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NDPP quoting kunstler wrote:

"Much as Chief Justice John Roberts would like to be the finger down the Deep State's throat to trigger the up-chucking of Mr Trump from the nation's gullet <snip>"

LOL. I nominate this as the funniest and most grotesque political metaphor of 2020. Well done, Mr. K.

josh

NDPP wrote:

17 States File SCOTUS Brief Backing Texas Challenge to Biden 'Victory' in Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin

https://on.rt.com/awvy

"Seventeen US states have officially backed the Texas complaint to the US Supreme Court alleging that four states that certified the presidential election for Democrat Joe Biden mismanaged them in violation of the US Constitution..."

 

Kunstler: A Resolving Picture

https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/a-resolving-picture/

"Much as Chief Justice John Roberts would like to be the finger down the Deep State's throat to trigger the up-chucking of Mr Trump from the nation's gullet, it looks like he won't get his chance in the 6-3 disposition of the US Supreme Court. So far, it is Justice Samuel Alito in the lead, preparing a landing zone for the President's case against the state of Pennsylvania in its shabby-ass attempt to stuff its ballot-boxes with iffy mail-in votes. I believe the case is going to be heard..."

Court already declined to hear the PA appeal.

RT doing its usual lying for its beloved Donald Trump.

Pondering

That is great news. Republicans have declared war on each other. MAGA/tea party have tasted success. They will not believe they can't achieve it again. They will want Trump 2024 or one of his kids.  Trump's attempts to steal the election and those who supported him will not be forgotten by moderates particularly in the states he has tried to steal. Trump is the best thing that has happened to Democrats since Obama. 

NDPP

And  Big Brother/Big Tech is going to do its bit to help out...

US election: YouTube to bar videos alleging widespread voter fraud

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-55255121

"YouTube said on Wednesday it would start removing content that falsely allege that widespread voter fraud changed the result of the US election. Democrats have criticized YouTube for not doing enough to take down fake news and conspiracy theories on the platform."

But not Russiagate ones because they're true.

josh

Russiagate had factual support.  One can argue over its implications.  Saying Biden did not win the election is a lie.  He won by over 7 million votes and over 300 electoral votes.  

NDPP

Why Every Legal Vote Matters

https://everylegalvote.com/home

"Every Legal Vote is a citizen coalition using reports, affidavits and math to answer the key 2020 election questions: Was there fraud, was it widespread, and did it impact the outcome of the election? Help us preserve election integrity..."

 

Here's the evidence of widespread election fraud

https://thenationalpulse.com/politics/schaffer-election-fraud/

"...The evidence these three whistleblowers presented is extensive, and compelling. It demands further investigation so that the American people can know for certain whether our election process was compromised. There's no shortage of evidence, no matter how profusely mainstream media reporters insist otherwise..."

josh

The National Pulse's main figure:

Today programme gives far-right Raheem Kassam a platform to defend Tommy Robinson

Normalising fascism.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/media/2018/08/today-programme-gives-far-right-raheem-kassam-platform-defend-tommy-robinson

Much as you are trying to do.

As for the other link:

Join us in thanking President Trump and the First Lady

Did you?

josh

More on Kassam:

In July 2019, the Australian Labor Party called for Kassam to be banned from entering the country. Shadow Home Affairs Minister Senator Kristina Keneally said "We should not allow career bigots — a person who spreads hate speech about Muslims, about women, about gay and lesbian people — to enter our country with the express intent of undermining equity and equality."

In October 2019, Kassam began co-hosting War Room: Impeachment, a daily radio show and podcast with Steve Bannon, to nudge the White House and its allies into taking a more focused and aggressive posture to counteract the impeachment inquiry against Donald Trump.

While ballots were being counted in the 2020 election, Kassam promoted false claims by Donald Trump intended to cast doubt on the legitimacy of the election.

 

NDPP

No shortage of rogues in the American political class Dem or Repug. Can't follow this storyline without running into them. Had I the time or inclination I could just as easily examine one of your WaPo or New York Times' reporters' histories and find them in service to political agendas every bit as disgusting, Yanqui.

