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NorthReport

Calgary mayor says anti-mask rallies are ‘thinly veiled white nationalist’ protests

 

https://globalnews.ca/news/7843813/naheed-nenshi-covid-pandemic-vaccinat...

NDPP

New Analysis Finds Global Death Toll is DOUBLE Official Estimates

https://twitter.com/HelenBranswell/status/1390323959812534273

"It's always been clear the death toll from COVID-19 was going to be an underestimate. The gap is significant..."

 

Waiver of Patent Rights on COVID-19 Vaccines, in Near Term, May Be More Symbolic Than Substantive

https://twitter.com/HelenBranswell/status/1390274848392368133

"If the WTO approves the move, will this actually lead to more production? People who understand vaccine manufacturing say on its own, no. Tech transfer, massive investment must follow."

NDPP

COVID-19 Pandemic LIVE: World Map/Count

https://youtu.be/NMre6IAAAiU

 (Updating)

NDPP

COVID-19 as Social Murder: 'Only Business'

https://spectrejournal.com/covid-19-as-social-murder/

"We should call the coronavirus crisis what it is: social murder. The disease is concentrating suffering on people near the bottom of a complex social hierarchy. Capitalism, along with white supremacy and other exploitative and exclusionary systems, are to blame - so too are those who benefit most..."

"Ride-share driver, meat-packer, mechanic for public transit operator - all these were recently admitted to my ICU after acquiring COVID on the job. None had convenient access to vaccines. Bring vaccines to workplaces. Fully vaccinate those with high risk on schedule."

https://twitter.com/drmwarner/status/1391712244132630533

Aristotleded24

NorthReport wrote:
Calgary mayor says anti-mask rallies are ‘thinly veiled white nationalist’ protests

 

https://globalnews.ca/news/7843813/naheed-nenshi-covid-pandemic-vaccinat...

I guess someone should tell the President and co-founder of Concerned Ontario Doctors that she herself is a white supremacist.

NDPP

Ontario Will No Longer Give AstraZeneca COVID-19 Vaccine as First Dose Due to Blood Clot Risk

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-update-astrazeneca-vaccin...

" [Dr] Williams said the decision was made out of an abundance of caution..."

Or an abundance of exposure to lawsuits.

eastnoireast

came across this article last night.  it covers much of the same ground as this yurideigin article, from over a year ago, and although lacking the pretty graphics of the former, does have some added political and timely information.  well written i thought.

and, it's by someone attached to more established names, so not as easily dismissed as some guy named yuri.  probably putin's personal trollbot, next.

so, yeah, hard to see how covid _wasn't made in a lab.  in level2 containment. (= dentist office!) 

by the same asshats, industries, systems, and thinking we're now expecting to save us.

The origin of COVID: Did people or nature open Pandora’s box at Wuhan?

By Nicholas Wade | May 5, 2021

https://thebulletin.org/2021/05/the-origin-of-covid-did-people-or-nature-open-pandoras-box-at-wuhan/

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NDPP

Thank heavens. I was beginning to worry that with the dismal failure of the 'Uyghur-genocide' narrative, we were running out of pretexts for the coming war on China.

Aristotleded24

NDPP wrote:
Thank heavens. I was beginning to worry that with the dismal failure of the 'Uyghur-genocide' narrative, we were running out of pretexts for the coming war on China.

Some who are oppressed are bothered because they feel nobody should be oppressed. Some who are oppressed are bothered because they want to be the ones doing the oppressing. The history of nearly every armed revolution in history ending up with the same authoritarian structures it sought to replace is testament to that.

Aristotleded24

eastnoireast wrote:
came across this article last night.  it covers much of the same ground as this yurideigin article, from over a year ago, and although lacking the pretty graphics of the former, does have some added political and timely information.  well written i thought.

and, it's by someone attached to more established names, so not as easily dismissed as some guy named yuri.  probably putin's personal trollbot, next.

so, yeah, hard to see how covid _wasn't made in a lab.  in level2 containment. (= dentist office!) 

by the same asshats, industries, systems, and thinking we're now expecting to save us.

