Finally the Process to Impeach President Donald Trump begins

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Mobo2000

Fair point!   I am speaking to my beliefs here, based on my worldview and my sense of "how things work".  There were no whistleblowers reporting on any of Obama's calls to foreign leaders in 2016 (at least any that were embraced by the MSM...), so there is no definitive proof.   But the commission of the Steele Dossier is the salient example the Republicans are and will continue to use.

Would you also agree that Josh's extraordinary statement above that  "No president has ever asked a foreign country to investigate one of his political opponents"   needs a citation?

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Mobo2000 wrote:

Fair point!   I am speaking to my beliefs here, based on my worldview and my sense of "how things work".  There were no whistleblowers reporting on any of Obama's calls to foreign leaders in 2016 (at least any that were embraced by the MSM...), so there is no definitive proof.   But the commission of the Steele Dossier is the salient example the Republicans are and will continue to use.

Would you also agree that Josh's extraordinary statement above that  "No president has ever asked a foreign country to investigate one of his political opponents"   needs a citation?

As far as the Steele dossier is concerned, it is nothing but "oppo-research" which Trump has made clear he would be happy to accept from any source. It was also originally commissioned by Republican opponents of Trump, and only passed over to Clinton's campaign after Trump had essentially won the nomination. Republicans will continue to use it, but it has no factual validity.

I think that Josh's statement is one that cannot be proven, however many citations he might provide. I would re-state his claim to be that there is no evidence I am aware of that any previous president did such a thing. (Also, if one had been proven to do this, it would have been a big problem for them.)

NorthReport

So far, not bloodly likely. But if the Democrats have concrete proof and they can convince the public of the proof, watch out.

If Republicans Ever Turn On Trump, It’ll Happen All At Once

 

It’ll feel inevitable, but only in hindsight.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/if-republicans-ever-turn-on-trump-itll-happen-all-at-once/

NDPP

Van Buren: A Weak Whistleblower, A Ridiculous Impeachment

https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2019/10/03/a-weak-whistleblower-a...

"...Here's where things stand. After three years of trying to stop Trump from assuming office, then recycling through ways to throw him out, this plops onto the field. If an impeachment vote comes, it will literally be with Trump having a few months left in his term. This is no longer about overturning 2016; it is about circumventing 2020, fear by the Democrats of what will happen if they let the deplorables vote again. Is the Dem slate that weak? They are acting as if they have nothing to lose by trying impeachment.

Pity Nancy Pelosi, who tried to hold back her colleagues. Now instead of answering the needs of constituents, Democrats will instead exploit their majority in the House to hold hearings that will likely lead to a show vote that would have embarrassed Stalin.

The last thing Joe Biden needed was more baggage. It'll take awhile for him to realize it, but he's done, doomed by kompromat never actually found. Impeachment will so dominate the media that no one will listen to whatever the other primary Dems have to say...Elizabeth Warren will emerge as nominee. Goodbye to all the minor Dems, see you in 2024, perhaps running against Mike Pence after Trump's second term. The case is weak..."

 

Margolis: Ukraine is a Tar Baby of Corruption

http://informationclearinghouse.info/52328.htm

A crime worthy of impeachment? Not really...It is hard to believe the Democratic Party leadership - the people who rigged the last primary against the popular Bernie Sanders - believe they can unseat Trump. The math is totally against them. One supposes their hope is to whip up political chaos against Trump right up to next year's election. That's a feeble strategy and may help rather than hurt him."

Another fat and greasy nothing-burger with no actual substance or political nourishment whatsoever but relentlessly hyped and mass-marketed in hopes of selling it anyway. Guaranteed to fail. What a stupid strategic choice the Dems have made here to go with 'Ukrainegate' instead of running hard and winning on urgent issues of real importance to Americans.

melovesproles

Pity Nancy Pelosi, who tried to hold back her colleagues. 

Hahaha. Yes principled leftwing Nancy Pelosi who has been trying to fend off calls for impeachment from centrists like AOC and Ilhan Omar.