"It's been amazing to watch how in the Trump age, onetime liberals have become the country's strongest defenders of censorship..."

https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1336825533301223425

NDPP

Texas Attorney General

https://twitter.com/TXAG/status/1336811988043902978

"I commend the 17 states that filed an amicus brief in support of Texas's lawsuit. Battleground states compromised the integrity of the 2020 election and we must fight for safe, free and fair elections. View a copy of the brief here..."

josh

NDPP wrote:

No shortage of rogues in the American political class Dem or Repug. Can't follow this storyline without running into them. Had I the time or inclination I could just as easily examine one of your WaPo or New York Times' reporters' histories and find them in service to political agendas every bit as disgusting, Yanqui.

"It's been amazing to watch how in the Trump age, onetime liberals have become the country's strongest defenders of censorship..."

https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1336825533301223425

Ok tankie.  There's no shortage of fascists for you to defend.

kropotkin1951

josh wrote:

RT doing its usual lying for its beloved Donald Trump.

You are brainwashed and have no perspective except the one presented to you by the most effect propaganda machine on the planet. An arrogant myopic American view that tries to stifle any opposition to the lie that the US is a progressive force in the world.

josh

Wow.  I'm all that? I guess I never realized what "progressive forces" Trump and Putin are.

kropotkin1951

That Trump is not a progressive force in the world is something you understand as does NDPP. What you don't fucking understand is that Biden is not a progressive force nor was Obama nor was Clinton. The Bushes were also murderous imperialists. It seems you come on this board primarily to attack any Canadian voices who are not centrist enough for your myopic US world view.

Go ahead tell me which MSM US news agencies you would recommend since you claim the RT is not to be trusted. You dismiss most alternates to the US media so tell me who do you get your daily propaganda from?

JKR

NDPP wrote:

Texas Attorney General

https://twitter.com/TXAG/status/1336811988043902978

"I commend the 17 states that filed an amicus brief in support of Texas's lawsuit. Battleground states compromised the integrity of the 2020 election and we must fight for safe, free and fair elections. View a copy of the brief here..."

The Trump Cult of Personalty is getting more unhinged by the minute! How much more Kool-aid will they be able to drink before they explode?

josh

kropotkin1951 wrote:

That Trump is not a progressive force in the world is something you understand as does NDPP. What you don't fucking understand is that Biden is not a progressive force nor was Obama nor was Clinton. The Bushes were also murderous imperialists. It seems you come on this board primarily to attack any Canadian voices who are not centrist enough for your myopic US world view. Go ahead tell me which MSM US news agencies you would recommend since you claim the RT is not to be trusted. You dismiss most alternates to the US media so tell me who do you get your daily propaganda from?

LOL.  What does any of that have to do with posting right-wing, pro-fascist propaganda on a progressive site.  I know what he's trying to do, apparently you don't.  And you have no more of an idea where I stand.

melovesproles

Go ahead tell me which MSM US news agencies you would recommend since you claim the RT is not to be trusted. You dismiss most alternates to the US media so tell me who do you get your daily propaganda from?

I agree that RT is no worse than most mainstream US media and in some cases better. It has value in seeing another angle of how propaganda works from the perspective of a country we see a lot of our propaganda directed against.

I also think NDPP posts some good stuff from good sources. But what is the point of posting this:

Why Every Legal Vote Matters

https://everylegalvote.com/home

"Every Legal Vote is a citizen coalition using reports, affidavits and math to answer the key 2020 election questions: Was there fraud, was it widespread, and did it impact the outcome of the election? Help us preserve election integrity..."

 

Here's the evidence of widespread election fraud

https://thenationalpulse.com/politics/schaffer-election-fraud/

"...The evidence these three whistleblowers presented is extensive, and compelling. It demands further investigation so that the American people can know for certain whether our election process was compromised. There's no shortage of evidence, no matter how profusely mainstream media reporters insist otherwise..."

How does any of that help with anything slightly progressive or left wing? These are websites promoting the common rightwing trope that the problem with democracy is that poor people and people of colour are having too many of their votes counted. As if that is the problem with US democracy and not the ubiquitousness of dark money, the gerrymandering of districts or the disenfranchisement of votes through the drug war and the criminalization of poor people. What is the value of  posting this garbage here? Is it just to troll Josh? 

