Coronavirus: what Canadians need to know

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I have been curious for the past many weeks about the disappearance of Manitoba Shared Health Chief Nursing Officer Lanette Siragusa from the public information campaign. Aren't public health nurses on the forefront of doing COVID-19 contact tracing (and possibly testing before some of it was farmed out to Dynacare)?

As for the three Winnipeg men referenced above who are complaining about follow-up on contact lists, why did the go in for testing? If I suspected I was exposed and went in for testing, I would alert anyone I knew personally that I had been in contact with in the last 2 week period before getting results. But I would wait for public health to follow up on any public places I might have been in during that period.

Aristotleded24

Honestly, I'm not sure there's any point in even following the list of exposures the province publishes. Sometimes the exposures are posted almost a week (or even more) after the exposure happened. Then the official instructions are that anyone there doesn't need to isolate but should watch for symptoms. We're already watching for the specified symptoms anyways, so what good is that list anyways?

That's why I feel very safe going to a gym during this time (as soon as I can find one close to me that is open). Gyms already kept detailed records of who comes and goes and for what time. I'm sure if there was a covid exposure that they would be able to track me down and let me know right away. "Some guy might have been on this bus route at such-and-such a time" sounds more nebulous to me.

NDPP

Coronavirus Update: 10/22/2020

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/10/22/2020

  • Quebec reports 1,672 new cases, 19 deaths
  • Alberta sets daily case record with 406 infections
  • BC sets new daily COVID-19 record as total caseload tops 12,000
  • Ontario records slight dip in cases but deaths spike
  • 102-year old Winnipeg LTC resident dies of COVID-19 1 month after moving in
  • EU shuts door to travel from Canada

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Ontario Allows Dance Studios in COVID-19 Hotspots to Reopen With Restrictions

https://twitter.com/SharkawyMD/status/1318557418759086082

"Indoor physical exertion for an hour around strangers without masks is ok but outdoor candy collecting for 30 minutes with your family isn't. THIS is exactly the kind of poor messaging that undermines public health guidance."

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Toronto's COVID-19 Positivity Rate is Now Nearly Double 'High Alert' Range Used by Province

https://www.cp24.com/news/toronto-s-covid-19-positivity-rate-is-now-near...

"Steep rise cause for concern, especially when considered alongside rising case counts and hospitalization rates."

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PM, Health Officials Warn Canadians Against Believing COVID-19 'Internment Camps' Disinformation

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/covid-19-internment-camps-disinformatio...

"...Independent Ontario MPP Randy Hillier, a vocal anti-masker who has likened the current pandemic to a bad flu season, has been warning his eastern Ontario constituents that the federal government is preparing to establish 'camps' for COVID-patients.

NDP MP Charlie Angus also said he has been 'inundated' by messages about the possibility of being put in mandatory camps as hundreds of Canadians continue to contract the novel coronavirus. 'I want to say simply that there are no secret internment camps being built,' Angus said in a letter to his constituents. 'Government is not preparing to take people away or impose some dark vaccine agenda..."

But thank heavens we at least have those Facebook 'fact-checkers' from the Atlantic Council paid for by Burisma protecting us from 'Russian disinformation'.

NDPP

AstraZeneca vaccine volunteer dies in Brazil.

bekayne

NDPP wrote:

AstraZeneca vaccine volunteer dies in Brazil.

Was that the one that was in the placebo group?

bekayne

So much for "no second wave in Sweden"

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

 

Aristotleded24

Here is a question I have about the data. This is the time of year when we can expect higher cases of respiratory illnesses and infections. We are also seeing a rise in coronavirus cases, in many cases breaking records each day. Is there any data showing the number of coronavirus cases compared to all other respiratory infections? Are covid cases happening on top of the usual respiratory infections we have this time of year? Is the increase in covid cases coindicent with a drop in the numbers for all other infections? Is the total number of all respiratory infections what you would expect for this time of year, or is there any major deviation in any direction?

