3 civilians, including child, killed in SLA shelling in Vanni

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3 civilians, including child, killed in SLA shelling in Vanni

3 civilians, including child, killed in SLA shelling in Vanni

[ Saturday, 13 December 2008, 22:17 GMT+01:00 ] [InfoTamil]

A5-month-old child, sleeping inside an IDP hut near Thakarap-Pi'l'laiyaar temple on Hudson Road in Vaddakkachchi, was decapitated by a shrapnel of the Sri Lanka Army (SLA) fired artillery shell Saturday morning around 9:30. 26-year-old mother of the child was wounded in the artillery barrage that targeted the IDP settlement. Meanwhile, two males who went to their agricultural lands in Kanakapuram, a suburb of Ki'linochchi town, to unearth cassava roots, were killed in SLA shelling around 11:45 a.m. A 17-year-old youth narrowly escaped death with injuries from the shelling.

The child killed was Jeyarooban Ajanthan. His mother wounded in the shelling was identified as 26-year-old Jancy Rani Jeyarooban. The victims had displaced from Periyapa'ndivirichchaan to Vaddakkachchi.

One of the males killed in Kanakapuram was identified as 41-year-old Paalaiya Pulendran, a native of Ki'linochchi who was displaced to Visuvamadu. The other male killed in the shelling was yet to be identified.

The victims had gone to their agricultural lands to unearth cassava roots in their attempt to earn money to safeguard their families.

The youth who sustained injuries at Kanakapuram was identified as Jeyakaran, from Periyaku'lam in Pu'lyampokka'nai. He was being treated at Ki'linochchi hospital.

The dead bodies of the two males killed in Kanakapuram were brought to the hospital in Ki'linochchi town and transferred to Tharmapuram.

Meanwhile, Sri Lanka Air Force (SLAF) fighter jets bombed 6 times in Vaddakkachchi and Paranthan areas.

Source: infotamil.ch

It's Me D

I missed your thread Kthiruna but I want to say thanks for posting about Sri Lanka... I've tried to get discussion going on it here a couple times but there's never much input...

Anyway I wanted to post about the rapid speed with which fascism is entrenching itself in Sri Lanka following the recent losses by the LTTE in the north. Here are two recent articles from AJ:

Sri Lanka TV station attacked

Sri Lankan editor shot dead

It seems to me the government is cracking down on opposition media (having already banned foreign media from much of the country) in order to ensure the sportlight stays off of their genocidal campaign in the north and the rampant corruption and systemic descrimination in Sri Lanka.

It is terribly sad that, like everything else that happens in Sri Lanka, this news will be doomed (by global disinterest) to stay in Sri Lanka.

Objective Observer

Actually, I tried raising awareness of this issue with a moderator (Oldgoat), but he callously claimed that both sides are equally responsible for this war, and that the Tamils have no right to a homeland. Equally responsible... One side has gunships, jet bombers, gunboats, and high tech gear, and the other is a rural society with only small arms.

It's Me D

OO: Was your conversation with Oldgoat private? I've not seen him post that publically anyway.  But yes, I think you are generally correct about how Sri Lanka is regarded... Babble is impressively able to get behind the Palestinian cause and to understand that it is not a two-sided conflict but a massacre... even though its much the same, something makes Sri Lanka harder for people to understand... Frown

Ghislaine

I am glad there is a thread about this as well. Why does the Sri Lankan assault against Tamil-controlled areas get so much less coverage, when civilians are also being murdered? Tamil Tigers are a terrorist org like Hamas, however the Sri Lankan offensive has as little regard for innocent civilian live as the IDF offensive.

(I am not talking just of babble thread discussion, but of general media coverage - whether it be pro-Sri Linkan war crimes or pro peace)

Unionist

This conflict is an internal affair, like so many others in the world. That doesn't make the crimes being committed any less horrendous or barbaric. But no one has invaded or is occupying any other recognized national state, which in international law clearly differentiates this conflict from that in the Middle East, or for example Indonesia in East Timor, etc.

