Finally the Process to Impeach President Donald Trump begins

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Trump and GOP Melt Down Amid Ukraine Scandal, Impeachment: A Closer Look

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_42Kx36kDw

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Ron Johnson's nonsensical Ukraine answer is the GOP Trump defense in a nutshell

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/07/politics/ron-johnson-interview-chuck-todd/index.html

Sean in Ottawa

josh wrote:

NDPP wrote:

"If impeachment fails to remove the president (and it will fail) it will help Trump. If it succeeds (unlikely) it will install Mike Pence. What it won't do is get us single-payer healthcare for all, and other pro-human policies..."

https://twitter.com/AliAbunimah/status/1180822689344376833

But not impeaching Trump will?

I hope the Democrats have a real plan to pin Trump to the Tea Party and not take the fall by himslef. It is my greatest fear in US politics that when Trump goes he takes the fall alone becuase the GOP at the last moment dumps him and saves themselves. If the US had a more sophisticated political culture this would not be possible but I do not trust them to avoid this even if Pence goes.

NDPP

Pelosi Slow to Impeach Trump But Quick to Collaborate With Him (podcast MUST HEAR)

https://www.blackagendareport.com/pelosi-slow-impeach-trump-quick-collab...

"Shahid Buttar, a lifelong activist who is trying to unseat Democratic House leader Nancy Pelosi in her home district of San Francisco, says Pelosi 'has actively enabled' the Trump administration by submitting to congressional restrictions on social spending while 'supporting Trump's foreign policy and international violations of human rights.' Buttar is the former director of the Bill of Rights Defense Committee."

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Judge rejects Trump's 'repugnant' immunity claim in tax-return ruling

Judge rules Manhattan’s district attorney could subpoena eight years of Trump’s personal and corporate returns

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/07/trump-tax-returns-subpoena-new-york-federal-judge

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And the fissures widen!

Mitch McConnell criticizes Trump's Syria withdrawal in rare show of defiance – live

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2019/oct/07/trump-news-today-live-syria-kurds-whistleblower-impeachment-inquiry-latest-updates

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Colin Powell: The Republican Party Needs To 'Get a Grip' and Stand Up to Trump

https://time.com/5693929/colin-powell-republican-party-trump/

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NDPP wrote:

Pelosi Slow to Impeach Trump But Quick to Collaborate With Him (podcast MUST HEAR)

https://www.blackagendareport.com/pelosi-slow-impeach-trump-quick-collab...

"Shahid Buttar, a lifelong activist who is trying to unseat Democratic House leader Nancy Pelosi in her home district of San Francisco, says Pelosi 'has actively enabled' the Trump administration by submitting to congressional restrictions on social spending while 'supporting Trump's foreign policy and international violations of human rights.' Buttar is the former director of the Bill of Rights Defense Committee."

This is definitely thread drift, but Buttar is a great candidate, and he may actually have a shot at taking Pelosi out. You see, California has this crazy single primary sytem. So, if Buttar can finish second to Pelosi in the primary, then he gets a straight shot at her in the general in a district the voters of which are far more progressive than Pelosi.

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josh wrote:

The only news out of this is that Pelosi officially signed off.  There's already a judiciary committee impeachment investigation that's going at a snail's pace.  If Pelosi really wanted to advance impeachment, she would have created a special committte to investigate the charges and hold hearings.  There's less here than meets the eye.

I just want to respectfully disagree, Pelosi's green light is very important bescause it means she has lifted the shield she's been providing to members from Purple districts. I hope folks here understand that Impeachment is not removal. The President, if impeached, will be tried in the Senate, where a two thirds majority is required to convict.The President will have the right to counsel and the right to subpoena witnesses. If you think it's been a dumpster fire already hold on to your hats. 119 days til the Iowa Caucuses.   

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Grayzone: Trump Meddled in Ukraine, And He's Not Alone (and vid)

https://thegrayzone.com/2019/10/07/trump-meddled-in-ukraine-and-hes-not-...

"Did foreign governments interfere in the 2016 election and did they help influence Russiagate, and were they enlisted by Trump's political opponents? This is an issue that hasn't been discussed. Ukraine absolutely did interfere in the 2016 election, and its interference was possibly more consequential than anything Russia allegedly did..."

