaires with vested interests. Your country is what advanced fascism looks like.

josh

Corporate fascist war criminal?  That's it?

Clown?  You mean like Mussolini?

NDPP

Pepe Escobar: First Comes a Rolling Civil War

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/escobar-first-comes-rolling-civil...

"The drama may roll on for weeks. The first step of the Electoral College procedure takes place on December 14. The final determination will only happen in early January. Meanwhile, talk of a New Resistance is spreading like wildfire. Trumpism, with 71 million+ votes is firmly established as a mass movement. No one in the GOP commands this kind of popular appeal. By sidelining Trumpism, the GOP may be committing seppuku. Trump is the President of Red America. And depending on how the scripted (s)election tragicomedy develops next, The Deplorables are bound to become The Ungovernables. The West and especially the American Rome, is on the edge of a double precipice..."

PS. To those who prefer the usual babble-left diet here of NYT, WaPo, CNN etc,  I'm sure the thread will continue to supply as much of that as one can stomach. However some stories involving alternative or duelling narratives are better understood by the addition of  insights, contexts and sometimes even information that is not always found in the usual sources. If you prefer not to read these, don't. In any case, at the end of it all, you will still be completely free to think as the WaPo or NYT wishes.

"Liberals are absolutely authoritarian censors - they believe in the justifiability of tech overlords silencing their political adversaries - and now that they'll be in control of the mechanics of government this will worsen."

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1324747054946668544

 

NDPP

Postal Worker Recanted Allegations of Ballot Tampering, Officials Says

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/postal-worker-fabricated-b...

"A Pennsylvania postal worker whose claims have been cited by top Republicans as potential evidence of widespread irregularities admitted to US Postal Service investigators that he fabricated the allegations, according to three officials briefed on the investigation and a statement from a House congressional committee....Democrats on the House Oversight Committee tweeted late Tuesday that the 'whistleblower completely RECANTED.'

 

USPS Whistleblower Richard Hopkins (and vid)

https://twitter.com/BdieforGOP/status/1326325094688419840

"I did not recant..."

 

Federal Agents 'Coerce' USPS Whistleblower Hopkins...(and vid)

https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/status/1326323334800437248

Recording: Federal agents 'coerce' USPS whistleblower Hopkins to water down story. Hopkins doubles down. Agent Strasser: 'I am trying to twist you a little bit. I am trying to scare you here...we have Senators involved, DOJ involved. [The] reason they called me here is to try to harness that storm..."

NDPP

Special Meeting...

https://twitter.com/KDKA/status/1326366790746841088

"The Allegheny County Board of Elections has voted to count more than 2,000 ballots without dates..."

lol. Nothing to see here...

NDPP

Pompeo Sec-State on CSPAN (and vid)

https://twitter.com/cspan/status/1326230270421426183

"There will be a smooth transition to a second Trump administration..."

NDPP

CrossTalk: 'Free & Fair'? (and vid)

https://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/506266-stolen-us-political-election/

"The media is claiming Joe Biden to be president-elect. However, that's not how it works. Final vote tallies make that determination. And we aren't there yet. Was the election free and fair? And what is the possibility that half the country will claim the election was stolen?"

JKR

And what if half the country thinks Obama is a Muslim who was born in Kenya?

Mobo2000

If Biden or Trump wins, half the population will think the election was stolen.   Progress of a sort.   Kind of like that old joke about the monotheist getting closer to the truth than the pantheist.

NDPP

Good one!

Rikardo

Is there any possibilty that Trump could retire all US troops from Afghanistan before leaving office?

Rikardo

Just found an to my question /news.antiwar.com/2020/11/11/trumps-pentagon-shake-up-could-lead-to-troop-withdrawals/

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U.S. election: Georgia official says ‘anecdotes and stories’ not enough to overturn election results

Georgia election officials have announced an audit of presidential election results that will trigger a full hand recount. Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger said at a news conference Wednesday that his office wants the process to begin by the end of the week and he expects it to take until Nov. 20. Speaking to reporters, Raffensperger told Republican voters that if they had any proof of election fraud they needed to present it, and that “anecdotes and stories” alone are not enough to challenge the election outcome.

https://globalnews.ca/video/7456286/u-s-election-georgia-official-says-a...