This bizzare fantasy that if impeachment was off the table, the US media would be focusing on stories about how to implement Medicare for all is coming from some parallel dimension. Maybe Al Gore won there? Who cares if Trump actually gets impeached, it's another weapon to hammer the fascist who has priortized sticking kids in concentation camps, being Netanyahu's best bud, and criminializing homelessness. Yes, those would all be better reasons to impeach him but in what parallel dimension is Nancy Pelosi going to support that? And if this draws attention to what a weak candidate Joe Biden is, what is the problem? 

That it took something like this to make the Democrats impeach is sad but the idea that it's defensible for the executive to be able to tie foreign aid to the prosecution of their political opponents is laughable.  This is not complicated and polls are showing that the public is finding this principle easy to understand. 

josh

NDPP wrote:

Van Buren: A Weak Whistleblower, A Ridiculous Impeachment

https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2019/10/03/a-weak-whistleblower-a...

"...Here's where things stand. After three years of trying to stop Trump from assuming office, then recycling through ways to throw him out, this plops onto the field. If an impeachment vote comes, it will literally be with Trump having a few months left in his term. This is no longer about overturning 2016; it is about circumventing 2020, fear by the Democrats of what will happen if they let the deplorables vote again. Is the Dem slate that weak? They are acting as if they have nothing to lose by trying impeachment.

Pity Nancy Pelosi, who tried to hold back her colleagues. Now instead of answering the needs of constituents, Democrats will instead exploit their majority in the House to hold hearings that will likely lead to a show vote that would have embarrassed Stalin.

The last thing Joe Biden needed was more baggage. It'll take awhile for him to realize it, but he's done, doomed by kompromat never actually found. Impeachment will so dominate the media that no one will listen to whatever the other primary Dems have to say...Elizabeth Warren will emerge as nominee. Goodbye to all the minor Dems, see you in 2024, perhaps running against Mike Pence after Trump's second term. The case is weak..."

 

Margolis: Ukraine is a Tar Baby of Corruption

http://informationclearinghouse.info/52328.htm

A crime worthy of impeachment? Not really...It is hard to believe the Democratic Party leadership - the people who rigged the last primary against the popular Bernie Sanders - believe they can unseat Trump. The math is totally against them. One supposes their hope is to whip up political chaos against Trump right up to next year's election. That's a feeble strategy and may help rather than hurt him."

Another fat and greasy nothing-burger with no actual substance or political nourishment whatsoever but relentlessly hyped and mass-marketed in hopes of selling it anyway. Guaranteed to fail. What a stupid strategic choice the Dems have made here to go with 'Ukrainegate' instead of running hard and winning on urgent issues of real importance to Americans.

Interesting to see so many supposed leftists so desperate to keep Trump in power.

And, btw, “tar baby” is a racist expression.

NDPP

Tell Margolis here:

https://ericmargolis.com

PS...

"Just a thought for Democrats and media allies: have you considered that there might be better 'scandals' to center your opposition to Trump around than ones that draw attention to and require the defense of the corruption and failures of your party's neoliberal candidates?"

https://twitter.com/OlsenSigur/status/1179794737190129665

 

WATCH: "Twitter censors viral Biden meme showing Joe lied about 'never talking to his son about his overseas business deals.' Shows pic of Biden on a golf course with a Ukrainian Gas Exec! What do you think they were talking about? Grandchildren?

https://twitter.com/Ian56789/status/1179877311853801472

 

When Ukraine's Prosecutor Came After His Son's Sponsor Joe Biden Sprang Into Action

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/10/biden-timeline.html

"There are some serious questions around the Biden family involvement in the Ukraine that the media have not picked up on...."

