Coronavirus: what Canadians need to know

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bekayne

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Even Sweden’s public health agency admits its earlier prediction that the country’s Nordic neighbours such as Finland and Norway would suffer more in the autumn appears wrong. Sweden is currently faring worse than Denmark, Finland and Norway on cases, hospitalisations and deaths relative to the size of their population.

Aristotleded24

Pondering wrote:
They are not wild mink. They are bred, which is wrong, but these mink would not have ever lived were it not for the desire for their fur. Letting them loose in the wild to infect other animals isn't a good idea.

Either way, cramming large numbers of animals together like that is a recipe for the spread of dangerous diseases. We should have learned that lesson from the bird flu scares in the 2000s. Wild mink, bred mink, white mink, purple mink, or pink mink, we should stop doing that.

Aristotleded24

bekayne wrote:

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Even Sweden’s public health agency admits its earlier prediction that the country’s Nordic neighbours such as Finland and Norway would suffer more in the autumn appears wrong. Sweden is currently faring worse than Denmark, Finland and Norway on cases, hospitalisations and deaths relative to the size of their population.

You mean Sweden actually admitted that they got some of their covid responses wrong? That level of humility, self-reflection, and honesty is such a breath of fresh air, because I certainly don't see any of that among the pro-lockdown crowd.

By the way, Sweden's death curve, as of right now, is quite flat even in the face of a record number of cases. They front-loaded all of their corona deaths into the spring, and right now are doing well compared to so many of their neighbours. If you also take a look at deaths per million population, Sweden does better than Spain, the UK, Italy, and France, all of which imposed lockdowns to some degree.

NDPP

Almost 1600 new cases in Ontario today. Predictions are 2000+ in a couple weeks.  What frightful incompetence and willful indifference. See #1946

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NDPP wrote:

Almost 1600 new cases in Ontario today. Predictions are 2000+ in a couple weeks.  What frightful incompetence and willful indifference. See #1946

I have my disagreements with you, but this statement is dead on. Pun intended.

NDPP

Stay safe Michael. And everyone.

NDPP

"First Ford and Williams dramatically scaled back COVID testing to hide a huge capacity problem. Then they opened up businesses just as we hit a record high in new cases. This is *literally* the Trump Plan for COVID management. Let that sink in."

https://twitter.com/FurnessColin/status/1323996911716753409

 

Meet Dr Shelley Deeks

https://twitter.com/FurnessColin/status/1326974338407538688

"Shelley Deeks did something so brave and amazing today. She was the whistle-blower that gave us the smoking gun. Doug Ford has not listened to health experts in setting rules that put everybody in danger. Thank you Shelley, you are my hero."

 

Ontario could see 3,000 to 6,500 New COVID cases Per Day by Mid December

https://twitter.com/SharkawyMD/status/1327010420629131264

"All in favour of a nuanced, targeted, multi-coloured grid approach to this nightmare. If this isn't a wake up call for IMMEDIATE measures, nothing will be. Don't wait for a legislated lockdown. Do it yourself, NOW."

[email protected]

Ontario rejects your 'herd immunity' by stealth. RESIGN NOW. And take CMO Williams with you!

bekayne

eastnoireast

NDPP wrote:

Stay safe Michael. And everyone.

a ship is safe in harbour, but that is not what ships are for.

NDPP

Check and compare with New Zealand...

3 new cases of covid-19 in managed isolation

https://www.health.govt.nz/news-media/media-releases/3-new-cases-covid-1...

"There are three new cases of COVID-19 in New Zealand today in managed isolation and quarantine...The faster we can contact trace, the quicker we can get ahead of the virus and prevent spread in the community."

Instead our governments have given us a covid shit-show that's out of control and spreading rapidly.

NDPP

'Public Health friends, make a consenus wish list and let's draft an emergency law together'

https://twitter.com/imgrund/status/1327308616257384449

"This is great. For those who don't know, Dr Amir Attaran is a University of Ottawa law prof who has argued this stuff in the Supreme Court recently. In other words, what he says is both factual and actionable."

