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Chris Hedges on BIden vs Trump...

https://youtu.be/elJwNiAgcmA

 

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Bernie says opposing Biden is 'irresponsible'.

NDPP

Quite aside from whether he's right or wrong, it's his sheep-dog role to say so and unlike the American people, he will be suitably rewarded by the Democratic Party for playing that role so well.

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NDPP wrote:

Quite aside from whether he's right or wrong, it's his sheep-dog role to say so and unlike the American people, he will be suitably rewarded by the Democratic Party for playing that role so well.

You can disagree with Sanders' decision, but are you seriously suggesting that he has spent 40 years as an outsider just so that he could get a plum job at age 79? I find that ridiculous.

NDPP

Find it however you like. I didn't say plum job I said suitably rewarded. He might only get a pat on the head from sleazy Joe but he has clearly done the party/state some service and they know it.

josh
contrarianna

Michael Moriarity wrote:

NDPP wrote:

Quite aside from whether he's right or wrong, it's his sheep-dog role to say so and unlike the American people, he will be suitably rewarded by the Democratic Party for playing that role so well.

You can disagree with Sanders' decision, but are you seriously suggesting that he has spent 40 years as an outsider just so that he could get a plum job at age 79? I find that ridiculous.

The ad hominem attack on Sanders is unwarranted.
Some may imagine that there is good government just around the corner if just a few more people realize they should opt out of the duopoly, magically creating a decent non-corporate government instead.
Do they really believe that the security state with their near seamless corporate controlled paper and electronic propaganda will be thrown out by a wave of enlightened masses? Any chaos that results in the collapse of the corrupt duopolistic system will not result in a revolution, but a retrenchment and total dictatorship of the security state.

Neither do I have Chomsky's (at least in public) optimism that positive changes will incrementally improve with "a lesser evil" Democratic government. What is probable is that the destruction will not accelerate as much as it has under Trump, in many major areas. At best it is "flattening the curve" of viral corporatism with no recovery in sight.

The previous post link to Trump's environmental destruction and deregulation would almost certainly not have happened to that degree under a Democratic government with its slightly more environmentally conscious base. For those not patting themselves on the head for their own ideological purity, that alone should be sufficient moral reason, at least in swing states, to vote for a Democratic government.

Mobo2000

Contrianna :  "Do they really believe that the security state with their near seamless corporate controlled paper and electronic propaganda will be thrown out by a wave of enlightened masses?"

This is a curious question.   I very much appreciate your posts and take on politics here, but I am a little struck by the nihilism above.    To me one of the most hopeful signs in recent years has been the rising distrust in mainstream media among both the populist left and right, and the corresponding rise in independent and critical media.   Mass communication technologies may give us the best chance at an "enlightened mass" humans have ever had.   Or a herd of asses, who knows?

I also don't know what I would do as an American voter chosing between the two halves of the shit sandwich that are Trump and Biden.   I'd most likely end up voting as you and Chomsky would like, but I don't consider the choice between the two to be as existential as the partisan media, and you, are suggesting.   It's not obvious to me that the Democratic party would be better on foreign policy than Trump and the Republicans.   To take the example you gave above:  "Trump's environmental destruction and deregulation would almost certainly not have happened to that degree under a Democratic government with its slightly more environmentally conscious base."     I agree with this.

Would you agree that Trump's relatively noninterventionist foreign policy would almost certainly not happened under a Democratic government with its base that is slightly more Russiaphobic and slightly more willing to support humanitarian interventions?   

I've no grand point here, my brain is not at it's best, quarantine no doubt.   But I am surprised by your take on lesser-evilism in this regard.    I worry the Democrats have been, under Obama, and will be in future, far better salesmen for the security state to their own citizens and to the world than the Republicans could be.    (EDIT) All of which is to say, I have much sympathy for 3rd party voters or people who abstain.    

