Coronavirus: what Canadians need to know

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Sean in Ottawa

Pondering wrote:

This is the beginning not the end. If we can control it well enough that people don't die from lack of respirators we will be doing very well. 

Remember this is just tested cases and the testing is way behind. 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

It can be sorted by total cases, new cases, total deaths, new deaths, total recovered, active cases, critical cases and total cases per million,

Right now per million is

  • Canada 21
  • USA 35
  • UK 48
  • Italy 679
  • China 56

It arrived in Canada later so we may catch up, hopefully not to Italy.

Deaths: Canada, 10  USA 171

USA is roughly 9 times that of Canada so if we were even Canada would have 90 deaths. We may well catch up to the US but if the Canadian system holds up better Americans are going to be pissed. 

 

Missing in the above is the number tested as the number of cases is a function of the number tested. So percentage of cases of the number tested gives a better idea of the outbreak than comparing cases by pop between countries with different depths of testing.

NDPP

An Updated Guide to the Coronavirus Drugs and Vaccines in Development

https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/19/an-updated-guide-to-the-coronavirus-...

"Here's a guide to some of the most talked about efforts to treat or prevent coronavirus infection, with details on the science, history and timline for each endeavor. We're looking at novel medicines, not repurposed drugs. (For more on some of the efforts to repurpose drugs, read this...)

 

Re: Cuban Antiviral Drug

https://t.co/3ht4NipeY8?amp=1

"...As reported on Tuesday, the SKAWKBOX had sent repeated enquiries to the Department of Health over a period of days, asking whether a Cuban drug used by China in its dramatic reduction of the death rate of the COVID-19 coronavirus was being used to treat patients in the UK - and if not, what steps the government was taking to obtain it.

Interferon Alfa-2b is part of a treatment regime that has seen China reduce coronavirus mortality to just 0.4%.  It works by disrupting a virus's replication inside cells, preventing the complications that can kill sufferers and reducing the need for intensive care unit treatment - and the drug is already licensed for use in the UK..."

Given the extreme demonstrated subservience and fear of Trudeau/Freeland et al to upset Washington, by using a Cuban 'commie' medicine instead of a western big pharma corporate concoction, there is unfortunately faint hope that this apparently cheap and effective  'miracle drug' will be used here. We will likely have to wait until something expensive and American comes along.

NDPP

TRNN: A Coronavirus Bailout Will Save Corporations Not Workers (and vid)

https://t.co/PDhs65QEnN?amp=1

"What happened to the cash from the last bailout? Industries spent it all on stock buybacks and are now looking for trillions more..."

 

jerrym

Aristotleded24 wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

Aristotleded24 wrote:

Nationwide, new cases have dropped slightly from May 17. I know it's too soon, but are we starting to turn the corner?

Unfortunatley the issue is mostly likely that Ontario test results are delayed by 4-6 days right now. When these catch up you will find it a different story. The material for test kits is in short supply, tests are being rationed and results are coming extremely slowly.

No -- we are unfortunately a long way from turnign the corner.

What is happening is that governments of all parties are taking this seriously and governments in Canada seem to be doing mostly a decent job now after delays at the start. I think there is a sense across party lines that the population wants, needs, expects governments to rise to this.

Our system is over-burdened but there is a sense of increased awareness of the need to be careful and to support each other.

Another drastic drop for new cases today nationwide, with no new cases in Manitoba reported at this time.

This post is quite scary, but I still hope that these numbers are actually showing good news.

We are nowhere near the end of this. Trying to get through to a hot line for information on the virus and testing is an accomplishment. When you try in BC you get a automatic message to go a website because it is so busy. If you click a characteristic of the disease, it refers you back to the phone number that just told you to phone. My next door neighbour is an emergency room doctor who that most hospital staff do not only do they not have enough personal protective equipment. Furthermore, they are wondering they are only testing those who are highly likely to test positive because they are quite sick since they are in danger of running out of swabs to do the test. I have heard of similar problems in getting through to provincial  hotlines in Ontario and New Brunswick. 

In other words, the number of people tested every day is nowhere near the number of the number of people who have the virus and using these numbers as an indication of when the virus peaks is foolish.

Governor Newsom of California has he expects 27 million people (out of California's 40 million) to become infected and therefore is ordering the entire state population to stay home in the United States' strictest lockdown.

 Gov. Gavin Newsom on Thursday ordered California's nearly 40 million residents to stay home, making it the first state to impose that strict mandate on all residents to counteract a looming surge of new infections.

The order takes effect immediately and remains in place "until further notice." Californians are not allowed to leave home except for essential purposes. They are allowed to purchase groceries, prescriptions and health care, as well as commute to jobs deemed essential.