Some important twitter feeds here for those interested in following those most knowledgeable on covid-19 issues in Canada.

Aristotleded24

Michael Moriarity wrote:

NDPP wrote:

Almost 1600 new cases in Ontario today. Predictions are 2000+ in a couple weeks.  What frightful incompetence and willful indifference. See #1946

I have my disagreements with you, but this statement is dead on. Pun intended.

And if we don't act now on Iraq, we are gonig to see the final proof in the form of a mushroom cloud.

Besides, what are we counting as "cases?" How many cases are people who don't feel sick, don't have any symptoms, and absent a declared pandemic or a covid test, would have just gone on with their lives and not ever felt like anything was wrong?

Aristotleded24

NDPP wrote:

Check and compare with New Zealand...

3 new cases of covid-19 in managed isolation

https://www.health.govt.nz/news-media/media-releases/3-new-cases-covid-1...

"There are three new cases of COVID-19 in New Zealand today in managed isolation and quarantine...The faster we can contact trace, the quicker we can get ahead of the virus and prevent spread in the community."

Instead our governments have given us a covid shit-show that's out of control and spreading rapidly.

New Zealand is an island and has a huge geographical advantage in that regard. They also had an outbreak in what would have been their flu season. You can't just compare countries and blame one policy or another without taking into account complex demographic and geographical factors.

Aristotleded24

eastnoireast wrote:

NDPP wrote:

Stay safe Michael. And everyone.

a ship is safe in harbour, but that is not what ships are for.

Love the quote. May I start using that with people I know?

Aristotleded24

NDPP wrote:

'Public Health friends, make a consenus wish list and let's draft an emergency law together'

https://twitter.com/imgrund/status/1327308616257384449

"This is great. For those who don't know, Dr Amir Attaran is a University of Ottawa law prof who has argued this stuff in the Supreme Court recently. In other words, what he says is both factual and actionable."

Some important twitter feeds here for those interested in following those most knowledgeable on covid-19 issues in Canada.

*Yawn* More garbage on Twitter from people who think that just because they have an account they are authorities on everything. Twitter is not real life, and the social media algorithms are designed to amplify the fear of the coronavirus if whoever uses it is already afraid, rather than providing useful, contextual information.

Besides, do you really understand what a federal emergency law would entail? Do you remember how much we called Harper a dictator? Manitoba and Alberta are currently run by Premiers who sat in Harper's caucus as MPs. The emergency orders give them near dictatorial powers. Invoking the Emergencies Act may open the door to allowing Premiers to call on the military to keep order. Do you really want Jason Kenney and Brian Pallister to have that level of power over their citizens? I live in Manitoba, and the thought of Pallister having that power scares me more than the coronavirus ever could.

Aristotleded24

Neocynic wrote:
How dare we not wear a mask!??

And we who refuse to wear a mask know where that goes. Soon the cross-eyed crazies, the Karens and Teds, come rushing out of their old SUVs like rhinos on reds, screaming: “How dare you??!”

Well, how dare we not wear a mask?  How dare we not wear one when everyone is?  How dare we “kill granny”?? Every question deserves an answer.  When we try to answer, we are here and now stopped.  Ask the CBC, ask the Toronto Star, ask on Facebook, Twitter, ask in public protest, when we begin to answer, what do we hear?  “NO! Shut up! Not here, not now!”

Well, to paraphrase someone who should inspire us all today, MLK, somewhere I read about “freedom of expression”.  Somewhere I read about “freedom of association”.  Somewhere I read about living in a “free and democratic society”.  Hell, we recently murdered millions in the Mideast and Afghanistan for all of that great-sounding stuff. 