You don't have to be US-centric to get what the above websites are trying to do, although the right in the US are certainly masters at it. This isn't 'alternative media.' This is well-funded right-wing organizations trying to disenfranchise black voters. Pretty gross. And yeah Biden totally sucks.

bekayne

melovesproles wrote:

 

I also think NDPP posts some good stuff from good sources. But what is the point of posting this:

The point? "The enemy of my enemy is my friend".

NDPP

The primary purpose of the postings is to provide an inside overview of this MAGA movement, its positions and projects vis a vis the contested US presidential election.  This is simply not available in msm but can be glimpsed and approached through the links I have provided. Because this developing insurgency also includes Blacks and poor people in significant numbers your contention the linked websites are 'promoting the common rightwing trope that the problem with democracy is that poor people and people of colour are having too many of their votes counted' would be directly contrary to their political project of expanding a grass-roots mass movement and of exposing what they truly believe to be a stolen election. Indeed it sounds far more like typical conventional descriptions from liberal msm than what I've found thus far. And in fact, what is contended is that their votes were NOT counted. Hence 'Why Every Legal Vote Matters.' Many seem not even for Donald Trump but feel they are defending the integrity of the American election system itself. There are many strands involved and it is far more complex and nuanced than most of what we read and hear.

This is a huge story of great splits opening up in the body politic of America. It is a fascinating one full of twists and turns and contradictions that the msm does not begin to do justice to. They push only their 'side' of the story and leave great holes in the other. I post pieces of those holes that are of interest to me thinking it may of interest to others also.  That some here apparently  believe I am secretly prosletizing for White Supremacy, Donald Trump, the Republican Party, Vladimir Putin or 'the right',  is not only wrong but ridiculous.

NDPP

@ Josh

This thread follows a contested 2020 US presidential election which involves two competing narratives, one of which you seek to suppress by calling me 'fascist', 'tankie' or in thrall to Trump and Putin.  Please  dial your Trump derangement syndrome down a notch so that we may return to some semblance of normality.  May I remind you also that you posted  'right-wing, pro-fascist propaganda on this progressive site' for several years in succession in aid of your groundless and demented DNC /msm-stoked conspiracy theories and a toxic McCarthyite obsession with Russia and its supposed Manchurian candidate Trump.

Incidentally, the last time you went off like this was my posting of the Hunter Biden laptop story, at which you again ranted and raved about right wing fake news and a 'Russian disinformation campaign'. Turns out it wasn't at all.  You were wrong.  Again.

Media Disgraceful Trying to Suppress Post's Hunter Biden Reporting

https://nypost.com/2020/12/10/media-disgraceful-trying-to-suppress-posts...

"...In fact the one thing the media weren't interested in was the truth or falsity of the Post's reporting. The message - which they all read off in unison, as if they had all received the same memo - was that the Hunter Files were 'disinformation', possibly planted by the Kremlin, and certainly not worth looking into. And as if all that wasn't enough to quash public debate about a matter of public importance, the Silicon Valley Bros removed the story from the purview of a vast swath of America that primarily gets its news from Twitter and Facebook. All this bodes ill for the media's performance under a Biden administration...

JKR

Republican politicians know that Biden clearly won the election a month ago but Republican politicians also know that they have to support Trump's authoritarianism because Trump will destroy their careers within the Republican Party if they simply tell the obvious truth. Like any would be dictator, Trump will use his power to keep people in line, even if it contradicts reality. Most Republican politicians know full well that Trump's a psychopathic, sadistic, malignant narcissist who is unfit for office. Unfortunately there are also a lot of useful idiots in Trump's cult of personality who aren't able to see through Trump's con. They will buy whatever snake oil Trump's selling. 

josh

NDPP wrote:

@ Josh

This thread follows a contested 2020 US presidential election which involves two competing narratives, one of which you seek to suppress by calling me 'fascist', 'tankie' or in thrall to Trump and Putin.  Please  dial your Trump derangement syndrome down a notch so that we may return to some semblance of normality.  May I remind you also that you posted  'right-wing, pro-fascist propaganda on this progressive site' for several years in succession in aid of your groundless and demented DNC /msm-stoked conspiracy theories and a toxic McCarthyite obsession with Russia and its supposed Manchurian candidate Trump.