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JKR

Mobo2000 wrote:

If Biden or Trump wins,...

Going by the votes cast, Biden won. Going by unfounded conspiracy theories, any outlandish scenario is possible. Since Trump is incapable of admitting defeat his cult will believe anything Trump wants them to believe no matter how far away from reality.

josh

NDPP wrote:

Special Meeting...

https://twitter.com/KDKA/status/1326366790746841088

"The Allegheny County Board of Elections has voted to count more than 2,000 ballots without dates..."

lol. Nothing to see here...

Tweet deleted because it was incorrect.  Ballots had been postmarked by Nov. 3rd.

Try again Trumpkin.

josh

NDPP wrote:

CrossTalk: 'Free & Fair'? (and vid)

https://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/506266-stolen-us-political-election/

"The media is claiming Joe Biden to be president-elect. However, that's not how it works. Final vote tallies make that determination. And we aren't there yet. Was the election free and fair? And what is the possibility that half the country will claim the election was stolen?"

The media called the election for Trump in 2016 way before final tallies.  Not a peep of complaint from RT and the Republicans.  To the contrary.  Now Putin and Trump quite sad.  And so are their running dogs. 

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NDPP

Democrats Invite Voters to Exploit Georgia's Weak Residency Rules to Stuff Ballot Boxes in Runoff Elections

https://thevirginiastar.com/2020/11/10/democrats-invite-voters-to-exploi...

"Democrats are advocating for 'blue voters' to become Georgia residents for the upcoming runoff elections. Georgia doesn't have a minimum residency requirement, which poses a legal loophole for both parties. Democrats could drum up enough voters to match general election turnouts and flip the state, and Republicans could ensure their hold on two Senate seats. On Friday, Democratic activist and former presidential candidate Andrew Yang told his 1.7m followers to go to Georgia for the two runoff races. 'The best thing we could do for Joe Biden is to get him a Democrat Senate. There should be a coordination of resources. Everyone who campaigned for Joe should get ready to head to Georgia. I'll go. It's the only way to sideline Mitch and give Joe a unified government. There isn't much time..."

 

Margaret Kimberley: The Real Resistance Begins

https://www.blackagendareport.com/freedom-rider-real-resistance-begins.

"...The United States desperately needs a resistance, people who will organize to defend themselves and to hold elected representatives accountable. If they want to party it can't be because one of the most right-wing Democrats in history will be president. We have already lived through phony change and emotional theatrics instead of political action. Obama's two terms in office gave us a health insurance bailout of the for profit industry responsible for a failed system, the destruction of states like LIbya and black people deprived of the little wealth they had. Unless the Democratic Party is called out, we will end up with more of the same."

JKR
NDPP

A Dangerous Moment for the Democratic Party

https://theanalysis.news/interviews/a-dangerous-moment-for-the-democrati...

In a wide-ranging discussion, Matt Taibbi and Paul Jay discuss why the Democratic Party is losing large sections of the working class, and how politics has become a religion.

"...I think this is a dangerous moment for the Democrats because I think they're going to take Biden's victory as a validation of all of their strategy for the last two election cycles, whereas, in fact, you know it's really been disastrous. They lost to Trump in 2016, kind of inexplicably, and they nearly lost to him this time. And they suffered losses in the House, and they didn't win the Senate.

You know the Democrats have become essentially an upper-class, cosmpolitan party. People outside the cities just don't vote Democratic. It's a party of people who are college-educated and have professional jobs. People who are more working-class and rural, even though they may not have the class sensibility, they are much more likely to fall into the Trump camp.

So I think it's a starkly divided electorate where at this point you can almost tell who's going to vote for which candidate based on where you are in the country, and you know what that person's background is. And I think that's a troubling sign for the Democrats, because I think they don't realize it. But I think they've lost working class people..."