The governor's order comes with misdemeanor penalties for anyone who violates the restrictions, though he said he believes social pressure will keep people home rather than law enforcement.

“There’s a social contract here,” Newsom said. “People, I think, recognize the need to do more and meet his moment.”

https://www.politico.com/states/california/story/2020/03/19/newsom-order...

NDPP

"I don't know what you're thinking.' The head of a visiting Chinese Red Cross delegation helping Italy respond to the coronavirus crisis says the country is not doing enough to contain the virus (and vid)

https://twitter.com/TIME/status/1240889102804889600

Aristotleded24

jerrym wrote:

Aristotleded24 wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

Aristotleded24 wrote:

Nationwide, new cases have dropped slightly from May 17. I know it's too soon, but are we starting to turn the corner?

Unfortunatley the issue is mostly likely that Ontario test results are delayed by 4-6 days right now. When these catch up you will find it a different story. The material for test kits is in short supply, tests are being rationed and results are coming extremely slowly.

No -- we are unfortunately a long way from turnign the corner.

What is happening is that governments of all parties are taking this seriously and governments in Canada seem to be doing mostly a decent job now after delays at the start. I think there is a sense across party lines that the population wants, needs, expects governments to rise to this.

Our system is over-burdened but there is a sense of increased awareness of the need to be careful and to support each other.

Another drastic drop for new cases today nationwide, with no new cases in Manitoba reported at this time.

This post is quite scary, but I still hope that these numbers are actually showing good news.

We are nowhere near the end of this. Trying to get through to a hot line for information on the virus and testing is an accomplishment. When you try in BC you get a automatic message to go a website because it is so busy. If you click a characteristic of the disease, it refers you back to the phone number that just told you to phone. My next door neighbour is an emergency room doctor who that most hospital staff do not only do they not have enough personal protective equipment. Furthermore, they are wondering they are only testing those who are highly likely to test positive because they are quite sick since they are in danger of running out of swabs to do the test. I have heard of similar problems in getting through to provincial  hotlines in Ontario and New Brunswick. 

In other words, the number of people tested every day is nowhere near the number of the number of people who have the virus and using these numbers as an indication of when the virus peaks is foolish.

I'm sorry, but continuing the way things are now over the long term is not in any way realistic. People's lives have been upended, and they're not going to respond well to being told to stay home and not go out for months on end. There are already reports of people disobeying the quarantine in Italy. Also, with people stuck at home, we are very likely to see a spike in problems like depression, domestic violence, and suicide. Surely there must be a way to strike a middle ground where we can identify and stop these threats without shutting everything down every time they come up?

Paladin1

eastnoireast wrote:

personally, i'm really looking forward to receiving my manditory injections of rushed and poorly-tested corporate vaccines.

Me too!

bekayne

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

 

Missing in the above is the number tested as the number of cases is a function of the number tested. So percentage of cases of the number tested gives a better idea of the outbreak than comparing cases by pop between countries with different depths of testing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_testing

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Doctor: As Coronavirus Cases Spike Worldwide, We Need Global Cooperation to Halt Spread

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DR. MICHELE BARRY: Yeah. Well, that is important. Climate change, deforestation and changing ecology is crucial for how we have animal and human ecology change. For instance, we saw the Zika outbreak happen several years ago in northeast Brazil. There’s been a lot of interesting discussion how deforestation may have played a role in that, and higher temperatures may have played a role in changing vectors, mosquito vectors in that role. Mosquitoes play no role in SARS, don’t worry. But it’s a very important question that I think, when this all quiets down — we’re sort of in the thick of this epidemic — I think we need to pay more attention to this concept of what I’m calling human and planetary health. We’re actually trying to build a new center for human and planetary health at Stanford. We’re working on a new postdoctoral fellowship for scientists to actually study this human ecology change.

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DR. MICHELE BARRY: Oh, Iran. Iran was the perfect storm of — and let’s talk a little bit about that also, but it was the perfect storm of religion and politics and public health. And this had to do with the fact — because it’s kind of an interesting — why would you think Iran — and I don’t know — I have a slide with the curves, if that could come up, of how fast that curve went up. And you might wonder why it is that Iran sort of exploded. Well, it had to do with the fact that they have a very holy shrine in the town of Qom. And what happened, according to my Iranian colleagues that I’ve been talking to, is that there was a group of 700 Chinese pilgrims that were there from the Hubei province. And part of how one gives homage to this shrine is by kissing it or licking it. So you can imagine how that was a very easy way to immediately disseminate it. My understanding from my Iranian colleagues also, it’s been very hard to actually even barricade this shrine off currently, even in the midst of this epidemic. And we’ve seen how religion has also played a role in South Korea. The earliest cluster was in a church, where you have large gatherings of people. And even in New York City — and please correct me, but I’ve been following your epidemic, as well — that there’s been a real problem in the early Orthodox Jewish population, where that outbreak in the Hasidic population has occurred.

