The Afghan people will win - part 15

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PraetorianFour

Unionist wrote:

[url=http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/12/09/afghan-kabul-mayor.html][=...'s mayor still running the city after being sentenced to four years in prison for corruption[/color][/url]

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Afghanistan receives billions of dollars a year in international aid since the fall of the Taliban and the establishment of Karzai's first government. But it was recently named by international watchdog group Transparency International the second-most corrupt country in the world, ranking behind only Somalia.

I believe it!

As far as the smaller scale protests go I found there was a bad practice developing.
If villagers took to protest over say a civilian death their cries for justice here and there would turn into demands for compinsation and money. The deceased family members would demand money to make up for the lost income or livestock or equipment [which is fairly reasonable if you ask me] but also the individual's friends would want compensation. They would demand money and lovestock and farming equipment. Or a neighbour who was owed money by the deceased would demand NATO cough up cash and NATO does just that.

In my opinion this detracted from the message "NATO out of Afghanistan" and turned it into "Well what do I get? What can you give us". I'm not saying anyone was greedy [some are though] because the harsh realities of life in Afghanistan is a brutal one and people don't have much there to start with. I just feel that it breaks up the unified voice approach and lets NATO throw money at the problem which keeps it under control.

Frmrsldr

The Afghan people will win/The U.S. is losing the war in Afghanistan:

Jason Ditz wrote:

"We are not winning, which means we are losing and as we are losing, the message traffic out there to insurgency recruits keeps getting better and better and more keep coming."

This was the message Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman Admiral Michael Mullen had for US soldiers at Fort Campbell, Kentucky, from which two combat brigades will be sent to Afghanistan as part of President Obama's latest escalation.

http://news.antiwar.com/2009/12/08/us-losing-war-in-afghanistan-mullen-a...

I'm sorry, could you run that by me again; when are we leaving Afghanistan?

Jason Ditz wrote:

Throwing further doubt into President Obama's claims that he intends to begin transferring control over Afghan security to the Afghan military in July 2011, Afghan President Hamid Karzai says that the force will not be self-sufficient until at least 2024.

The nation has struggled to muster any sort of competent security forces of its own since the 2001 US invasion, despite billions of dollars in aid from NATO and massive training missions from the international forces.

... In addition to President Obama's largely illusory July 2011 claim, the White House has also said it intends to be out of Afghanistan by 2017. Karzai's comments suggest even that is a relatively ambitious timetable, and that decades of war remain a very real possibility, assuming the conflict doesn't continue to deteriorate to the point that it forces NATO to withdraw.

http://news.antiwar.com/2009/12/08/karzai-afghan-army-will-need-help-unt...

Why we are losing in Afghanistan:

http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2009/12/09/george-f-kennan-on-the-escalation...

Frmrsldr

http://original.antiwar.com/glantz/2009/12/09/afghanistan's-bravest-woman-pins-hopes-on-usa-not-obama/

NDPP

Kabul Taliban Commander Seif Allali Galali Speaks:

http://www.iraq-war.ru/article/212694

"Foreigners are not safe as long as they are in Afghanistan. They must leave otherwise they will be targeted...What we want is their unconditional departure.."

Doug
Webgear

Ceasefire.ca is saying that on 12 December 1979 the Soviet Politburo took the decision to send Soviet troops into Afghanistan. 

Of course this is incorrect because there were at least 3 Soviet Infantry Battalions in Kabul prior to the summer of 1979, and there were hundreds of military advisors in Afghanistan years before that this order was signed.

However on this the date 30 years ago today, the war really started to heat up.

Fidel

Webgear wrote:

Ceasefire.ca is saying that on 12 December 1979 the Soviet Politburo took the decision to send Soviet troops into Afghanistan. 

 

Of course this is incorrect because there were at least 3 Soviet Infantry Battalions in Kabul prior to the summer of 1979, and there were hundreds of military advisors in Afghanistan years before that this order was signed.