The origin of COVID: Did people or nature open Pandora’s box at Wuhan?

By Nicholas Wade | May 5, 2021

https://thebulletin.org/2021/05/the-origin-of-covid-did-people-or-nature-open-pandoras-box-at-wuhan/

Watch another brilliant takedown of Dr. Fauci by Rand Paul

Aristotleded24

eastnoireast wrote:
came across this article last night.  it covers much of the same ground as this yurideigin article, from over a year ago, and although lacking the pretty graphics of the former, does have some added political and timely information.  well written i thought.

and, it's by someone attached to more established names, so not as easily dismissed as some guy named yuri.  probably putin's personal trollbot, next.

so, yeah, hard to see how covid _wasn't made in a lab.  in level2 containment. (= dentist office!) 

by the same asshats, industries, systems, and thinking we're now expecting to save us.

The origin of COVID: Did people or nature open Pandora’s box at Wuhan?

By Nicholas Wade | May 5, 2021

https://thebulletin.org/2021/05/the-origin-of-covid-did-people-or-nature-open-pandoras-box-at-wuhan/

Meanwhile, closer to home for me:

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As the Public Health Agency of Canada refuses to release uncensored internal documents, a Conservative MP says he wants to know how far Canada's collaboration with China on Level-4 pathogens went — and why two federal scientists were let go by the National Microbiology Lab in Winnipeg in January.

"We need these documents. We need to know what the Government of Canada was doing through the National Microbiology Lab in Winnipeg with respect to cooperating with the Wuhan Institute of Virology in Wuhan, China," Conservative foreign affairs critic Michael Chong said during a special parliamentary committee hearing on Canada-China relations Monday night.

The special committee has demanded to know why two federal government scientists were escorted out of Canada's only Level 4 Lab in July 2019, just four months after one of them shipped samples of the Ebola and Henipah viruses to the Wuhan Institute of Virology in China — stories first published by CBC News.

Two months after that shipment, on May 24, 2019, the Public Health Agency of Canada (PHAC) referred an "administrative matter" to RCMP that resulted in the removal of two Chinese research scientists — Xiangguo Qiu and her husband, Keding Cheng — and several international students on July 5.

eastnoireast

NDPP wrote:

Thank heavens. I was beginning to worry that with the dismal failure of the 'Uyghur-genocide' narrative, we were running out of pretexts for the coming war on China.

in other words, you got nuthin'

other than an uninformed base idpol driveby

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way to go, canada's pre-eminent? alt/left/pol discussion forum

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eastnoireast

NDPP wrote:

Thank heavens. I was beginning to worry that with the dismal failure of the 'Uyghur-genocide' narrative, we were running out of pretexts for the coming war on China.

you care to actually, like, read the article, and honestly critique some aspect of it?

i don't post a lot of links.  i think this one is important.  thank you for your consideration.  have a nice day.

kropotkin1951

eastnoireast wrote:

NDPP wrote:

Thank heavens. I was beginning to worry that with the dismal failure of the 'Uyghur-genocide' narrative, we were running out of pretexts for the coming war on China.

you care to actually, like, read the article, and honestly critique some aspect of it?

i don't post a lot of links.  i think this one is important.  thank you for your consideration.  have a nice day.

I read the article and it was nothing but speculation with a very nasty anti-Chinese after taste. He admits he has no scientific proof just theories he is postulating but then goes on to primarily blame the Chinese virologists, authorities and government.

I’ll describe the two theories, explain why each is plausible, and then ask which provides the better explanation of the available facts. It’s important to note that so far there is no direct evidence for either theory. Each depends on a set of reasonable conjectures but so far lacks proof. So I have only clues, not conclusions, to offer. But those clues point in a specific direction. And having inferred that direction, I’m going to delineate some of the strands in this tangled skein of disaster.

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Here are the players who seem most likely to deserve blame.

  1. Chinese virologists. First and foremost, Chinese virologists are to blame for performing gain-of-function experiments in mostly BSL2-level safety conditions which were far too lax to contain a virus of unexpected infectiousness like SARS2. If the virus did indeed escape from their lab, they deserve the world’s censure for a foreseeable accident that has already caused the deaths of three  million people. True, Shi was trained by French virologists, worked closely with American virologists and was following international rules for the containment of coronaviruses. But she could and should have made her own assessment of the risks she was running. She and her colleagues bear the responsibility for their actions."