NorthReport

Ex-Trump adviser Michael Flynn charges of lying to FBI 'to be dropped'

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52584193

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Ex-Trump adviser Michael Flynn charges of lying to FBI 'to be dropped'

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52584193

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Matt Taibbi: FBI Set Up Against Mike Flynn Exposed (and vid)

https://youtu.be/1ppMzbmJQhY

"Author and reporter for Rolling Stone, Matt Taibbi shares insight on newly released documents about the government's handling of Michael Flynn's case and 'Russiagate'..."

josh

More Trump/Barr corruption.  Of course celebrated by the RussBots of the world.  Here is Flynn's guilty plea.

https://www.justice.gov/file/1015126/download

NorthReport

It seems like it might be between Harris and Klobuchar for Biden's running mate.

josh

Think it will be Harris.

NorthReport

Regardless who said it, it resonates.

Joe Biden is like taking a dying flashlight for a looong walk in some dark woods.

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contrarianna wrote:

At best it is "flattening the curve" of viral corporatism with no recovery in sight.

I love this analogy. Thanks!

NDPP

The Jimmy Dore Show

https://youtu.be/qGeKIf8Sojc

"Biden sold out Democrats for $200K."

 

The Jimmy Dore Show

https://youtu.be/Hll8HNyLuaY

"Bernie betrays grassroots again says activists..."

 

'Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.'  -proverb-

'There's a sucker born every minute.' - PT Barnum

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..all the democrats have is defeating trump. can anyone believe that's going to be enough?

Sanders Is Back On The NY Primary Ballot

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One would think that the urgency of evicting Trump from office would just carry forward just a tremendous, if not unanimity at least enormous agreement among vast numbers of progressives at the base that hey, if you’re in a swing state, you may not like Biden, you might despise Biden, but we’re able to differentiate between Biden and Trump and more broadly between Democratic and Republican president. Just look at the Supreme Court. It’s empirical. You don’t have to theorize about it.

And so at the same time, there’s so much revulsion at Biden’s record that we do have this uncertainty. I just sort of sum up by saying that USA Today published a poll a few days ago, 22% of Bernie Sanders supporters said they’re not committed to voting for Biden. That ought to set off alarm bells in the Biden campaign.

Marc Steiner: Let’s pick up that point. I mean, this is what we just talked about here. If you look at what you were just describing, Norman, the history here of politics in America in the last 50 years, people will say, well look, what do you mean? Bill Clinton is the one who started locking up all black and brown people in America. He’s the one who started this neo kind of liberal, conservative bent. Hillary Clinton, you were for the war in Iraq. Joe Biden, his record’s right there. And so people are saying, what are you trying to convince me of here and how do you do it? I’ll make this very personal. As I said to you, Norm, before we went on the air, and Marcus, I may have said this to you before, with two of my daughters I’m having this conversation. They’re saying, “I’m not sure I can vote for Biden. I’m not sure what to do,” because of who he represents to them. The divide is that deep.

NorthReport

Chomsky: COVID-19 Has Exposed the US Under Trump as a “Failed State”

World leaders’ approval rating has soared as a result of their handling of the coronavirus crisis, with the exception of Donald Trump. Could coronavirus be the determinant element that will put an end to four years of a nightmarish scenario written, directed, produced and carried out by the most dangerous buffoon this country has had for president? Trump’s Waterloo, so to speak?

https://truthout.org/articles/chomsky-covid-19-has-exposed-the-us-under-trump-as-a-failed-state/

Cody87

Mobo2000 wrote:

 It's not obvious to me that the Democratic party would be better on foreign policy than Trump and the Republicans.   To take the example you gave above:  "Trump's environmental destruction and deregulation would almost certainly not have happened to that degree under a Democratic government with its slightly more environmentally conscious base."     I agree with this.

I actually disagree with this. Obama got away with abuses of power that would make Bush and Trump blush - and this includes the massive expansion of fracking in the U.S. and, according to Jimmy Dore, the expansion of oil drilling in the arctic. This is just one of many fronts. And Obama got away with it because the American corporate media is heavily Democrat (obviously only excepting Fox News). The American corporate media actually challenges Republicans, which helps to bring awareness to their abuses.

It is also clear that in the unlikely scenario where Joe Biden is the next president, he would get a similar pass. It can already be seen in the relative absence of coverage of Tara Reade's accusations.