Well, sorry: “No, not here, not now.”  What is here, what is now?  When you hear people in power say “Do what I tell you, not what I do.” Or even worse, “Do what you are told and shut up.  Shut up or we will stop you from earning a living, seeing your friends, being with your family, and maybe lock you up.” 

What is here, what is now is pure and simple naked authority talking: pure and simple fascism.  It has arrived not in black boots with swastikas, but dressed in white with stethoscopes.  And they are not addressed as “thugs” or “bullies”, but as “Health Experts”, “Doctors” –Ph.Ds that is, and of course, “government officials.”  All medical Mussolinis. This is fascism masquerading as “good medicine”.  Obey them because it is good for us. And don’t be fooled by their bedside manners, for coming up right behind them, as we see in Australia, as in Quebec, and now in Ontario, the black boots are coming.     

On hearing a question, you’d think an answer is allowed to be heard.  Not now.  Not here.  Two weeks ago, over 3,000 people marched up and down Yonge street in downtown Toronto in protest of this medical martial law.  Not one peep was heard about it on TV, in the papers.  Check it out on CBC News: 8,034 stories about cats, that march: 0.

And what is the answer to “How dare we not wear a mask”? HOW DARE YOU stop us from working.  HOW DARE YOU stop us from living with our friends and family.  HOW DARE YOU NOW fine us, and soon jail us.  HOW DARE YOU try to shame us from the truth?

The deafening silence tells you all about everything they don’t want to hear.  It’s as if they are trying to stop anybody from finding out what everybody knows.

What is that truth?  What is it that they are trying to stop anyone from finding out what everyone knows?  In Canada, here, now, where life expectancy is 83 years, -and there are only 852,000 Canadians out of 38,000,000 over 70, -if, and only if, -you are one of the projected 40% of us to be infected, and you are under 70 years old, you face a death rate -from the virus, not with the virus, -of less than the flu, at just 0.04%.  That’s 4 out of 10,000 infected, or as projected by the Center for Disease Control experts, 1,520 projected fatalities for Canada. 

B-b-b-b-but, but, but, -as the blubbering mask Nazis would bewail, -we have to date in Canada 9,608 reported COVID deaths.  How so? The WHO definition of a COVID death is, -I quote, -“A death due to COVID-19 is defined for surveillance purposes as a death resulting from a clinically compatible illness, in a probable or confirmed COVID-19 case.” If you die from a different illness when you may have COVID, you died from COVID. And so what was once a flu-related or other death is now a COVID death as documented by the current Canada’s FluWatch website statistics: Flu deaths down dramatically, COVID up.

The COVID virus is a reality.  The fact that it is unusually contagious is a fact.  The advertised danger it poses is the hoax.  The conspiracy, the plan, is for control.  The financial corruption of the WHO, the 50% error-ridden tests, the mandatory mask-wearing, the ruinous lockdowns, the fraudulent death reports, and soon, the forced vaccinations, it is all part of the conspiracy to control us, a conspiracy by corporate fascists to impose this medical martial law.  It is designed to prepare us for, and to normalize, a fundamental denial of our basic human rights in the name of “good medicine”.  Medicine meant to cure us of their perceived real disease: freedom.

 And it’s all done in panic for control at the very point they are losing it.  The system is collapsing.  Inverted totalitarianism has arrived.  The world teeters upon a 1% fulcrum.  War is now our “peace”, ignorance is now our “strength”, slavery is now our “freedom”. Rip off your mask, rip off their masks: time to rebel.

 

[Chorus]

I'll tip my hat to the new constitution

Take a bow for the new revolution

Smile and grin at the change all around

Pick up my guitar and play

Just like yesterday

Then I'll get on my knees and pray

We don't get fooled again

*slow clap* This past week, we commemorated what we have come to see as the sacrifices of our veterans to fight for freedom and against tyranny. When discussing this in high school, the question about why authoritarianism was allowed to rise in Germany came up quite often. Look at how scared we are of coronavirus, how willing we are to call the cops on people who have more than the allowable number of people over to their houses, or the screams of punishments for churches that do things like allow singing that doesn't conform to some arbitrary government decree.

