Coronavirus: what Canadians need to know

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Pondering

Aristotleded24 wrote:

Pondering wrote:
I agree. We already get proof of vaccination card or paper when we get any vaccination so if it is required for a specific type of employment it can be requested but it has to be justified, like someone working with a vulnerable population.

The issue of health professionals having to be vaccinated for the flu (which is the only situation where I can see the ethical argument for mandatory vaccinations) has already been decided in court in favour of the worker's right to refuse.

The flu and covid are not the same thing. The flu generally isn't asymptomatic so we can tell when someone is sick.  We have widespread vaccination for the flu that we know is effective and we know how frequently it must be given and that it is safe for the elderly.We aren't there yet for Covid. For Covid we know that when the vulnerable are infected it spreads like wildfire and kills in high numbers. No one should be permitted to work in a seniors care home. The residents have a right not to be exposed to a deadly virus. 

Aristotleded24

Pondering wrote:

Aristotleded24 wrote:

Pondering wrote:
I agree. We already get proof of vaccination card or paper when we get any vaccination so if it is required for a specific type of employment it can be requested but it has to be justified, like someone working with a vulnerable population.

The issue of health professionals having to be vaccinated for the flu (which is the only situation where I can see the ethical argument for mandatory vaccinations) has already been decided in court in favour of the worker's right to refuse.

The flu and covid are not the same thing. The flu generally isn't asymptomatic so we can tell when someone is sick.  We have widespread vaccination for the flu that we know is effective and we know how frequently it must be given and that it is safe for the elderly.We aren't there yet for Covid. For Covid we know that when the vulnerable are infected it spreads like wildfire and kills in high numbers. No one should be permitted to work in a seniors care home. The residents have a right not to be exposed to a deadly virus.

Try understanding my post. I clearly said this is one case where I feel there is a solid ethical argument in favour of mandatory vaccination for health care workers. When the issue was brought up in court before, the court decided in favour of the worker's right to refuse vaccination. If this sets a precdent, health care workers may very easily have the right to refuse the vaccine for covid, especially given how new it is and the lack of information about it.

I'm really tired of seeing a virus that many people survive without presenting with symptoms of illness as "deadly." This is what I think of when I hear the term "deadly virus." There have been serious outbreaks, but none of them have been anywhere near that level.

NDPP

Pay attention. Intensivist working in Peel Region. He is living the crisis

https://twitter.com/DFisman/status/1338442357344178179

"Provincial numbers on hospital/ICU capacity do not reflect what is truly happening in ON hospitals. Things are much worse...The healthcare system is cracking under the stress of COVID."

NDPP

Tracking Every Case of COVID-19 in Canada

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/tracking-every-case-of-covid-1...

Scroll down for complete information.

NDPP

Pigs...

WATCH: CEO Brags About Hiking Rents During Pandemic

https://youtu.be/M71BgJNJUo8

The Hill.

 

The Jimmy Dore Show

https://youtu.be/Xir5C8A-wPg

Kicking people out of their homes during a pandemic/economic crisis

NDPP

2,300 new COVID-19 cases in Ontario today.

NDPP

Zizek: There will be no return to normality after Covid

https://on.rt.com/awp8

https://youtu.be/2UuAIZ03m0s

"Philosopher Slavoj Zizek believes that 'it's time to accept that the pandemic has changed the way we exist forever..."

 

NDPP

2100 new cases today in Ontario

NDPP

Ontario's COVID-19 Death Toll Surpasses 4,000

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/ontario-s-covid-19-death-toll-surpasses-4-000...

"More than 4,000 people have died after contracting COVID-19 in Ontario since the beginning of the pandemic as the province recorded more than 2,000 new cases of the disease for the second consecutive day."

 

"Fewer tests. New record high for cases. hospital admits. 50% of ICU in Scarborough occupied by COVID-19 patients. Is this acceptable Ontario? How long will we continue to see this as an 'inconvenience' as opposed to a public health EMERGENCY?"

https://twitter.com/SharkawyMD/status/1338878452125069314

NDPP

Art in the Red Zone (and vid)

https://rtd.rt.com/films/surgeon-who-draws-the-reality/

Surgeon who draws the reality of the COVID frontline.

Pondering

Excellent video. 

NDPP

I thought so too. Glad you found it of interest.

NDPP

 Americans urgently require Medicare for All in the middle of this Pandemic. Unfortunately, 'progressive' Dem reps won't move on it.

The Jimmy Dore Show

https://youtu.be/wHcMUYSi-Vs

Support grows for leveraging Pelosi vote for Medicare For All

NDPP

Ontario announces record 2432 new cases today.