 

In his memoirs, "From the Shadows", former CIA director Robert Gates admits that the US was funding Islamic gladios in Afghanistan six months before the Soviets intervened. Brzezinski acknowledged that truth in an interview. What really happened was that Jimmy Carter approved a CIA plan to topple the Afghan government in July of 1979.

 

And every time the mooj blew up a girls school, and every time the CIA made deliveries of money and weapons to the druglords and Arab-Afghan, Tajik and other warlords and their mercenaries from over 40 countries -  cold war hawks in the US high-fived one another. And when Kabul finally fell to the mooj over two years after the Soviets pulled out, the CIA bypassed the Pakistani ISI and began funding lunatic warlords like Gulbuddin Hekmaytar and Osama bin Laden directly. The CIA never did cut ties with their Islamic gladios after 1992. http://rpc.senate.gov/releases/1997/iran.htm  

Webgear

Fidel, there were Soviet Battalions in Kabul prior 1977. Soviets military advisors were teaching the current warlords as early as 1970s in Soviet sponsored military academies both in Afghanistan and in Russia.

I am not arguing the fact the Americans planned on destabilizing the Afghan Government however the Soviets were destabilizing the Afghan Government before the Americans event attempted to.

 

Fidel

Well our stooges in Ottawa have decided to deputize US military personel in times of military-security manouvers on Canadian soil. Does that mean the US is destabilizing Canada? Were the Diefen-Tories trying to destabilize Canada when they bought dud missiles from the Yanquis in the 1950's and almost transformed Canada into a nuclear missile bulls'eye for the Sovs? And then our stooges handed an entire aircraft industry and thousands of jobs to the Yanks. We could have made our own aircraft for civilian and defence purposes. I think old Dief was a US stooge like all the rest.

The Russians and Chinese and SCO countries have military advisors in one another's countries on a regular basis during manouvers and war games. Does that mean they are trying to destabilize one another's countries? Is what they do on that side of the world any of our business? What you're saying, Webgear, sounds like Yanqui bullshit.

Webgear

Fidel, lets try to concentrate on the facts. The Soviets had ground forces in Afghanistan prior to July 1979. It is highly likely they were conducting counter-insurgency operations, because since 1949 the Pashtun tribes had at least 12 jihads declared against Kabul.

If I remember correctly, at least 3 of these occurred after the monarchy was over thrown.

It is known that Afghans forces received large number of Soviet equipment and training to put down these rebellions.

Fidel

Webgear wrote:

Fidel, lets try to concentrate on the facts. The Soviets had ground forces in Afghanistan prior to July 1979. It is highly likely they were conducting counter-insurgency operations, because since 1949 the Pashtun tribes had at least 12 jihads declared against Kabul.

Well our masters in Warshington have already admitted to intervening in Afghanistan six months before the Sovs intervened militarily. Our US masters, in fact,  have contradicted what your bullshit history link is claiming. They make no mention of the fact that our own imperialist masters in Warshington were aiding and abetting whacko extremists, and some of who would later be implicated in the first WTC bombing in the 1990's, terrorist attacks on US embassies in the Middle East and Africa. And the CIA and US military helped create a militant-Islamic base in Bosnia during the Clinton administration years. The Republican Party Senate Committee have provided us with evidence of US intervention all over Central Asia and the edge of Eastern Europe, from the late 1970's and continuing today apparently.  

If you can't believe what comes from the horse's mouth wrt our imperial masters, who in turn are instructing our stooges in Ottawa and therefore your bosses in the Canadian military, then who can you believe, Webgear?

 

Webgear

Fidel are you saying there were not three Soviets Battalion of infantry in Kabul prior to July 1979?

Its a freaking fact my friend.  

Fidel

Webgear wrote:

Fidel are you saying there were not three Soviets Battalion of infantry in Kabul prior to July 1979?

Its a freaking fact my friend.  

So what? Our Yanqui imperialist masters have anywhere between 700 and 1000 military bases and communications installations etc around the world today. And they are the only country to have their nukes stationed on foreign soil.

Yanquis had military advisors and thousand of US army personel all over the Honduras and El Salvador in the 1980's. We didn't see the Sovs intervening in Uncle Sam's backyard then, because there would have been hell to pay.