 

NorthReport
NorthReport
NDPP

Please transfer above to the 'The Demonization of China' thread where it more suitably belongs.

kropotkin1951

NorthReport wrote:

https://beta.ctvnews.ca/national/coronavirus/2021/4/8/1_5379358.html

China is inherently untrustworthy and immoral said Jamie Metzl, senior fellow at the Atlantic Council think tank, who led the drafting process for the letter. The new and improved babble has become an aggregating site for imperial propaganda.

NorthReport
NDPP

CDC says fully vaccinated people in the US can stop wearing masks in most indoor places

https://twitter.com/i/events/1392912348927512576

"If you are fully vaccinated against COVID-19, you can resume activities without wearing a mask or staying 6 feet apart, except where required by federal, state, local, tribal or territorial laws, including local business and workplace guidance. More..."

NDPP

The Lancet: Making COVID-19 The Last Pandemic

https://twitter.com/IrfanDhalla/status/1392431493448970241

"The message for change is clear: COVID-19 should be the last pandemic..."

Aristotleded24
Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

Aristotleded24 wrote:

Putting the pandemic response in perspective with pennies

Trolling the sewers again, are we? Even the "libertarian leaning" Quillette says that Ivor Cummins is a dangerous fraud.

JKR

Aristotleded24 wrote:

Putting the pandemic response in perspective with pennies

So in other words you feel millions of lives are expendable in order for you to avoid social distancing? It seems like you're saying your personal freedom is more important than the lives of millions of people!

Aristotleded24

JKR wrote:

Aristotleded24 wrote:

Putting the pandemic response in perspective with pennies

So in other words you feel millions of lives are expendable in order for you to avoid social distancing? It seems like you're saying your personal freedom is more important than the lives of millions of people!

Do you understand that your guilt-tripping attempts at emotional blackmail of people who have legitimate questions about the covid response and whether lockdowns and mask mandates actually even protect people from dying from covid is getting old?

Aristotleded24

Lockdowns and mask mandates: which side relies more on science, their advocates or their detractors?

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Of course, many people have been sceptical of “the science” (by which I mean the officially endorsed science) from the very beginning. And of course, they’ve formed communities online with other like-minded persons. (Lockdown Sceptics would be one example of such a community.) 

In an unpublished paper, researchers from MIT sought to understand how the users of these communities obtain, analyse, share and curate information. Surprisingly (to them), they found that users place a premium on data literacy and scientific rigour. 

The researchers used a mixed methods design. First, they analysed a large sample of pandemic-related tweets sent between January and July 2020. Second, they employed ethnographic methods to study users on “anti-mask” Facebook groups. (Note that they use “anti-mask” as a “synecdoche for a broad spectrum of beliefs: that the pandemic is exaggerated, schools should be reopening, etc.”)

In their analysis of Twitter data, the researchers found that sceptics “share the second-highest number of charts across the top six communities”, and that they are “the most prolific producers of area/line charts”, while sharing “the fewest number of photos”. They also found that such individuals “often create polished counter-visualizations that would not be out of place in scientific papers”.  

In their study of “anti-mask” Facebook groups, the researchers found that users “value unmediated access to information and privilege personal research and direct reading over “expert interpretations”, and that “their approach to the pandemic is grounded in more scientific rigour, not less”. 

“Most fundamentally,” the researchers write, “the groups we studied believe that science is a process, and not an institution”.

JKR

Aristotleded24 wrote:

Do you understand that your guilt-tripping attempts at emotional blackmail of people who have legitimate questions about the covid response and whether lockdowns and mask mandates actually even protect people from dying from covid is getting old?

Do you understand that your self-serving arguments against social distancing and vaccines because you can't be personally inconvenienced by them is being discarded as vaccines are allowing us to return to normality?