NDPP

Aristotleded24 wrote:

*Yawn* More garbage on Twitter from people who think that just because they have an account they are authorities on everything. Twitter is not real life, and the social media algorithms are designed to amplify the fear of the coronavirus if whoever uses it is already afraid, rather than providing useful, contextual information.

NDPP wrote:

Actually, these people are authorities - on Coronavirus. Scientists. Doctors. So I'll charitably assume the *Yawn* indicates your brain was insufficiently oxygenated to apprehend that. I suggest you peruse the knowledgeable doctors' twitter feeds for the important and useful information they may offer to offset your own obvious ignorance and largely incoherent ramblings on the topic.

"Starting to think that ignoring the advice of people who've devoted their entire adult lives to the study of infectious diseases, public health and epidemiology might not be such a good idea."

https://twitter.com/DavidJuurlink/status/1327298147291435014

NDPP

Pandemic Profit: The Great Vaccine Race/ George Galloway

https://youtu.be/Bzhu4qWOeeE

"Pfizer, the inventors of Viagra, have come on hard...' George Galloway asks if a vaccine proxy war has the West putting public health on hold."

Aristotleded24

NDPP wrote:

Aristotleded24 wrote:

*Yawn* More garbage on Twitter from people who think that just because they have an account they are authorities on everything. Twitter is not real life, and the social media algorithms are designed to amplify the fear of the coronavirus if whoever uses it is already afraid, rather than providing useful, contextual information.

NDPP wrote:

Actually, these people are authorities - on Coronavirus. Scientists. Doctors. So I'll charitably assume the *Yawn* indicates your brain was insufficiently oxygenated to apprehend that. I suggest you peruse the knowledgeable doctors' twitter feeds for the important and useful information they may offer to offset your own obvious ignorance and largely incoherent ramblings on the topic.

"Starting to think that ignoring the advice of people who've devoted their entire adult lives to the study of infectious diseases, public health and epidemiology might not be such a good idea."

https://twitter.com/DavidJuurlink/status/1327298147291435014

I am starting to lose count of the number of doctors, experts, and scientists whose views align more with me than with the consensus on the board.

Serious question, NDPP. We've known for a long time that the MSM lies, distorts the truth, and spreads propaganda that favours the interests of the ruling classes. Yet, many of the links you post are from the same MSM sources (CTV, CBC) that we don't trust on other matters. Why are their pronouncements on coronavirus all of a sudden trustworthy?

NDPP

COVID Canada Update: 11/14/2020

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/

  • Canada breaks its COVID-19 daily record with 4,981 registered cases
  • Tam warns of increasing pressure on hospitals as COVID-19 cases continue to rise.
  • PM prods premiers to impose more stringent measures to curb spread of COVID-19.

 

NDPP

'The Evidence is Conclusive: Canada Can't Beat the Pandemic by Passing the Buck' - Andre Picard **MUST READ**

https://twitter.com/SharkawyMD/status/1327231502355210245

How damning. How true. How sad. Hot potato politicking is fanning the flames of this pandemic. As long as its someone else's problem it will continue to be EVERYONE's mess. Stop spectating and do the heavy lifting for a change. No more excuses. It's time to care..."

WATCH: https://twitter.com/SharkawyMD/status/1327024212712763396

PREMIER FORD:

SHUT IT ALL FUCKING DOWN NOW!

[email protected]

NDPP

Ontario: Nov 14, 2020: 1581 NEW CASES, 20 DEATHS. See thread for more graphs

https://twitter.com/YoniFreedhoff/status/1327629244596432896

"The new tweeked restrictions are very unlikely to turn this runaway train around. We are so screwed..."

See #1972 above. We are on course for 6,000 + in a few weeks!  LOCKDOWN NOW!

