Finally the Process to Impeach President Donald Trump begins

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josh

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'The Ukrainians Weren't Made Aware That The Assistance Was Being Delayed/Reviewed Until More Than One Month After The Call'

https://twitter.com/yashalevine/status/1176982433109069826

"How does that work, exactly? How can you pressure someone by witholding money if they don't know you're actually witholding that money?"

 

The Democrats Impeachment Attempt Against Trump is a Huge Mistake

https://t.co/uvTX03Dve2

Democrats need to push good policies not another political stunt. An utterly stupid move. This practically guarantees the reelection of Donald Trump.

Well that should make you happy.

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alan smithee alan smithee's picture

That's pretty damning. The tRump Administration all belong behind bars. Including Rudy Colludy.

Man, it's all right there for people to read. These right wingers are going to bend into a pretzel trying to sweep this under the rug.

tRump is done in 2020. Gauranteed.

And when that happens I hope the districts in New York will subpoena him. He is no longere Dictator, he's a private citizen. I think tRump,Miller,Guiliani and the rest of these corrupt Nazis will look great in orange.

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-from one of the more credible political analysts in the USA

If This Is Trump’s Best Case, The Ukraine Scandal Is Looking Really Bad For Him

 

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/if-this-is-trumps-best-case-the-ukraine-scandal-is-looking-really-bad-for-him/

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Maguire’s Whistleblower Testimony: Live Coverage

https://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/dni-whistleblower-testimony/

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Trump must have really, really pissed off this whistleblower.

Whistleblower alleges White House coverup

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/whistleblower-complaint-impeachment-inquiry/index.html

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WSJ Opinion: Impeachment is What Vladimir Putin Wants

https://twitter.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1177199898812456960

"Hahahaha US politics is as stupid as it gets...Dems claim Putin installed Trump; the GOP claims Putin wants him out. They're all infantile."

Send in the clowns...

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 - more RT talking points?

bekayne

When do the op-eds from Rush Limbaugh and Newt Gingrich get posted? 

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

Anyone who still supports this orangutan is a huge piece of shit. How can anyone like this nauseating blowhard?

An F list celebrity, failed businessman and serial sexual harrasser. How can anyone stomach this prick?

The memo (it's not actually the report) is damning as is. He's a criminal.

Thankfully he'll be a sickening memory after 2020 unless he resigns first.

josh

Rudy Giuliani told CNN he has “no knowledge of any of that crap” in the newly-released complaint from an American intelligence community whistleblower.

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Exactly!

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When do the op-eds from Rush Limbaugh and Newt Gingrich get posted? 

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Republicans are hanging their defense of Donald Trump on the thinnest of threads

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/26/politics/lindsey-graham-donald-trump-ukraine/index.html

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I don't support impeaching Trump. Instead, I support defeating him in the 202o Presidential election. Impeaching Trump before the 2020 election would make Mike Pence the President, and Pence would be much more likely to win the 2020 Presidential election.

Pence would also be far more likely to do things like attack Iran.

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Left Turn wrote:

I don't support impeaching Trump. Instead, I support defeating him in the 202o Presidential election. Impeaching Trump before the 2020 election would make Mike Pence the President, and Pence would be much more likely to win the 2020 Presidential election.

Pence would also be far more likely to do things like attack Iran.

Pence would never be elected President. Impeach the Orange Bastard I say!

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Trump’s Sense of Grievance Is Only Going to Grow

Victimhood is at the core of the president’s identity—and it’s likely to shape his approach to the coming impeachment battle.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/09/impeachment-trump-haters/598942/

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Trump’s Intelligence Chief Offers a Timely Reminder: Trump Is a Liar

Joseph Maguire undercuts Trump’s smear of the Ukraine scandal whistleblower.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/09/trumps-intelligence-chief-offers-a-timely-reminder-trump-is-a-liar/

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Trump and His Right-Wing Allies Are Losing Their Minds Over the Whistleblower Complaint

The president and other conservatives are going to wild lengths to try to tamp down the latest on the allegations.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/09/trump-and-his-right-wing-allies-are-losing-their-minds-over-the-whistleblower-complaint/

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Whistleblower Says Ukraine Scandal Goes Far Beyond Biden Dirt

The allegations against Trump and Giuliani are more extensive than previously known.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/09/whistleblower-trump-ukraine-russia-mueller-biden/

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Sickening, if true!

New York Times faces backlash after revealing details about whistleblower

National security experts and advocates for whistleblower protection condemn publication of identifying information

Fri 27 Sep 2019 04.48 BSTLast modified on Fri 27 Sep 2019 13.30 BST​

The New York Times’ executive editor defended the decision.