*See also #346*

NorthReport

Now we are getting somewhere!

New Poll Shows 20-Point Increase in Support for Impeachment Inquiry—Among Republicans

 

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/10/new-poll-20-point-increase-impeachment-inquiry-republicans.html

NorthReport

Trump Tax Return Ruling Could Open a Door to Indictment

A New York judge says the president can be subpoenaed, investigated and maybe even prosecuted while in office.

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-10-08/trump-tax-return-ruling-could-open-a-door-to-indictment?srnd=premium-canada

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The Kremlin’s War On American Democracy Only Got Bigger After 2016

The Senate Intelligence Committee said the campaign ramped up after 2016 and largely targeted African Americans.

 

https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/59nkj8/the-kremlins-war-on-american-democracy-only-got-bigger-after-2016

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Lindsey Graham invites Giuliani to testify before Senate Judiciary panel

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/08/lindsey-graham-invites-rudy-giuliani-testify-senate-038995

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Senate Intel's newest Russia report undermines pro-Trump conspiracy theories

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/08/intelligence-committee-russia-trump-report-040736

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‘An avoidable, unforced error’: Trump’s Ukraine trap starts worrying allies

People close to the president fear the impeachment inquiry will hurt his 2020 reelection prospects — and say his comparisons to Russia are falling short

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/08/trump-russia-ukraine-allies-028771

NorthReport

DOJ: If Watergate Happened Today, We’d Block Evidence From Congress

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/10/doj-blocks-watergate-impeachment-evidence-congress.html

NorthReport

Now here's a likely source that Trump is going to listen to.

(Wait, I think I hear NDPP footsteps running off to dig up dirt on Carter, eh!)

Jimmy Carter to Trump: Tell the truth 'for a change' and don't 'stonewall' Congress

 

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/08/politics/jimmy-carter-trump-white-house-impeachment-msnbc/index.html

josh

White House notifies House that Trump administration will not participate in impeachment probe, which it calls “illegitimate.”

https://apnews.com/8f2a9d08c0f448fcac3609e8d886eeca?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_medium=AP&utm_source=Twitter

Sean in Ottawa

Impeachment of Trump is not just a normal legal process.

The US does not have a very democratic political culture. About 1/3 of the people there are willing to have a dictatorship to preserve Trump. Many have expressed the idea that Trump is above the law and ANY legal process is just harassing him. 

A significant number say they would be willing to bear arms to protect him and that no democratic victory could be legitimate. This number could be as high as one in a hundred. Many in the US think that he is sent by their God. There could be an increase in violent events in sympathy of Trump far beyond anything we have seen.

Election fraud is a serious threat and so are illegimitate claims of fraud.

It is unclear if Trump will ever go willingly and unlikely that he would accept an electoral loss or a legal loss. He could step down for health reasons but given his legal perils he has reason to fight on.

Trump's behaviour could become even more erratic as he tries to deflect attention.

There are good reasons for people to be concerned.

 

NDPP

[Crooked] Hillary in 2020?

https://youtu.be/OxcLcb4L6nQ

"Civil rights attorney Robert Patillo and conservative commentator Julian Boykin join Scottie Nell Hughes to discuss the impeachment inquiry against President Trump and the potential candidacy of former First Lady and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in the 2020 Democratic presidential primary."

Hell yes...(see #366)

NorthReport

Trump’s all-out blockade threatens Democrats’ impeachment drive

The White House's blanket refusal to cooperate with Democrats' inquiry will test Speaker Nancy Pelosi and her caucus in the days ahead.

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/08/trump-democrats-impeachment-blockade-040900

NorthReport

Joe Biden Won’t Be the Last Target

Trump is abusing the power of investigation.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/10/trump-investigation-abuse/599617/

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‘Chaos is his best friend’: Investigative reporter explains how Trump is like ‘The Joker’

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/chaos-is-his-best-friend-investigative-reporter-explains-how-trump-is-like-the-joker/

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A PAC Backed by Giuliani Henchmen Spent Millions for Member Who Targeted Ukraine Ambassador

Pro-Trump group America First appears to have pushed the legal limits with a seven-figure ad campaign on behalf of Pete Sessions.