The uniparty functions by having the Republicans do things that Democrats can't get away with, like increasing deficits, while the Democrats do things that Republicans can't get away with, like establishing inhumane detainment centres on the southern border. Where did all the anti-war protestors go once Obama got elected? The same pattern happens in Canada.

NorthReport

The problem with the above analysis is that corporate media's raison-d'etre is for advertising, advertising, and more advertising. The vast majority of news articles are just fluff (entertainment) to fill in the blank spaces between the ads. If anyting, this is a time for empathy from political leaders (one of the main reasons for the huge support for the go slow approach to Covid-19 in BC), and on that issue alone, Trump has seriously failed the American people, let alone all the rest of us. Not condoning in any way Biden's past sexual history, but considering the vast number of sexual-related complaints made about Trump, can one in all seriousness compare the two?  

Here is a recent US news article about their Supreme Court. And there could be hundreds more like it. Does anyone for one second think it is going to change anything  if a new Supreme Court Justice needed to be appointed in the near future?

Republicans Say They’d Break Rule They Invented to Derail Obama’s SCOTUS Pic

https://truthout.org/articles/republicans-say-theyd-break-rule-they-invented-to-derail-obamas-scotus-pick/

NDPP

NorthReport wrote:

 corporate media's raison-d'etre is for advertising, advertising, and more advertising. The vast majority of news articles are just fluff (entertainment) to fill in the blank spaces between the ads.

NDPP wrote:

That's a keeper! (I agree...)

NorthReport

At least here is some kind of a proper role model for Americans dealing with Covid-19

Fauci to begin 'modified quarantine'

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/09/politics/fauci-modified-quarantine-coronavirus/index.html

 

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Atlanta Mayor Calls Arbery Killing a “Lynching,” Says Trump Rhetoric Emboldens Racists

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/05/atlanta-mayor-bottoms-arbery-killing-lynching-trump.html

josh
Aristotleded24

josh wrote:
How the Russians could hack the campaign again.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/06/putin-american-democracy/610570/

Because it's Russia's fault that the Democrats and the media propped up a horrible candidate who has been credibly accused of sexual assault and is not in control of his cognitive faculties when they had a much stronger candidate available. Got it.

NorthReport

People need to question the motives of anyone who would support Trump

Multiple vaccines and global approach needed to fight coronavirus, say top US scientists

  • The researchers, including White House task force member Anthony Fauci, set out why coordinated international approach is necessary
  • The paper goes against Donald Trump’s go-it-alone approach

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3084060/multiple-vaccines-and-global-approach-needed-fight-coronavirus

NDPP

Biden Ridin' The Pandemic to the White House, Trump to Take Hit For Neoliberalism's Failures

https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/05/12/biden-ridin-the-pandemic-to-the-...

"The world is amidst the COVID-19 crisis and in our corner of the planet a presidential campaign is reduced to a single issue: Trump/not Trump. Pick your poison. A ruling class consensus is coalescing that Trump will be the fall guy, blamed for the increasingly undeniable defects of the neoliberal model. Let Trump take the hit for his obvious mismanagement of the crisis, while leaving intact the underlying structural imperatives of the neoliberal state's failing to provide for the public welfare. That is their solution to avoid addressing a solution. The fix is in..."

josh

Aristotleded24 wrote:

josh wrote:
How the Russians could hack the campaign again.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/06/putin-american-democracy/610570/

Because it's Russia's fault that the Democrats and the media propped up a horrible candidate who has been credibly accused of sexual assault and is not in control of his cognitive faculties when they had a much stronger candidate available. Got it.

Repeating RussianRepublican talking points.  All the while ignoring the article. Got it.  
 

The party's voters chose Biden.  Like it or not.

NDPP

Still think the pesky Russkies are after your precious bodily fluids yanqui? Didn't get the dem memo that dog don't hunt no mo and it's yellow-peril China that is now Amurrikkkan enemy numero uno?