 

 The New York Times’ executive editor defended the decision. Photograph: Alastair Pike/AFP/Getty Images

The New York Times is facing criticism over its decision to publish revealing details about the whistleblower whose explosive complaint, which raised concerns about Donald Trump’s conversation with the Ukrainian president and the White House’s apparent attempts to cover it up, was made public on Thursday.

Readers, including those who work with or within the intelligence community, national security experts and advocates for whistleblower protection, expressed concern that the decision compromised the individual’s safety.

The newspaper reported the whistleblower’s employer as the CIA and details on their expertise, citing three unnamed people familiar with the individual’s identity. Since the article’s publication online on Thursday, the newspaper has added the context that the White House already knew where the whistleblower was employed.

Identifying information published in the paper “recklessly narrows that universe of suspected whistleblowers to a very few people,” said Jesselyn Radack, the director of national security and human rights at the Whistleblower and Source Protection Program. “This has a very chilling effect on anyone who is even thinking of blowing the whistle and thinking of doing so through the proper channels.”

White House tried to cover up Trump's Ukraine conversation, whistleblower alleges

 

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The individual is especially at risk given that Trump lashed out at those who informed the whistleblower, comparing them to spies, and alluded to retaliation. In audio obtained by the Los Angeles Times, Trump can be heard asking: “Who’s the person that gave the whistleblower the information? Because that’s close to a spy. You know what we used to do in the old days, when we were smart, right? The spies and treason? We used to handle it a little differently than we do now.”

Radack, who has represented national security and intelligence community employees – including Edward Snowden and John Kiriakou – who have been investigated and charged under the Espionage Act, said the New York Times had left the whistleblower particularly “vulnerable” because they “are up against the full force of the entire executive branch”.

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The whistleblower and former NSA agent Thomas Drake, another of Radack’s clients who leaked information about the agency’s data-gathering in 2006, echoed concerns that the newspaper had endangered the Trump whistleblower.

The New York Times’ executive editor, Dean Baquet, defended the publication’s decision. “The president and some of his supporters have attacked the credibility of the whistle-blower, who has presented information that has touched off a landmark impeachment proceeding,” Baquet said in a statement. “We wanted to provide information to readers that allows them to make their own judgments about whether or not he is credible.”

Danielle Brian, the executive director of the not-for-profit watchdog Project On Government Oversight, argued that the move was unnecessary because the whistleblower’s credibility “was already stabilized by the Inspector General and the Department of National Intelligence”, which recognized the complaint as urgent and credible. “We didn’t need the New York Times to tell us what agency this person came from,” Brian said.

Mark Zaid, an attorney representing the whistleblower, wrote on Twitter: “Publishing details about whistleblower will only lead to identification of someone, whether our client or wrong person, as whistleblower. This will place individual in much more dangerous situation, not only in their professional world but also their possible personal safety.”

The whistleblower’s legal team did not provide additional comment to the Guardian.

The New York Times did not immediately respond to the Guardian’s request for additional comment.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/sep/26/new-york-times-trump-ukraine-whistleblower-published

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Whistleblower painstakingly gathered material and almost single-handedly set impeachment in motion

What is in the declassified Trump whistleblower complaint

The Washington Post’s Devlin Barrett reports on the key takeaways from the declassified whistleblower complaint against President Trump. (JM Rieger/The Washington Post)

By Greg Miller

September 26 at 8:32 PM

The whistleblower’s identity remains obscured, the details of his work for the CIA cloaked in secrecy. But the document he delivered reveals almost as much about the investigative mission he carried out in stealth as it does about the alleged abuses of power by the president.

From the moment he learned about President Trump’s attempts to extract political dirt on former vice president Joe Biden from the newly elected leader of Ukraine on July 25, the CIA officer behind the whistleblower report moved swiftly behind the scenes to assemble material from at least a half-dozen highly placed — and equally dismayed — U.S. officials.

He wove their accounts with other painstakingly gathered material on everything from the intervention of Trump’s personal lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani in the U.S.-Ukraine relationship to alleged efforts by American diplomats sent to Kiev and attorneys in the Office of the White House Counsel to contain or suppress the accruing damage.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/whistleblower-painstakingly-gathered-material-and-almost-single-handedly-set-impeachment-in-motion/2019/09/26/bec9608c-e06e-11e9-be96-6adb81821e90_story.html

Paladin1

NDPP wrote:

Not really. It just seems like that to those who think Dems are good. Whereas I know both of these 'right wings' of the American eagle, as Chomsky describes the duopoly are bad to the bone. As are the corporate new sources you seem so fond of. I also know a little something about Ukraine and Biden from the time you and other 'progressive' gullibles here were cheering on the US coup/ regime change there aka 'The Revolution of Dignity.'

You and your ilk appear never to learn anything from your long  sorry 'progressive' progression from one fiasco to another, be it Ukraine, Assange, Syria, Brexit, Russiagate, Huawei and now 'Ukrainegate.'