Objective Observer

We had a conversation in this thread:

http://www.rabble.ca/babble/national-news/cupe-wants-ban-israeli-academics-canadian-schools

Oldgoat's points were, and I quote:

"There is a civil war going on in Sri Lanka involving a Tamil secessionist movement.  Actually, the Sinhalese army is not occupying the very loosely defined disputed territory.  They probably see that as a problem, but the sides and bounderies are vague.  It's a highly complex issue, with atrocities having been performed on both sides, but it isn't an occupation. You don't know what you're talking about."

That's from a moderator. But he's not unique.

Objective Observer

There, you see IMD and Ghislaine? People here refuse to acknowledge the national aspirations of the Tamils. And they use such flimsy logic as "hey, it's an internal affair, so we can't say anything".

The reason it's an 'internal affair' is because the Tamils are being forced by a superior military to remain part of a country that hates them, simply because of the natural resources located therein.  

Unionist

Typical comment by an Israeli propagandist looking - and failing - to find another conflict where international law is being violated as savagely as Israel is doing, and for as many decades. Sri Lanka? Nope, it's an internal conflict. Time to talk about Darfur. Or maybe Azerbaijan. Ah, the glories of sleight of hand.

Objective Observer

This is a thread about the slaughter going on in Sri Lanka, specifically the Tamil homeland. Not Israel/Gaza.

Now, do you want to talk about Sri Lanka or not?

It's Me D

I'm very sorry I mentioned Palestine... Its just been on my mind lately, as I'm sure it has been on the minds of most Babblers. I did not mean to suggest that we have to pick one group whose national aspirations we will support, personally I support both the Palestinians and the Tamils.

Unionist you're hiding behind the indifference of others on this one; just because the UN has not seen fit to issue any pronouncements on Sri Lanka and no national governments have decided to stand up for Tamil Eelam doesn't mean that the independance struggle of the Tamil people is ignorable. Anyone who beleives in solidarity with the Palestinian cause but claims that they need a UN resolution to have solidarity with the Tamils is being cowardly or hypocritical. The facts in Sri Lanka speak for themselves, you can't observe what has taken place/is taking place and then turn away, the imperitive is not handed down by the UN, it comes from the reality on the ground in Sri Lanka. I for one would support the Palestinians whether or not the UN took notice; its hard to accept that known progressives like yourself would ignore the plight of the Sri Lankan Tamils because their suffering hasn't been endorsed by the UN...

An internal mater? Hardly... unless the Sinhalese dictatorship learns to manufacture its own advanced weaponry, or to survive without foreign backing and foreign trade. We are aiding and abetting Genocide in Sri Lanka every bit as much as we are doing in Israel. 

It's Me D

Oh, and OO I'm glad you provided Oldgoat's direct quotation, its not exactly as you'd paraphrased it and though I take issue with it I'm glad it does not contain any statement such as "Tamils have no right to a homeland" which you previously attributed to him.

oldgoat

O O, I am in a rush right now and won't have time to elaborate until later.  I never said that the Tamils have no right to a homeland, and am in fact quite sympathetic to thier position.  I commented when you tried to draw parallels between two unrelated conflicts, drawing conclusions which were incorrect, and you got your nose out of joint when I pointed it out.

Intentionally misrepresenting opinions of other babblers, and putting words in thier mouths can lead to suspension, so don't do it. 

 

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Ghislaine

Unionist wrote:
This conflict is an internal affair, like so many others in the world. That doesn't make the crimes being committed any less horrendous or barbaric. But no one has invaded or is occupying any other recognized national state, which in international law clearly differentiates this conflict from that in the Middle East, or for example Indonesia in East Timor, etc.
South African apartheid was also an "internal" affair and like Sri Lanka, Israel also believes that dealing with Gaza is an internal affair.

oldgoat

 Just to add, and now I really do have to run, that this sad and oft ignored conflict does deserve a thread of it's own, so let's not get sidetracked with gratuitous comparisons to other world trouble spots, despite the fact that that's exactly what O O did in a Gaza related thread. 