Aristotleded24

NDPP wrote:

Ontario: Nov 14, 2020: 1581 NEW CASES, 20 DEATHS. See thread for more graphs

https://twitter.com/YoniFreedhoff/status/1327629244596432896

"The new tweeked restrictions are very unlikely to turn this runaway train around. We are so screwed..."

See #1972 above. We are on course for 6,000 + in a few weeks!  LOCKDOWN NOW!

Really? 6000 cases? How can we be sure? Can you explain what parameters and assumptions went into the models that were used to make that forecast? Remember, we were supposed to see a best-case scenario of 46000 deaths in Canada with mitigation, however as of today we are just over 10 000. There was also a forecast that the United States would have 96 million cases, which is almost double what the current case count is globally. The United States in particular did a poor job of containing the spread. So that must mean that the models are badly off not because of any mitigation measures, but because the assumptions driving them were incorrect. I believe it to be the same with that 6000 a day figure. The sad part is, that will probably put pressure on politicians to lock down, and when the case count doesn't go that hight (which it won't) that will be used as evidence that the lockdown worked.

NDPP

WATCH: 'It's time for the truth from Doug Ford and for Scientists to Take the Lead'

https://twitter.com/drmwarner/status/1326720963241783298

This is a dire Ontario public health crisis amidst a virulent highly infectrious global pandemic with a wilfull criminally incompetent premier who isn't listening to science. It is not just a scary fabrication by doctors and epidemiologists to take over the world.

NDPP

Swedish Surge in COVID Cases Dashes [Herd] Immunity Hopes

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/12/covid-infections-in-sweden...

"Swedish hospitals were treating 1,004 patients for COVID-19, SVT said, an increase of over 60% over the previous week's 627. Data from the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control suggests the rise in recent weeks may be Europe's fastest. New infections are also surging, hitting  a seven-day average of more than 4,000 this week against fewer than 500 at the beginning of the October. The country recorded 4,635 new infections on Thursday...The prime minister, Stefan Lofven, said on Wednesday that 'all indicators were going in the wrong direction. The infection is 'spreading fast..."

I'm somewhat surprised someone who so relentlessly promotes Sweden's 'herd immunity' miracle here didn't think to share the latest not-so-good news?

Aristotleded24

NDPP wrote:

Swedish Surge in COVID Cases Dashes [Herd] Immunity Hopes

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/12/covid-infections-in-sweden...

"Swedish hospitals were treating 1,004 patients for COVID-19, SVT said, an increase of over 60% over the previous week's 627. Data from the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control suggests the rise in recent weeks may be Europe's fastest. New infections are also surging, hitting  a seven-day average of more than 4,000 this week against fewer than 500 at the beginning of the October. The country recorded 4,635 new infections on Thursday...The prime minister, Stefan Lofven, said on Wednesday that 'all indicators were going in the wrong direction. The infection is 'spreading fast..."

I'm somewhat surprised someone who so relentlessly promotes Sweden's 'herd immunity' miracle here didn't think to share the latest not-so-good news?

We're in the winter season, so of course we can expect numbers of people treated for respiratory infections to rise. That has been the case throughout Europe, the UK, and Canada for a few weeks. What I want to know is context. Is it far and above the baseline that would be expected for this time of year? The data on the government webpage for Ontario consistenlty shows hosptializations, though rising, not nearly at the level they were at in the spring time. Most importantly, if you look at Sweden's death curve on the Worldometers page, it is relatively flat compared to other Eruopean countries.