You follow along behind the msm circus like the clown that follows the elephants with your shovel and broom, eagerly picking up each and every bit of shit as if it was true gold. It isn't. It's shit. And no matter how many times these media are proven liars, you their chump continue your fondness for their shit and lies, even after it's been proven to be so. Pathetic.

 

Well said.

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Paladin1 wrote:

NDPP wrote:

Not really. It just seems like that to those who think Dems are good. Whereas I know both of these 'right wings' of the American eagle, as Chomsky describes the duopoly are bad to the bone. As are the corporate new sources you seem so fond of. I also know a little something about Ukraine and Biden from the time you and other 'progressive' gullibles here were cheering on the US coup/ regime change there aka 'The Revolution of Dignity.'

You and your ilk appear never to learn anything from your long  sorry 'progressive' progression from one fiasco to another, be it Ukraine, Assange, Syria, Brexit, Russiagate, Huawei and now 'Ukrainegate.'

You follow along behind the msm circus like the clown that follows the elephants with your shovel and broom, eagerly picking up each and every bit of shit as if it was true gold. It isn't. It's shit. And no matter how many times these media are proven liars, you their chump continue your fondness for their shit and lies, even after it's been proven to be so. Pathetic.

 

Well said.

If you like totally content-free venting of spleen by a fanatic.

voice of the damned

Left Turn wrote:

I don't support impeaching Trump. Instead, I support defeating him in the 202o Presidential election. Impeaching Trump before the 2020 election would make Mike Pence the President, and Pence would be much more likely to win the 2020 Presidential election.

Pence would also be far more likely to do things like attack Iran.

I agree. And, paradoxically, while Trump is better than Pence as far as policy goes(ie. less likely to engage in military adventurism), he's also better for the Democrats because their supporters perceive him as being generally worse, IOW he rallies their base to the polls to get rid of him.

If Trump gets removed from office, I worry a lot of Democrats will become less enagaged, on the assumption that Pence isn't so bad, even though Pence would actually be worse.

voice of the damned

^ The best strategy for the Dems right now would be to keep some form of quasi-impeachment going until the election, maybe just always have a few investigations on the go, to make sure that Trump's misconduct stays in the news.

I'll also say that, no matter what happens, I also hope that Trump's engagement with North Korea is continued by any future replacement, that policy also being popular with the current centre-left government in the ROK.  

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Promising indeed.

The sooner the GOP cut the sucker....err president loose, the better for all concerned

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/3792866002

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Aristotleded24

Left Turn wrote:
I don't support impeaching Trump. Instead, I support defeating him in the 202o Presidential election. Impeaching Trump before the 2020 election would make Mike Pence the President, and Pence would be much more likely to win the 2020 Presidential election.

Pence would also be far more likely to do things like attack Iran.

Chris Hedges: The Problem With Impeachment:

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The Problem With Impeachment

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Impeaching Donald Trump would do nothing to halt the deep decay that has beset the American republic. It would not magically restore democratic institutions. It would not return us to the rule of law. It would not curb the predatory appetites of the big banks, the war industry and corporations. It would not get corporate money out of politics or end our system of legalized bribery. It would not halt the wholesale surveillance and monitoring of the public by the security services. It would not end the reigns of terror practiced by paramilitary police in impoverished neighborhoods or the mass incarceration of 2.3 million citizens. It would not impede ICE from hunting down the undocumented and ripping children from their arms to pen them in cages. It would not halt the extraction of fossil fuels and the looming ecocide. It would not give us a press freed from the corporate mandate to turn news into burlesque for profit. It would not end our endless and futile wars. It would not ameliorate the hatred between the nation’s warring tribes—indeed would only exacerbate these hatreds.

Impeachment is about cosmetics. It is about replacing the public face of empire with a political mandarin such as Joe Biden, himself steeped in corruption and obsequious service to the rich and corporate power, who will carry out the same suicidal policies with appropriate regal decorum. The ruling elites have had enough of Trump’s vulgarity, stupidity and staggering ineptitude. They turned on him not over an egregious impeachable offense—there have been numerous impeachable offenses including the use of the presidency for personal enrichment, inciting violence and racism, passing on classified intelligence to foreign officials, obstruction of justice and a pathological inability to tell the truth—but because he made the fatal mistake of trying to take down a fellow member of the ruling elite.

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Economic, social and political stagnation, coupled with a belief that our expectations for our lives and the lives of our children have been thwarted, breeds violence. Trump, fighting for his political life, will use rhetorical gasoline to set it alight. He will demonize his opponents as the embodiment of evil. He will seek to widen the divisions and antagonisms, especially around race. He will brand his political opponents as irredeemable enemies and traitors. He will demand omnipotence, the power of a dictator. Many of those for whom he is a cult leader will seek to give it to him. For when the magical aura of Trump’s power is attacked, those in the Trump cult feel attacked. He is an extension of them. Trump embodies the yearning by millions of Americans, especially those in the Christian right, for a cult leader.