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DR. MICHELE BARRY: Amy, this is not the only coronavirus we’re going to see. Unless we pay attention — I’m really going to come down hard on this — on this concept of one health, keeping an eye on the intersection of our animals, our environment and our human health, are we going to get ahead of the ball for epidemics. Because this is not the big one. I mean, we think we’re living in the big one. The big one is really a pandemic flu, which is airborne and not droplet-borne.

Aristotleded24

Manitoba is now under a State of Emergency, no new covid cases reported as of 11:30.

bekayne

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/norway/

Norway has tested at a higher rate than even South Korea.

Aristotleded24

bekayne wrote:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/norway/

Norway has tested at a higher rate than even South Korea.

And in spite of a mini-spike today, they look to have already flattened their curve, with their first reported case apparently happening relatively later than many other countries.

NDPP

Friday, 20th March, 2020, COVID-19 Updates: Dr John Campbell

https://youtu.be/He0TYPm3Prg

"Let's get serious. Test, test test. If we don't test we don't know who's got the virus. We need global testing to be ramped up. We are in a pandemic that can't be stopped, but it can be massively slowed down until we have a vaccine...I suspect we won't have a vaccine until a year from now..."

NDPP

Asleep At The Wheel: Why Didn't Western Politicians Act Quicker On COVID-19

https://t.co/GwgMdghOpU?amp=1

"The question we should all be asking: Why were flights from China and then Italy, not shut down as soon as they began mass quarantine?"

 

False Claims About The Coronavirus And How To Debunk Them

https://t.co/6oy8GFqz4F?amp=1

"Here are some of the false claims that are made about the pandemic and the facts needed to debunk this."

 

Toronto Drop-In Network

https://tdin.ca/announcement.php?id=2127

COVID-19 guidance and resources

 

NDPP

Trudeau's Disaster Capitalism Hard At Work...

Ottawa Prepares Multibillion Dollar Bailout of Oil and Gas Sector

https://twitter.com/Terrilltf/status/1240848750488281089

"We need a socialist revolution in Canada."

 

"Ffs. I wondered how long they would wait until the poor-me oil and gas sector would come with their hands out. Never a crisis too dire for them to rob the 99% hey?"

https://twitter.com/christibelcourt/status/1240850789012246528

FUCK the dying 'oil and gas sector'. Downsize it to minimal domestic use. Neither us or the planet can afford these expensive corporate fatcats anymore. Leave it in the ground. Shut this shit down!

Sean in Ottawa

NDPP wrote:

Asleep At The Wheel: Why Didn't Western Politicians Act Quicker On COVID-19

https://t.co/GwgMdghOpU?amp=1

"The question we should all be asking: Why were flights from China and then Italy, not shut down as soon as they began mass quarantine?"

 

False Claims About The Coronavirus And How To Debunk Them

https://t.co/6oy8GFqz4F?amp=1

"Here are some of the false claims that are made about the pandemic and the facts needed to debunk this."

 

Toronto Drop-In Network

https://tdin.ca/announcement.php?id=2127

COVID-19 guidance and resources

 

I think the reason is in part the desire to act moderately. Problem is the virus is moving too quickly. Each action the governments wait for it to be justified (not an over reaction) only to find that justification comes with it being already too late. The is where they should have been using a safety first principle risking an over reaction to get ahead of the virus. Very, very few governments have responded in this way.

Sean in Ottawa

NDPP wrote:

Friday, 20th March, 2020, COVID-19 Updates: Dr John Campbell

https://youtu.be/He0TYPm3Prg

"Let's get serious. Test, test test. If we don't test we don't know who's got the virus. We need global testing to be ramped up. We are in a pandemic that can't be stopped, but it can be massively slowed down until we have a vaccine...I suspect we won't have a vaccine until a year from now..."

The problem is the capacity to test is still being built - we are all short of swabs and reactive agents. This is a problem given the truth of the above quote.

Sean in Ottawa

Aristotleded24 wrote:

I'm sorry, but continuing the way things are now over the long term is not in any way realistic. People's lives have been upended, and they're not going to respond well to being told to stay home and not go out for months on end. There are already reports of people disobeying the quarantine in Italy. Also, with people stuck at home, we are very likely to see a spike in problems like depression, domestic violence, and suicide. Surely there must be a way to strike a middle ground where we can identify and stop these threats without shutting everything down every time they come up?