Seems he doesn't like it now. 

 

 

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It's Me D

Unionist check your PMs.

oldgoat wrote:
Just to add, and now I really do have to run, that this sad and oft ignored conflict does deserve a thread of it's own, so let's not get sidetracked with gratuitous comparisons to other world trouble spots, despite the fact that that's exactly what O O did in a Gaza related thread.

I agree, and I'm sorry for my part in it. The situation in Sri Lanka more than warrants its own threads and although this thread has seen more activity in the last couple hours than any of the previous threads on Sri Lanka which I've started in the past year, it would appear that this activity doesn't result from a real interest in Sri Lanka since no one has addressed the OP or the follow-up that I posted. I'll second oldgoat's call to leave Palestine out of this thread and won't mention it again myself; I realize that this likely means a quick fade into obscurity for this thread however, but I've already learned that Babble isn't really interested in talking about Sri lanka for its own sake Frown

Objective Observer

So Oldgoat, I'm still not sure if you support the Tamils and their struggle for a homeland. Do you? I do.

It's Me D

LTJ: I'm glad to hear you're interested in learning more, hopefully kthiruna will return but you've also helped inspire me not to quit starting threads on Sri Lanka, despite the low post-counts they recieve.

I'd like to ask you a question, and we will see if we can discuss it without talking about Palestine. When you said:

LTJ wrote:
The slaughter is more concerning, and Canada more complicit in the situation there.

I'm curious what you meant. Is the body count is Sri Lanka too low? Tens of thousands have been killed over the years of this conflict. Or is Canada not aiding and abeting Genocide in Sri Lanka? Our government has been very supportive of the Sinhalese dictatorship, we trade with them, we prosecute the Canadian Tamil diaspora for them... I'm having trouble seeing why you would be unconcerned with the situation there, or feel Canada is not complicit in it...

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I meant that the daily body count is currently much higher in Gaza.

And I don't know enough of the facts to comment upon your other statements at this point. 

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I agree with Unionist: Ghislane and OO are being totally disingenuous here.

I know little enough about the Tamil situation; too little to speak intelligently on the topic. I do know that my current focus will remain upon Palestine. The slaughter is more concerning, and Canada more complicit in the situation there.

I do encourage kthiruna to continue posting on the Sri Lankan conflict. I would request more comment along with the news reports, though. With enough information, more of us will be better able to form an opinion; babble threads were certainly my main source of information about Haiti, as an example.

oldgoat

I am absolutely in support of an independant Tamil homeland. More recent demands from the LTTE (Liberation Tigers of Tamil Elam) have been reduced to a more watered down regional autonamy, but I support whichever reflects the will of the Tamil people, which is clearly not to be ruled by the Sinhalese from Columbo.

A quick word on what infoms me on this, is that I work in the heart of the Tamil community in Scarborough, have a few Tamil colleagues on my team, and have done a fair bit of work in the community with refugees from Sri Lanka. Out of all the all the Sri Lankans I met, I can only recall meeting one Sinhalese.

Much of todays conflict can be blamed on yet another British post-colonial mess, and how they left the country administratively. Pre exisiting but manageable social frictions were set on a collision course with one another.

When I said there were atrocities on both sides, I have in mind particularly, the LTTE leader Vellupillai Prabhakaren. There had been in the 70's and 80's, a number of factions trying to work together toward the end of Tamil home rule. Prabhakaren brought everyone under his leadership through assasination and intimidation within that part of the Tamil population who were involved with other factions, or even just not involved. I do grant however, that lots, if not a majority are voluntary supportes of the LTTE, and he has led a model guerilla operation against conventional Sri Lankan forces.