Incidentally, the last time you went off like this was my posting of the Hunter Biden laptop story, at which you again ranted and raved about right wing fake news and a 'Russian disinformation campaign'. Turns out it wasn't at all.  You were wrong.  Again.

Media Disgraceful Trying to Suppress Post's Hunter Biden Reporting

https://nypost.com/2020/12/10/media-disgraceful-trying-to-suppress-posts...

"...In fact the one thing the media weren't interested in was the truth or falsity of the Post's reporting. The message - which they all read off in unison, as if they had all received the same memo - was that the Hunter Files were 'disinformation', possibly planted by the Kremlin, and certainly not worth looking into. And as if all that wasn't enough to quash public debate about a matter of public importance, the Silicon Valley Bros removed the story from the purview of a vast swath of America that primarily gets its news from Twitter and Facebook. All this bodes ill for the media's performance under a Biden administration...

Wrong.  Again.  The tax investigation has nothing to do with the NY Post story.  Two separate issues.

The Kremlingate story has been well documented and is set forth in detail in the Mueller Report, among other places.  The Deep State did not force the folks in the Kremlin to hack Democratic computers and distribute their contents in an effort to defeat the Democratic candidate.

Please dial down your posting of right-wing propaganda on a progressive site in, as JKR put it, your the enemy of my enemy is my friend shtick.  Your disingenuous defense that you are posting it because of some dispassionate presentation of the "MAGA movement" is laughable given your posting history in this area.

NDPP

Yes, okay I confess, I'm embarked on a campaign to convert babblers to Trump and Republicanism! Give me a f**king break. Hopeless. You're full of it and free to think whatever narrow stupid rubbish you wish but you'll continue to be wrong.  So be it. Enough.

 

Trump's Rural Rainbow Coalition

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/politico-nightly/2020/12/10/trumps-...

"...What Trump did in Robeson County amounts to a rather stunning rebuke of Democrat messaging and strategy. 'You have a county that's 70 percent minority,' said Donnie Douglas, who was the editor of the Robesonian newspaper for almost a quarter-century, 'that voted for a guy who is perceived by half the country as being a racist..."

According to YouGov 87% of Trump voters think the election was stolen. 4-in-5 Republicans and nearly 9-in-10 Trump voters think fraud flipped the election to Joe Biden - no matter how much corporate media says no evidence of voter fraud exists. For millions 'Stop the Steal' is real. 17 states have filed SCOTUS briefs.  This isn't going to just go away. Seems an obvious thing to actually try and understand something about it.

NDPP

Trump got 11 m more votes (and vid)

https://twitter.com/newsmax/status/1337124929528078336

"Rep Jim Jordan says 'we never had an election where the incumbent President gets 11 million more votes and loses, that hasn't happened in 150 years..."

josh

According to YouGov 87% of Trump voters think the election was stolen. 4-in-5 Republicans and nearly 9-in-10 Trump voters think fraud flipped the election to Joe Biden - no matter how much corporate media says no evidence of voter fraud exists. For millions 'Stop the Steal' is real. 17 states have filed SCOTUS briefs.  This isn't going to just go away. Seems an obvious thing to actually try and understand something about it.

Too bad you don't.  And apparently have learned nothing from history about how authoritarian propaganda works.  Trump is line with authoritarian religio-fascists now in power, such as Netanyahu, Bolsonaro, Erdogan, Orban, Modi and Putin.  It's the gravest threat to democracy and the rule of law since the 1930s and 40s.  But keep on peddling the propaganda.  I've been on babble for 18 years and I've never seen anyone peddle the right-wing horseshit you have.  All the while hiding behind, "I'm just trying to understand it."  