JKR

Preliminary talks on lifting Canada-U.S. border restrictions underway

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Preliminary talks on lifting restrictions along the Canada-U.S. border are underway, according to an official with direct knowledge of the file.

CBC News has confirmed initial conversations between Canada and the U.S. are happening at the officials level, meaning the politicians who ultimately will make the decision are not directly involved in those talks yet.

The official said no decisions are expected in the short term, but that there is hope for "positive news as summer progresses," especially in light of the increase in vaccination rates in Canada.

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Aristotleded24

More on when restrictions might ease:

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The Public Health Agency of Canada (PHAC) has issued preliminary guidelines detailing what Canadians can expect to do this summer and fall with fewer pandemic restrictions, all dependent on whether the country can meet its vaccine targets.

If 75 per cent of Canadians eligible for vaccines have had one dose and 20 per cent have had a second dose, summer can include camping, hiking, picnics, and patios, but crowds should still be avoided, PHAC says.

By fall, if 75 per cent of those eligible for a vaccine have been fully vaccinated, expect to be able to gather indoors with people outside your household, participate in indoor sports, and attend family gatherings.

Who are we as a country? Are we a nation of free adults, where the government responds to the will of the people? Or are we a nation of serfs and subjects to be ruled over by appointed elites?

JKR

I'd say governments are responding to the will of the people as people expect their governments to deal effectively with COVID-19.

NDPP

COVID Canada Update: 5/15/2021

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus

  • Experts call on Canada to use COVAX doses of AstraZeneca or give them back
  • WHO urges rich countries to donate shots instead of vaccinating children
  • Canada unlikely to follow US approach to easing COVID-19 masking rules
Aristotleded24

More on how mask wearing prevents covid spread, this time based on the experience of Japan:

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Well Japan is close to reaching their highest new case average of the past year, despite 98% mask compliance. I don’t know about you, but I look forward to the mental gymnastics experts will be performing to explain how no, this actually means masks work and have always worked

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

Reminds me of this gem of right wing "science".

Aristotleded24

Michael Moriarity wrote:
Reminds me of this gem of right wing "science".

That's true. The science shows that this right-wing state which never imposed mask mandates had multiple waves of covid, thus proving that masks work and are absolutely necessary.

Aristotleded24

Meanwhile in Taiwan:

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Taiwan reported 206 new domestic Covid-19 infections on Sunday (May 16), as the island grapples with an increase in community infections.

Taiwan has appealed to people to avoid panic buying of items such as instant noodles and toilet paper as new curbs on gatherings and movement took effect to rein in the spread of Covid-19 during a spike in domestic infections.

Taiwan raised its coronavirus alert level in the capital, Taipei, and the surrounding city, on Saturday (May 15), imposing two weeks of restrictions that will shut many venues and limit gatherings.

David Katz warned about this scenario last year, whereby once lockdowns are released, the virus moves through the population and you still haven't solved the problem of no population immunity. Dan O'Brien, responding to claims of the success of countries that supposedly crushed covid, predicted that they may end up experiencing the same wave anyways back in October. Let's also remember that Australia is about to enter its flu season, so we don't know how that will play out. I remember the so-called herd immunity strategy being derided early on, but you look at jurisdictions that have done that, like Sweden, Belarus, Florida, Texas, and South Dakota, and their new case trends range anywhere from stable to steep decline. So a rise in the number of infections was inevitable. Wouldn't it have made more sense to accept that reality and prepare for it rather than trying to run and hide?

NorthReport

Not out of the woods yet in BC, but definitely moving in the right direction.

And it appears vaccine passports will be coming soon to vaccinated people near you

https://globalnews.ca/news/7867156/bc-vaccine-reopening/amp/

Aristotleded24

Over 300 new cases in Taiwan today, on top of a record more than 200 yesterday.

Pondering

Aristotleded24 wrote:

Over 300 new cases in Taiwan today, on top of a record more than 200 yesterday.

In a population of 23.5 million that doesn't seem so bad.  With a population of around 35 million Canada has thousands a day.  At 3 or 4 hundred a day we would be dancing in the streets. 

Quebec alone is over 5 hundred a day with a population of 8.5 million.  I'll take Taiwan's "failure" any day. 

