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NorthReport

 

Yemen terror camps attract 'stream of Britons'

Fears raised that country is becoming stronghold for new generation of al-Qaida-inspired fighters

 

"There is a steady stream of people travelling to Yemen, and travel to Yemen is something that is of concern to us," said a UK security source.

Security officials in Yemen said yesterday that 29 al-Qaida suspects had been arrested in a crackdown on the terrorist group.

 

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/dec/28/yemen-terror-camps-britons

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

NorthReport wrote:

Try reading what people post here Ken. Somehow you just overlooked this, didn't you. How convenient. Wink

 

NorthReport wrote:

No one here disagrees that the USA should pull out of these other countries. But that's not our present reality, and we have to live in today's real world, not some make believe world. Listening to some of the comments here one might get the impression we should have no security at airports. Jeesh! 

 

 

I've read everything you've posted here, North.  It's just that that particular post doesn't rebut anything I or anyone else here has posted.

And nobody's said there should be NO airport security.  What we've said is that the existing security arrangements would have stopped this man if only he'd been put on the "no fly list" as he should've been.  Thus, this whole situation was the fault of your beloved "authorities".

And, what, may I ask, did the "movie" remark mean?

There isn't actually anything that could guarantee absolutely that nobody will blow up an airplane.

And it goes without saying that continuing U.S. military and political intervention in the Middle East will make the abolition of "terrorism" impossible.

Further security measures won't actually stop anyone with a bomb.  What they will do is pointlessly delay and harass innocent people, lead to more unjust treatment of "Arab-looking"(or now, God help us "Nigerian-looking" people)in airports and will be used to disrupt the travel of people on the left to political events.  You can't honestly think that any of the above are acceptable things, can you?

NorthReport

This sounds a lot like let's blame the victims. I personally think that our suspect might have had a wee hand in what happened here.  

Frmrsldr

Ken Burch wrote:

I've read everything you've posted here, North.  It's just that that particular post doesn't rebut anything I or anyone else here has posted.

And nobody's said there should be NO airport security.  What we've said is that the existing security arrangements would have stopped this man if only he'd been put on the "no fly list" as he should've been.  Thus, this whole situation was the fault of your beloved "authorities".

 

Here Ken, this address should help you a little:

http://wire.antiwar.com/2009/12/26/ap-source-us-knew-of-terror-suspect-2/

Frmrsldr

NorthReport wrote:

This sounds a lot like let's blame the victims. I personally think that our suspect might have had a wee hand in what happened here.  

I think he was an unwilling dupe who had his free will taken from him: A Manchurian Candidate.

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

 

I'm blaming the security services, NOT the people on the plane.  THe security services are NEVER the "victim" of anybody.

What do you want from us, North?  What do you want us to say?

Should we accept that we were wrong to defend civil liberties?  Should we repent our opposition to militarism? 
Should we have cheered when the IDF slaughtered the people of Gaza?

What did WE do that could possibly have had anything to do with what this man did?

 

Jingles

NorthReport is just throwing down a punk card. No one can be that easily fooled and so easily frightened by scary boogeyman stories. It's all theater.

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Quite the bleeding hearts here
 

Nice touch, but that was a total giveaway.

NorthReport

No one is forcing anyone to fly. If you don't like airport security walk, take a canoe. Who cares? Personally as a flier, and someone who has family and friends that fly on a regular basis, no one likes the security measures but I'll take them thank you. 

NorthReport

You almost make it sound like Obama was the suspect here. 

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

You almost make it sound as if WE are.

To hear it from you, the entire Left wore explosives on that flight.

And it's not true that flying is simply an option.  For a lot of people, it's a necessity.  If you live far from relatives and someone dies, you HAVE to fly to make it to the funeral.  I work on the Alaska ferry system and a lot of us have to fly to get to out of town "change ports" to work.  Activists often have to fly to help support people they are in solidarity with in other countries. Immigrants have to fly home to visit relatives.  The notion that flying is something most of us could easily give up if they can't handle pointless repression is insulting to millions of innocent people all over the world.

It was the authorities fault.  They KNEW the guy was dangerous and they didn't put him on the no fly list.  "Bleeding hearts" bear no responsibility for that at all.  And none of us deserve the contempt you've spewed at everyone you disagreed with in this thread.

This was just an excuse to bash the left, and it's especially weird given that you used to pretend to BE on the left.  Well, perhaps you and Christopher Hitchens can get 86'd from the same bars now.

Frmrsldr

Jingles wrote:

NorthReport is just throwing down a punk card. No one can be that easily fooled and so easily frightened by scary boogeyman stories. It's all theater.