NDPP

Trump is a  hustling clown, a pirate and failed game-show host. COVID 19 will kill 3,000+ a day for possibly the next 3 months.  The country is a mess and heading straight down the shithole. And yet the Democratic machine, most of the media, the US intelligence agencies etc couldn't persuade the American people to choose the Dem over the clown and so made up a fantastical nonsense that it was all Russia's fault. In fact it was a godawful candidate that actually made the clown look better.  This time around there's another who almost repeated the trick. The duopoly Dems are every bit as crooked and corrupt as the Republicans. As for your worldview according to WaPo/ NYT' good luck with that. I'll pass. Have a nice day.

josh

These Trump loyalists are acting like the Jim Crow governors did after the Brown decision. They lied, stood in the doorways & filed phony objections, but history walked right past them. It will happen again to these 18 AG’s & 106 members of Congress.

https://twitter.com/RevDrBarber/status/1337242623204061185?s=20

kropotkin1951

melovesproles wrote:

I also think NDPP posts some good stuff from good sources. But what is the point of posting this:

You don't have to be US-centric to get what the above websites are trying to do, although the right in the US are certainly masters at it. This isn't 'alternative media.' This is well-funded right-wing organizations trying to disenfranchise black voters. Pretty gross. And yeah Biden totally sucks.

Everyday I scroll through pages of shit from CNN, Washington Post, Globe and Mail etc etc etc posted by people like North Report and others. WTF does any of that have to do with anything progressive. If you haven't noticed I never say anything when people call NDPP for posting from some sides of the political spectrum but only when someone has the audacity to puppet the imperial line that RT is state media while the CBC and BBC are not.

I find that if I read a far left biased report and a far right biased report and the authorized MSM version I can usually figure out what is going on. The emphasis of each viewpoint tends to highlight facts that are obfuscated by the others leading to clarity of insight.

JKR

NDPP wrote:

Trump got 11 m more votes (and vid)

https://twitter.com/newsmax/status/1337124929528078336

"Rep Jim Jordan says 'we never had an election where the incumbent President gets 11 million more votes and loses, that hasn't happened in 150 years..."

The U.S. has also never had a president as awful and unfit for office as Trump. That's why over 80 million voters voted against him and for Biden.

bekayne

NDPP wrote:

According to YouGov 87% of Trump voters think the election was stolen. 4-in-5 Republicans and nearly 9-in-10 Trump voters think fraud flipped the election to Joe Biden - no matter how much corporate media says no evidence of voter fraud exists. 

Not the corporate media they watch.

josh

Supreme Court rejects Texas lawsuit challenging @JoeBiden win! It's over, over! Only thing left for @realDonaldTrump & his lunatic band of treasonous men is military option. If you think he's not considering it, you don't know him! It won't work. Frankenstein is finally finished!

https://twitter.com/cenkuygur/status/1337570557160669186?s=20

 

josh

However tempting it may be to revel in #trump’s repeated losing effort to steal an election he so clearly lost, we should instead be alarmed by his acolytes’ willingness to trample democracy to gratify a lying blowhard’s ego.

https://twitter.com/stephenWalt/status/1337584003638042626?s=20

NDPP

Justices throw out Texas lawsuit that sought to block election outcome

https//www.scotusblog.com/2020/12/justices-throw-out-texas-lawsuit-that-sought-...

"...In a brief order issued just before 6:30 pm, the justices explained that Texas lacked a legal right to sue, known as standing, and did not have a legal interest in how other states carried out their elections. As a result the court rejected Texas' lawsuit without considering the merits of the state's case.

With the Electoral College vote slated to take place in just three days, Friday's order as a practical matter puts a stop to efforts to contest the results of the election through litigation. It's less clear, however, that the order can end the partisan divide in the country..."

NDPP

Media treatment of potentially Watergate-sized Hunter Biden saga reeks of hypocrisy

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/rex-murphy-hunter-biden-saga-reeks-of-m...

"...This was journalistic TNT. A presidential race could be decided on the truth or falsity of the story. Consider its elements. A presidential election. Substantial allegations of influence peddling by the likely winning candidate. Traffic with China. Payments of $50,000 a month for consulting work from Ukrainian energy company Burisma. Deals with Chinese enterprises. And the New York Post, one of America's most venerable newspapers, gave it headline space. What followed...? In sum: The news and media establishment declared the Hunter  Biden story off limits, unworthy of air time or headline, not to be broadcast. And added to the embargo the pure garbage assertion that it was all a Russian plot anyway.

As one genuine reporter asked very recently: 'Will anyone in the media who claimed this was a Russian disinformation plot suffer any professional consequences for making what is now such an obviously false claim in service to a partisan interest? Answer: No.