Biden And Trump Battle Over 'Who is Weak on China'

https://www.npr.org/2020/04/22/840558299/biden-and-trump-battle-over-who...

"Trump didn't hold China accountable': Joe Biden

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josh wrote:

Aristotleded24 wrote:

josh wrote:
How the Russians could hack the campaign again.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/06/putin-american-democracy/610570/

Because it's Russia's fault that the Democrats and the media propped up a horrible candidate who has been credibly accused of sexual assault and is not in control of his cognitive faculties when they had a much stronger candidate available. Got it.

Repeating RussianRepublican talking points.  All the while ignoring the article. Got it.  
 

The party's voters chose Biden.  Like it or not.

The article is very scary.

 

NorthReport

Agreed Misfit.

Many things we had thought would never happen if Trump won the Presidency have happened, so unless Trump is convinced that he will win re-election, all bets are off.

Jared Kushner Can’t Say for Sure if We’ll Have an Election on Nov. 3

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/05/trump-kushner-postpone-november-election-pandemic-coronavirus.html

NorthReport

 

Whistleblower: US still lacks virus plan, Americans at risk

https://apnews.com/8aeaca61de22fc20907c192c75cb9448

Aristotleded24

josh wrote:
Repeating RussianRepublican talking points.

What part of my post is factually incorrect? Why after decades of being demonized as Soviet communists are people on a left-wing discussion board suddenly using McArthyite smears against people? That kind of foreign scapegoating gets into very dangerous territory.

josh wrote:
The party's voters chose Biden.  Like it or not.

And the Democratic Party is fundamentally at odds with the values of many left-wing Americans.

In any case, Biden is the nominee. Look for him to lose big time to Trump next Fall, with Trump taking states that Hillary won in 2016 and taking the popular vote with him.

I'm sorry to have to report this, and I know many people will hate me for saying that. Unfortunately I think that is the reality.

NDPP

 Perhaps not. Trump may be held largely responsible for the failure of the US pandemic response but also for the deep economic depression which follows. Even a candidate as odious and corrupt as Joe Biden could stand a good chance of beating him as a result. As always in such matters much will depend on money and media.

 

Biden Embraces Trump's Effort to Blame China For COVID-19

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/05/14/bide-m14.html

The campaign of Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden has produced a TV advertisement echoing the Trump administration's false claims that China misled the world about COVID-19, and that Beijing bears responsiblity for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people. Biden's statements are part of a deepening orientation of all sections of the US political establishment toward conflict with China, which is only being intensified by the COVID-19 pandemic.

Biden's embrace of Trump's anti-Chinese narrative - and attempt to turn it against Trump himself - is a variation of the right-wing political line the Democratic Party has pursued since Trump's election. In 2016, the Democrats centered their criticism of Trump on the charge that he was insufficiently aggressive against Russia. The bipartisan campaign to blame China for the COVID-19 pandemic is aimed at deflecting mounting social tensions outward through the creation of a common enemy..."

 

'After 3 years of 'Russia, Russia, Russia', the US is now infatuated with blaming China for all its problems...'

https://twitter.com/RaniaKhalek/status/1260991635812483072

NorthReport
NorthReport

Idiotic Trump supporting Texas decided to defy the scientists and are now paying the COVID-19 price

Texas Cases Jump Two Weeks Into Reopening (5:33 p.m. NY)

Texas saw its deadliest day and its biggest increase in new cases since the start of the outbreak. The second most populous U.S. state added 1,448 new cases to its rolls on Thursday, outpacing the previous peak of 1,441 on April 10, state health department data showed. Fatalities climbed by 58 to more than 1,200, the largest-ever daily increase.

The surge in new cases comes two weeks into Governor Greg Abbott’s controversial moves to reopen the economy and ease restrictions that shuttered vast swaths of commercial and social life for weeks.

https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/jump-seen-child-blood-disease-025339701.html

NorthReport
NorthReport

What will Trump say if China first discovers the vaccine?

