The Afghan people will win - part 3

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Any women taking public profile positions in Afghanistan life is in danger. I applaud any woman in Afghanistan who does so.

I see oblique smears, as smears, period. But protest away. I see your meaning as being pretty damn clear.


I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, remind. Bravery on the side of imperialism, aggression, and enslavement is not a laudable quality. At least find out what this person stood for and did in life before praising her.




Just as women under the Taliban had few if any life choices, the exact same conditions exist in the post-Taliban, western installed puppet government.  Under either repressive system, women are forced to make do with the hand they've been dealt.  If it means that an activist for women's rights, if this is what she was, is forced to work with, meet with, and beg to a puppet government for the slightest glimmer of hope, then no fault should be found in it.  To equate reported activities on behalf of long suffering, oppressed human beings who are seeking out the barest means of survival with the actions of a corrupt, oppressive puppet regime is a fallacy, and a revolting one at that.  While it's true that we have little to go on for information both about the woman or her activities, it's thin gruel as well to just say that she was a collaborator.


Slumberjack wrote:
While it's true that we have little to go on for information both about the woman or her activities, it's thin gruel as well to just say that she was a collaborator.

And attributing "bravery" to her on no evidence is what... a rich and hearty stew?

No one has said she was a "collaborator".




The fact that Achakzai had no internet references prior to her murder could be an indication that she was a strong advocate for Afghan women's rights. The fact that after her murder our sold out mainstream media is "selling" this message to the Western plebs means that they are trying to form public opinion to justify further escalating the West's military engagement in Afghanistan.

Notice, that mainstream North America didn't cover Malalai Joya either. Democracy Now!, PBS, student unions and universities invited her to give speeches in forums when she visited Canada and America in 2006. The Cons and the had nothing to do with her, only the NDP.


Frmrsldr wrote:
Unionist, The fact that Achakzai had no internet references prior to her murder could be an indication that she was a strong advocate for Afghan women's rights.

Yeah, maybe. But tell me this. After her murder, she is described as a "women's rights activists". I have an interest in how news is created. Can you tell me [b]who called her a "women's rights activist"[/b]? Where did the media (just a few media, by the way) get this information, given that she appears never once to have been the subject of a single news story before [b]yesterday[/b]?

I can't rule out that more reliable sources, such as RAWA or Aljazeera, may yet say something - anything - about her. But they haven't yet. So, rather than speculate about what a heroic figure she is because AP and AFP say so - or because they were totally silent before - I think I'll just wait and see. Meanwhile, it's interesting how consent gets manufactured, isn't it?



I listened to CBC radio, the information they had was from remaining relatives living in Germany and Canada. CBC radio's As It Happens had an interview with an Afghan MP who, along with his wife, were close friends.

Now, whether these people are legitimate and are who they claim to be or are employees of a marketing firm and we are all the victims of our government and our commercial societies' corporate spin - like the "Kuwaiti" woman who "witnessed" Iraqi soldiers dumping babies out of incubators in the 1990 invasion of Kuwait - I don't know.


[url=][color=red]Afghanistan Exposed: "There are many more secret heroines in Afghanistan."[/color][/url]

Malalai Joya Dec, 2008

Seven years ago, the US bombed Afghanistan under the pretenses of "bringing democracy" and "liberating Afghan women." Within weeks, the Taliban was removed and we Afghans had hope that we'd be able to create a promising and free society. Then, only weeks later, the US government betrayed us by relying on the criminal warlords of the Northern Alliance to aid them in their fight against the Taliban and to help run the country. And now, there are ongoing negotiations to have the Taliban, which has regained its foothold in my country, officially share power with Hamid Karzai's puppet government.

. . . US/NATO forces have killed more Afghan civilians than terrorists—without any repercussions. The US and its allies are here for their own interests and the fate of Afghanistan’s people has no price to them. The Taliban, along with warlords and drug smugglers (including Burhanuddin Rabbani, Abdul Rab Rasul Sayyaf, Qasim Fahim, Younis Qanooni, Ismail Khan, Gulabzoi, Mohammad Mohaqiq, Rashid Dostum, Karim Khalili, General Daud, Hazrat Ali, and Ata Mohammad) who make up Afghanistan’s ruling class, are in reality the sworn enemies of true democratic values. . . . Even so, I vow to speak out about the truth here in Afghanistan; it is the best possible way for me to care for my suffering people. Over 85% of Afghans are living below the poverty line and don’t have enough to eat. While the US military spends $65,000 a minute in Afghanistan for its operations, up to 18 million people (out of a population of only 26 million) live on less than $2 US a day, according to the Food and Agriculture Organization. Many women in Afghanistan find all doors closed to them. Gang rape of women—some as young as 4 years old—has reached record levels. But rapists, most of whom are powerful warlords, enjoy immunity—or are pardoned by Mr. Karzai himself. According to UNIFEM, 65% of the 50,000 widows in Kabul see suicide as the only answer to their miseries and desolation. . .