Try to digest this. This wasn't a government shutting the press down. It was the press shutting the press down. They blocked a Watergate-sized story. They saw their 'duty' as journalists as being to 'not' report, not investigate, not release a story that might pivot the election of a president. Well done, truth-to-power knights..."

Sound familiar?

NDPP

" Start with the headline: Supporting the 2020 US Election. You Tube in its company blog can't even say 'Banning Election Conspiracy Theories.' They have to employ the Orwellian language of politicians - Healthy Forests, Clear Skies, 'Supported' Elections -  because Google and YouTube are now political actors who can't speak plainly any more than a drunk can walk in a straight line.

If you want a population of people to stop thinking an election was stolen from them, it's hard to think of a worse method than ordering a news blackout after it's just been demonstrated that the last major blackout was a fraud..."

The YouTube Ban is Un-American, Wrong and Will Backfire

https://taibbi.substack.com/p/the-youtube-ban-is-un-american-wrong

Actually it''s very American. North American too. Seems to be a fast-growing trend this narrative control -  and supported by those you might least expect...

josh

The Obama Administration wanted to regulate google, etc. as a public utility.  Republicans fought tooth and nail against it, and it didn't happen.

josh

And the New York Post, one of America's most venerable newspapers.

ROTFL

josh

MAGA idiots calling for the Insurrection Act which empowers the President of the United States to deploy U.S. military and federalized National Guard troops within the United States. Because that's how sociopath fascists roll.

https://twitter.com/TheTweetwit/status/1337709057562406914?s=20

 

josh

"I don't know who's going to the White House in 38 days but I sure know this: Joe Biden is a globalist and Joe Biden will be removed, one way or another" - Alex Jones at today's Trump rally in DC.

Alex Jones scream-ranting about the Satanic globalists and microchips and the Second Coming of Christ. Says satantic forces are trying to steal the greatest victory and realignment since 1776.

https://mobile.twitter.com/RightWingWatch/status/1337819414708817920

 

NorthReport

All these right-wing freaks that NDPP is constantly promoting here at rabble of all places is just going to make it easy for Biden to look very good. Sad but true.

JKR

NDPP wrote:

Justices throw out Texas lawsuit that sought to block election outcome

Only Trump's fascist cult thinks the insane Texas lawsuit had any merit whatsoever. Fascist Trump and his fascist cult have no respect nor understanding of the rule of law and the basic tenets of human rights and democracy.

NDPP

 Texas GOP Suggests Seceding from the US following SCOTUS Rejection

https://www.wfla.com/news/national/texas-gop-suggests-seceding-from-the-...

"This decision will have far-reaching ramifications for the future of our constitutional republic. Perhaps law-abiding states should bond together and form a Union of States that will abide by the constitution..."

 

 

Million Maga March - Jericho Rally in Washington DC 12/12/20

https://youtu.be/wpTp2sRuf7o

Stop the Steal DC: 'One nation under god - a mustering of the troops...'

 

DC Rallies: Million Maga March:

https://youtu.be/TQ0imduTI1Y

Lt Gen Mike Flynn: 'We're waging a battle across America based on a desire to breath the fresh air of liberty.."

 

'May I never wake up from the American dream.'  - Carrie Latet -

https://youtu.be/TKAwPA14Ni4

kropotkin1951

NDPP wrote:

'May I never wake up from the American dream.'  - Carrie Latet -

https://youtu.be/TKAwPA14Ni4

You had this old YIPPIE reaching for the acid relief.

josh

The greatest danger to America is the naive belief that there is something unique that guarantees America will remain a democratic civil society. Much of a major party has turned against democracy. It’s foolish to believe that doesn’t have consequences.

https://twitter.com/stuartpstevens/status/1338227428649398272?s=20

Historic D.C. Black churches attacked during pro-Trump rallies Saturday

NDPP

Much of both major parties have turned against Democracy - some time ago actually. Not to mention international law etc. America has been a rogue state for quite some time. Funny how many liberal lefties still fervently support it and all its evil works (as long as they're democrat) nonetheless.

Mobo2000

RE: post 379 -- "I find that if I read a far left biased report and a far right biased report and the authorized MSM version I can usually figure out what is going on. The emphasis of each viewpoint tends to highlight facts that are obfuscated by the others leading to clarity of insight."

