Gaza Flotilla Stormed by Israel, Part 5

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Gaza Flotilla Stormed by Israel, Part 5

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N.Beltov N.Beltov's picture

Iran's equivalent of the Red Cross, the Red Crescent, will be sending two aid ships to Gaza.

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According to Al Jazeera, the plan was approved by Iran's foreign ministry Sunday. Iran will send one boat filled with aid and the other carrying relief workers to the coastal strip, Abdolrouf Adibzadeh, the Red Crescent's director for international affairs, said.

"Volunteers who want to go to Gaza and help the oppressed people of occupied Palestine can refer to the Red Crescent website and register," Adibzadeh said.

Previous attempts by the Iranian Red Crescent to reach Gaza have been stopped by the Israeli navy, but the latest attempt comes amid reports that Iran's elite Revolutionary Guards have expressed its readiness to escort aid flotillas to Gaza.

"Iran's navy forces are ready to escort the peace flotilla to Gaza with all their powers and capabilities," Ali Shirazi, Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei's representative inside the Revolutionary Guards, was quoted by Iran's semi-official Mehr news agency.

Red Crescent to send Gaza Ships

 

NDPP

Kidnapped by Israel, Forsaken By Britain [Additions for Kevin Neish and Canadians similarly treated by their country]

http://blogs.aljazeera.net/middle-east/2010/06/06/kidnapped-israel-forsa...

"...the British [Canadian]consulate did not come and see me. I did not see a lawyer...The reason I believe I was released was because the Turkish prisoners refused to leave until and unless the other nationalities (those [like Canada] whose consulates had not come and released them) were set free.

I was taken to Ben Gurion airport. When I asked for my passport, the Israeli official presented me with a piece of paper and said 'congratulations, this is your new passport.' I replied 'you have my passport.' The Israeli official's response: 'sue me'. There I was asked again to sign a deportation order. Again I refused. I was put aboard a plane headed to Istanbul.

Masked Israeli soldiers and commandos took me from international waters. Uniformed Israeli officials locked me behind bars. The [Canadian]British government did not lift a finger to help me, till this day I have not seen or heard from a British [or Canadian] official.

The Israeli government stole my passport. The Israeli government stole my laptop, two cameras, 3 phones, $1500 and all my possessions...

My government, the [Canadian] government, has not even acknowledged my existence. I was kidnapped by Israel. I was forsaken by my country."

Agent 204 Agent 204's picture

What are the odds that passport ends up getting used in a Mossad assassination mission somewhere?

kropotkin1951

I think this blockade may be turning into a Cuban Missile Crisis proportion standoff. If the Turkish and Iranian navies escort a Red Crescent aid flotilla this becomes a far more dangerous scenario.

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Iran’s Revolutionary Guard members are at call to escort further Gaza-bound aid ships, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei was quoted as of saying by Reuters.

"The naval wing of the Revolutionary Guard is ready to assist the peace flotilla to Gaza with all its effort and capabilities," Khamenei's Revolutionary Guard spokesman Ali Shirazi stated.

"If the Supreme Leader issues an order for this, then the Revolutionary Guard naval forces will do their best to secure the ships," Shirazi said. "It is Iran's duty to defend the innocent people of Gaza."

 

 

This follows the recent incident in which Israel's navy boarded the humanitarian aid ship “Rachel Corrie”, sailing under an Irish flag, and towed it to the port city of Ashdod.

Turkey has called on Israel to accept an international probe into last week’s deadly raid on the aid ship, carrying pro-Palestinian activists on board. Nine people, all Turkish citizens, were killed during the Israeli attack on the ship.

In the light of recent developments, Ankara is threatening to reconsider its ties with Israel. Analysts say the alliance between the two countries has hit an all-time low and is unlikely ever to recover.

 

http://rt.com/Top_News/2010-06-07/iran-escort-gaza-aid.html

 

N.Beltov N.Beltov's picture

Agent 204 wrote:

What are the odds that passport ends up getting used in a Mossad assassination mission somewhere?

If the victims of Israeli passport robbery apply and get another passport, couldn't they sue the GoC for identity theft if it turns out that the GoC has allowed both passports to be accepted? Then again, the GoC could claim the victims aren't who they say they are, and then the whole thing would develop in Kafka-esque proportions.