One time Anglo-American proxies,  the Taliban, could be recognized as legit as Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge were at UN pow wows, if democratizers have their way in Afghanistan. Malalai Joya says it most plainly - the democratizers have been setting up a ruling class to govern Afghanistan. This has been the USA's agenda in Afghanistahn for the last quarter of a century. Malalai Joya once described Northern Alliance warlords and Taliban as "brothers in creed." Our plutocrats in North America would recognize this dichotomy in western world politics with Whigs and Tories in the old country, and now  Conservatives and Liberals here and Liberal Democrats and Republicans there. The goal is to create a mirror image of what we have here but in colonial outposts, like Afghanistan. It's a phony war on terror. And the casualites in all of this colonialism have been Afghan women. Women represent approximately 51% of any normal population. Afghanistan's civil war has been described as the first in recent history to be instigated by a women's rights movement. I think that US hawks and their proxies in Afghanistan are all brothers in creed.




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Webgear wrote:
They were/are of the same cloth as Malalai Joya and other members of RAWA.

All the other members? Some of the other members? What cloth is that - spending 20 years in exile, and then planning an open-ended trip to Canada while waiting to see what the upcoming "elections" produce?

Malalai Joya has been threatened with violent rape and murder by Northern Alliance commanders in Karzai's government as well as the Taliban. Ms Joya and Afghan supporters were responsible for prodding Karzai to fire a former Taliban official and who was a member of Karzai's government. Misogyny and extreme violations of women's basic rights were also tactics used by US-backed and trained rightwing death squads in Central America throughout the 1980s and 90s and continuing to a certain degree in countries like Guatemala and El Salvador today. Women's rights tend to be associated with true democracy and leftwing pinko agendas as far as US hawks and Brits are concerned.

I dont imagine very many Afghan women would want to draw unnecessary attention to themselves. Malalai Joya is an especially courageous woman. She could have taken refuge in Europe or Canada but is choosing to oppose the US proxies and Taliban representing an overall menace to democracy and basic human rights in Afghanistan.

These are all US-backed war criminals, drug barons, and theocratic feudalists whove resumed what has been an ongoing Darwinian battle to the finish among themselves since the 1990s. US hawks have a distinguished and notorious history of dealing with the scum of the earth in destabilizing countries and basically getting what they want. As Malalai Joya said once before,  "from the fying pan into the fire" is not a real choice for Afghans. Not really.


Welcome back, Fidel, I missed you, and I never agreed with your "suspension" in the first place.

And yes, I agree that Malalai Joya is a courageous and noted activist for women's rights and democratic freedoms in general. Then again, she is not an "official" in any puppet regime, nor can I imagine that she would be.

Meanwhile, we have managed to send another youth - 21-year-old Trooper Karine Blais - to a vain death abroad:

[url=][color=red]Canadian soldier killed, 4 wounded by roadside bomb[/color][/url]


i don't know anything about the Afghan woman who was murdered, but i must say it was disgusting to see Karzai's brother's face on the news, making like he was bemoaning her death.  He's partly responsible himself, one of the drug-running crowd that thrives on the country's pain, along with the other warlords and taliban misogynists.


I have always heard that Ahmad Wali Khan Karzai was linked to the drug trade however I have never seen any evidence.

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It's nice that the CAF can use this latest meaningless death to demonstrate how progressive the Canadian army is. From Unionist's link:

Paul downplayed Blais' gender, saying the Canadian army has come a long way over the last 15 years.

"Right now you can see women serving in every type of environment," Paul said. "Those women are showing a lot of courage. They are here standing shoulder to shoulder with all the men in the whole battle group."

Everyone is considered part of the team no matter their gender, ethnicity or language, he said.

It's just sick.



Webgear wrote:

I have always heard that Ahmad Wali Khan Karzai was linked to the drug trade however I have never seen any evidence.

Kind of like Bin Laden and 9/11?

Actually, who cares whether this particular Karzai is linked to the drug trade? I've seen evidence linking him to the invasion and occupation of his country by foreign murderers, and further evidence that he has benefited from it. You appear to consider that as a less serious crime than being "linked to the drug trade".


martin dufresne

Yeah, they must be thinking "No sense bemoaning Karine Blais' death too; it would just create more pressure for ending this unwinnable war of invasion... Let's just talk about this Achakzai woman."

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Please continue in a new thread. Closing for length.


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