NDPP

COVID Canada Updates: 12/17/2020

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/

  • Biden likely to get Coronavirus vaccine as soon as next week
  • French President Macron tests positive for COVID-19
  • Canada gearing up to distribute Moderna vaccine pending approval
  • Manitoba's 'COVID-19 Red Zone' units
NDPP

2290 new Ontario cases reported. More unreported.

 

#StayAtHomeSaveLives (and vid)

https://twitter.com/jkwan_md/status/1339778625525178368

"What does dying from COVID19 look like? Dehumanizing and alone, except for medical staff. Sedated with morphine. Family members crying and praying over zoom video. The grim reality for 4000+ patients and families in Ontario."

Enough is enough...

NDPP

Genetic characteristics of coronavirus point to its natural origin, scientist says

https://tass.com/science/1237167

"The scientist noted that to date, there have been no data indicating that the structure of the virus has signs of being artificially created..."

Pondering

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/quebec-hotel-covid-patients_ca_5fde6...

“The situation is critical in some hospitals,” Dube told reporters during a virtual news conference. “We’ve had to prepare beds for COVID patients in what we call, non-traditional locations, because we lack beds in hospitals.”

“In Quebec City, we installed beds at Hotel Le Concorde,” he said, “we are even going to be forced to use the reception rooms.” 

COVID-related hospitalizations in Quebec have risen 50 per cent in the past three weeks, for a total of 1,011. The number of patients in intensive care rose by seven compared with Thursday, to 141.

Getting ready for January/February which will be brutal. 

NDPP

UK Faces New More Infectious COVID Strain with Stricter Measures

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13524419/new-covid-strain-london-cases-dou...

"...The new strain of COVID that's ripping through London and the South is up to 70% more contagious, Boris Johnson said today. Speaking today at a No 10 briefing, the PM said the new strain is up to '70 per cent more transmissible than the original version of the disease..."

NDPP

Now that the first COVID vaccine is here, what do I need to know (and radio)

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/whitecoat/now-that-the-first-covid-vaccine-is-h...

"The largest immunization rollout in Canadian history has begun with the arrival of the first doses of COVID-19 vaccine. This milestone raises many questions, from why different people get the first shots in different provinces to concerns about potential allergic reactions or adverse side effects when our turn finally comes. Plus, there's already a lot of misinformation out there..."

 

The [US] COVID Vaccine Rollout: A Demonstration of Capitalist Incompetence

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/12/21/vacc-d21.html

"The COVID vaccine rollout last week has been nothing short of a disastrous unorganized publicity stunt..."

NDPP

COVID Canada Update: 12/20/2020

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/

  • Ontario will enter province-wide lockdown as of Xmas Eve
  • Ontario logs more than 2300 new cases
  • Quebec shatters single-day record - 2,146 new COVID-19 cases
  • Alberta reports 1,286 new cases
  • Moderna COVID-19 shots leave US warehouses
NDPP

COVID-19 Pandemic LIVE: World Map/Count

https://youtu.be/NMre6IAAAiU

12/20/2020 (Updating)

NDPP

'Worse than Ebenezer Scrooge'

https://on.rt.com/axqd

"Covid-19 stimulus deal agreed by Congress after months of wrangling, roasted for $600 'payoff'."

NDPP

"Take a listen to one doctor on what we should and shouldn't be doing this holiday season, during COVID-19. Dr Kali Barrett is a critical care physician and a member of covid19mc which does Ontario COVID projections."

https://twitter.com/CBCLorenda/status/1340760566583975940

Aristotleded24

Here is an interveiw that I know many here are going to love:

Why Sweden is headed for disaster with Fredrik Elgh

Pondering

Aristotleded24 wrote:

Here is an interveiw that I know many here are going to love:

Why Sweden is headed for disaster with Fredrik Elgh

I didn't get past the first couple of minutes. He doesn't seem to have anything new to say. I'm getting the feeling most of us are satisfied by the news we are getting from our local health professionals working in hospitals and care centres. We are 10 months in watching the numbers rise and fall and various restrictions occurring and being lifted then reimposed.  The vaccines will likely take all of 2021. This isn't a political or debatable issue for me. It is purely a health issue. 

 

NDPP

The Jimmy Dore Show

https://youtu.be/pHHTVyvmpyk

"Blow torching the economy': Covid relief bill is disaster for America."

NDPP

Ontario reports more than 2,400 new cases, 41 deaths.

NDPP

Dr John Campbell, Coronavirus Update: 12/22/2020

https://youtu.be/DT-b-BVLJrw

 

Covid mutation spreads, vaccine rollout.

The US expert Dr Fauci suggests it is likely the more infectious variant has now also been seeded into North America.

 

NDPP

'I think Canadians know what the right choice is...'

https://twitter.com/CTVNationalNews/status/1341376240196923392

"Dr Sharkawy pleads with Canadians to 'do the right thing this holiday season', as COVID-19 cases, deaths continue to rise."