NDPP

Brennan 'Concerned' What Trump Might Do in the Next 70 Days, Calls for Trump to be Removed From Office (and vid)

https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1326589842030022657

"Former CIA Director John Brennan this week called for President Trump to be removed from office. John Brennan went into panic mode after President Trump terminated Defense Secretary Mark Esper on Monday. 'In 70 days - you can do a lot of damage in 70 days. He is still President of the United States and he is going to carry out these vendettas against other individuals...I'm very concerned what he might do in his remaining 70 days in office,' Brennan told CNN,'s Chris Cuomo.

'Is he going to take some kind of military action? Is he going to release some type of information that could in fact threaten our national security interests?' he added. 'What can be done? Cuomo said. If Vice President Pence and the cabinet had an ounce of fortitude and spine and patriotism, I think they would seriously consider invoking the 25th Amendment and, you know, pushing Donald Trump out...."

 

How Trump Might Still Win

https://t.co/xtgLzrXJ6s?amp=1

"...It is also possible that Trump may actually try to stay in office by manipulating the Electoral College process. The Democrats are of course aware of such a possibility. They therefore play up the certainty of a Biden victory even as the election process is far from decided. Meanwhile, we all, as bystanders, will have to up our popcorn supplies to sustain the next two months."

 

COUP!

https://twitter.com/caitoz/status/1326711816890667008

"Trump is about to become a tyrannical dictator. We really mean it this time..."

 

NDPP

The Jimmy Dore Show

https://youtu.be/iYgOx-r9erQ

'Truth in the Streets: 'Fuck Trump. Fuck Biden too. Neither one gives a fuck about you!'

JKR

False equivalency.

NDPP

Putin Addresses Trump's Claim Russia Paid Biden

https://sptnkne.ws/Ee95

"Russian President Vladimir Putin has refused to comment on US President Donald Trump's claims that Russia allegedly sponsored his rival in the US presidential race, Joe Biden. 'No comment', Putin said as aired by the broadcaster Rossiya 1. Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said, commenting on the debates, that the candidates in the US presidential race 'compete for who dislikes Russia more.'

The Kremlin has repeatedly denied attempts to meddle in US domestic affairs. The American media also claimed that the scandal around Hunger Biden's leaked emails was also an operation by Russian intelligence, however the FBI stated the case has no links to Moscow..."

NDPP

Rep Matt Gaetz: Voter Fraud (and vid)

https://twitter.com/RepMattGaetz/status/1327047231644557319

"Dead people don't always vote but when they do, they prefer to vote by mail..."

 

Election Fraud Lawsuit Filed in Wayne County

https://www.greatlakesjc.org/press-release-election-fraud/

"The suit states Wayne County election officials allowed illegal, unlawful and fraudulent processing of votes cast in  last Tuesday's elections. Numerous witnesses have filed sworn affidavits under oath attesting to the fraudulent activities they observed directly. These acts disenfranchised lawful voters and politically changed the outcome of the election..."

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JKR

Even White House officials aren't taking Trump's  lawsuits at face value. Trump's lawsuits are just theatre for his gullible cult. Trump's lawsuits are just more cool-aid for his brainwashed cult.

NDPP

Lots of Americans are no longer taking White House officials at face value. And wisely won't under 'Uncle Joe' either.  The continuing contest and competing narratives remain nonetheless of great interest and importance no matter who is 'right' or 'wrong' in the NYT, WaPo etc.

Michigan Election Fraud: Evidence of Wolverine State Chicanery During America's 2020 Presidential Election

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2020-11-11/michigan-election-fraud-eviden...

"The basic facts of the 2020 American Presidential election are concerning because mounting evidence indicates there's been a concerted effort by state Democratic parties to flip the election from President Donald Trump to favor VP Joe Biden in a number of key swing states with the help of notoriously corrupt Democratic Party machines in at least five American cities - Detroit, Milwaukee, Philadelphia, Pittsburg and Atlanta. Here are the basic facts of the case..."

