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Unfortunately, the last decade alone had us bearing witness to any number of missions being undertaken around the world involving sadistic slaughter. Where the slaughter concerns American presidential decisions, we generally don't refer to them as acts of insanity. Mostly they're referred to as collateral mistakes. Obviously they wouldn't be so brazen as to say they meant it.

Some may describe such mistakes, which continue to occur as a matter of routine, in a similar fashion to the Breivik case as cold and calculated acts of murder. In the case of American presidents, the slaughters that occur under their writ; however these are relayed to us through the use of standard talking points and theatrics; however they continue unabated; the justifications have a similar ring to what Breivik has been going on about when you get down to it. Whereas Breivik's crimes were in reaction to what his estimation had managed to figure as having already transpired, or in other words, in reaction to that which he deemed to be already surrounding and threatening a way of life; by contrast the slaughter carried out by successive American Presidents in cooperation with supportive Western leaders has been largely of a pre-emptive nature; something to be met and countered in the most violent fashion wherever necessary, before the actual threatening event transpires. It apparently must also be undertaken elsewhere, meaning as an everyday state of affairs to be conducted the world over into the distant future and beyond, in order to continue driving home to selected audiences with an apparent and bottomless appetite for such nonsense, the fact that we'd much rather prefer to avoid having to deal with it here on main street.

And then someone will say 9/11 as if it were an acronym meaning justification, like a can of ready-made excuse, just stir and serve in a crock whenever a debate requires that decades upon decades of history needs relegating away as being too inconvenient and drawn out to introduce as background material. One decade at a time please and thanks. Meanwhile and with countless Breivik scale ‘collateral' slaughters having occurred over the past ten years and counting, no western leader has been made to stand trial and none will. Society has long been bombarded with Breivik type propaganda, varying degrees of it, which has been firmly embedded within most of our mainstream media content. A lot of people cheered in the theatres at the Chuck Norris movies of the eighties when he was shooting up evil middle eastern terrorists.



NDPP wrote:
Anders Behring Breivik was no more or less 'insane' than the young Zionist soldiers of Israel who cold bloodedly gunned down Palestinian children in Gaza - to defend a White homeland and Western civilization. The sources from which we know he drew his inspiration are loud and persuasive and growing in influence all around us.

Anders Breivik Not 1st Terrorist Linked to EDL


Norway Killer Says No One Would Call Him Insane If He Were 'Bearded Jihadist'

"But because I am a militant nationalist, I am being subjected to grave racism,' he said. 'They are trying to delegitimize everything I stand for.' Mr Breivik insists he is sane and accuses the prosecutors of trying to make him look irrational. 'I see all multicultural political activists as monsters, evil monsters who wish to eradicate our people, our ethnic group, our culture and our country,' he said."


Not sure why he is drawing that racist distinction. Neither Timothy McVeigh, nor Paul Jennings Hill, both white, both convicted for terrorist acts and executed, were suspected of being insane.

... that is to say, I do know why he is saying it, but it is nonsense.




i just gotta say they want to label him insane as can't have people looking too close at right wing "Christian" racists or people might recoil in horror and chuck out of power those  who have more patience than he does.


I apologize for the fact that this piece is by a right wing commentator on a right wing site but he seems to lay out the facts well and his arguments are quite compelling. wrote:

With a tradition of stressing rehabilitation rather than punishment, Norway does not impose the death penalty, and the maximum criminal jail sentence is 21 years. ...

But now, a report released by court-appointed “experts” has declared him legally insane, which means Breivik could be held in a mental health institution rather than being imprisoned at all. He could even be released if such experts later determine that he is no longer a threat to society.

I wonder whether the prosecutors are trying to keep him locked up for ever.  If they get a ruling that his belief system is a major component of his mental illness then there is no doubt he will never recant and thus he will remain in jail until he dies. In Canada he would have a faint hope of getting out if he is convicted as a sane person. In Norway he gets a maximum sentence of 21 years.

This piece also has a good discussion about the nature of the prosecution's claim of insanity. It also helped me understand the difference between some forms of premeditation and others.