Unfortunately there is no middle ground -- despite the truth of much of what you are saying here. 

what we are doing now is not sustainable but nor is a return to the way things were before. Middle ground compromise would only prolong the agony and increase the deaths.

One thing we do not know is if this will have seasonal mutation. In other words can it infect next year despite an immune response to the present infection. This would be very bad news.

However, if not there is the possibility that with social distancing that we can have enough people imune and enough apart that the disease runs out of hosts. This is why they make estimates of 30-70% of populations getting infected.

I do not know what things will be devised to mitigate this. Some people will opt to stay home with some supports or with minimal trips out for supplies - if they witness people dying. Humans have a great capacity to survive once reality sets in.

The problems of depression, domestic violence and suicide are very real threats. I think this will be a very serious problem even if it has not emerged. Abandoning safety could even come from the mental distress -- that people may knowingly give up their safety because they cannot stand it.

I have been speaking about my other fear -- as this goes on the other untreated conditions will threaten more and more lives as healthcare is rationed.

 

NDPP

US Drugmaker Doubled Price of Potential Coronavirus Treatment Chloroquine As Outbreak Spread in China

https://twitter.com/davidsirota/status/1240752492406640640

"What stage of capitalism is this?"

Hopefully the final one.

Aristotleded24

Sean in Ottawa wrote:
Aristotleded24 wrote:

I'm sorry, but continuing the way things are now over the long term is not in any way realistic. People's lives have been upended, and they're not going to respond well to being told to stay home and not go out for months on end. There are already reports of people disobeying the quarantine in Italy. Also, with people stuck at home, we are very likely to see a spike in problems like depression, domestic violence, and suicide. Surely there must be a way to strike a middle ground where we can identify and stop these threats without shutting everything down every time they come up?

Unfortunately there is no middle ground -- despite the truth of much of what you are saying here. 

what we are doing now is not sustainable but nor is a return to the way things were before. Middle ground compromise would only prolong the agony and increase the deaths.

One thing we do not know is if this will have seasonal mutation. In other words can it infect next year despite an immune response to the present infection. This would be very bad news.

However, if not there is the possibility that with social distancing that we can have enough people imune and enough apart that the disease runs out of hosts. This is why they make estimates of 30-70% of populations getting infected.

I do not know what things will be devised to mitigate this. Some people will opt to stay home with some supports or with minimal trips out for supplies - if they witness people dying. Humans have a great capacity to survive once reality sets in.

The problems of depression, domestic violence and suicide are very real threats. I think this will be a very serious problem even if it has not emerged. Abandoning safety could even come from the mental distress -- that people may knowingly give up their safety because they cannot stand it.

I have been speaking about my other fear -- as this goes on the other untreated conditions will threaten more and more lives as healthcare is rationed.

What happens if what we're seeing in Italy triggers a more coercive response from the state, and then people continue to rebel, and this thing escalates?

Sean in Ottawa

Aristotleded24 wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:
Aristotleded24 wrote:

I'm sorry, but continuing the way things are now over the long term is not in any way realistic. People's lives have been upended, and they're not going to respond well to being told to stay home and not go out for months on end. There are already reports of people disobeying the quarantine in Italy. Also, with people stuck at home, we are very likely to see a spike in problems like depression, domestic violence, and suicide. Surely there must be a way to strike a middle ground where we can identify and stop these threats without shutting everything down every time they come up?

Unfortunately there is no middle ground -- despite the truth of much of what you are saying here. 

what we are doing now is not sustainable but nor is a return to the way things were before. Middle ground compromise would only prolong the agony and increase the deaths.

One thing we do not know is if this will have seasonal mutation. In other words can it infect next year despite an immune response to the present infection. This would be very bad news.

However, if not there is the possibility that with social distancing that we can have enough people imune and enough apart that the disease runs out of hosts. This is why they make estimates of 30-70% of populations getting infected.

I do not know what things will be devised to mitigate this. Some people will opt to stay home with some supports or with minimal trips out for supplies - if they witness people dying. Humans have a great capacity to survive once reality sets in.

The problems of depression, domestic violence and suicide are very real threats. I think this will be a very serious problem even if it has not emerged. Abandoning safety could even come from the mental distress -- that people may knowingly give up their safety because they cannot stand it.

I have been speaking about my other fear -- as this goes on the other untreated conditions will threaten more and more lives as healthcare is rationed.

What happens if what we're seeing in Italy triggers a more coercive response from the state, and then people continue to rebel, and this thing escalates?

Predicting social behaviour is difficult and this has never happened before. I could not guess.