 

Operation Destroy Trump & Biden

https://legalinsurrection.com/2019/09/branco-cartoon-quicksand-2/

NorthReport

Why Representative Max Rose Ended His Holdout on the Trump Impeachment Inquiry

 

https://www.newyorker.com/news/dispatch/why-representative-max-rose-ended-his-holdout-on-the-trump-impeachment-inquiry

bekayne
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The Troubling Reason Why Biden Is So Soft On China

https://nypost.com/2019/05/11/the-troubling-reason-why-biden-is-so-soft-...

"...Perhaps Biden's insouciant attitude toward the Chinese government has to do with the fact that his family does not consider them competitors but business partners. In 2013, then Vice President Joe Biden and his son Hunter Biden flew aboard Air Force Two to China. Less than two weeks later, Hunter Biden's firm inked a $1 billion private equity deal with a subsidiary of the Chinese government's Bank of China. This deal was later expanded to $1.5 billion. In short the Chinese government funded a business that it co-owned along with the son of a sitting vice president.

If it sounds shocking that a vice president would stage US-China policy as his son - who has scant experience in private equity - clinched a coveted billion-dollar deal with an arm of the Chinese govt, that's because it is..."

So what was that about  'emoluments'?

https://images.app.goo.gl/ujvpdnEjf3nc96Zo7

Given that China is the new Russia and (as here on Babble)  Sino-phrenia is all the rage in the free world now (right NR?) surely this does not bode well for our number one boy Biden? Or will Sloppy Joe be the new Crooked Hillary for 2020?

NorthReport

Trump is in trouble if whistleblower wasn't acting alone

 

https://www.freep.com/story/opinion/2019/10/03/trump-impeachment-ukraine/3846118002/

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Mike Pence, At Center Of Trump Ukraine Scheme, Scrambles For Cover 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LP5NeI5gWzs

josh

bekayne wrote:

NDPP wrote:

Operation Destroy Trump & Biden

https://legalinsurrection.com/2019/09/branco-cartoon-quicksand-2/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_A._Jacobson

I guess NDPP didn’t bother reading up on the guy.  

NDPP

You guessed right. Still a great cartoon. Prophetic...

NDPP

Not Just Ukraine: Trump Now Calls For China To Probe Bidens

https://www.apnews.com/c4fc388b22f549e0a67925cab8cd7e93

"President Donald Trump on Thursday publicly encouraged China to investigate Democratic political rival Joe Biden, snubbing his nose at an impeachment inquiry..."

How dare he. Dem thievery is an outrageous and impossible lie. Impeach asap!

(See #261*)

NorthReport

Trump ordered removal of ambassador over Biden probe; president calls for China to investigate Bidens

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-impeachment-inquiry-live-updates/2019/10/03/5f81ec5a-e55c-11e9-a6e8-8759c5c7f608_story.html

NorthReport

Trump lays a big bet by repeating act at heart of impeachment investigation

Analysis: His move could "normalize" his behavior to voters — or bolster the case that he is bent on abusing his power.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-lays-big-bet-repeating-act-heart-impeachment-investigation-n1062131

NorthReport

Trump reportedly discussed Biden and Warren in call with China's president – as it happened

  • Trump has made extraordinary requests to China and Ukraine to investigate Biden despite facing impeachment inquiry over similar discussions

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2019/oct/03/trump-news-today-live-impeachment-updates-ukraine-bernie-sanders-latest

NDPP

Dems Publish Trump Administration Officials' Texts in Ukrainegate Frenzy

https://on.rt.com/a2s8

 

The Heat: US Impeachment Inquiry (and vid)

https://america.cgtn.com/2019/10/03/the-heat-us-impeachment-inquiry

"A formal impeachment inquiry into President Donald Trump has begun here in Washington..."

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josh
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Who else has Donald Trump infected and do people realize that if Spence goes down with Trump Nancy Pelosi becomes President

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josh

josh wrote:

The Smoking Texts?

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/diplomats-text-messages-provide-powerful-evidence-impeachment-n1062346

Bill Taylor:  Are we now saying that security assistance and WH meeting are conditioned on investigations?

Gordon Sondland:  Call me.