 I try hard not to follow the "news" because the "news" is pushing the narrative that covid is the most serious threat to human existence. The slant of nearly all of their stories is designed to make people scared of the coronavirus. I prefer instead to look at whatever raw data I can find and then decide for myself what I think and how I feel about coronavirus. It's a bit more of a challenge for Sweden because the Worldometers page isn't updated every day, but I hope there are indications that the current wave is beginning to flatten out. We will see as more data comes out. In the mean time, Sweden has made it very clear that it plans to chart its own course on how to handle the coronavirus, and nothing, you, me, or the international media says is going to change their minds. Furthermore, when you look at the countries that are in lockdown, people are starting to take to the streets to protest against those repressive measures, and in some cases those demonstrations are turning violent. Even New Zealand, the one country everybody points to as a lockdown success, had people protest its most recent lockdown. If people become frustrated, the tension breaks, and you end up with full-on rioting (and I believe at this point the question of that happening in Canada is now a matter of when, not if) how are you going to enforce public health measures then? What if rioting and violence overwhelm our police, fire, EMS, hospital and other emergency responses? There might be a few people beaking off on Twitter or "experts" from Sweden giving interviews to journalists in countries like ours talking about how bad Sweden is doing, but there simply is not the same popular uprising against the Swedish response from within Sweden that exists in other countries.

NDPP

You MUST act NOW!

https://twitter.com/MoriartyLab/status/1328327092677840897

"Canadians, political leaders in provinces with Wave2 covid19 epidemics. Manitoba and Quebec are in crisis. Alberta, Ontario, Saskatchewan will be there soon. This is NOT overreaction. PLEASE read this thread. Please share it. PLEASE ACT.

Look at this graph. Watch it every day. Canada is NOT doing ok. When we get COVID-19 more of us die than in Spain, France, USA..."

Yes.

Pondering

Aristotleded24 wrote:

Pondering wrote:
They are not wild mink. They are bred, which is wrong, but these mink would not have ever lived were it not for the desire for their fur. Letting them loose in the wild to infect other animals isn't a good idea.

Either way, cramming large numbers of animals together like that is a recipe for the spread of dangerous diseases. We should have learned that lesson from the bird flu scares in the 2000s. Wild mink, bred mink, white mink, purple mink, or pink mink, we should stop doing that.

Apparently the plan was to end mink farming in 2024. This speeded up the thme line. 

I too am against farming animals for fur just saying they can't be released into the wild. 

Pondering

Aristotleded24 wrote:
Really? 6000 cases? How can we be sure? Can you explain what parameters and assumptions went into the models that were used to make that forecast? Remember, we were supposed to see a best-case scenario of 46000 deaths in Canada with mitigation, however as of today we are just over 10 000.

We know more now than we did then. We have our own examples to work from in determining how fast it will spread and how long after that what percentage of cases will require hospitalizations and what the capacity of our hospitals is. 

These figures are publicly available.  They know if X number of people are infected within 2-4 weeks Y number of people will require hospitalization. We know there are Z number of beds available in the hospital. If Y minus Z = any number above zero then the hospital will have to choose which patients recieve care and which will be left to die. 

We don't have to wait for this to happen to prove to skeptics that it will. 

"The right to swing my fist ends where the other man’s nose begins."

The people flouting the rules are endangering other people including medical professionals and forcing the rest of us to go into lockdown. So yes, they should be shamed for putting us through this. They are selfish and ignorant. 

 

bekayne

Aristotleded24 wrote:

In the mean time, Sweden has made it very clear that it plans to chart its own course on how to handle the coronavirus, and nothing, you, me, or the international media says is going to change their minds. 

Sweden abandons the Swedish model.

https://twitter.com/JeremyKonyndyk/status/1328556437312851968

Sweden has banned gatherings of more than 8 people as a second wave of coronavirus continues to grow. "Don't go to gyms, don't go to libraries, don't host dinners. Cancel," Swedish Prime Minister Lofven said.

NDPP

1249 new cases reported in Ontario today

Tam: "Canadians must again 'plank the curve'.

NDPP

Ontario Today: 11/17/2020: How Much More Can Businesses Take? ( radio)

https://www.cbc.ca/listen/live-radio/1-45-ontario-today/clip/15809231-ho...

"Rotman School of Management economist Prof Joshua Gans, says it's not good enough to just tell businesses we feel your pain. The author of 'The Pandemic Information Gap: The Brutal Economics of COVID-19', says people in power need a better plan."