 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/america-first-action-backed-by-giuliani-henchmen-spent-big-for-pete-sessions-after-he-targeted-ukraine-diplo?ref=home

bekayne

NDPP wrote:

[Crooked] Hillary in 2020?

https://youtu.be/OxcLcb4L6nQ

"Civil rights attorney Robert Patillo and conservative commentator Julian Boykin join Scottie Nell Hughes to discuss the impeachment inquiry against President Trump and the potential candidacy of former First Lady and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in the 2020 Democratic presidential primary."

Hell yes...(see #366)

Quite the debate with two conservatives.

https://rollingout.com/2017/07/26/conservative-talk-radio-host-says-the-black-community-is-at-a-crossroad-part-1/

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It is all linked

Top Secret Russian Unit Seeks to Destabilize Europe, Security Officials Say

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/08/world/europe/unit-29155-russia-gru.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

NDPP

re: #383. You can tell it's a good one when Mr B shows up with his little bag of msm approved truth detection and handy dandy research tools. Like all cops however he's never there when you really need him like looking into  Proud Boys' Gavin Mcinnes invention Vice News [Now Disney Corp] when posted by Mr Mainstream or heaven forbid the Guardian, WaPo or NYT. We think we know why. He's 'progressive' through and through and they're grade A approved Canucklehead 'left'  - just like  Bekayne eh? Right.

'NYT Has A Scoop...I mean a Press Release From 'Western Intelligence Services'

https://twitter.com/AliAbunimah/status/1181637537892372482

"The New York Times has always been and always will be a laundry for US government propaganda..."

NDPP

Galloway: Is Trump On the Way Out?

https://youtu.be/IRZ1X22FT5A

"George Galloway dissects the truth surrounding Trump's impeachment...'I'll just tell you this: that Ukraine gave more money to the Clinton Foundation than any other country on Earth. That's including Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Qatar and all the other big state funders...Now maybe I'm missing something but to me the scandal in that story is that an occupant of the White House may have been involved in financial/political scandal with a foreign government..."

NDPP

What's Really At Stake With the 'Whistleblower' Coup with Ray McGovern

https://raymcgovern.com/2019/10/08/whats-really-at-stake-with-the-whistl...

"Are 'Ukrainegate' and impeachment a 'magnificent diversion' of attention from the imminent findings by Attorney General Barr and his investigators of FISA and other felonies by the most senior former officials of FBI, CIA and the Department of Justice itself...?"

Yep.

josh

NDPP wrote:

re: #383. You can tell it's a good one when Mr B shows up with his little bag of msm approved truth detection and handy dandy research tools. Like all cops however he's never there when you really need him like looking into  Proud Boys' Gavin Mcinnes invention Vice News [Now Disney Corp] when posted by Mr Mainstream or heaven forbid the Guardian, WaPo or NYT. We think we know why. He's 'progressive' through and through and they're grade A approved Canucklehead 'left'  - just like  Bekayne eh? Right.

'NYT Has A Scoop...I mean a Press Release From 'Western Intelligence Services'

https://twitter.com/AliAbunimah/status/1181637537892372482

"The New York Times has always been and always will be a laundry for US government propaganda..."

You sound deranged.

josh

NDPP wrote:

What's Really At Stake With the 'Whistleblower' Coup with Ray McGovern

https://raymcgovern.com/2019/10/08/whats-really-at-stake-with-the-whistl...

"Are 'Ukrainegate' and impeachment a 'magnificent diversion' of attention from the imminent findings by Attorney General Barr and his investigators of FISA and other felonies by the most senior former officials of FBI, CIA and the Department of Justice itself...?"

Yep.

Agree, the FBI and the CIA are forcing Trump to obstruct the House of Rrepresentatives, refuse to release his tax returns, intimidate witness, violate the Emoluments Clause of the Constitution, try to get foreign countries to dig up dirt on his political opponents, and generalyl abuse the power of the office.  It's amazing what they can do!