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It is not a matter of who discovers it first. The time is spent testing the vaccines for safety and then getting the sizeable quantity produced in order to innoculate the entire populations of the globe. There is enough market there to satisfy everybody.

contrarianna

Mobo2000 wrote:

Contrianna :  "Do they really believe that the security state with their near seamless corporate controlled paper and electronic propaganda will be thrown out by a wave of enlightened masses?"

This is a curious question.   I very much appreciate your posts and take on politics here, but I am a little struck by the nihilism above.    To me one of the most hopeful signs in recent years has been the rising distrust in mainstream media among both the populist left and right, and the corresponding rise in independent and critical media.   Mass communication technologies may give us the best chance at an "enlightened mass" humans have ever had.   Or a herd of asses, who knows?.... 

Thanks for your reply. Sorry to be slow responding.  As far as my nihilism  I'll leave that for you to decide. I'm certainly not "optimistic"--whether that means I'm being "pessimistic" or, as I would prefer, "realistic", is also a matter of opinion.

There are definitely positive elements in the alternate streams of information.  The current availability of thoughtful dissenting journalism is indeed encouraging when one compares it to the past when there were so few in the costly print media. For the 60's, for example, one thinks of Ramparts, the I.F, Stone Weekly, or for a time, the Village Voice, and a few others energized by the Vietnam war and the draft. The ease with which dissenting information can now be electronically accessed is remarkable, but so is being buried in a snowstorm of dubious dross and partisan inanity.

The current level of distrust in the corporate MSM is well deserved, but how much of that reflects an evidentuary and progressive evaluation of stories and their sources rather than a hostile tribal war between the duopoly's polarized political camps which embrace one camp's hyped false narrative over its rival camp's false narrative? Stories about the current level of distrust of the MSM rarely break down the hostility to party polarized and selective hostility in the disinformation wars. Also online there is a pervasive twitter culture which, rather than evidence and discussion, descends into partisan one-line jibes, also commonplace on Babble.

Dissenting online sites survive at the tolerance level of the corporate controllers (ISPs and media giants Apple, Google, facebook, twitter, etc) and the legalistic control of their partnered security state(s). The noose has been tightening, de-ranking by Google which helps to make invisible valid dissenting views, while choking their support revenue streams. Valid dissent is increasingly suppressed along with actual false information. There is not much pushback from many self-styled progressives partly because polarization has made the censorious targeting of enemies and their platforms cheered.  Increased censorship is normalized in principle and in fact across the acceptable political spectrum --objected to inconsistently only when one's own side is targeted.

A downside of skepticism of the MSM is also reflected in the slow response, especially in the US, to social distancing and work-from-home recommendations which has contributed greatly to the US having nearly a third of the world's cases. Although denialism and inaction of the Trump administration and gormless followers are much to blame, a more generalized distrust in the sensationalized threats foisted on readers readers as part of the corporate media business model is certainly a factor.  Media which hypes every reported health threat is often followed by another media refutation. As with all major fear-driven narratives it guarantees a vast pool of engaged viewers and clicks no matter how trivial or dubious much of the often politicized coverage of covid may be.

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I also don't know what I would do as an American voter chosing between the two halves of the shit sandwich that are Trump and Biden.   I'd most likely end up voting as you and Chomsky would like, but I don't consider the choice between the two to be as existential as the partisan media, and you, are suggesting.

I don't embrace a partisan media's heightened contrast between the two slices of the Lunch Special, its more like arguing about the fuel level in your jetliner with broken landing gear circling the airport. I'd opt for more fuel and time, perhaps irrationally. The unprecedented acceleration of environmental destruction and deregulation under the Trump administration is enough alone for me to prefer a Democrat run government which, though certainly on the corporatism destruction bandwagon, would weakly respond to their public base.

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Would you agree that Trump's relatively noninterventionist foreign policy would almost certainly not happened under a Democratic government with its base that is slightly more Russiaphobic and slightly more willing to support humanitarian interventions?