Aristotleded24

bekayne wrote:
So much for "no second wave in Sweden"

">https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

Sweden took much longer go get to this point than most other European countries. The rising infection curve in Sweden is not as sharp as you are seeing in other European countries, which have been breaking or in some cases shattering new records on a daily basis. We will see how they do. This won't go on forever. Eventually the numbers in all of these countries are going to start falling.

NDPP

COVID-19 Pandemic LIVE: World Map/Count

https://youtu.be/NMre6IAAAiU

10/24/2020 (Updating)

Second wave a tsunami!

NDPP

COVID Canada Update: 10/24/2020

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/

  • Canada breaks record for number of new COVID-19 cases in a single day
  • BC tops 2,000 active cases of COVID-19
  • Alberta reaches 300 COVID-19 deaths as cases continue to set record
  • FN reserves avoided first wave but officials warn of troubling new surge
  • Masks could cut US COVID-19 deaths by 130,000

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WHO: Countries on 'Dangerous Track' in COVID-19 Pandemic

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/10/23/who-countries-on-dangerous-tra...

"Too many nations, particularly in the northern hemisphere, seeing an exponential increase in coronavirus cases, with hospitals and intensive care units running close to capacity, WHO chief says..."

NDPP

Dr John Campbell, Coronavirus Update: 10/24/2020

https://youtu.be/tTJw2B6GCRo

"Viral exposure guidelines, US and UK - 'a disturbing trend'.

As temperatures dip don't forget the critical importance of ventilation and air-flow to reduce likelihood of infection.

Pondering
  • US 892 deaths per million
  • Sweden 586
  • Canada 261
  • Denmark 121
  • Australia  35
  • New Zealand 5
  • China 3
NDPP

As usual America's Number One!

Aristotleded24

NDPP wrote:
WHO: Countries on 'Dangerous Track' in COVID-19 Pandemic

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/10/23/who-countries-on-dangerous-tra...

"Too many nations, particularly in the northern hemisphere, seeing an exponential increase in coronavirus cases, with hospitals and intensive care units running close to capacity, WHO chief says..."

With all due respect to the World Health Organization, why is this even a concern to them? Nearly every country in the Northern Hemisphere has the capacity to handle health care issues on its own without assistance.

Aristotleded24

From the al-Jazeera link:

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The WHO has warned the co-circulation of the annual flu season in winter months and COVID-19 – both of which cause respiratory illness – could place an additional burden on vulnerable populations and healthcare systems that are already stretched because of the pandemic.

You mean how covid and the flu combined to knock over health care systems during the southern hemisphere flu season?

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Health systems across the southern hemisphere were bracing a few months ago for their annual surge in influenza cases, which alongside Covid-19 could have overwhelmed hospitals. They never came.

Many countries in the southern half of the globe have instead experienced either record low levels of flu or none at all, public health specialists in Australia, New Zealand and South America have said, sparing potentially tens of thousands of lives and offering a glimmer of hope as winter approaches in the northern hemisphere.

General practitioners in New Zealand have not detected a single influenza case since they started screening patients in June, health data shows; last year about 57% of the samples they collected were positive.

Pondering

I'm getting my flu vaccine in November because it is delivered in my building but I expect the flu season to be way down due to precautions taken for Covid. 

I'm not sure what you think the role of the WHO is. 

  • providing leadership on matters critical to health and engaging in partnerships where joint action is needed;
  • shaping the research agenda and stimulating the generation, translation and dissemination of valuable knowledge;
  • setting norms and standards and promoting and monitoring their implementation;
  • articulating ethical and evidence-based policy options;
  • providing technical support, catalysing change, and building sustainable institutional capacity; and
  • monitoring the health situation and assessing health trends.

NDPP

Ontario reporting 978 new cases today.

NDPP

Debunking the False Claim that COVID Death Counts are Inflated

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/debunking-the-false-claim-tha...

"The scope of the coronavirus's deadly toll is clear, even if final numbers will not be known until the pandemic is over.."

NDPP

Tracing the spread of Coronavirus in Canada and around the world

https://twitter.com/CBCAlerts/status/1320730628443246597

"Ontario reports 851 new cases of COVID-19 cases, a day after the province reported a single-day record of 1,042 cases.