Psychiatrists claim Breivik had developed paranoid schizophrenia and was psychotic at the time of the attacks, and that his condition persists. Their report describes examples of different forms of “bizarre delusions,” according to a prosecutor:

They especially describe what they call Breivik’s delusions where he sees himself as chosen to decide who shall live and who shall die, and that he is chosen to save what he calls his people.


Others are more outraged and think that perhaps it is the Norwegian justice system that is insane. “This is completely incomprehensible,” said a leader of the populist Progress Party, which campaigns for tougher criminal sentences. “How can someone who has planned this for such a long time… be considered insane?”

Good question, but careful premeditation isn’t necessarily an indicator of sanity. Case in point: Jared Loughner, the lunatic shooter of Arizona Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords. He had been fixated on Giffords for years as his sanity unraveled, ever since she apparently did not adequately answer an insane question he once asked of her. He planned his attack and even left behind a note saying, “I planned ahead.”

A more appropriate question might be, “How can someone whose motivation to kill stems from a rationally constructed ideology be considered insane?” Loughner’s attack, like that of John Lennon’s shooter Mark David Chapman or Ronald Reagan’s would-be assassin John Hinckley, Jr., was premeditated, but did not derive from any ideological motivation.

I think Breivik is right that Bin Laden would not be called insane.  But that has little to do with race in my view.  I think the distinction made between ongoing delusions such as one that makes you believe Anne Murray is in love with you and a belief that killing people is a proper political solution to national problems is a good one.

In the former case if the person offed the Snow Bird there is a strong probability that on the balance of probabilities he would be judged not criminally responsible but still locked away for his life. Breivik or McVeigh are clear examples of people who suffer from a different type of mental disorder. Breivik understood what he was doing was murder and did it anyway because of his believe that politics can justify murder.


Unlike Loughner, Breivik was a successful, fully functioning adult in society who also held a thoughtfully articulated, if rambling, ideology laid out in a 1500-page manifesto. That ideology led him to blame what he saw as the traitorous multiculturalist European elites for embracing the Muslim immigration causing the disintegration of Western culture. That ideology ultimately compelled him to declare war and to target an Oslo government office and the next generation of those elites at a leftist youth camp.

If he is insane, why not Osama bin Laden or another Islamic terrorist as well? When bin Laden declared all participants in democracy to be valid targets of violent jihad because Allah, not man, should rule man, did this statement stem from personal lunacy or from the “delusional universe” of Islamic fundamentalism to which he subscribed? When he described the worldwide Muslim ummah as being under attack from infidels and therefore justified in waging defensive jihad, could it not be said that, like Breivik, he considered himself “chosen to decide who shall live and who shall die,” and “chosen to save his people”?


If Breivik is judged mentally competent to stand trial I expect he will use a version of the Responsibility to Protect as part of his justification defense.


kropotkin1951 wrote:

I apologize for the fact that this piece is by a right wing commentator on a right wing site but he seems to lay out the facts well and his arguments are quite compelling.


Yes, so was my last as well..


According to this (the source is in Norwegian) a dengerous offender can be kept in prison in five-year increments, even after the 21-year-sentence is completed. So whether or not he is ultimately deemed sane, he can be kept incarcerated if he is seen as dangerous. There was a ruling earlier this month that he was sane, and the question is on the table in this trial, hence Breivik's claims of sanity.

Buddy Kat

'I see all multicultural political activists as monsters, evil monsters who wish to eradicate our people, our ethnic group, our culture and our country,' he said."

Where have I heard talk like that before?

'I see _______________ as monsters, evil monsters who wish to eradicate our people, our ethnic group, our culture and our country"


 Fill in the blanks ..Sounds just like your typical right wing conservative redneck/white supremest and if you insert the word environmentalists ..I will rest my point.


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Breivik-Style: Europe, US, [Canada], 'At Risk' of Anti-Islam Massacre (and vid)

"Counter-Jihad movements that inspired Anders Breivik's Norway massacre are growing in influence in the US and Europe: a recent report by UK activist group Hope Not Hate has mapped their spread, and the links between them.