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JKR

NDPP wrote:

The continuing contest....

Biden won. Trump lost. Get over it.

NDPP

Stop Dancing in the Streets and Consider Why Trump Almost Won

https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/stop-dancing-in-the-streets-and-...

"Nick Wright argues that behind the liberal hysterics at his vulgar persona and ineptitude, Trump's administration was actually delivering on this promises - and restoration of the violent neoliberal order is nothing to celebrate. The US emerges from the 2020 presidential election more polarised than ever before with a key animator of the US imperialist war machine now *elected* as commander-in-chief..."

* Joe Biden is NOT Currently the President-Elect*

https://youtu.be/aozjr0Xbw1w

"It's an illusion...It's not over until the Electoral College sings."

NorthReport

This isn't even close any more - it's a blowout for Biden!

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/biden-win-arizona-1.5800454

NDPP

As Trump Rejects US Elections, Biden Signals Continued Regime Change Abroad

https://youtu.be/0AWTYGZnkvk

"The Grayzone's Max Blumenthal discusses Trump's rejection of democracy at home, and the records of the likely Biden cabinet members who have adopted the same attitude to governments around the world..."

 

Ray McGovern: What is John Brennan So Worried About?

https://consortiumnews.com/2020/11/13/ray-mcgovern-what-is-john-brennan-...

"Given the uncertainties of Donald Trump's actions as he faces a White House exit, the possible declassification of certain documents has the former CIA director sweating. Brennan appeared this week on both CNN and MSNBC to spread alarm about what Trump might do as he continues to contest the election results and appoints new people at Defense, NSA (and possibly CIA) who may do his bidding. Brennan warned on CNN that it was 'very, very worrisome' that Trump 'is just very unpredictable now...like a cornered cat - tiger. And he's going to lash out.' Whom would he lash out at and what classfied documents might Brennan be referring to...?"

NDPP

Geraldo Rivera: Trump Says He Will 'Do the Right Thing'

https://www.newsmax.com/politics/rivera-trump-administration-2020/2020/1...

"Longtime talk host Geraldo Rivera said Friday that President Donald Trump told him he will 'do the right thing' with the results of the 2020 presidential election, though he was waiting to see 'what states do in terms' of certification. He sounded committed to fight for every vote and if he loses talking more about what he's accomplished.

Trump on Thursday tweeted out an OAN report on the voting machines and software, claiming nearly 3 million votes for him were deleted and thousands 'switched' to Biden. Many news outlets have called the race for Democratic challenger Joe Biden, though Trump has refused to concede, citing voter fraud..."

 

Large Turnout Expected For 'Million MAGA March' this Weekend (and vid)

https://twitter.com/newsmax/status/1327359418212773892

"We the People were not heard on November 3rd, I feel that our voices were stolen from us. Our freedom is at stake."

josh

Thank you for promoting the Million Moron March.

The last states are called and the election is done.  Biden won 306-232.  Same numbers as 2016, except reversed.  However he will win the national vote by about 7 million.  While Trump lost it by 3 million.

NDPP

Trump Greets Supporters from Presidential Limo in Washington during 'Biggest Rally in History' (and vid)

https://on.rt.com/auzz

"...Trump and his supporters have declared Joe Biden's apparent electoral win last week fraudulent and described the vote as 'rigged.' The president's campaign has filed a tranche of lawsuites in several key swing states, alleging computer fraud, illegally backdated ballots and closed door counting in Democrat cities, among other complaints. Though he drove past his supporters, Trump did not stay at the march. Instead he headed to his golf course in Virginia..."

 

Nothing New

https://youtu.be/mXLVeVd8E_A

US election history marred by fraud and controversy.

 

LIVE: 'Stop the Steal:' Million Maga March on Washington

https://youtube.com/watch?v=qdQ2oc69cLk

"Thousands protest election results.."

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