Happy Holidays and Safe Season's greetings to all.

NDPP

Residents lacking sufficient medication, water at nursing home battling severe COVID-19 outbreak, doctors warn

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/residents-lacking-sufficient-medi...

"Tendercare nursing home in Scarborough has 158 current cases of COVID-19. An additional 26 residents have already died of the virus."

'My first reaction was they don't know what they're doing and they don't have it under control.'

'I will build an iron ring around long term care homes.' - Premier Doug Ford, March 2020

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While some trim their holly, in their midst and with their silent consent the eldercide continues.

NDPP

Canada could see 'grotesque' spike in coronavirus cases after holidays: expert

https://globalnews.ca/news/7540186/canada-coronavirus-christmas-spike/

"...Colin Furness, an infection control epidemiologist and assistant professor at the University of Toronto, said Canadians should expect to see a 'grotesque' spike in the number of COVID-19 infections after the holidays 'because of family visiting."

'It'll be alright' is what many victims said before they caught it. Be safe. Don't give/get the 'gift' of COVID with loved ones this holiday.

2446  reported new Ontario cases today.

NDPP

COVID-19 hospitalizations, deaths worldwide reach record highs

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/12/24/covi-d24-1.html

"All over the world, the 2020 holiday season is dominated by the tragic reality that 1.7 million human beings, cut down by the coronavirus pandemic, will never again have the opportunity to visit and celebrate with loved ones..."

Aristotleded24

NDPP wrote:
'It'll be alright' is what many victims said before they caught it. Be safe. Don't give/get the 'gift' of COVID with loved ones this holiday.

Instead, we can just keep avoiding them until they die of something else. Nobody knows with any certainty that they are going to be alive next Christmas. People need to discuss the risk with their families, and come to a decision that is right for them. For some families, that will be a Zoom call. For others, that will be an in-person gathering. Nobody has any business interefering with what is a very personal choice.

JKR

Aristotleded24 wrote:

NDPP wrote:
'It'll be alright' is what many victims said before they caught it. Be safe. Don't give/get the 'gift' of COVID with loved ones this holiday.

Instead, we can just keep avoiding them until they die of something else. Nobody knows with any certainty that they are going to be alive next Christmas. People need to discuss the risk with their families, and come to a decision that is right for them. For some families, that will be a Zoom call. For others, that will be an in-person gathering. Nobody has any business interefering with what is a very personal choice.

From what we've seen from around the world, governments have the right and responsibility to deal with Covid-19.

Aristotleded24

JKR wrote:

Aristotleded24 wrote:

NDPP wrote:
'It'll be alright' is what many victims said before they caught it. Be safe. Don't give/get the 'gift' of COVID with loved ones this holiday.

Instead, we can just keep avoiding them until they die of something else. Nobody knows with any certainty that they are going to be alive next Christmas. People need to discuss the risk with their families, and come to a decision that is right for them. For some families, that will be a Zoom call. For others, that will be an in-person gathering. Nobody has any business interefering with what is a very personal choice.

From what we've seen from around the world, governments have the right and responsibility to deal with Covid-19.

Then they should actually deal with covid 19. How people manage the risk in the context of their families  is a personal matter. Other than providing information and support, the government has absolutley no business restricting which family and friends people are allowed to visit. You can't go so overboard on stopping covid that you strip life of the very things that make being alive worthwhile. Family is a very important thing that people live for. It is so important that when it comes to elderly couples, when one partner dies the other is not that far behind. "We shouldn't visit grandpa this year because he might catch covid. Maybe next year," we say. Suppose you follow this advice, thinking you'll visit next Christmas, but he suddenly dies of a heart attack in the spring. Are you going to feel good knowing he spent his last Christmas without you? Maybe canceling the in-person visit meant that this grandpa never had a chance to hold his new grandchild. Are you that myopically foused on covid that you can't see anything else that is happening?

JKR

Governments already make exceptions for meeting with family members who are close to dying. I agree that policies regarding Covid have to take many things into account. That doesn't negate the fact that Covid-19 is very serious. That's why governments of all stripes worldwide have had to respond so seriously.

Aristotleded24

NDPP wrote:
COVID-19 hospitalizations, deaths worldwide reach record highs

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/12/24/covi-d24-1.html

"All over the world, the 2020 holiday season is dominated by the tragic reality that 1.7 million human beings, cut down by the coronavirus pandemic, will never again have the opportunity to visit and celebrate with loved ones..."

While we forget that, if recent years are any indication, similar numbers of people worldwide have died from tuberculosis and from diahhreoal diseases. But these maladies mostly affect the developing world so nodoby is going to pay any attention to them.

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Many here in Canada and in the developing world don't celebrate Christmas so making this some kind of special plea seems tone deaf to many who have different celebrations or none at all.