 

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It now appears that the former ambassador to Ukraine was fired by Trump last May based on Giuliani's opinion that she was insufficiently enthusiastic about the plan to force a new investigation of the Bidens.

NorthReport

The Scandal Has Spiraled Out of Trump’s Control

When the week began, the president faced questions about Ukraine. Now the inquiry has gone global.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/10/global-scandal/599434/

NorthReport

Will the public ever get the full story?

I doubt it unless the whistleblower has a copy of it, as Trump would destroy it before it ever got released.

The Mystery of the Ukraine-Call Transcript

There are enough questions and inconsistencies to raise the prospect that the public version may not tell the whole story.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/10/do-we-actually-know-what-happened-zelensky-call/599359/

NorthReport

Ha!

Trump’s Impeachment Saga Stems From a Political Hit Job Gone Bad

 

The president's obsession with finding dirt on Biden goes back to Steve Bannon and Clinton Cash.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-02/trump-s-impeachment-saga-stems-from-a-political-hit-job-gone-bad

NorthReport

How many GOP politicians have bowed out of supporting Trump so far?

‘Wrong and appalling’: Mitt Romney rebukes Trump’s narrative on his calls for Ukraine, China to investigate Biden

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/04/romney-rebukes-trump-on-calls-for-china-ukraine-biden-probes.html

NorthReport

Ukraine texts show how Trump has warped the state department

Diplomatic messages make clear loyalty to Trump is far more important than official US policy or institution norms

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/04/ukraine-trump-texts-state-department

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I hope Biden does sue Fox News if they run those false ads this weekend

 

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A second whistleblower? This might pry a few more GOP’s lose from supporting Trump

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/10/04/us/politics/second-trump-whistleblower.amp.html

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So what’s with the Trump-Russian connection?

There is obviously something there but.....

 https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/10/russia-propaganda-trump-ukraine/

NDPP

Actually after almost 3 years of tail-chasing and false claims there is obviously nothing there.

'A Good Say to Pause and Cherish the Memory of Better Times'

https://twitter.com/AliAbunimah/status/1180173532396957696

"This is why Trump won."

 

"The Democrats have a great strategy for dealing with obvious sleaze and corruption by Bidens: pretend it's not real, smear anyone who raises it and then hope Donald Trump doesn't mention it at all in the general election. Bound to succeed."

https://twitter.com/AliAbunimah/status/1180415959531757570

NorthReport
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So who’s going to win this: Trump and Putin or the American people

NDPP

Don't assume everyone shares your paranoid propaganda delusions manufactured by the western msm and unquestioningly accepted by other know-nothings of the Canadian liberal/left. 'The whole thing is a bad joke!"

https://youtu.be/TtqWezfIhMY

My fondest hope is that both 'right wings' of the American duopoly tear themselves to tatters.

Sean in Ottawa

The personalization of the current regime is terrifying. If people think the problem is Trump they have missed what has been going on in the US in the last generation. He is a representation not an abberation

The problem is the Tea Party. If the Tea Party is let off the hook in an anti-Trump impeachment process the next president will be a slightly more competent Tea Party representative who will be there for the next 8 years.

This is becoming more likely -- that Trump will be impeached with support from the GOP and the GOP will put up another candidate. Perhaps one who is a little younger than the democrat who will make an issue about age and will rule for the next 8 years. This will be someone who 5 years ago would have appeared disgusting and repugnant but after Trump will look sane and reasonable.

Americans are only in the middle of the greatest electoral fraud they have ever experienced. The world has not seen the end of the MAGA screwing that it is taking that began years before Trump was born.

NorthReport

It seems more often than not the USA is run by thugs but there are degrees of difference

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/10/rudy-giuliani-has-a-record-of-being-very-opposed-to-anti-corruption-efforts/

kropotkin1951

NorthReport wrote:

So what’s with the Trump-Russian connection?

There is obviously something there but.....

 https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/10/russia-propaganda-trump-ukraine/

And to think at one time Mother Jones was a left wing publication.

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