There have been ebbs and flows during this struggle, and esp during the mid-late '90's it was extreemly vicious. Sri Lankan forces have, for the most part unnoticed by the world at large, engaged in torture and massacres of civilian populations. At one point in the '80's I think, India had a peace keeping force there, but was regarded by both sides with suspicion, probably for good reason.

In some ways it's a classic secessionist movement. The Tamils have a fairly substantial area from which to operate, though it's less than it was just 8 years ago, have some sophisticated armaments including a small air and sea capability. The SL gov't has a conventional military with an air force consisting of a lot of old crap the Chinese and Russians didn't want any more, but still good for bombing civilians,  a nastily effective little navy of small gunboats (fishing is an important industy among the Tamil population), and of course an army.

 

 

 

 

 

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It's Me D

Thanks for the thoughtful post oldgoat. I'm curious, particularly given where you work, what you think of Canada's role in Sri Lanka's conflict and the situation facing Sri Lankan Tamils (including our huge emigre/exile community)? Particularly given the size of the aforementioned community Canada's role in the Sri Lankan conflict greatly disappoints me.

oldgoat

It's Me D wrote:
Thanks for the thoughtful post oldgoat. I'm curious, particularly given where you work, what you think of Canada's role in Sri Lanka's conflict and the situation facing Sri Lankan Tamils (including our huge emigre/exile community)? Particularly given the size of the aforementioned community Canada's role in the Sri Lankan conflict greatly disappoints me.

 

Well, oil is not part of the equation here, so the US gov't hasn't told the Canadian gov't what to think.  Thus, they are a bit adrift.

In terms of trade etc, I don't think a huge amount goes on between the two countries, so it's just the large Tamil population here, which is havind a growing influence as refugees and thier children enter our universities, graduate and join the workforce. 

A number of years ago there was a big to-do in the Canadian press about Tamil gangs, as well as the LTTE through the agency of the Tamil Elam Society in Toronto  extrorting money to send back home.  The gang thing was hugely blown out of proportion and forgotten about after a while.  The latter matter did attract the attention of CSIS at the time.  I can tell you that the LTTE could teach the United Way a few things about grass roots fundraising.  It's a huge strength, and they get a lot of funding from their overseas communities.  As far as intimidation goes, I know for a fact that it did happen, but I would say it wasn't hugely widespread.  Most donations were voluntary.

The Sri Lankan embassy wanted the Tamil Elam society declared a terrorist entity or some damn thing.  This society also does very good settlement work within the community, and as far as I know nothing came of it.

Other than sad shaking of heads, the Canadian gov't has done little.  On the other hand when you have little involvement with a country you have little leverage.

 

 

 

 

oldgoat

I'd like to add that we seem to have in kthiruna a poster much more knowlegable than I, and more up to date.  I'm sure he/she could correct me on some of the points I've made based on my observations from afar.  I'm sorry that his/her first few posts went unnoticed, and I hope to hear more in this thread.

 

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kthiruna

My friends, i have replied to your comments by starting a new topic called "Tamil people’s right to Self-determination and Sri Lanka’s denials". Please visit the following link to continue your discussion.

 http://www.rabble.ca/babble/international-news-and-politics/tamil-people%E2%80%99s-right-self-determination-and-sri-lanka%E2%80%99s-denia

Thank you.

pnsh

We have to ask our selves this one question. For what reason did the LTTE pursue it’s arms struggle? I find it quite odd that the IC believes that the LTTE is the problem, but from the eyes of the Tamil Diaspora the LTTE came in to protect them from this genocidal Sri Lankan government. LTTE are wrongfully labeled as a Terrorist organization. It's funny because the Sri Lankan government relisted the LTTE as a terror organization yesterday, but they have been 'branded' as just that everywhere else. Why? Well it’s quite obvious that the Harper government foresaw this downfall in the economy and wanted Canadians to spend their paychecks in Canada, so that he can recklessly spend 30 billion dollars of the tax payers’ money.  Wink  http://voanews.com/english/2009-01-07-voa21.cfm