Most people throughout the world deal with death and illness on a daily basis and many may not have even be able to spend time with dying family members prior to COVID-19 because family members are far flung and travel to do see them is prohibitive. My mother lost many close family members who were overseas and I too have been unable to visit close relatives who were very ill or attend their funerals because of that distance and the costs associated with travel. It sucked and continues to suck.

Pondering

While we forget that, if recent years are any indication, similar numbers of people worldwide have died from tuberculosis and from diahhreoal diseases. But these maladies mostly affect the developing world so nodoby is going to pay any attention to them.

People are and have been paying attention to those diseases. Having said that most people are more concerned about threats in their own communities than threats elsewhere. 

NDPP

Coronavirus: 41 dead amid COVID-19 outbreak at Scarborough long-term care home

https://globalnews.ca/news/7543341/tendercare-living-centre-coronavirus-...

"Forty-one people have now died amid a coronavirus outbreak at a Scarborough long-term care home. Officials on Saturday said there is a sufficient amount of personal protective equipment and said infection precautions and control education is 'well underway' for staff at the home."

 

Scarborough LTC home grappling with  COVID-19 outbreak reporting 13 more deaths (and vid)

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/tendercare-living-centre-outbreak...

"Physicans and family members raised concerns about conditions at the home..."

NDPP

'Well, well, well...This looks like $750 x 15..."

https://twitter.com/imgrund/status/1343411706660352003

"Well, well, well...Appears that Ontario MPP Randy Hillier MAY have pulled a Sam Oosterhoff and gathered over the Christmas holidays. Hope 'Premier Dad' looks into WHEN this photo was taken and acts appropriately. This looks like $250 x 15..."

[email protected]

NDPP

Dr John Campbell, Coronavirus Update: 12/27/2020

https://youtu.be/SQWWrVLMX4g

Update...

NDPP

Why the Boss is Happy to Let You Die

https://twitter.com/JohnOCAP/status/1343643792893767681

"Capitalism has a high threshold for needless death. Incredibly, despite the duration of the pandemic and the opportunity afforded in Canada by its summer easing, governments were no better prepared for the second wave than they were when the crisis first broke in March, the current response amounting to little more than a shrug of the shoulders and victim blaming in many provinces. The laissez-faire response to the coronavirus pandemic is calculated and purposeful, and it reveals much..."

NDPP

"One per thousand Americans have now died from COVID-19. How does that compare with 12 other select countries with > 20 million population?

https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1342991509814083584

Deaths Per Population: India - 1 per 9,365

                                                 Canada - 1 per 2,552

Who's the loser?

Why?

NDPP

2,553 new Ontario cases today.

NDPP

Dr John Campbell, Pandemic Update: 12/28/2020

https://youtu.be/KrM33gYXmOM

Injections versus infections, South African covid variant, UK, USA.

Aristotleded24

NDPP wrote:
"One per thousand Americans have now died from COVID-19. How does that compare with 12 other select countries with > 20 million population?

https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1342991509814083584

Deaths Per Population: India - 1 per 9,365

                                                 Canada - 1 per 2,552

Who's the loser?

Why?

How much colder does it get in Canada during the winter as opposed to India?

Aristotleded24

Australia continues to prove that lockdowns work:

Quote:

Authorities in Australia’s New South Wales (NSW) have put about a quarter of a million people in Sydney’s northern beach suburbs into a strict lockdown and restricted gatherings across the rest of the city in a bid to contain a growing coronavirus outbreak.

NSW, which incorporates Sydney, recorded 30 new COVID-19 cases on Sunday, taking a cluster that emerged in Sydney’s northern beaches area to 70, with some cases still under investigation.

Until Wednesday, Australia had gone more than two weeks without any local transmission and had lifted most restrictions before Christmas. The outbreak in Australia’s most populous state prompted states and territories to reimpose border restrictions, sending holiday travel plans for thousands into chaos.

Sydney’s northern beach suburbs entered a strict lockdown on Saturday, with residents only permitted to leave their homes for five basic reasons: medical care, exercise, grocery shop, work or for compassionate care reasons.

But I thought the whole point of lockdown was to, if not eliminate the virus, drive it down low enough so that you can set up testing and tracing infrastructure that would find the virus quickly and stop it from spreading out of control. This is I think the third time a region of Australia has had to enter some form of lockdown to contain covid spread? Notice that these restrictions are far greater than anything we have experienced in Canada. If the lockdowns are so effective, why do we have to keep bringing them back?

NDPP

3,000 new Ontario cases today...

Fullerton defends government's handling of long-term care sector as COVID-19 case counts rise

https://twitter.com/CP24/status/1344028839081553922

 

Happy Holidays from the Government of Ontario (and vid)

https://twitter.com/brittlestar/status/1344376587974750209

 

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