NDPP

Facing Mask Shortage, US Doctors Told To Use Bandanas

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/03/20/viru-m20.html

"The improvisational and reactionary character of the nation's response to the pandemic permeates down to and through every measure they employ in addressing the health crisis. The outbreak is, for all practical purposes, out of their control..."

Aristotleded24

Light at the end of the tunnel in China?

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For several days in a row, China has reported no new locally transmitted infections. Authorities are loosening restrictions and trying to crank back up the stalled economy, urging factories and businesses to resume operation.

Some experts doubt the numbers officials have been reporting, noting inconsistencies in reports of what areas are deemed “low risk”. Others worry cases could spread again once normal life has resumed.

“It is likely that cases will rise once China eases its control measures. This means they will have to maintain vigilance for a surge of new cases and decide how to respond,” said Jennifer Nuzzo, an epidemiologist at Johns Hopkins University in the US.

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On Wednesday, the Chinese leader, Xi Jinping, ordered officials at all levels of the government and Communist party to move with “urgency” in restoring economic and social order. In low-risk areas, production and normal life “must be fully restored,” he said, according to state broadcaster CCTV.

On Thursday, Wuhan reported no new infections for the first time. Local authorities in the surrounding Hubei province, outside Wuhan, loosened travel restrictions, allowing residents deemed healthy to begin moving around. Companies are able to arrange for their workers to come back to Wuhan and most car checkpoints have been removed.

Meanwhile, the situation deterriorates in Italy:

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Authorities are calling in the army to Italy's hardest-hit region to help enforce orders that people stay at home, as the country registers its largest death toll in a single day since the start of the outbreak.

"Lombardy Gov. Attilio Fontana said the Rome government has agreed to deploy the army in his region to ensure compliance," NPR's Sylvia Poggioli reported. "Officials complain that there are simply too many people still on the streets with no justification."

Aristotleded24

Sean in Ottawa wrote:
One thing we do not know is if this will have seasonal mutation. In other words can it infect next year despite an immune response to the present infection. This would be very bad news.

Would that necessarily be the case? Viral mutations in many cases tend to be less lethal over time simply because it's not in the virus' best interest to kill its host if it wants to continue reproducing. It might change into something like the flu, which we've all learned to live with. With a few small exceptions, we don't shut things down during flu season. Even the H1N1 pandemic of 2009, which reached the highest level declared by the WHO, didn't cause nearly this much disruption. Neither did SARS, which incidentally is part of the same viral family as covid 19.

This gets into a philosophical situation. I get that in the moment, extreme measures need to be taken. Should they become the norm, especially if there might be a way to head off the infection so it doesn't become so bad, as happened with H1N1? If you don't get to do anything, or if your moves are very restricted, is it worth anything even if you are safe? Take the example of a store or a gas station. People often rob those places with weapons. If you mandated that anyone entering had to submit to a full strip and body cavity search, that would virtually guarantee that there were no store robberies at all. I think few, if any, of us would be willing to defend that level of intrusive security. I know that's an extreme example, but that gets to an important philosophical conversation that I feel is very important to discuss at some point, if not right now.

NorthReport

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Sean in Ottawa

Aristotleded24 wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:
One thing we do not know is if this will have seasonal mutation. In other words can it infect next year despite an immune response to the present infection. This would be very bad news.

Would that necessarily be the case? Viral mutations in many cases tend to be less lethal over time simply because it's not in the virus' best interest to kill its host if it wants to continue reproducing. It might change into something like the flu, which we've all learned to live with. With a few small exceptions, we don't shut things down during flu season. Even the H1N1 pandemic of 2009, which reached the highest level declared by the WHO, didn't cause nearly this much disruption. Neither did SARS, which incidentally is part of the same viral family as covid 19.

This gets into a philosophical situation. I get that in the moment, extreme measures need to be taken. Should they become the norm, especially if there might be a way to head off the infection so it doesn't become so bad, as happened with H1N1? If you don't get to do anything, or if your moves are very restricted, is it worth anything even if you are safe? Take the example of a store or a gas station. People often rob those places with weapons. If you mandated that anyone entering had to submit to a full strip and body cavity search, that would virtually guarantee that there were no store robberies at all. I think few, if any, of us would be willing to defend that level of intrusive security. I know that's an extreme example, but that gets to an important philosophical conversation that I feel is very important to discuss at some point, if not right now.

I understand your point. I do not know if anyone could answer your question. We do not know if it will come back and we do not know if it will come back mutated to get around immunity or if it does if it will be as lethal or less.

I also understand your second point -- although I think the answer is that we would adapt to have other ways of doing things. Like having toothpics to press elevator buttons or whatever. At the moment we have to take extreme measures until either the thing goes or we develop safe adaptations.