The document identifies 300 organizations and individuals who use anti-Islam rhetoric to draw in supporters and votes. It highlights the UK as a hotspot for such groups, citing a total of 22 anti-Islamic groups currently operating in the country, naming the Luton based English Defence League (EDL) as one of the most influential..."

JDL-Canada is one such organization formally allied with EDL Luton.


40,000 Sing Breivik A Song He Hates (and vid)

"Forty thousand Norwegians flooded the streets of Oslo in the pouring rain to defy mass murderer Anders Breivik after he derided the popular children's song 'Children of the Rainbow' as a Marxist tool to brainwash children. The size of the crowd meant that an amazing one in fifteen of Oslo's 613,000 residents showed up to the rally. Reuters cites Christine Bar, one of the organizers who launched the event on Facebook as saying:

'We think it represents diversity, and it stands for the community we have chosen to live in - and which Breivik and similar people want to tear down.'

Bam av regnbuen by Lillebjom Nilsen - music by Pete Seeger

The only race is the human race

Anders, this tune's for you...


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NDPP wrote:

Hey earth_as_one

Slavoj Zizek, writing in the guardian in August last year, said of Breivik: 'He realizes the ultimate paradox of a Zionist Nazi - how is this possible?'

oh and 'bubble' instead of babble is very apt and funny..


Hi NDPP...




IMO, Breivik isn't a white supremicist or a Nazi.  His fear is that once the Muslims out number the Norwegians, the Norwegians will be forced into Dhimmitude.  He has no problems with Muslims coming to Norway, giving up Islam and becoming culturally Norwegians.  So this isn't a race issue so much as a Norwegian cultural preservation issue.



Read his Manifesto:



Breivik Uniting Zionism and Nazism

"Breivik talks rather openly about the strategy of supporting and expanding 'street extremism', like the JDL, EDL and NDL (Jewish, English and Norweigian Defense League, respectively)..."


EDL Leader Praises Breivik

"Stephen Yaxley - Nennon (aka Tommy Robinson), the leader of the EDL has recently dropped the faux mask of condemnation against the terrorist Anders Breivik and has explicitly praised Breivik and his actions..The most revealing statement of all is Yaxley-Lennon's claim that Breivik's mass murdering, terrorist attack would have been 'easier to justify' if the targets had been Muslims.."


"In January 2011, Jewish Defence League Canada organized a rally in support of the EDL. Meir Weinstein, national director of the JDL in Canada, defended its stance, saying the EDL is 'taking issue with radical Islam' and supports Israel.."


Anders Behring Breivik, Islam and Israel

"It must be pointed out that Zionist supporters of Israel are one of the beneficiaries of the tensions currently being played out in Europe. Indeed, the newfound alliance between pro-Israeli Zionists and ultranational anti-Islamists is one of the most intriguing aspects of today's political scene..."

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If accurate, this CNN report is astounding.  If the prosecutors cannot get Breivik committed to an asylum, then the "prosecutors will ask for 21 years of prison for Breivik."

Just 21 years for killing over seventy people??


Sven I think in an earlier thread I jumped on that right wing talking point myself.  I found though that I like the CNN was wrong.  The determinate sentence is 21 years maximum.  He can still be held for the rest of his life in 5 year increments.

In Canada you get life with no chance of parole for 25 years but there is always a faint hope that a killer will be released.  In many cases where the crime is a crime of passion, not a mass murder for political reasons, after 21 or 25 years the murderer is no longer a threat to society.  If you are a murderer in Canada even if you get parole you never get off probation. the state will always have a right to be involved in overseeing your life.

In this thread 6079 corrected that right wing garbage in post 58 about 60 days ago.  CNN proves once again it is not a news agency but a propaganda machine.

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He should be forced to watch Barney reruns for 50 years


On the last day of his trial, Anders Behring Breivik's defence lawyers on Friday tried to cast the confessed mass killer as a political militant motivated by an extreme right-wing ideology rather than a delusional madman who killed 77 people for the sake of killing.