I think this is the required method for our current media landscape.   And it's good for progressives to see what the right is saying about itself and the left, it it's own words.   We cannot trust the MSM to fairly or accurately present the views of marginal groups on the left or the right.   I may join NDPP in posting the occasional right wing source here.

 

Mobo2000

Not right wing sources below, but revealing of the bi-partisan consensus around war and empire in Washington.  Trump's threat to veto, while spun as primarily concern for social media liability, clearly has a military element, which is why the NDAA was adjusted to restrict congress or the president from withdrawing troups until the Pentagon provides an assessment of how this would affect US security.  These sorts of fissures, between a right wing nutter outgoing president, and the establishment consensus, should be informative for the left.   There's stuff to dig into here. 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-defense-trump/trump-revives-threa...

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/12/11/senate-passes-defense-bill-444579

 

 

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

Mobo, I don't think there's anything new or surprising in those articles. Both U.S. parties have been fully captured by the the military industrial complex at least since Eisenhower warned about it in his farewell speech. The first presidential election I remember clearly was 1960, in which one of Kennedy's main points in arguing against Nixon was a fictional "missile gap". Eisenhower and Nixon just hadn't been generous enough in their military funding, resulting in grave danger for the U.S.

Trump is only appearing to oppose some of the wars because he hopes it will please some of his supporters, but he is a total hypocrite on this subject. He has inflated the military budget even more quickly than his predecessors, and brags about it constantly. He also has a record of loudly threatening war, as he did with North Korea before he and Kim Jong Un fell in love, and as he did with Iran several times in the last year. He is no ally of the peaceniks.

It has always been the challenge of the American left to break through this bipartisan wall of imperialist war supporters. Some think a new party is necessary, some think a hostile takeover of the Dem party would be more feasible. I have posted links to several left analyses of this conundrum in the last year, so it isn't something new or surprising.

As far as most of the right wing trash NDPP has been posting, it would be fine if it were preceded by a sentence that said "Look at the crazy lies these right wing outlets are putting out. What a shame that so many gullible people believe it." But he doesn't do that, he just quotes it without comment, inviting the reader to see it as "This is the other side of the dispute, which the left is ignoring" rather  than "This is a set of outrageous lies which many right wingers unfortunately believe."

NDPP

That's rich coming from someone who promotes bogus right wing Russiagate agit-prop as relentlessly as you do. Michael.

So, what possible reason could  82% of Trump voters and some Dems have to suspect reported results of the 2020 US elections?

Iowa Audit Blames DNC Meddling for Caucus Catastrophe

https://youtu.be/BfVTSYqQjjU

"...82% of Trump voters don't buy the results of the election because of a mistrust in our system over time."

 

It's been one hell of a year in the US and it's not over with yet

https://journal-neo.org/2020/12/09/it-s-been-one-hell-of-a-year-in-the-u...

"In light of everything that transpired during its run up, the recent US elections have really opened a Pandora's Box. The mainstream media continue to totally dismiss claims of voting irregularities and fraud, without being willing to address the fact that the thing is remotely possible...Why is it necessary to look elsewhere, to 'off the wall' outlets for alternative views on the election? Some of their insights into election cyber-security, diverting votes by electronic means, Dominion Voting Machines, and old fashioned vote-rigging is starting to make sense, and a democracy should be concerned about such claims, not treat them as part of sour rhetoric..."

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

NDPP wrote:

That's rich coming from someone who promotes bogus right wing Russiagate agit-prop as relentlessly as you do. Michael.

My sources on the issue of the hacking of the DNC network have been neither right nor left wing, but the best technical opinions from the best network security experts I could find. Being a software developer myself, I know how to read server logs, and I know how to understand technical discussions of this sort of matter.

Your sources on the other hand are without exception political and ideological, including not a single network security professional. And just to pre-empt your expected response, William Binney was never a computer expert. He was a talented mathematician, skilled in cryptography and intelligence analysis. However, in his later years, he has become increasingly eccentric, for example, appearing on Info Wars, the podcast of the notorious conspiracy originator and spreader, Alex Jones. A sad end for a smart and principled person.

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