Trump's non-intervention was largely the con man's fiction used to sell his candidacy to voters weary of endless war and its costs. Though he has (so far) not started any new major wars he has supported coups, assassinations, proxy wars and ramped up deadly sanctions against US geopolitical rivals, the major ones being China and Russia. The Trumpian "America First" slogan does not mean non-interventionism (or "isolationism" as some military interventionist critics would claim) but rather "America uber alles" the easiest path to Trump's  non-ideoloogical "Me First".  Trump's actions have more recently gained qualified approval from some aggressive neocons:

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The Neocons Strike Back
How a discredited foreign policy ideology continues to wreak havoc in Washington and around the world
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At a minimum, the traditional Republican hard-line foreign policy approach has now fused with neoconservatism so that the two are virtually indistinguishable. At a maximum, neoconservatism shapes the dominant foreign policy worldview in Washington, which is why Democrats were falling over themselves to assure voters that Soleimani—a “bad guy”—had it coming. Any objections that his killing might boomerang back on the U.S. are met with cries from the right that Democrats are siding with the enemy. This truly is a policy of “maximum pressure” at home and abroad.

As Trump takes an extreme hard line against Iran, the neoconservatives may ultimately get their long-held wish of a war with the ayatollahs. When it ends in a fresh disaster, they can always argue that it only failed because it wasn’t prosecuted vigorously enough—and the shuffle will begin again.

https://newrepublic.com/articl.e/156266/neocons-strike-back

Trump's unprecedented increase in military spending, (approved by Democrats of course) anti-China brinkmanship, the tearing up of treaties with Iran and Russia and are extremely dangerous, the later bringing on a new tactical nukes race. This also accompanied by hyper-aggressive economic lawfare. The Journal of Atomic Scientists doomsday clock has advanced to an all time high under Trump's reign.

As for a Biden administration, its hard to predict all who will be his team but I doubt it would it would be as bloodthirsty as Hilary Clinton's who if elected may have already started WWIII with her promised all-out intervention in Syria.

Even this Jacobin article attacking Biden, the Hawk gives him a mixed, though still depressing, record:

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To be sure, Biden is no Hillary Clinton when it comes to foreign intervention. He’s registered some antiwar positions from time to time, as when he voted against the first Gulf War or opposed the funding of the Nicaraguan contras in the 1980s. But overall, he’s racked up a track record of supporting overseas adventures....

As for Russiaphobia, that's a difficult call. Under Trump, actual anti-Russian policy has extended previous administration actions: 
25 Times Trump Has Been Dangerously Hawkish On Russia

https://caitlinjohnstone.com/2019/11/18/25-times-trump-has-been-dangerou...

Since Russiagate and Russiaphobia was largely a DNC, security agency, and aligned media construct to delegitimize the Trump presidency (used again for this election) if Trump was actually defeated in the next election the use of Russiaphobia would likely continue to lose steam, at least within the duopoly's partisan bickering, though certainly not for targeting dissent or justifying obscene military spending.

The Democrat elite have been showcasing their anti-Russian merit badges for four years and there is even a possiblility of a limited de-escalation with Russia under a Democratic government (I may be too "optimistic" here given the bipartisan continuity of "the blob"). That's all pure speculation, but one is reminded of the career-creating anti-Communism of Nixon which ultimately allowed him to visit Communist China. There may never be a US push for normalization of relations with its rivals given the standing US policy of global domination which targets any state not in its sphere.

NDPP

'As President, I Will Lead By Empowering the Cuban People...': Joe Biden

https://twitter.com/RaniaKhalek/status/1261466017919877121

"This is disgusting. He's attacking Trump from the right. Cuba is currently sending doctors around the world to fight covid while the US continues starvation sanctions, steals PPE and blocked a global ceasefire. This tweet is pathetic and alarming..."

josh

Aristotleded24 wrote:

josh wrote:
Repeating RussianRepublican talking points.

What part of my post is factually incorrect? Why after decades of being demonized as Soviet communists are people on a left-wing discussion board suddenly using McArthyite smears against people? That kind of foreign scapegoating gets into very dangerous territory.

Where did I call you a communist?