And had the Sovs intervened in the brutal US-backed military dictatorship of Pakistan in the 1980's, it probably would have meant the start of WW III.

Webgear

 

In May 1978, an additional 400 Soviet military advisers were dispatched to Afghanistan in order to put down the fledging insurgency.

In July 1979, the USSR sent an airborne battalion in response to a request from the Afghan government for support.

In October 1978 insurgent activities flared in Nuristan in October

In March 1979additional insurgent activities occurred in Heart provinces.

In April and May of 1979, the rebellion spread to Baglan, Oruzgan, Farah, Badghis, Ghowr, Logar provinces.

On 13 October, an operational group was formed in the Ministry of Defense. It was headed by the first deputy to the chief of the General Staff, General of the Army S. F. Akhromeyev.24 Its function was to coordinate the activities of the representatives of all the Soviet departments, forces of the 40th Army, and Soviet apparatus should major forces be committed to Afghanistan. The operations group left immediately for Afghanistan.

Webgear

By 1977 the Soviet Union had provided Afghanistan with the equivalent of US$600 million in military equipment. It had been necessary to send 3,700 officers and NCOs to the Soviet Union to teach them to use the sophisticated hardware. These Afghans not only were exposed to the Soviet belief system, but some were, according to observers, also recruited to serve as Soviet intelligence agents.

Webgear

In November 1977 anger over Daoud's excesses caused a temporary rupture between Daoud on one hand and his younger brother Naim and six cabinet ministers on the other. From late summer of 1977 to early spring of 1978, a series of prominent Afghans were murdered, including the chief pilot of Ariana Afghan Airlines (who was the leader of a recent strike) and the minister of planning. On April 17, 1978, Mir Akbar Khyber, a Parchami theorist, was murdered. His was the most important death for Afghan politics. The identities of the perpetrators were never fully ascertained, but at the time, many believed Daoud's police to be the executioners.

Webgear

Fidel, the whole country was against the Soviets and thier ways. Look at the number of uprisings in the provinces in late 1978/79. The only people who welecomed the Soviets were Soviet lackies in Kabul.

 

Fidel

Webgear wrote:
 

In May 1978, an additional 400 Soviet military advisers were dispatched to Afghanistan in order to put down the fledging insurgency.

 

In July 1979, the USSR sent an airborne battalion in response to a request from the Afghan government for support.

 

Hafizullah Amin's oppressive regime was overthrown in the insurgency and mainly by Afghans themselves.

 

Of course there was opposition from feudal druglords in Afghanistan. They opposed the ban on opium and PDPA's land redistribution policies. And the American CIA has since admitted, although somewhat reluctantly, to having armed and funded the theocratic feudalist druglords.

 

The Sovs withdrew forces by 1989. A civil war followed and a coalition government made up of warlords loyal to Tadjikistan, Iran, Pakistan and USA seized power in Kabul.

 

Fidel

Webgear wrote:

Fidel, the whole country was against the Soviets and thier ways. Look at the number of uprisings in the provinces in late 1978/79. The only people who welecomed the Soviets were Soviet lackies in Kabul,

That's not the way [url=http://www.michaelparenti.org/afghanistan%20story%20untold.html]American Michael Parenti[/url] describes recent history in Afghanistan.

 And it's not how [url=http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/51/104.html]Canadian John Ryan[/url] described the same events.

What you're spewing here is pure Yanqui bullshit, webgear. And it's not surprising coming from a member of the Canadian military. They're all US lackies in that outfit as are our US-friendly stooges in Ottawa.

Similarly, our imperial masters in Warshington tried to pass off a lie that they had political base in South VietNam during that immoral US military intervention in SE Asia. And that was a lie.