Since Breivik has admitted to the bomb-and-gun attacks on July 22, the self-styled anti-Muslim militant's mental state has been the key focus of the 10-week trial.

Nevertheless, Breivik's defence lawyer Geir Lippestad requested that the 32-year-old Norwegian be acquitted or given the mildest possible prison term for the country's worst peacetime massacre. The plea for acquittal was made out of principle, without any realistic chance of success: Breivik claims he acted in defence of his nation and that the killings were therefore justified.

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kropotkin1951 wrote:

CNN proves once again it is not a news agency but a propaganda machine.

I think what it "proves" is that the reporter (and editor) were sloppy reporting on this story.


Sven wrote:

kropotkin1951 wrote:

CNN proves once again it is not a news agency but a propaganda machine.

I think what it "proves" is that the reporter (and editor) were sloppy reporting on this story.

When it happens once it is sloppy reporting. When it is an ongoing and persistent problem it is propaganda. They have long been following the rule that a good corporate outlet should never let the facts get in the way of a good story.  The press in America is not free it was bought and paid for a long time ago. They are worse than most state media outlets around the world. I rank them on a par with Press TV.  They get some of the facts right but some wrong and they both conveniently leave out facts they don't think fit with the "story."  


Anders Behring Breivik: Lone Nut or Sane, Connected Militant?  -   by Brit Dee

"...Defence lawyer Geir Lippestad today referenced the fact that others share his client's extreme political ideology, a point already proven by individuals such as the Jewish Defence League's Roberta Moore, who openly agreed with Breivik's beliefs, and, which more alarmingly, supported his murderous actions.

Regardless of whether the militant network Breivik claims to be part of really exists, there is no doubt that some do support his call to arms - a hugely worrying fact that has been consistently downplayed during the trial. In their determination to portray Breivik as 'mad', the prosecution has avoided a discussion of the very real problems in Europe - and the very real threat posed by extremist ultranationalists..."


Anders Breivik: Violence is Not a Common Symptom of Mental Illness (and vid)

"Brit Dee has been following and writing about the Anders Breivik court case..'


Norwegian Mass Murderer Breivik Sentenced to 21 Years

"...The ruling does not alter the fact that Breivik's trial was the culmination of an official cover-up set in motion the day of his arrest. The question of his sanity, which dominated the trial, was a diversion introduced to prevent an honest examination of what was clearly a politically motivated crime. There is every possibility that the shootings were carried out with the aid of far-right sympathisers across Europe..."

'So let us fight together with Israel, with our Zionist brothers against all anti-Zionists, against all cultural Marxists/multiculturalists. If Israel loses in the Middle East, Europe will succumb to Islam next..." Breivik Manifesto


Prison Authorities To Make Breivik Comfortable to Prevent 'Deviations'

"...In my memory this is the first time in Norwegian history that a convict is to spend such a long time in a strict-security cell. We have to somehow compensate for the isolation, so he does not develop any deviation,' said Prison Director Knut Bjarkeid. The benefits will likely include a laptop, personal visits, and being able to maintain some correspondence with the outside world.."

conditions considerably better than Omar Khadr's in Guantanamo...

and/or maybe the average welfare recipient's living conditions under the Ontario Lib-NDP budget too...


Interview - Tom Secker on the Breivik Verdict (and podcast)

"Last month Anders Breivik was sentenced to 21 years in prison for killing 77 people. There are still unanswered questions...'


Breivik displays many similarities portrayed in the character 'Bloom' from Joyce's Ulysses, confusion or a foreignness to one's surroundings for instance, which in certain situations results in some form of outburst against the surrounding. Mass shootings which target people who look and behave similarly in their everyday life to the person shooting betray a similarity to Bloom as well. Such incidents are not entirely inexplicable as the media tells it.


Police Helped Carry Out Norway Attack?

"Oslo police 'knew' the car number plate of the Oslo bomber, alleged to be 'Anders Breivik'. But the police failed to follow the bomber's care from Oslo to Utoya island. Reportedly, Britt Borve, Oslo Police Department's Operation leader 'blocked' the anti-terror DELTA force from pursuing the bomber's care..."