One of the most important ones is around testing. Once testing becomes quick easy and routine we may be able to secure spaces and quarantine only those with the virus until it cannot get at healthy hosts. 

How many months before we adapt or it goes away is unclear -- and how much damage it does as well.

This is why flattening the curve makes a difference as a delay all things being equal is not a prevention but if things change in terms of adaptation or if the virus ends then a delay could be preventative.

NDPP

UK Column, March 20, 2020

https://t.co/QNSkyvwHww?amp=1

"As the coronavirus hysterics ramp up in North America and Europe, governments in Asia are already getting back to normal. Why? All this and more..."

 

"Senior Chinese official persists in demanding full disclosure from Washington of the earliest US coronavirus cases, after CDC official admission that some were misdiagnosed as part of their 20,000 flu deaths..."

https://twitter.com/timand2037/status/1241154505187696643

 

Fighting COVID19 in Cuba, China and the US

https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/03/20/fighting-covid-19-in-cuba-china-...

"...The pandemic has provided, in effect, a laboratory-like demonstration of what is known: that people do better when states can plan ahead, apply national resources unequivocally to the public good, put science in the service of the people and practice international solidarity. These are characteristics of socialist societies. People do less well, as in the US, when their health and welfare are subjected to the greed of moneyed interests, and when science is sold to the highest bidder."

 

NDPP

Live Updates Coronavirus in Canada, 3/20/2020

https://twitter.com/globalnews/status/1241135720619786240

  • 500,000 Canadians apply for EI
  • WHO is launching trials to test possible new coronavirus therapies

 

 

NDPP

Work Camp in Alberta's Oil Field Issues Notice that Workers May Have  Been Exposed to COVID

https://twitter.com/smogelgem/status/1241102123388948480

"Private American work camp operator's advice to workers seemingly at odds with instructions from Canadian public health officials..."

NDPP

"Toronto has recorded its first positive COVID19 case among the homeless population. The window is rapidly closing for communities to prevent devastating outbreaks in our homeless shelters. Provincial and local authorities must act now."

https://twitter.com/timrichter/status/1241087793662550017

NDPP

'Apocalyptic Tsunami of Destruction' in Europe - Galloway

https://youtu.be/KubcM2W1cpI

"More than 3,400 people have died in Italy as a result of the COVID-19 coronavirus pandemic. Italy is mobilizing its mililtary. Spain, France and Germany have all reported a rise in cases..."

 

We Should All Be Re-Prioritizing Our Lives and Our Thinking Right Now

https://t.co/T9DcmoXYNx?amp=1

"Imagine if you looked out your window tomorrow morning and saw a mushroom cloud growing on the horizon..."

Sean in Ottawa

Interesting article here on the source but also the prognosis of this virus:

https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-not-human-made-in-lab.html

NDPP

COVID-19/Coronavirus: Epidemiology, Pathophysiology, Diagnostics

https://youtu.be/PWzbArPgo-o

"What is Corona virus? What is COVID-19?

 

COVID-19 Coronavirus: Treatment, Prognosis, Precautions

https://youtu.be/rdoN_XsHWBI

NDPP

COVID019 Update, Dr John Campbell, Saturday, 21st March, 2020

https://youtu.be/o2FkuQZTYO4

Overview of global Pandemic progress.

NDPP

Petition Update: Mayor Tory - Declare Homelessness An Emergency To Prevent More Death and Suffering

https://www.change.org/p/mayor-john-tory-mayor-tory-declare-homelessness...

Situation for homeless people even more dire amidst COVID-19. Toronto is the epicentre of the homeless energy in Canada. So it is no surprise that the first case of COVID-19 in the homeless population occurred in Toronto's second-class shelter-system known as the 24-hr respite centres.

Toronto's municipal govt has refused to acknowledge and act on this petition's plea to declare a state of emergency. Here is the picture today, and it is bringing tears to the eyes of many who are seeing it first hand...Now is the time for rescue. In a natural disaster people are rehoused. This is the time."

Paladin1

Imagine if China didn't work so hard the first few months to suppress information about this and down play it like it wasn't a big deal?

And imagine if the WHO, the "experts", seen through China's BS and took this hyper seriously from the start?

Imagine if Canada and the US reacted more agressively to contain this?

 

It's nice to see to see the government getting serious about this including arresting positive citizens for ignoring orders to remain inside. One year ago the suggestion of the government doing that would have made people scream and loose their minds. Police state. Now we're worried about food, toilet paper and paying rent.

Sean in Ottawa

Paladin1 wrote:

Imagine if China didn't work so hard the first few months to suppress information about this and down play it like it wasn't a big deal?

