ADL Survey: US Jews overwhelmingly supported Israel's Gaza action

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Unionist wrote:
Because American Jews determine foreign policy?

No, but they are very influential in American politics.

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Regarding my state, the The New Republic observed last fall: "Here's a weird bit of trivia. If Al Franken winds up beating Norm Coleman (and he's now got a a small lead in most polls), he'll be the fourth consecutive Jewish person elected to that Senate seat, after Rudy Boschwitz, Paul Wellstone, and Coleman. Indeed, the last time the major parties in Minnesota even nominated a gentile to run for that seat was 1984, with Joan Growe. When you consider that Jews make up only 0.9 percent of Minnesota's population, that's pretty interesting."

In the mean time, how many African-American, Native American, Asian-American, or Hispanic Senators has Minnesota ever had?  Zero.

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KenS

It is not American Jews that drive US [Middle East] foreign policy.

It is the fact that Americans in general are in thrall of Israel and the Zionist project, that is the foundation for Israel thumbing its nose at the whole world. And that includes a lot of people who also exhibit anti-Semitism.

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KenS wrote:

It is not American Jews that drive US [Middle East] foreign policy.

It is the fact that Americans in general are in thrall of Israel and the Zionist project, that is the foundation for Israel thumbing its nose at the whole world. And that includes a lot of people who also exhibit anti-Semitism.

I agree that Americans, generally, are pro-Israel, but I suspect that American Jews, as a group, tend to be even more pro-Israel than the average American is.

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Unionist

Sven wrote:

I agree that Americans, generally, are pro-Israel, but I suspect that American Jews, as a group, tend to be even more pro-Israel than the average American is.

In the absence of data, and the in the spirit of dividing people, let's play, "make stuff up":

I suspect that American Muslims, as a group, tend to be even more pro-terrorist than the average American is.

Your turn!

It's Me D

Sven wrote:
I agree that Americans, generally, are pro-Israel, but I suspect that American Jews, as a group, tend to be even more pro-Israel than the average American is.

Thats exactly the sort of suspicion this "poll" intends to fuel, yet it does not provide any facts to back this up...

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So, Unionist (and It's Me D), in your opinion, are Jewish Americans pro-Israel to the same, lesser, or greater degree than the average American?  Or, is your answer: "In the absence of data, I couldn't possibly even speculate on such an answer"?

And, if that is your answer to that question, would that also be your answer if one were comparing the degree of pro-Israeli tendencies between Muslim Americans and Jewish Americans?  Personally, I'd be willing to speculate that Muslim Americans tend to be more pro-Palestinian than the average Jewish American.  But, that might just be me. 

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Unionist

Sven wrote:

So, Unionist (and It's Me D), in your opinion, are Jewish Americans pro-Israel to the same, lesser, or greater degree than the average American?  Or, is your answer: "In the absence of data, I couldn't possibly even speculate on such an answer"?

And, if that is your answer to that question, would that also be your answer if one were comparing the degree of pro-Israeli tendencies between Muslim Americans and Jewish Americans?  Personally, I'd be willing to speculate that Muslim Americans tend to be more pro-Palestinian than the average Jewish American.  But, that might just be me. 

Don't take this the wrong way, Sven, because I respect you, but your questions, and the underlying preoccupations, are racist and imperialist to the core. You don't get it. You don't even see that it's like asking:

Yeah, ok, fine, but on the whole, aren't Aboriginals more into alcohol than whites??? Aren't Blacks more prone to crime in North America??? Not passin' judgment here, just askin'???

On this board, I would hope we share an interest in countering imperialism and its influence on people - not in "measuring" and "taking note of" that influence

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Unionist wrote:

Don't take this the wrong way, Sven, because I respect you, but your questions, and the underlying preoccupations, are racist and imperialist to the core. You don't get it. You don't even see that it's like asking:

Yeah, ok, fine, but on the whole, aren't Aboriginals more into alcohol than whites??? Aren't Blacks more prone to crime in North America??? Not passin' judgment here, just askin'???

I appreciate your comments and thoughts.  I want to take some time and think about them...

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I'm not sure that the analogy holds, unionist. Virtually everyone would say that abusing alcohol or committing crimes is inherently bad whereas most would not say the same about 'supporting israel.'

also, even if a certain aboriginal WAS really into alcohol or certain black person WAS more prone to crime, I'm assuming neither would attribute this to their race and neither would present it as being part of their culture. for amny jews, supporting Israel HAS become part of their Jewish identity. further, given that Israel presents itself explicitly as a jewish state and fancies itself te ability so speak on behalf of Jews, it would be interesting to get hard data on how Jews actually feel about this.

Unionist

I'm losing interest in this disgusting thread based on lies peddled by the ADL. Have a fine day.

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