JKR

Taiwan is doing very well!

NorthReport

Precisely JKR

The covid-19 battle

Best record

1 Taiwan
2 New Zealand
3 Iceland
4 Singapore
5 Vietnam

Worst record

1 USA (Trump, right-winger)
2 Brazil (Bolsonaro, right-winger)
3 India (Modi, right-winger)
4 Mexico (Obrador, overwhelmed by Drug Cartels)
5 UK (Johnson, right-winger)

https://www.movehub.com/blog/best-and-worst-covid-responses/

NDPP

Yes, USA still top of the COVID cases contest. America #1! Which is why, given it was also overwhelmingly the primary source of COVID 19 infection of Canadians (NOT CHINA) , we should not be pushed into prematurely opening our border with the American capital of contagion until their numbers are WAY down.

NorthReport

Says the big Trump fan!

NDPP

Caught again.

kropotkin1951

NorthReport wrote:
Says the big Trump fan!

Indeed Keeny O'Toole.

bekayne

Aristotleded24 wrote:

Meanwhile in Taiwan:

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Taiwan reported 206 new domestic Covid-19 infections on Sunday (May 16), as the island grapples with an increase in community infections.

Taiwan has appealed to people to avoid panic buying of items such as instant noodles and toilet paper as new curbs on gatherings and movement took effect to rein in the spread of Covid-19 during a spike in domestic infections.

Taiwan raised its coronavirus alert level in the capital, Taipei, and the surrounding city, on Saturday (May 15), imposing two weeks of restrictions that will shut many venues and limit gatherings.

David Katz warned about this scenario last year, whereby once lockdowns are released, the virus moves through the population and you still haven't solved the problem of no population immunity. Dan O'Brien, responding to claims of the success of countries that supposedly crushed covid, predicted that they may end up experiencing the same wave anyways back in October. Let's also remember that Australia is about to enter its flu season, so we don't know how that will play out. I remember the so-called herd immunity strategy being derided early on, but you look at jurisdictions that have done that, like Sweden, Belarus, Florida, Texas, and South Dakota, and their new case trends range anywhere from stable to steep decline. So a rise in the number of infections was inevitable. Wouldn't it have made more sense to accept that reality and prepare for it rather than trying to run and hide?

All of whom have more than double the new caseloads of...California

NorthReport

Finally the politics are slowly being shoved aside, allowing the covid lab leak theory to become mainstream No one is saying they have the answers yet, just that a much more thorough analysis needs to be made.

https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-lab-leak-conspiracy-theory-research-fa...

NorthReport
Pondering

NorthReport wrote:
Informative article https://donaldgmcneiljr1954.medium.com/how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-an...

Informative yes, but again seems to think China has to prove it didn't come from a lab.  I can't think of a country that would allow outside investigators to access lab notes on a fishing expedition.  What we know for sure is that China warned the world early on and the world decided not to prepare.  In full view of the world China locked down Wuhan and gave the gene sequencing as soon as they had it. 

Meanwhile Canada doesn't want to lift the patents on vaccines. 

NorthReport

Most people would prefer this does not reoccur so we just need to follow the science to try and prevent that from happening. It is indeed unfortunate that Trump jumped on the anti-China non-scientific approach which has seriously skewed the discussion. But as the period of time increases from when he had his presidential megaphone the scientific aspects of the covid origins are coming to the fore.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/19/cdc-chief-says-lab-based-origin-of-covid...

NDPP

Oh goodie, more China did it to us COVID conspiracy theory. Like Russiagate, it all makes perfect sense. Those sneaky reds really do 'hate us for our freedoms'.

Understandably the poster wishes to distance himself from the conspiracy theory's right-wing progenitor, the evil Orangeman. But of course this is no vile and common 'deplorables' Kung-flu' 'CHINAHVIRUS' smear,  but  'credible' 'scientific',  'progressive' 'in The Bulletin'...yellow peril agit-prop.

 

Think on this right-lefter :

'If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.' - Malcolm X

"It is the job of thinking people not to side with the executioners." - Albert Camus

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