French Presidential Election Results - Sun, May 6, 2012

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French Presidential Election Results - Sun, May 6, 2012

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Francois Hollande’s Socialists celebrate as French vote nears close

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/05/06/francois-hollande-french-electio...

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Wow!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/french-election-blog-2012/2012/may/06/fr...

 

7.46pm CEST:Writer Fiachra Gibbons, former Guardian arts correspondent, has sent me this dispatch from the Place de Bastille. 

Euphoric atmosphere at Bastille — hard to believe that François Hollande, the clubable once chubby Monsieur Flamby, could provoke quite so much fervour, but he has — and we don't even have the official, official results yet. The truth is the thousands of Parisians here have gathered as much to celebrate the demise and humiliation of Nicolas Sarkozy as the triumph of François Hollande.

People are smiling, laughing, being wonderfully joyful and polite — generally not behaving at all like Parisians ought to in public. It must have been like this after the liberation — when Parisians, who usually go to great lengths to ignore and be pointlessly rude to each other, also let their hair down for a few days. A Portuguese gardienne from my quarter who hasn't talked to me once in six years just hugged and kissed me on the mouth when she recognised me in the crowd. Immaculata voted for Le Pen in the first round but against Sarko today. "It is true there are too many foreigners and Muslims in France but his voice was driving me mad. He's a crazy person. And he was making the country as crazy as him. It could not go on. All he cared about was himself and his rich friends."

A shout of "Sarko en prison!" — roughly, "Lock up Sarko" — has been taken up by a part of the crowd, a reference to the multiple corruption and party funding investigations he will now face, from the Karachi scandal over the death of 11 French engineers in Pakistan over alleged unpaid kickbacks to Bettencourt brown envelopes and now allegations of millions from Gaddafi. An even more grisly chant of "Copé au pot eau!" ("Put Copé against the wall [and shoot him]) is also making an occasional appearance, aimed at the not very likable head of Sarko's UMP party — who if you can imagine such a thing, plays the Mr Nasty to Sarko's Mr Nice — and who was responsible for the ban on niqab. But the violence of the slogan seems completely at odds with the mood of the night and is being drowned out by the very drole, "Copé au burqa!" (Put Copé in a burqa!)

Lots of people I have talked to believe France is rid of Sarko forever, that there is no way back for him now. (There are, rather cruelly, not giving his marriage much of a chance of survival either.). They point to his frequent protests that he would withdraw forever from public life if he lost, which I think amounted to "Re-elect me or I will never play with you again".'But I don't think this will be the last we hear of him. Remember he has Transylvanian blood — and as far as I can seetonight, there's been no crucifixes or silver bullets.

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janfromthebruce

appears there's an election going on in Greece too, and those lefties are doing good there too!.

7.52pm CEST: My colleague Helena Smith has sent this update on the Greek election results.

Helena Smith

Latest exit poll showing New Democracy leading with between 19 to 20.5 of the vote, followed by the radical leftist party, Syriza, with as much as 17 % of the vote and socialist Pasok with between 13 to 14 % of the vote.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/french-election-blog-2012/2012/may/06/french-election-results-sarkozy-hollande

NorthReport

Why did Sarkozy lose the French presidential election?

http://www.english.rfi.fr/economy/20120506-why-did-sarkozy-lose-french-p...

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Sarkozy is speaking now - he is finished in French politics once and for all I believe. A true right-wing scumbag.

So now the bs in the msp will begin about how this will be the end of the world in France

janfromthebruce

NP, someone just said on twitter, that Hollande is not really left wing but right of our NDP and left our Liberal party. I have a hard time agreeing with that. What do you know of the level of progressiveness with Hollande.

NorthReport

We will see by his actions, not his promises. I do think though that he has some opposition to Merkel's austerity approach to European economics. It is always the same ole story. The rich rob the pantry and then when the social democrats take power there is no money left in the kitty. The first thing Hollande should do is level a massive tax on the one per centers, who with the help of folks like Sarkozy have robbed France blind.

Bärlüer

janfromthebruce wrote:

NP, someone just said on twitter, that Hollande is not really left wing but right of our NDP and left our Liberal party. I have a hard time agreeing with that. What do you know of the level of progressiveness with Hollande.

I'd say it occupies about the same ideological space as the NDP. So, yeah, not really left wing.

Bärlüer

janfromthebruce wrote:

appears there's an election going on in Greece too, and those lefties are doing good there too!.

7.52pm CEST: My colleague Helena Smith has sent this update on the Greek election results.

Helena Smith

Latest exit poll showing New Democracy leading with between 19 to 20.5 of the vote, followed by the radical leftist party, Syriza, with as much as 17 % of the vote and socialist Pasok with between 13 to 14 % of the vote.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/french-election-blog-2012/2012/may/06/french-election-results-sarkozy-hollande

I understand it is New Democracy that will have the prerogative to try forming a government...? So, not so good...

janfromthebruce

oh geez, well I thought Jack Layton was left-wing and progressive and moving in that direction.