NDPP

"2016 should've forced Dems to become an actual working-class party. Russiagate and now Ukrainegate launders neoliberal 'Resistance' to that. Also worsens the New Cold War w/Russia & subjects Ukraine to more bloodshed as the national security state - aka MSNBC punditry surely wants."

https://twitter.com/aaronjmate/status/1181708201491873792

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The New Yorker's Partisan Attempt to Refute Its Claims of Partisan Disinformation on Biden & Ukraine

https://consortiumnews.com/2019/10/08/the-new-yorkers-partisan-attempt-t...

"A leading New Yorker writer omits crucial facts to run interference for Joe Biden against serious allegations of corruption in Ukraine, writes Joe Lauria...

'Can you imagine if the Trump administration finally succeeds in overthrowing the Venezuelan government and a couple of months later VP Mike Pence's son (who wasn't kicked out of the Navy for drug use) lands a spot on the board of a privatized Venezuelan national oil company? That is exactly what happened with Biden and his son Hunter in Ukraine.

And then imagine that the US-installed government of Juan Guaido begins an investigation into corruption at the oil company and wants to question Pence's son. So Pence flies to Caracas and tells Guaido he won't get a $1 billion US credit line until the prosecutor is fired. Six hours later the prosecutor begins cleaning out his desk and Pence later brags about it in an open forum at the Council on Foreign Relations.

That is exactly what Biden did in Ukraine..."

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Looks like this is going to the Supreme Court and won’t be resolved ahead of the election so Trump perhaps will get re-elected Oh well NDPP and Russia must be happy

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/10/heres-another-impeachable-offense-trumps-war-on-the-constitution/

josh

NDPP wrote:

The New Yorker's Partisan Attempt to Refute Its Claims of Partisan Disinformation on Biden & Ukraine

https://consortiumnews.com/2019/10/08/the-new-yorkers-partisan-attempt-t...

"A leading New Yorker writer omits crucial facts to run interference for Joe Biden against serious allegations of corruption in Ukraine, writes Joe Lauria...

'Can you imagine if the Trump administration finally succeeds in overthrowing the Venezuelan government and a couple of months later VP Mike Pence's son (who wasn't kicked out of the Navy for drug use) lands a spot on the board of a privatized Venezuelan national oil company? That is exactly what happened with Biden and his son Hunter in Ukraine.

And then imagine that the US-installed government of Juan Guaido begins an investigation into corruption at the oil company and wants to question Pence's son. So Pence flies to Caracas and tells Guaido he won't get a $1 billion US credit line until the prosecutor is fired. Six hours later the prosecutor begins cleaning out his desk and Pence later brags about it in an open forum at the Council on Foreign Relations.

That is exactly what Biden did in Ukraine..."

Just have to laugh at the way Lauria gives every benefit of the doubt to poor Trump an Guiliani, while giving the worst possible interpretation to anything involving Joe Biden.  While omitting that Biden sought to have the prosecutor fired for NOT prosecuting corruption. 

Though there was no clear quid-pro-quo, Trump hinted that he would release military aid to Ukraine in exchange for the investigations. If Trump did that it is the routine corrupt way the U.S. carries out foreign policy, as Biden openly admitted.  E

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Every move the DOJ or Trump’s personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, makes in investigating Russiagate or the Bidens’ corruption, including legitimately asking foreign governments for assistance, is now tainted as political because of Trump’s unwise intervention.

 He adds such phrases such as the "now discredited conspiracy theory of Trump’s collusion with Russia," which has was not discredited by Mueller.  Who found that there was not enough evidence to establish criminal conspiracy, as opposed to political collusion.  And,  "a trumped up impeachment scandal."  Unconscious pun I would imagine.  The common bond between the right and some on the left is a desire to keep Trump in power.  Understandable on the part of the right.  Far less clear with those who claim to be on the left.  Unless it's a reformulation of, "the worse, the better," from years past. 

NDPP

Ukrainegate & the US-Russia Proxy War (and vid)

https://youtu.be/S50VmdYquYg

Pushback with Aaron Mate and Max Blumenthal:

"Adam Schiff has never met a Washington war he didn't like, even supporting the Saudi war on Yemen. The arms industry has rewarded him handsomely. Just look at how much this previously unheard of Member of Congress from California gets from corporations of the arms industry...