 

"We're Going to Have to Have All Hands of Deck' (and vid)

https://twitter.com/SharkawyMD/status/1320712986936442880

"The time to bear down is overdue. The sacrifices of some will be more than others but pale in comparison to the cost that will be borne by everyone if we continue to 'wait and see'. That's a recipe for guaranteed failure."

Aristotleded24

laine lowe wrote:
I have been curious for the past many weeks about the disappearance of Manitoba Shared Health Chief Nursing Officer Lanette Siragusa from the public information campaign. Aren't public health nurses on the forefront of doing COVID-19 contact tracing (and possibly testing before some of it was farmed out to Dynacare)?

She's back:

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As stricter COVID-19 control measures come into effect in Winnipeg schools and in northern Manitoba, and as the disease puts increasing strain on Manitoba's health-care system, the chief provincial public health officer and chief nursing officer will give an update on the pandemic in the province.

Dr. Brent Roussin, chief provincial public health officer, and Lanette Siragusa, chief nursing officer with Manitoba Shared Health, will hold a media briefing at 12:30 p.m. CBC News will live stream the news conference here.

This will be the first time Siragusa has been at a COVID-19 briefing since Aug. 4.

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

A study from Vanderbilt University shows quite clearly the effect of mask mandates in Tennessee. These 4 graphs show the increase/decrease in patients hospitalized for covid relative to July 1 for 4 categories of hospitals, depending on the percentage of their patients who live in counties with mask mandates. The results are striking, to say the least.

Pondering

Chilling how much it spreads even with people wearing masks. 

Aristotleded24

Michael Moriarity wrote:

A study from Vanderbilt University shows quite clearly the effect of mask mandates in Tennessee. These 4 graphs show the increase/decrease in patients hospitalized for covid relative to July 1 for 4 categories of hospitals, depending on the percentage of their patients who live in counties with mask mandates. The results are striking, to say the least.

That's a very interesting study, Michael. It suggests that in that particular context in Tennessee, mask use did make a difference in the load in hospital cases. Meanwhile, there was a Danish study about mask use that the authors are having a hard time finding someone to publish. We don't know what's gonig on, but we can speculate. The current conventional wisdom is that masks work and should be worn. Would a study suggesting that conclusion have any difficulty being published in this environment? Does the fact that this particular study is not being published suggest that the results go against the conventional wisdom? If information challenging the current scientific conventional wisdom is being suppressed, it would be far from the first time in history that the scientific establishment closed ranks against an idea that eventually came to be accepted.

Either way, I think it's in the public interest to know the results of the Danish study. More data leads to more understanding, which in turn leads to better decisions, which in turn leads to better outcomes.

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

I can see why there is reluctance to publish that Danish study. The methodology is idiotic. They had a test group wear masks, and they had a control group with no masks, and they compared which group was more likely to get covid. They may very well have shown no correlation at all between mask use and probability of infection. However, as I have patiently explained several times on this board, that is totally the wrong question to ask.

The question of interest is: if everyone in a population wears a mask, how much will that lower the rate of transmission? This study does nothing to answer that question and is therefore a big waste of the money and resources. However, if published in a prestigious journal, it will be misinterpreted by motivated thinkers (and science -illiterate journalists) as proof of the important question which it did not even address.

Aristotleded24
Pondering

Aristotleded24 wrote:
Either way, I think it's in the public interest to know the results of the Danish study. More data leads to more understanding, which in turn leads to better decisions, which in turn leads to better outcomes.

Not if it is garbage data. 

“We cannot start discussing what they are dissatisfied with, because in that case we must also explain what the study showed – and we do not want to discuss that until it is published,” explains Christian Torp-Pedersen.

Why not? If three major journals have refused to publish it may never happen. If they believe the data they assembled is being surpressed they could self-publish and allow the scientific community to weigh in. If it is a serious study then others will want to duplicate it. It's impossible to supress the results against their will. 