NorthReport
josh

False allegations, followed by contradictory, also false, narratives are the norm in Russian media and political discourse. Misinformation is so prevalent that many Russians are largely indifferent to what is actually true. In Trump’s America, similar tactics are taking hold. What began as a disconcerting nexus between Russia and the reactionary right in this and other countries has become part of the American right-wing repertoire.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/05/17/russia-is-interfering-our-elections-again-trump-supporters-are-emulating-russian-tactics/

kropotkin1951

The Washington Post talking about Russian propaganda as if it is not itself one of America's flagship propaganda sites.  I guess the Russians could have introduced yellow journalism to America, however I didn't understand before that Hearst was Russian

NDPP

re WaPo: 'Russia is Interfering in Our Elections Again'

https://twitter.com/aaronjmate/status/1262180556898553856

"Russiagate Kool-Aid still flooding the country way past its expiration date."

Our American friend is obviously still hooked on the hoax.

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Sanders says his supporters will vote for Biden but he needs to court them

Former Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders has said he thinks his supporters will vote for Joe Biden in November’s US election, despite a former aide’s warning that Biden was not consolidating Sanders supporters.

In a memo released last week, former Sanders adviser Jeff Weaver said Sanders supporters were “currently unsupportive and unenthusiastic” about Biden and “there is a real and urgent need to help Biden consolidate Sanders supporters”.

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“I think, at the end of the day, the vast majority of the people who voted for me who supported me will understand and do understand that Donald Trump is the most dangerous president in the modern history of this country, he is a pathological liar, he’s a racist and a sexist, a homophobe, etcetera,” said Sanders.

“But I think what Joe is gonna have to do – and he’s beginning to move in that direction – is to say to those working class people, say to those young people, say to those minorities, ‘Listen, I understand your situation’.”

Sanders said Biden’s message should focus on student debt relief, health insurance coverage, a living wage, climate change policy and racism in the criminal justice and immigration systems.

“I think they are going to reach out to our supporters and come up with an agenda that speaks to the needs of working families, of young families and minority communities,” Sanders said.

josh

The efforts are bolstered by a 2018 federal court ruling that for the first time in nearly four decades allows the national Republican Party to mount campaigns against purported voter fraud without court approval. The court ban on Republican Party voter-fraud operations was imposed in 1982, and then modified in 1986 and again in 1990, each time after courts found instances of Republicans intimidating or working to exclude minority voters in the name of preventing fraud. The party was found to have violated it yet again in 2004.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/18/us/Voting-republicans-trump.html

Aristotleded24

epaulo13 wrote:
Sanders says his supporters will vote for Biden but he needs to court them

Former Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders has said he thinks his supporters will vote for Joe Biden in November’s US election, despite a former aide’s warning that Biden was not consolidating Sanders supporters.

In a memo released last week, former Sanders adviser Jeff Weaver said Sanders supporters were “currently unsupportive and unenthusiastic” about Biden and “there is a real and urgent need to help Biden consolidate Sanders supporters”.

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“I think, at the end of the day, the vast majority of the people who voted for me who supported me will understand and do understand that Donald Trump is the most dangerous president in the modern history of this country, he is a pathological liar, he’s a racist and a sexist, a homophobe, etcetera,” said Sanders.

“But I think what Joe is gonna have to do – and he’s beginning to move in that direction – is to say to those working class people, say to those young people, say to those minorities, ‘Listen, I understand your situation’.”

Sanders said Biden’s message should focus on student debt relief, health insurance coverage, a living wage, climate change policy and racism in the criminal justice and immigration systems.

“I think they are going to reach out to our supporters and come up with an agenda that speaks to the needs of working families, of young families and minority communities,” Sanders said.

Sanders is misreading the situation. Many of his supporters are frustrated with him for treating Biden with kid gloves during the campaign, for endorsing Biden and calling Biden his friend, and for his votes on the bad coronavirus bailouts. Many of his supporters have already moved on from Sanders and are planning their next moves. Support for Sanders was always conditional on him pushing ideas his supporters cared about. When he started stumping for Clinton and then Tom Perez, his support dropped. The same thing is happening now. If he were to run for the Democraticy Party nominatino for the third time, he won't have nearly the popular support he had the first 2 for that reason.

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