And imagine if the WHO, the "experts", seen through China's BS and took this hyper seriously from the start?

Imagine if Canada and the US reacted more agressively to contain this?

 

It's nice to see to see the government getting serious about this including arresting positive citizens for ignoring orders to remain inside. One year ago the suggestion of the government doing that would have made people scream and loose their minds. Police state. Now we're worried about food, toilet paper and paying rent.

Fines -- not arrests. For obvious reasons.

I see no benefit in going after China at this point. Other countries have not done much better and China is offering help in great quantities and China has already stated it made mistakes and is learning from them. It has even worked to undo the damage to the reputation of the doctor who died after being a whistleblower. I think each country can spend some time on its own learning and I imagine all will. I think in this case there is no criticism that could carry more weight than the experience China has gone through. Ther eis simply nothing to gain and a lot to lose by attacking China now. China is working with others sharing studies and informaiton constantly as well as material help.

I saw a Canadian government message about money saying our bank notes are safe. They is plastic. It cannot be. Do not assume other governments are telling the truth. Also, all governments may have reacted slowly in part not being aware what it was. China was the first to experience this. It would also have taken some time to know what they were dealing with and how serious. I would really prefer that the world spent more time on a solution than it is spending on blame. Lots of time to study this when it is history. I really doubt that there will be good marks to many governments. I suspect that many will be found to have done good things including China as well.

To Canada's credit, this country is increasing foreign aid even as we are hurting to help with the virus -- particularly to refugee camps. I do not know how much but I was heartened to learn that we were doing this despite economic difficulty. China is sendng out massive amounts of aid despite knowing they will face a second more even more rounds than that. 

Paladin1

China's helping people and that's great. Their shitty behavior when this started hurt the world. No point in "going after them" as you say but maybe in the future countries first reaction won't be to deny and hide and waste valuable time. There's some really great lessons to be learned here.

kropotkin1951

NDPP wrote:

Work Camp in Alberta's Oil Field Issues Notice that Workers May Have  Been Exposed to COVID

https://twitter.com/smogelgem/status/1241102123388948480

"Private American work camp operator's advice to workers seemingly at odds with instructions from Canadian public health officials..."

The question is whether or not those camps are now on lock down. The workforce is not in the high risk category so the real risk is letting these workers go home and infect communities like mine in the Comox Valley. Daily we have oil workers who commute back and forth on West Jet. My town has a newer section called Little Alberta because of the number of commuters.

 

NDPP

Coronavirus - On Western Government Failures and Possible Therapies

https://t.co/AaFnyIWiDi?emp=1

"The US intelligence services fear questioning for not raising enough warning about the novel coronavirus pandemic. To prevent any criticism they asked their favored stenographers to write an exculpating piece...China warned us early on. It was and is the 'west' which despite having been warned, is responding poorly to the virus."

 

Coronavirus: The Hammer and the Dance

https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-the-hammer-and-the-dance-be93...

"What the next 18 months can look like if leaders buy us time..."

 

Real Time Counter, World Map, News: COVID-19 Pandemic (and vid)

https://youtu.be/k7GIeVsnB_Y

NDPP

"The Amazing Dr Loubani: Palestinian-Canadian Dr Tarek Loubani is using his 3D printer to make MASKS for doctors fighting COVID19 in Canada. Thank you for your service during this difficult time."

https://twitter.com/CJPME/status/1241366487132188673

Luckily Apartheid Israel only wounded him instead of shooting him dead unlike the other clearly marked medic murdered helping wounded Palestinians next to him during the Gaza March of Return in 2018. Naturally CBC doesn't mention that.

NDPP

'US Wasted Precious Time China Has Bought'

https://on.rt.com/ad7v

"Beijing shreds Washington over 'racist' coronavirus rhetoric. 'It is a pity, as many US media and specialists have noted, that the US has wasted the precious time China has bought..."

Bacchus

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

Paladin1 wrote:

Imagine if China didn't work so hard the first few months to suppress information about this and down play it like it wasn't a big deal?

And imagine if the WHO, the "experts", seen through China's BS and took this hyper seriously from the start?

Imagine if Canada and the US reacted more agressively to contain this?

 

It's nice to see to see the government getting serious about this including arresting positive citizens for ignoring orders to remain inside. One year ago the suggestion of the government doing that would have made people scream and loose their minds. Police state. Now we're worried about food, toilet paper and paying rent.

Fines -- not arrests. For obvious reasons.