No shit?! And here it is.  A simple and excellent presentation of what we're doing wrong and its devastating effects. [ **MUST HEAR.**]

NDPP

Dr John Campbell, Coronavirus Update: 11/14/2020

https://youtu.be/hBFRJA_HCR8

"Second wave update."

 

Dr John Campbell, Coronavirus Update 11/16/2020

https://youtu.be/Fiq5ymktg6w

"Second vaccine with high immunity. "The light of the vaccine is well and truly at the end of the tunnel. Life will begin to return to normal in 2020..."

NDPP

Israel Ramps up Talks to Purchase Russia COVID-19 Vaccine

https://youtu.be/tFl536JsZ3Q

Pondering

How Covid-19 is different from the flu.

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/flu-season-canada-2020_ca_5fb3e93fc5...

OTTAWA — At this point during last year’s flu season, Canada had already recorded 711 positive cases of influenza.

So far this year, there have been just 17....

COVID-19 is proving to be worse this fall, with more than 1,400 people in hospital, about one-fifth of them in critical care. The flu, however, is not.

In the first week of November, not one province or territory reported a single patient hospitalized with the flu, compared with 60 during the same week a year ago.

The measures we are taking to prevent the spread of Covid-19 have dramatically reduced the incidence of the flu but haven't been able to stop Covid-19.

This is because Covid-19 is so much more virulent than the flu as well as being more deadly.  Nor is the damage limited to the old or the weak.

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/shes-everything-to-me-b-c-mom-in-co...

After starting to feel sick in the first week of November — chalking her symptoms up to pregnancy-related pressure and pain late in her third trimester — she took a turn for the worse, becoming nauseated and unable to eat.

While Dave McIntosh looked after their daughter, the mother-to-be went to the hospital for treatment.

The last communication McIntosh had with his wife came in the form of a text saying she was being taken in for an emergency C-section due to complications from the novel coronavirus.

Days later, Gill McIntosh is in stable condition, though she’s still in an induced coma and on a ventilator....

Gill McIntosh’s diagnosis has not been traced back to an exposure event, and her husband said the family is unsure how she contracted the virus.

Asymtomatic carriers are the most dangerous.

NDPP

COVID Canada Update: 11/19/2020

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/

  • Canada on track for 20K news COVID-19 cases a day
  • Alberta sets new daily high with 1,105 cases
  • Facing another LTC lockdown, 90 yr old seeks medically assisted death

NDPP

Ontario reports 1,418 new cases

'One person dying in Europe of COVID-19 every 17 seconds:' W.H.O

37,242 new cases in Italy, 23,340 new cases in USA, 17 new cases in China, 6 new cases in Australia, 4 new cases in Singapore, 3 new cases in New Zealand, 2 new cases in Taiwan.

NDPP

"Canada could see 20,000 COVID-19 cases per day by end of year." - PHAC Tam

Aristotleded24

bekayne wrote:

Aristotleded24 wrote:

In the mean time, Sweden has made it very clear that it plans to chart its own course on how to handle the coronavirus, and nothing, you, me, or the international media says is going to change their minds. 

Sweden abandons the Swedish model.

https://twitter.com/JeremyKonyndyk/status/1328556437312851968

Sweden has banned gatherings of more than 8 people as a second wave of coronavirus continues to grow. "Don't go to gyms, don't go to libraries, don't host dinners. Cancel," Swedish Prime Minister Lofven said.

Such a shame, it shows that nobody is immune to peer pressure and cracking under mob mentality. Interestingly enough, this appears to be a politically motivated decision. The actual scientist in charge of Sweden's response said this earlier:

Quote:
“No, we will keep on this path,” Chief Epidemiologist Anders Tegnell told Reuters in a telephone interview on Friday. “This is how we work in Sweden. We have big understanding for this and a huge adherence to the rules.”