The progressive movement has been unwittingly [captured,] domesticated and neutered by the national security state into this kind of anti-Trump 'Resistance' where anything that opportunistically hurts Trump is acceptable even if it advances a New Cold War, which no progressive should support. And so here we are again, freaking out about a suspension of $400 MILLION in military aid at a time when Ukraine is going through a historic shift, moving towards peace.

We should be talking about how all this affects Zelensky. It just shows our whole colonial relationship with Ukraine. The whole country has been turned into 'bullet-stoppers' by Washington. We should be looking at this from an anti-war point of view - arming neo-Nazis with US [AND CANADIAN] tax-payer dollars and how Ukraine is becoming a global center of White Nationalist activities. But that discussion is only taking place within some sections of alternative media that still maintain an anti-war view but not taking place on Democracy Now or The Intercept..."

And certainly not in the NYT, WaPo, the Guardian, CNN, MSNBC, CBC, the Globe etc, and certainly not in Canada's election campaign despite the serious, deep and extensive involvement/implications there.

 

The Jimmy Dore Show

https://youtu.be/RBLXZHTljTM

"Rachel Maddow blames Russia for Ukrainegate: 'Even though she's done it for 3 years straight, this is still jaw-dropping propaganda and CIA/DNC talking points."

 

kropotkin1951

I find it fascinating how many people will believe spy agencies about anything. Nobody needed to tell me about Trump since I watched about a third of an episode of the Apprentice and have read about his scams for decades. However that doesn't mean that his opponents in other parts of America's oligarchy are any better. The US has always been run as an oligarchy with a facade of democracy, what seems to be happening now is that the oligarchy's internal fights are spilling over into the facade.

NDPP

Danny Haiphong: Impeachment And the Long Road to a Democratic Party Defeat in 2020

https://www.blackagendareport.com/impeachment-and-long-road-democratic-p...

"...The suffering of the Ukrainian people is currently being used as a cynical ploy for the Democratic Party to regain political legitimacy in the age of austerity and endless war. Trump's foolish phone call has left him at the mercy of an intelligence apparatus that sees him as nothing more than a political inconvenience. Impeachment helps the Democratic Party catch a breath of temporary relief from such subjects as Medicare for All or climate catastrophe. Notice too that the narrative against Trump specifically condemns his decision to withhold military expenditures from Kiev in its mythical war against invading Russians.

Pelosi and the rest of the corporate Democrats have united to narrowly condemn Trump for pushing a foreign power to interfere in the US' so-called 'democratic' electoral process, making the impeachment process nothing more than a rehash of  Russiagate. Like Russiagate, impeachment is an intra-elite struggle that normalizes Obama, Biden and the rest of the Democratic Party's leadership in the destruction of Ukraine and the other maladies of imperial capitalism. It remains to be seen whether these impeachment proceedings against Trump will work in the Democratic Party's favor.

The impeachment effort against Trump does not address the present needs of the poor and working class, especially those of Black America. Mass incarceration, violent policing and the numerous forms of desperation and repression created by the twin evils of white supremacy and capitalism have been relegated to the margins. The hypocrisy of the Democratic Party shines bright for all to see, which gives Trump a potential boost in his bid for re-election. Revolutionaries and radicals should avoid getting sucked into the charade and focus on explaining to the masses how the power of people can only be realized by organizing around the needs of humanity, not the capitalist interests of Pelosi's Democratic Party or Trump's Republican Party."

NDPP

Impeachment Fight Escalates Political Civil War in Washington (podcast) * MUST HEAR*

https://sptnkne.ws/9ZxH

"On today's episode of Loud & Clear, Brian Becker [US ANSWER Coalition] is joined by Daniel Lazare. He is a journalist and author of 3 books - 'The Frozen Republic', 'The Velvet Coup' and 'America's Undeclared War'.

"I still don't see anything of substance there that remotely rises to the level of a 'high crime'..."

josh

Russian propaganda going all out to keep its stooge in power.

NDPP

Danny Haiphong, Brian Becker and Daniel Lazare are American like you.

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