And US tabloid newz agencies have told the exact reverse of that lie wrt Afghanistan - that the Sovs had no political base in Afghanistan. They did. And the evidence of that cold war lie, which you repeat here unashamedly, is that vicious toadies in the Pakistani and western world newz agencies predicted the PDPA government forces would fall within six months of the Soviet pullout. The men and women volunteers of the Afghan PDPA army held out against the US-backed mujahideen for over two years and defeated the well-armed mooj in major dustups at Jalabad and other battles. And the Yanks were supplying the mooj and paid mercenary whackos from from all over the world all the while. Finally. the likes of Gulbby Hekmatyar(and who is now talking with the CIA and Brits, Saudis, ISI etc again in hotel rooms of Islamabad and and Lahore) rained rockets down on Kabul and destroyed much of the city. Millions fled the country.

Please, Webgear, we're Canadians here. We are able to think for ourselves. No more Yanqui bullshit, please. You're only embarrassing yourself as well as vicious toadies in the Canadian military taking orders from their bosses in liar-liar land.

Webgear

 Fidel, your first article by Michael Parenti even outlines why the people were not happy with the Soviet back Afghan government:

a. Destruction of the poppy crops.

b. The emancipated women from their age-old tribal bondage

c. Major land reformation programs.

Now if roughly 95% of the population is rural and they believe in the old ways then point B is enough to piss them off. If the land is owned by the tribal leaders (the same people as the feudal landlords) which most of the rural people respect and follow (see the first sentence) then there is another reason to be pissed of with the communist government.

The last reason to be pissed off is because no one likes having their drugs fucked with.

However even Michael Parenti sums up the reason why there were rebellions in 1978/79:

But serious opposition arose from several quarters. The feudal landlords opposed the land reform program that infringed on their holdings. And tribesmen and fundamentalist mullahs vehemently opposed the government's dedication to gender equality and the education of women and children.

Fidel

Webgear wrote:
Now if roughly 95% of the population is rural and they believe in the old ways

Well if read professor Parenti's essay, you'd realize that the feudal druglords and warlords themselves were about 3% of the population and whose feudal ways were being challenged by democratic revolutionary forces in Afghanistan. The cultural and tribal relations within Afghanistan were left undisturbed throughout the Stalinist era to the 1960's and 70's when Afghans themselves sought changes in their own country.  Iow's, they were Afghans who wanted change, and Amin had suddenly become an oppressive tyrant, and who, according to John Ryan who lived there for a number of years, says he was told by Afghans that Amin had become a US stooge at some point during his visit to America. The Taliban have also been to America a number of times during their US-backed government rule from 1996 to 2001. 

Webgear wrote:
... no one likes having their drugs fucked with.

And especially [url=http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2009/08/28/soldier-sailor-cocaine-drug.ht... of the Canadian[/url], military as well the [url=http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/28/world/asia/28intel.html]CIA and their good friend Wali Karzai[/url] CIA's the biggest dope delivery service in the world according to US historian Alfred McCoy.

 

Webgear wrote:
However even Michael Parenti sums up the reason why there were rebellions in 1978/79:

But serious opposition arose from several quarters. The feudal landlords opposed the land reform program that infringed on their holdings. And tribesmen and fundamentalist mullahs vehemently opposed the government's dedication to gender equality and the education of women and children.

And? Are you trying to suggest that the revolutionary base in Afghanistan comprised of Afghans had no legitimacy? Canadian John Ryan is quoted in the article as saying that not even the CIA blamed the Soviets for that happening. The Afghan's democratic rebellion was entirely an indigenous affair.

The mullahs of Iran said themselves that religious leaders have no idea how to run a country. And yet this is what the US and British orchestrated and encouraged to take place in that country as well as Afghanistan. It seems that none of the CIA, the bipartisan war parties in Warshington, or their lap poodles in Ottawa understand how to run a country either.

Webgear

 

Fidel look who was supporting the revolution, it was well off citizens from Kabul, military officers and the educated, the top 1% of the nation.

The revolution was about the gaining power from the rural people. It was about consolidating power, wealth and land in order to better themselves.

Even the communist were fighting for power amongst themselves.

Webgear

 

Fidel, wasn't there a NDP candidate that was running in the last election that is a known drug user and trafficker?

Webgear

They sure do look nervous.

How many of them were drafted?

How many were from the urban areas?

Never mind with the answers, I know you do not have any.