NorthReport

Hollande will be speaking live streaming here in about 2 minutes supposedly.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17958367

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2008: 

While we are waiting for Mr Hollande to speak, a reminder of his pledges, which are to

  • Renegotiate the euro budget deal with Germany to focus on growth rather than austerity
  • Balance the budget through higher taxes on rich and big firms, rather than spending cuts
  • Hire 60,000 school workers
  • Lower the pension age from 62 to 60 for some workers
alan smithee alan smithee's picture

Congratulations M. Hollande and the people of France.

His victory speech was great..What I would give to hear the words 'progress' and 'equality' coming out of the mouths of my government.

But there's hope and now it's proven that Socialists CAN be elected in the 21st century...Bravo.

 

Ippurigakko

any one can put the links french elections on interactive map? live only?

NorthReport

Good ole CBC nonsense.

 

Who is Francois Hollande, France's next president?

From 'Marshmallow man' to the president of France, the remarkable trajectory of Francois Hollande

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/05/06/f-francois-hollande-profil...

NorthReport

It is quite pathetic to see the poor losers' comments coming from the right. And of course the msp will give these despicable comments widespread coverage. Reminds me of the days when Glen Clark was elected Premier in BC. 

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

alan smithee wrote:

Congratulations M. Hollande and the people of France.

His victory speech was great..What I would give to hear the words 'progress' and 'equality' coming out of the mouths of my government.

But there's hope and now it's proven that Socialists CAN be elected in the 21st century...Bravo.

 

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Typical right-wing comments.

 

http://www.euronews.com/newswires/1507232-analysts-view-socialist-hollan...

 

JEAN-EMMANUEL VERNAY, DEPUTY MANAGING DIRECTOR ATINVEST SECURITIES FRANCE

“Hollande’s score isn’t as high as polls were predicting. The key will be to see who gets a majority in the upcoming parliamentary elections. Hopefully, the right or the left will get an absolute majority, with no need for concessions to the parties from the extreme left or right. The focus will also be on the European front, to see how the new French government will deal with Angela Merkel and more importantly, Mario Draghi.

DEUTSCHE BANK ECONOMIST GILLES MOEC

“I think that the market reaction will be quite subdued. The news from Greece may, in the short term, be more important than from Paris.

“Everyone in Hollande’s entourage is very keen in calming down any concerns with Germany and this is very important because this is what is at stake in the next few days. I’m fairly confident that France and Germany can maintain a very strong common approach to European affairs.

“The issues for France are more in the medium term. There was nothing in Hollande’s platform about structural reforms, competitiveness and these are issues that will have to be addressed in the next two or three years.”

“The immediate concern is about Germany and how to deal with the euro crisis, especially if Greece becomes a problem again. Hollande has moved sufficiently in the last few weeks on his ideas about renegotiating the fiscal pact to make it perfectly workable.”

 

Wilf Day

NorthReport wrote:

Francois' speech in full, in French.

http://mobile.lemonde.fr/election-presidentielle-2012/article/2012/05/06...

The BBC commentators all said it was very dramatic, not what they had expected at all from Hollande.

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 "Even today, responsible for the future of our country, I realize also that Europe is looking to us, and when the result was declared, I am sure that in many European countries, there was relief, hope, the idea that at last austerity could no longer be inevitable. My mission is now to give Europe a dimension of growth, employment, prosperity, future. . . . May 6 must be a milestone for our country, a new departure for Europe, a new hope for the world.

No child of the Republic will be left out or discriminated against.

Today, I ask to be judged on two major commitments: Justice and Youth. Each of my choices will be based solely on these criteria: is it fair and is it really for youth? And when, after my term, I look in my turn at what I have done for my country, I will ask myself these questions alone: ​​have I advanced the cause of equality? And have I allowed the new generation to take its rightful place within the Republic?

 

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France is removing troops from Afghanistan this year - are you listening Canada?

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-05-06/hollande-signals-return-of-f...

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‘Mammoth’ tasks ahead for Socialists after victory in French election: European press

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/05/06/french-election-results-2012-fra...

Ken Burch

The crucial question is...will people be referring to the European power structure, as "Merlande"?

That is the nightmare that needs to be avoided.

May Le Front Gauche win as many seats as possible in the Assembly elections.

Ken Burch

You're absolutely right.  We have to end all vestiges of "supply-side", or else they will end us.

NDPP

France's Foreign Policy After Sarkozy  - by Issa el Ayabi

http://www.voltairenet.org/France-s-foreign-policy-after

"During Nicholas Sarkozy's five year tenure, France has lost the prestige she enjoyed in Africa and the Middle East. That is why all those who love that country are wondering whether the change heralded by Francois Hollande will also apply to foreign policy? In the editorial below, the Syrian daily Al-Watan takes a positive view.."

abnormal

Meanwhile, [url=http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/278412e6-9538-11e1-8faf-00144feab49a.html?ftca... at the ranch[/url]:

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Wealthy French people are looking to London as a refuge from fresh taxes on high earners pledged by candidates in the country's presidential elections.