NDPP

COVID Canada Update: 10/28/2020

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus

  • Few outlets for grief as Canada's COVID death toll surpasses 10,000
  • Trudeau : Christmas getaways are up in the air
  • Belgium turns into Europe's worst virus hot-spot
  • First dog in Canada to test positive for COVID-19

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COVID-19 Pandemic LIVE: World Map/Count

https://youtu.be/NMre6IAAAiU

10/28/2020 (Updating)

 

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Dr John Campbell, Coronavirus Update: 10/29/2020

https://youtu.be/awc0bN07Aac

"I am very optimistic  about long-term immunity..."

 

Aristotleded24

Hi ho, hi ho, so to lockdown I go:

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Broad shutdowns will start in Winnipeg and surrounding areas on Monday as the province moves its capital area to the red, or critical, level on its pandemic response scale in the face of a rising tide of COVID-19 cases.

Movie theatres, concert halls, sport facilities, and restaurant and bar dining rooms will be ordered to close starting Monday, Manitoba's Chief Provincial Public Health Officer Dr. Brent Roussin said Friday.

The rest of Manitoba will move to the orange, or restricted, level starting Monday, Roussin said. The order will limit gathering sizes to five and reduce capacity in public-facing businesses.

The announcement comes as Manitoba shattered its previous record for a daily announcement of COVID-19 cases at 480 new cases, which were identified over the past several days, Roussin said.

NDPP

"Some of Ontario's largest hospitals are nearing or exceeding full capacity even before flu season and the second wave of COVID-19 bring an unexpected surge in new patients."

https://twitter.com/CBCNews/status/1323263594423869440

NDPP

COVID Canada Update: 11/2/2020

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus

  • WHO Chief to quarantine
  •  Freeland tests negative after receiving notification from COVID Alert ap
  • Tombstones placed outside Manitoba premier's house to protest COVID-19 response
  • "We are at risk': Leadership sounds alarm as COVID-19 cases surge among FNs

 

NDPP

How close can you get with masks on?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/ask-covid-mask-questions-1.5782108

"Your mask questions answered."

Remember when the fucking idiots at Health Canada were telling you not to wear one?

NDPP

Dr John Campbell, Coronavirus Updates:

 

Pandemic Second Wave

https://youtu.be/LGvqsZqsJIgo

 

US Pandemic Update

https://youtu.be/Ns0zIhnD0Ts

 

November Pandemic Update

https://youtu.be/dKI78fzBGD0

Taiwan: 202 days with no localized transmission.

NDPP

The Current: 11/6/2020: A Look at the Spike in COVID-19 Cases Across Canada (radio)

https://www.cbc.ca/listen/live-radio/1-63-the-current/clip/15807334-a-lo...

CBC: "We discuss the spike in COVID-19 cases across Canada with Dr Birinder Narang, a family physician in Burnaby BC; Dr Anand Khumar, an intensive care physician in Winnipeg Manitoba; and infectious disease specialist Amy Greer, Canada research chair in population disease modeling @1:35

Then, as Canada passes 250,000 cases of COVID-19 the Globe and Mail's health columnist, Andre Picard, discusses the the grim milestone and the latest efforts to curb the spread. @47:00...

AP: "Canada's at a place now that's quite dangerous. Yesterday, we had almost 4,000 cases. That's double the peak of the first wave. People don't realize how bad it's getting...I think we just have governments, particularly conservative governments, saying we're going to get back to work and it doesn't matter what the cost is.

We've all heard about the Great Barrington Declaration. What Canada's doing now is going 'Great Barringtonesque', if I can put it that way. Saying we're ready to sacrifice people whether they be older people, people with disabilities, we're ready to sacrifice them now to get people back in bars and restaurants. That's the unstated policy that's going on now in places like Ontario,  Alberta and Manitoba.

CBC: Dr Samir Sinha, who's the Director of Geriatrics at Mt Sinai and was the architect of that province's seniors' strategy, says he believes what's happening in Ontario is a 'herd immunity plan'. He worries that seniors will be sacrificial lambs. Is he right?