I see no benefit in going after China at this point. Other countries have not done much better and China is offering help in great quantities and China has already stated it made mistakes and is learning from them. It has even worked to undo the damage to the reputation of the doctor who died after being a whistleblower. I think each country can spend some time on its own learning and I imagine all will. I think in this case there is no criticism that could carry more weight than the experience China has gone through. Ther eis simply nothing to gain and a lot to lose by attacking China now. China is working with others sharing studies and informaiton constantly as well as material help.

I saw a Canadian government message about money saying our bank notes are safe. They is plastic. It cannot be. Do not assume other governments are telling the truth. Also, all governments may have reacted slowly in part not being aware what it was. China was the first to experience this. It would also have taken some time to know what they were dealing with and how serious. I would really prefer that the world spent more time on a solution than it is spending on blame. Lots of time to study this when it is history. I really doubt that there will be good marks to many governments. I suspect that many will be found to have done good things including China as well.

To Canada's credit, this country is increasing foreign aid even as we are hurting to help with the virus -- particularly to refugee camps. I do not know how much but I was heartened to learn that we were doing this despite economic difficulty. China is sendng out massive amounts of aid despite knowing they will face a second more even more rounds than that. 

 

No, arrests actually. In Quebec at least

NDPP

'For Unknown Reasons They Waited and Watched'

https://dissidentvoice.org/2020/03/for-unknown-reasons-they-waited-and-w...

"Lancet editor exposes devastating government failure on Coronavirus..."

 

Dr John Campbell, March 21, 2020

https://youtu.be/otl55TejBEE

"How to avoid environmental viruses." (Wash your hands!)

 

Lee Camp Sounds Off on US Coronavirus Epidemic

https://youtu.be/-rJdY_-Q3Qs

"Lee Camp and Brigida Santos discuss the latest numbers behind the coronavirus outbreak in the United States."

 

 

Paladin1

Bacchus wrote:

No, arrests actually. In Quebec at least

Yup. Lady tested positive for Covid19 and was told to stay inside but didn't care.

I've read in the NWT there's a $10,000 fine and possible jail time for similar behavior.

NDPP

COVID-19 Today: RT News - March 21, (1700msk and vid)

https://www.rt.com/shows/news/483663-rtnews-march-21-17msk

"Italy suffers its deadliest single day during the pandemic with more than 620 lives lost on Friday. In neighboring France, police officers threaten to quit unless they are provided with better equipment to protect themselves from the virus. Volkswagen becomes the latest car grant to halt production amid the COVID-19 outbreak on the health crisis puts ever more jobs at risk. US Senators are accused of insider trading after they sold off their stocks just before the recent crash..."

Apparently the new NAFTA which few here opposed or even noticed and which Freeland, Singh et al did their utmost to speedily pass recently, is looking dodgy in light of the economic mayhem which is Covid. Haven't seen that reported on CBC either...

kropotkin1951

Fascinating to watch all the "advanced" capitalist countries suddenly unable to provide basic medical product like surgical masks because they outsourced the production decades ago. Locally the small business owners are adapting so many of our craft gin makers have switched to making hand sanitizers.

I for one am glad that the Chinese people, through the actions of their government, have been so generous with shipping supplies to the hardest hit, unprepared countries in Europe.

Sean in Ottawa

kropotkin1951 wrote:

I for one am glad that the Chinese people, through the actions of their government, have been so generous with shipping supplies to the hardest hit, unprepared countries in Europe.

I think many others feel this way.

Italians have been shocked after appealing to the EU to get borders slammed in their faces and needed supplies banned from export to another EU country. The fact that China responded at least one report form Italy I saw was that they will remember who their friends really are.

Aristotleded24

Sean in Ottawa wrote:
kropotkin1951 wrote:

I for one am glad that the Chinese people, through the actions of their government, have been so generous with shipping supplies to the hardest hit, unprepared countries in Europe.

I think many others feel this way.

Italians have been shocked after appealing to the EU to get borders slammed in their faces and needed supplies banned from export to another EU country. The fact that China responded at least one report form Italy I saw was that they will remember who their friends really are.

You can still have large scale travel bans and border closures while making exceptions for things like medical equpiment and allowing medical personnel to move around between global hotspots.

Sean in Ottawa

Aristotleded24 wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:
kropotkin1951 wrote:

I for one am glad that the Chinese people, through the actions of their government, have been so generous with shipping supplies to the hardest hit, unprepared countries in Europe.

I think many others feel this way.

Italians have been shocked after appealing to the EU to get borders slammed in their faces and needed supplies banned from export to another EU country. The fact that China responded at least one report form Italy I saw was that they will remember who their friends really are.

You can still have large scale travel bans and border closures while making exceptions for things like medical equpiment and allowing medical personnel to move around between global hotspots.

Absolutely

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