 

Frmrsldr

Webgear wrote:

 Fidel, your first article by Michael Parenti even outlines why the people were not happy with the Soviet back Afghan government:

a. Destruction of the poppy crops.

b. The emancipated women from their age-old tribal bondage

c. Major land reformation programs.

Now if roughly 95% of the population is rural and they believe in the old ways then point B is enough to piss them off. If the land is owned by the tribal leaders (the same people as the feudal landlords) which most of the rural people respect and follow (see the first sentence) then there is another reason to be pissed of with the communist government.

The last reason to be pissed off is because no one likes having their drugs fucked with.

However even Michael Parenti sums up the reason why there were rebellions in 1978/79:

But serious opposition arose from several quarters. The feudal landlords opposed the land reform program that infringed on their holdings. And tribesmen and fundamentalist mullahs vehemently opposed the government's dedication to gender equality and the education of women and children.

Isn't this the same bullshit that the U.S., U.K., Canadian, etc. governments are telling their people to sell the war?

95% of the people? 95% of the war lords/drug lords, more like it.

What people want their families to starve because poppies are grown instead of food so that the drug lords can get rich? What people want to see their families addicted to opium due to its cheapness and availability?

When Britain left and Afghanistan became independent in 1919, the Soviet Union was the first country to recognize its independence. The Soviet Union invested in Afghanistan's economy and infrastructure ever since. The Soviet Union (now Russia) has done a lot more good and did it a lot longer than we have ever done for Afghanistan. That's for sure.

Fidel

Webgear wrote:
Fidel look who was supporting the revolution, it was well off citizens from Kabul, military officers and the educated, the top 1% of the nation.

 

Then why did the US-backed mooj require not six months to overthrow the Afghan PDPA army as suggested by the NY Times and newz rags in Islamabad, but more than TWO YEARS to take Kabul if there was no support for the People's Democratic Party of Afghanistan government? The Sovs were long gone by the time Gulbby and Arab-Afghan and Tadjiki and mooj warlords were celebrating the destruction of Kabul by raping and killing Afghan women at that point. Two years! Were the mooj and druglords and their CIA backers just dogging it for two years? In fact, the men and women volunteers of the PDPA army kicked their asses pretty good for them at Jalalabad and held them off for months at a time until the CIA and Pakistani army could send more rocket launchers and more bullets costing $5 dollar US apiece and more billions in funding to keep the mercenaries and warlords interested in the good fight for western world imperialist control of Afghanistan.

Some of the fearless Afghan women volunteers who battled and kicked mooj ass from 1989 to 1992. And they did it without any help from anyone, unlike the mooj with their multi-billion dollar outside supporters and bases in Pakistan.

[url=[/url]">http://www.internationalist.org/afghanwomen1001.html][IMG]http://img.pho...

Fidel

And where were NATO gangsters then? They should have been there helping these women and the millions of Afghans who eventually fled the country while the CIA's Islamic gladios tore the country apart from 1992 to 1995. Instead the "democratic" western world turned our backs on the carnage. Shameless bastards that they are anyway.

Webgear, you are led by followers and US lackies in the Canadian military. Quit while you are still able to think for yourself

[url=http://www.nationalpost.com/news/canada/story.html?id=2336499]Afghanistan pullout to cost hundreds of millions of dollars[/url]

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Although nobody will yet hazard a guess about what the pullout from Kandahar will cost, getting everything back to Canada will cost many hundreds of millions of dollars...

Canada does not possess nearly enough military airlift for an operation on this scale, so hundreds of flights by outsized Russian and Ukrainian cargo jets will have to be chartered at a cost of as much as $1.5-million per trip. Those aircraft will take home 1,072 vehicles and dozens of helicopters and other very large or dangerous items such as artillery guns

What a dreadful thought pulling out of Afghanistan would be for lackies in the Canadian military. And here they are telling the truth:

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"Our commanders have been very clear. The military part is leaving," said Lt.-Col. Scott Mackenzie of Edmonton, who was Canada's chief logistician in Kandahar until last month. "Everyone knows at the back of their heads that there is a chance that this could change somewhat at some point, but moving all the stuff home is all that we are looking at right now.