 

Jason Ditz wrote:

Law enforcement says they can't corroborate anything Abdulmutallab has claimed, and it isn't even clear if he was ever in Yemen. Still, one would assume an "expert bomb-maker" would have done a little more than sew a condom full of a trivial amount of explosive into someone's underwear and send them on their way.

http://news.antiwar.com/2009/12/27/officials-no-indication-lap-bomber-pa...

NorthReport

It's not complicated like you try and make it out to be.

 

A suspect tried to blow up a plane full of passengers but fortunately he didn't succeed. 

 

Now we have to have increased security measures.

 

I don't like the inconvenience any more than you do but do I care one iota whether or not you or anyone else likes these security measures?  No I do not.

These security measures are there to try and protect the travelling public.  

Jingles

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These security measures are there to try and protect the travelling public.  

Not even the Department of Homeland Security believes that childish nonsense. Of all the reasons why one must endure going through airport security, protecting the public doesn't even make the top ten.

NorthReport

These security issues are just about crippling the airline industry and it is the goal of the US government to bring this industry to its knees. Right. Thanks Jingles for sharing.

Jingles

Pathetic. You'll fall for anything.

Go hide under your covers.

Frmrsldr

NorthReport wrote:

It's not complicated like you try and make it out to be.

A suspect tried to blow up a plane full of passengers but fortunately he didn't succeed. 

 

From the perspective of the Pentagon "success" never meant blowing up the plane.

"Success" was about creating post 9/11 security hysteria and to potentially get the Dutch government to reassess its military disengagement from Afghanistan.

Seen in this light, the operation was a "success".

NorthReport

Brilliant analysis Frmrsldr  - our suspect was a CIA operative. Your intellectual prowess is only surpassed by JinglesLaughing

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

What point were you trying to make by linking to the list of threads that Frmrsldr has participated in?

NorthReport

So when are we gonna fix it? After the sure to come next incident?

Air terrorism attempt reveals bigger 'system' failure

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/28/AR2009122801337.html

NorthReport

 

 

Do you feel safe in the skies?

 

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A preliminary FBI analysis found that the device AbdulMutallab is said to have carried aboard the flight from Amsterdam, Netherlands, to Detroit, Michigan, contained pentaerythritol tetranitrate, an explosive also known as PETN. The amount of explosive was sufficient to blow a hole in the aircraft, a source with knowledge of the investigation told CNN Sunday.

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Frmrsldr

NorthReport wrote:

Brilliant analysis Frmrsldr  - our suspect was a CIA operative. Your intellectual prowess is only surpassed by JinglesLaughing

Dunno/can't say.

I'll tell you this, I have a keen nose for bs (I can smell it from a long way off) and I don't scare easily.

Look around the internet. You will see the White House and the Pentagon are using this "failed" airliner terrorist attack to escalate the American Empire's war against Yemen.InnocentSealed

NorthReport

 

Security agencies in Britain and the US are under increasing pressure to explain how Abdulmutallab was able to board the aircraft despite being on intelligence “watch lists” in both countries.

He had been banned from entering Britain after he applied for a student visa in May to study at a bogus college, according to Alan Johnson, the Home Secretary.

And six weeks ago, his family in Nigeria contacted US security officials to express "concerns" he had become radicalised after he "disappeared" to Yemen, resulting in him being put on a US anti-terror database.

Because the two countries failed to share intelligence however, neither was aware of the full picture.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/6902785/Detroit-terror-attack-suspect-president-of-university-Islamic-society.html

Fidel

NorthReport wrote:

So when are we gonna fix it? After the sure to come next incident?

They'll just have to consider arresting and torturing everyone and bombing and invading every oil-rich country and-or every country bordering their former cold war adversaries, Russia and China. It sounds extreme, I know. But as Maddy Albright said about the medieval siege of Iraq at the root cause of more than half a million children expiring in that desert nation, it'll be "worth it." There are trade-offs with every executive decision.

 

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Col. Jessep-Nicholson: You can't handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that has walls. And those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinberg? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom...A Few Good Men

 

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cobolhacker wrote:Posted 2009/12/28
at 10:44 AM ETWhat I find funny about this whole thing is that airport security didn't catch the guy, it was the passengers on the plane. The Americans should hire them to run airport security, because as near as I can tell they have thwarted more bombers than the Department of Homeland security has.

North report would you like to rebut and make another assinine comment about bleeding hearts by chance?

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Closing for length.

North Report, I really don't know what to say about your persistence in this thread in presenting a mainstream/right wing perspective on the events of last week. There are many sites that welcome such postings and perspectives. We try to take a progressive and critical position on babble. I will be talking to the other mods and getting back to you regarding your continued posting privileges.

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