The efforts by the Democratic Party and much of the press, including CNN and The New York Times, to remove Trump from office, as if our problems are embodied in him, will backfire. Our social, cultural, economic and political crisis created a demagogue like Trump. These forces will grow more virulent if Trump is impeached. The longer we fail to confront and name the corporate forces responsible for the misery of over half the U.S. population and our broken democracy, the more the disease of cultism will spread. It was the seizure of power by corporations that vomited up Trump. And it will be only by freeing ourselves from corporate rule, by rebuilding our democratic institutions, including the legislative bodies, the courts and the media, that we can roll back from the abyss.

The Progressive Case Against Impeachment:

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ut make no mistake, the populist wave that brought Trump to power is strong. It’s the reason he easily could be reelected. And it is toward these underlying forces and grievances that we must focus our attention.

Right-wing populism is on the rise globally because it provides an easy answer to the real,  justifiable anger about the neo-liberal world order. To put it simply, the right-wing answer is racism — “nationalism,” if you want to put the in vogue spin on it. Right-wing populists say, “Your life is terrible because of immigrants — the Central American or Muslim or African who is taking your job, ruining your community.” The nice thing for right-wing populists is that it’s easy to deliver on the promise of racism. As we’ve seen recently, hate crimes are up. Once off-limits ideas are mainstream. The white, working class has gotten a psychological dopamine hit from once again freely asserting their superiority over their black and brown brothers and sisters.

The only way to combat such ideology is with left-wing populism that addresses the real grievances without nativism and racism. This won’t be easy. With left-wing populism, it’s more difficult to deliver results because it requires delivering material benefits and not just psychological ones. Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) is the best model we have for what successful left-wing populism might look like — and obviously his agenda would be really hard to enact.

How Impeachment Would Unfold: Kyle Kulinski

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Paladin1

This is just one more episode in the USA Reality TV series that people will deny being addicted to watching.

 

iyraste1313

Left Turn wrote:

I don't support impeaching Trump. Instead, I support defeating him in the 202o Presidential election. Impeaching Trump before the 2020 election would make Mike Pence the President, and Pence would be much more likely to win the 2020 Presidential election.

 

Pence would also be far more likely to do things like attack Iran.

Chris Hedges: The Problem With Impeachment:

Thanks for this.....such voices from the left, need to be heard loud and clear...the fraudulent left promoting impeachment ad nauseum is very successfully destroying any credibility of the left...the US impeachment process in the US is totally without integrity, based on lies and manipulations...as I cringe to hear the NDP Canada leader supporting this?

As this whole system crashes down...hopefully something will emerge from the ashes based on equality and social justice and the planet, but dare say it labels itself left?

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Ukraine Seems To Be The First Nail in Trump's Political Coffin

https://youtu.be/huU3oqvVy5s

"Democratic party leaders are pushing for swift action to impeach Donald Trump saying he has 'betrayed his duty' as President and is 'no longer fit for office."

 

Conspiracy? What's the Reason Trump is After Joe Biden?

https://youtu.be/58uztPzFCJg

"A prominent critic of Donald Trump has offered an explosive investigation of the US president's now infamous 'Ukraine phone call' as the ongoing impeachment investigation picks up steam..."

 

The Jimmy Dore Show

https://youtu.be/N1BsWtp1d6w

"Trump/Biden-Ukraine corruption and impeachment. [What] media ignores..."

 

Hey Chumps. 'Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.' Looks you're still following the same pied pipers as last time and so off into the weeds you go again.  And the Dems have stepped onto another political rake.

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Remember Mueller’s words: ‘Trump is not exonerated’ 

Impeachment now a threat like no other Trump has faced

https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEIepIaqZRfU2lu5PnHaZl0YqGQgEKhAIACoHCAow6f-ICzDjj4gDMJTFnwY?hl=en-CA&gl=CA&ceid=CA%3Aen

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On The Motives Behind Whistleblowergate

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/09/on-the-motives-behind-whistleblowe...

"The recent impeachment inquiry against President Donald Trump is the second attempt by the CIA and the Democratic establishment to sabotage Trump's presidency..."

 

The Untold Story of the Trump-Ukraine 'Scandal': The Routine Corruption of US Foreign Policy

https://consortiumnews.com/2019/09/26/what-isnt-mentioned-about-the-trum...

"The impeachment offensive against Donald Trump is another symptom of a partisan disease that ignores an even greater malignancy, writes Joe Lauria. 'That's the biggest crime in this story that isn't being told. The illegal overthrow of a sovereign government..."

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