"The military part is leaving" and things "could change somewhat at some point." Our stooges can't even expect a straight up answer from their masters in Warshington as to what our colonial troops will be doing in the near future. Miserable vicious toadies that they are! The follicles of their nose-hairs must ache from being led around the world like that.

NorthReport

Fresh U.S. troops allow Canadian commander in Afghanistan to think 'big'

 

http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5gmloea49X8xveMTU-8bVB5Gt-hkQ

Webgear

Frmsldr

If you reread the posts you will see Fidel and I are talking about the Soviet/Afghan War. At the beginning of the war in 1979/80 the countryside was not devastated the average Afghan was able to produce large amounts to feed food themselves.

However after 1981 the Soviets began to target locations where food was being grown, they targeted farms in order to stop the locals from producing food which they were getting to the insurgents.

 If you look at the UNAMA minefield maps of southern Afghanistan, you will see the Soviets targeted those green belts with massive minefields. The wage a war on the local population, in order to prevent them from helps the mujahedeen.

Fidel

Is it very disappointing and discouraging to try and discuss issues with you when you talk like this

Fidel wrote:

Webgear, you are led by followers and US lackies in the Canadian military. Quit while you are still able to think for yourself.

Please, Webgear, we're Canadians here. We are able to think for ourselves. No more Yanqui bullshit, please. You're only embarrassing yourself as well as vicious toadies in the Canadian military taking orders from their bosses in liar-liar land.

If you can't believe what comes from the horse's mouth wrt our imperial masters, who in turn are instructing our stooges in Ottawa and therefore your bosses in the Canadian military, then who can you believe, Webgear?

Can you not discuss issues in a civilized manner? You have not once address any of the facts presented to you.

Every other word out of mouth is "Yanqui this", "northern Port Rico that" can you please stop it.

I am not even sure why I try.

 

NDPP

Taliban Bring Order Say Afghans

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/taliban-bring-order-say-afgha...

"The militants are being welcomed in the Afghan capital's poorer areas by people who are angry over corruption and give them food, cash and weapons.."

Fidel

Webgear wrote:
Can you not discuss issues in a civilized manner?

You do realize that what Canadian soldiers are doing in Afghanistan since Paul Martin would be considered illegal if they were to murder people on Canadian soil? Over there, "it's counter-insurgency." Here in the "civilized" world, it's murder. Murder has nothing to do with civilized society. Murder is the ultimate expression of insanity. The CIA and Brits and Saudis and ISI, Taliban officials, Hekmatyar etc - they talk in a semi-civilized manner behind closed doors all the time. Meanwhile, Canadian soldiers merely follow orders from Warshington to carry on with the "counter-insurgency" on a need to know basis. And no one else needs to know but the druglords and CIA and Saudis and Pentagon capitalists.

Webgear wrote:
You have not once address any of the facts presented to you.

The Canadian military doesn't deal in facts just orders from Warshington. Trust and obey, it's the only way.

Webgear

Again you do not address the facts presented to you.

Fidel

Webgear wrote:
Again you do not address the facts presented to you.

Osama bin Laden, the mooj, ISI, Saudi royals, and Al CIA'duh all are our friends. In the same way that the Nazis were. 

They wouldn't lie to you about putting Canadian lives on the line for a bit of brown sugar, some smack, and great game bullshit. Would they? It's more noble than all that. Isn't it? We could be their proxies again someday with laying siege to St Petersburg and Moscva, Tehran and Beijing. We could cannibalize corpses to stay alive in the middle of Russian winter. Making a grab for corporate living space would be glorious sometime down the road. And, of course, we would be making way for civilized society and their right to be surrounded by nuclear weapons. Real civilized for sure.