Fortunatley, Sweden seems to be on a downswing in the number of cases. Hopefully as the numbers inevitably come down people will start to relax a bit.

Aristotleded24

NDPP wrote:
"Canada could see 20,000 COVID-19 cases per day by end of year." - PHAC Tam

What is the basis for this ridiculous claim? Right now it looks like there has been an even trend of approximatley 1200-1400 new cases per day in Ontario, with about 1200 cases per day in Quebec. Manitoba seems to be settling in roughly somewhere around the 450 mark. Saskatchewan is all over the map, with new case counts going into the double digits on some days, going into triple digits others. Alberta just set records for recoring over 1000 cases. BC took a sharp drop in the last 2 days to over 500 cases. How can anyone look at the actual data and extrapolate from that that we are going to get anywhere near that number of new cases today.

This is the problem with big numbers like that. They are so big and scary that when the numbers don't come in that high (and they won't, despite what the doomsdayers have to say) the government will claim it was because of mitigation measures. The truth is, the actual numbers will come in lower because the models and projections were off.

I took universtiy level math courses. One of the things they always told us when we came up with an answer was to "show our work," the calculations as to how we arrived at said numbers. If I was the math teacher of the doctors, journalist, and politicians peddling that crap to the public, I would certainly fail them and mark those questions wrong.

Aristotleded24
Pondering

If masks are ineffective we should start a movement demanding that nurses and doctors either stop wearing them or pay for them personally. Why should the public be on the hook for useless masks?

Aristotleded24

For fuck sake Pondering, did you even actually watch that interview? Even though the study suggests that masks are not a panacea, the author of said study said they may be useful in some settings.

Why is this a binary discussion? Why is it that anyone who questions the idea that we have to lock ourselves in our residences or wear masks all the time is a dangerous covidiot who doesn't take the threat seriously? Why is anyone who tries to have a nuanced conversation about the risks to covid and balance that against the risks to general health of the interventions a monster?

kropotkin1951

While this is a Scottish public service announcement I think it is germane to a discussion about what Canadians need to know.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsiXbrH_vUA&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR2GI...

Aristotleded24

kropotkin1951 wrote:
While this is a Scottish public service announcement I think it is germane to a discussion about what Canadians need to know.

">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsiXbrH_vUA&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR2GI...

*Yawn* just baseless fear tactics among the Iraq-WMD lies from people who believe they have a right to control other people's behaviour just because they are scared, and who seem to believe that just because they feel bad about something the world has to change to appease them. Responsible adults deal with their own feelings without trying to control other people.

kropotkin1951

I find that some people have no sense of humour. I sure miss the days when I could smoke in the elevator and drive my care without a seatbelt. Fuck the control freaks.

Aristotleded24

Different scenarios, krop. Those decisions were made after much public discussion, there was a question put forward to elected representatives, they made the decisions, and now we have those rules in place. That is the proper course of making decisions in free, democratic, and open societies. What we have now is unelected medical officials making arbitrary decisions about what can or can't be done, under the cover of emergency powers, without any public input. Brent Roussin in Manitoba has been particularly intransigent in putting in regulations and has been completely dismissive of any objections or the harms they might cause.

kropotkin1951

So you want the politicians to determine health measures not the public health officials. I guess we will just have to disagree about who should be giving the orders in an emergency. The big thing is you don't really seem to think this is an emergency and I do. If I am on a ferry and we start to sink I will take my orders from the Captain not the Minister of Ferries.

NDPP

COVID Canada Update: 11/23/2020

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus

  • Ontario breaks another COVID-19 record by adding more than 1500 new cases
  • Alberta reports more COVID-19 cases on Sunday than any other province.
  • World's top surgical glove maker shuts factories due to coronavirus

NDPP

COVID-19 Pandemic LIVE: World Map/Count

https://youtu.be/NMre6IAAAiU

11/23/2020 (Updating)

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