AP: Well, the numbers bear him out. Sixty percent of the deaths in the second wave so far are back in our LTC Homes. We have 355 outbreaks in LTCs across Canada the last time I checked. This [news] dominated the first wave, but now we're not paying attention to it. But it's killing our elders. The phrase 'we have to learn to live with COVID' has been coopted to mean we  just throw the doors wide open. It's not about abandoning people in elder-care facilities but making them safer to ensure they're not at risk and be cautious about what and how we reopen.

Some jurisdictions to their credit have said we're going to protect our elders, we're not going to allow this into old age homes. Some countries have done that with zero deaths. Canada has thousands. I think it's in our nature to be kind of wishy-washy. We do something one week and something different the next and end up not doing very well at anything..."  - Andre Picard - Globe and Mail

I entirely agree. The cold hard truth is that the governments are ready, able and willing to let you and/or your elders get sick and die. For profits and money. And your silence indicates you will do nothing to stop them.

"Just got home from a busy day at work to the news of 800 cases and limited contact tracing. We have lost the plot. The government has decided to prioritize 'the economy' ahead of people. They've forgotten that the economy is *made by people.*"

https://twitter.com/RajBhardwajMD/status/1324521560934244352

NDPP

Dr John Campbell, Coronavirus Update: 11/7/2020

https://youtu.be/HjvyNfdbWy8

New mutant strain in Denmark. 17 m mink to be culled after coronavirus variant spreads to humans.

NDPP

COVID Canada Update: 11/8/2020

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/

  • Canada sets new COVID-19 record with 4,248 cases
  • Ontario breaks another COVID-19 record with more than 1,300 news cases
  • Quebec reports its highest ever daily increase of COVID-19 cases: 1,397 new cases, 9 deaths
  • Trudeau says hoped-for COVID-19 vaccine faces distribution hurdles in the new year.
  • Cough droplets can travel beyond 1.8 metres, new study suggests.

NDPP

1388 new cases today in Ontario.

NDPP

The Jimmy Dore Show

https://youtu.be/mzTLPEpKzu0

"Shocking new COVID-19 numbers."

NDPP

Dr John Campbell, Coronavirus Update

https://youtu.be/4RSAfRMrdw

Vaccine game changer. Pfizer report positive - not yet peer reviewed. No side effect profile.

NDPP

As Canada breaks new COVID records...

Vietnam: 'No Masks. No need. No COVID.' (and vid)

https://twitter.com/SharkawyMD/status/1326364368175591432

"Not a fantasy. This is what patience and discipline buy you."

Another indication of why the future belongs to Asia.  Please share.

NDPP

COVID Canada Update: 11/11/2020

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/

  • Ontario breaks another COVID-19 record with more than 1400 cases
  • Quebec reports 1,378 new cases - hospitalizations jump by 39
  • Pfizer CEO sold US $5.6 M in stock after promising vaccine news
  • EU sees vaccinations in months. Russia gives high marks to its vaccine.
  • Canadian company says its COVID-19 vaccine spurred 'promising antibody regime in phase 1 trials.
  • COVID-19 as a geopolitical tool?

NDPP

AP: Texas becomes first state to surpass 1 million COVID-19 cases.

NDPP

COVID-19 Pandemic LIVE: World Map/Count

https://youtu.be/NMre6IAAAiU

11/11/2020 (Updating)

Aristotleded24

NDPP wrote:
Dr John Campbell, Coronavirus Update: 11/7/2020

https://youtu.be/HjvyNfdbWy8

New mutant strain in Denmark. 17 m mink to be culled after coronavirus variant spreads to humans.

And we continually refuse to learn the lesson that harming the natural world comes back to hurt us. It was China's wet animal markets that were implicated in the spread of corona from bats to humans. Now we have these "mink farms?" What's going on with this? Instead of culling the mink, why not show them resepct and let them run free, where they won't spread infectious diseases nearly so much?

Pondering

They are not wild mink. They are bred, which is wrong, but these mink would not have ever lived were it not for the desire for their fur. Letting them loose in the wild to infect other animals isn't a good idea.

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