Polunatic2

The Nine Surges of Obama’s War: How to Escalate in Afghanistan

An interesting analysis by Tom Engelhart who argues that the "30,000" new troops announced by Obama is just the tip of the iceberg. He goes through the "nine surges" which include: 

  • the troop surge with about 15,000 additional troops unaccounted for
  • contractor surge
  • militia surge
  • civilian employee surge
  • CIA and Special forces surge
  • the base-building surge
  • the training surge
  • the cost surge
  • the anti-withdrawal surge

 

Unionist
G. Muffin

Unionist, what can I do?  I feel so, oh, I don't know, lacking capacity to instruct counsel by virtue of my psychiatric status.

Unionist

[url=Red">http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/12/15/afghanistan-red-cross-taliban-p... Cross makes first visit to prisoners held by Taliban[/url]

 

Fidel

[url=http://www1.voanews.com/english/news/asia/Suicide-Car-Bomb-in-Afghanista... human beings murdered in Afghanistan[/url]

 

Warfiteering and great game politics rage on merrily

NDPP

Russia, Nato and Afghanistans: High Stakes Great Game

http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/12/russia-nato-and-afghanistan-high-stake...

"US President Barack Obama's now expanding war against the Taliban is garnering support from liberals and neocons alike, from leaders around the world, even from Russia..."

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[url=http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2009/12/17/12191591-ap.html]Militants hack U.S. spy system with $26 software[/url]

 

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Shiite fighters in Iraq used off-the-shelf software programs such as SkyGrabber - available for as little as $25.95 on the Internet - to regularly capture drone video feeds, the Wall Street Journal reported Thursday. The interception, first done there at least a year ago, was possible because the remotely flown planes had unprotected communications links.

Within the last several months, the military has found evidence of at least one instance where insurgents in Afghanistan also monitored U.S. drone video, a second defence official said. He had no details on how many times it was done in Afghanistan or by which group.

Unionist

Great story, RP - and now we have Internet Explosive Devices too!

Fidel

Damn! Foiled by low tech again.

NDPP

Afghan Resistance Statement Regarding the Invader's Recent Brutality

http://www.alemarah.info/english/

"The people of the world, particularly our countrymen know that the invading forces usually detain miserable Afghans under various pretexts and then torture them. These atrocities have been continuing at the hands of the invaders for the past eight years..."

PraetorianFour

That's pretty funy about them capturing video feeds from the predators. If I was them I would try and get "caught on camera" then print my own picture up then photoshop it into a WANTED: REWARD poster.

Webgear

IED kills Canadian and Afghan soldiers in Afghanistan

 

"Lt. Andrew Richard Nuttall, along with an Afghan soldier, died when an improvised explosive device detonated in the town of Nakhoney, the military said early Thursday.....

The death was the first in almost two months, when Sapper Steven Marshall was killed, and the first since Menard took over as top commander in Kandahar province."

NDPP

Afghans Turn to Taleban Justice

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/Afghanistan/article6970962.ece

"We are poor people. We know the Government doesn't help people like us..."

same here

NDPP

Afghanistan Is A Testing Ground

http://canada.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/69980

"If Afghanistan is a trial test of NATO in its sixtieth year, it is not so for the NATO of 1949 but of what leading Alliance officials and other proponents in recent years have referred to as 21st century NATO, expeditionary NATO, global NATO: The first attempt in history to forge an international military alliance..."

Unionist

[url=http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/12/30/afghanistan-us-casualties.html]8 Americans killed in suicide blast[/url]

Twice as many U.S. personnel were killed in Afghanistan this year than in Iraq.

The end is nearer than the invaders think.

ETA: CBC's the National just reported that all eight were CIA agents. Shame.

 

Frmrsldr

Four Canadian soldiers and a journalist killed by an IED blast.

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/12/30/kandahar-soldiers.html

Jason Ditz covers both stories:

http://news.antiwar.com/2009/12/30/eight-americans-killed-in-afghan-bomb...

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“First the foreign troops entered the guest room and shot two of them. Then they entered another room and handcuffed the seven students. Then they killed them. Abdul Khaliq [the farmer] heard shooting and came outside. When they saw him they shot him as well. He was outside. That’s why his wife wasn’t killed.”

A local elder, Jan Mohammed, said that three boys were killed in one room and five were handcuffed before they were shot. “I saw their school books covered in blood,” he said.

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