The "soak the rich" rhetoric that has punctuated the presidential campaign has prompted a sharp rise in the numbers weighing a move across the Channel, according to London-based wealth managers, lawyers and property agents specialising in French clients.

 

 

 

Sarann

Perhaps they are all looking around and noting how well the social democracies are doing. 

I wouldn't be too concerned about the rich moving across the channel.  Cameron's austerity budget is causing a double dip recession there.  Taxing the rich can't be too far behind.

NorthReport

The alternative to Merkel's austerity is tax the rich so let's get on with it.  It has been the reduction in corporate and personal income taxes which have bankrupct countries and Canada is on that shit list as well. With all the oil revenues we have we should be swimming in moola. Enough is enough, and thank goodness at least France is putting the brakes on this insanity.

Europe in turmoil as France and Greece reject austerity

 

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/05/06/f-vp-murray-europe-austeri...

NorthReport

Well that didn't take long. Now let's get on with taxing the rich which would have prevented this mess from happening in the first place. 

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/international-news/eur...

The day after Francois Hollande rode to power in France on a slogan of “change now” the conversation in Europe is already different: Austerity has become a dirty word.

NDPP

alas not in Canada - nor in Ontario with our Lib-NDP 'screw-the-poor' budget

 

The French Chose a New 'President': Will the Eurocrats Let Him Do Anything? - by Diana Johnstone

http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/05/07/the-french-chose-a-new-president-...

"Will Hollande tell the French that they must continue to sacrifice for the banks? Will this push France into revolution, following its old tradition? Or into 'fascism'?"

NorthReport

OGG, the sky is falling, the sky is falling - what a ridiculous analogy.

Imagine if everyone thought the same as Coyne would prefer us to do.

I didn't realize the defenders of the capitalist system were so lacking in good arguments to defend their baby. Tongue out

 

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/05/07/andrew-coyne-frances-vote...

NorthReport

Oh my gosh, the sky is falling, the sky is falling - what a ridiculous analogy.

Imagine if everyone thought the same way as Coyne would prefer us to do.

I didn't realize the defenders of the capitalist system were so lacking in good arguments to defend their baby. Tongue out

It's not rocket science Andrew, it's quite simple actually - we just want to, for once, tax the rich!

 

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/05/07/andrew-coyne-frances-vote...

NorthReport

Looks like Europe might be having a big problem and that problem is Germany, or at least the right-wing Merkel Germany!

quizzical

from the news tonite its seems to me Germany is tryin to control ALL of Europe.

Ippurigakko

So Mulcair's dual citizenship in France. I wonder If he and his wife did vote for Franc,ois Hollande (PS) ?

Fidel

NorthReport wrote:

The alternative to Merkel's austerity is tax the rich so let's get on with it.

Yes the neoliberals tell us there is no alternative. And there are many alternatives. We wouldn't even have to raise taxes in one possible scenario already proven to work here in Canada from 1938 to 1974. Perpetrating TINA fraud only works if an entire country like Canada suffers mass amnesia.

NDPP

From One Frenchman To Another: Mulcair Congratulates France's President-Elect on Victory

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/canada/from-one-frenchman-to-another-mu...

If it was the Sun they might have said 'From One Socialist to Another'. In truth of course they'd be wrong in both cases - no matter what the party constitutions still say..

KenS

That story and headline comes from the Canadian Press, but it could just as well have come from the Sun.

Because that's the frame that the Cons will be sticking Mulcair with: divided loyalties. Really only out for Quebec. Etc.

Much more valuable for attacks than the labeling as a socialist.

NorthReport

Never mind all this negativity.

 

Duncan has an excellent and uplifting article about the French election results on rabble.ca

KenS
Bärlüer

Ippurigakko wrote:

So Mulcair's dual citizenship in France. I wonder If he and his wife did vote for Franc,ois Hollande (PS) ?

I doubt Mulcair voted for Sarkozy (if he did vote), but his wife did run for the UMP...

Wilf Day

Bärlüer wrote:

Ippurigakko wrote:

So Mulcair's dual citizenship in France. I wonder If he and his wife did vote for Franc,ois Hollande (PS) ?

I doubt Mulcair voted for Sarkozy (if he did vote), but his wife did run for the UMP...

It took me quite a while to find the record of that, because she ran under the surname Mulcair, not Pinhas. Odd.

KenS

It is probably the name on her passport, and all official French documentation.

I dont know why that would be, but wading through French bureaucracy is fucking nuts. In France there are workarounds everyone knows about. But they dont seem to exist for the insitutions here.

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

In Quebec women keep their maiden name..It's probably the same in France.

KenS

Which does not say beans about what people do to wade through French bureacracy. Mulcair getting his French citizenship, and then a passport, and the 50 documents in between, was no stroll in the park. He, his wife, and his assistant at the time would have spent many numbing hours navigating the process. And maybe the different names was another wrinkle they didnt want to deal with.

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