This sort of thing is already happening in Israel proper. Palestinian protestors inside Israel have been reported on by Israeli media in circumstances in which the media was prohibited from identifying the reasons for the protests. "They're protesting, God knows why." Things escalated - perhaps the Israelis killed a few unarmed protestors, I forget - and the protests could not be ignored. This is the new Israel. Friggin' nuts. A lunatic regime, according to Norman Finklestein. A Kafkaesque nightmare. A festering boil, according to the Turkish PM Erdogan.

Maybe such assassins could apply for refugee status in Canada. AFter all, they probably have plenty of evidence to substantiate the claim that the regime they work for is a threat to (themselves and) anyone.

N.Beltov N.Beltov's picture
Frustrated Mess Frustrated Mess's picture

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I also helped to physically separate one commando from his assault rifle, which another brother apparently threw into the sea. I and hundreds of others know the truth that makes a mockery of the brave and moral Israeli military. We had in our full possession, three completely disarmed and helpless commandos. These boys were at our mercy, they were out of reach of their fellow murderers, inside the ship and surrounded by 100 or more men. I looked into the eyes of all three of these boys and I can tell you they had the fear of God in them. They looked at us as if we were them, and I have no doubt they did not believe there was any way they would survive that day. They looked like frightened children in the face of an abusive father.

But they did not face an enemy as ruthless as they. Instead the woman provided basic first aid, and ultimately they were released, battered and bruised for sure, but alive. Able to live another day. Able to feel the sun over head and the embrace of loved ones. Unlike those they murdered. Despite mourning the loss of our brothers, feeling rage towards these boys, we let them go. The Israeli prostitutes of propaganda can spew all of their disgusting bile all they wish, the commandos are the murders, we are the defenders, and yet we fought. We fought not just for our lives, not just for our cargo, not just for the people of Palestine, we fought in the name of justice and humanity. We were right to do so, in every way.

“All I saw in Israel was cowards with guns.”

NDPP

N.Beltov wrote:

This is the new Israel. Friggin' nuts. A lunatic regime, according to Norman Finklestein. A Kafkaesque nightmare. A festering boil, according to the Turkish PM Erdogan.

 

NDPP

Gilad Atzmon would tend to agree with Erdogan and Finkelstein on the nightmarish possibilities of the Zionist regime:

Jewish Ideology and World Peace

http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/jewish-ideology-and-world-peace-by-gilad...

"Enough is enough, it is time to name and shame every Israeli and Zionist infiltrator within political circles, media and academia. The Israeli State is beyond the law..I guess that with Israeli nuclear submarines stationed in the Gulf and last week's slaughter on the high seas the nations do not need any more warnings...All that is left is for world leaders to meet  among themselves and decide together how to dismantle this morbid collective without turning our planet into dust..."

 

 

Hoodeet

Question:

How many others of the detained & deported have had their passports stolen?

NDPP

Good question - obviously the domestic media is not beating a path to the doors of the Canadian flotilla participants to ask ...

Castro has touched upon it and other things:

The Empire of Lies - by Fidel Castro

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=19595

Cytizen H

I find the article posted in No Difference's post (#7) horribly offensive. It is inflammatory, hateful, and bigotted and I am surprised that anyone thought this was something reasonable to post. I understand fully anger towards Israel. It is, of course, fully justified. But I am surprised by the level of hatred I have seen displayed by several posters on Babble. I fully support the fight for Gaza and for the removal of Israeli settlers from occupied Palestine. I fully support holding those accountable who have committed inhuman attrocities against the Gazan people and the Palestinians. I support boycotts, divestments, sactions. But I am offended by some of the hate that I have seen towards Israeli people and now, undeniably, against anyone of the Jewish faith. I really hope that I have completely misunderstood ND's intentions in posting this article.

Unionist

Yeah NDPP, I and others have mentioned a number of times that Atzmon is a Jew-hater whose ravings have no place on a progressive board. By citing him here, you merely add fuel to the Zionist blood libel that criticizing Israel means attacking Jews.

 

NDPP

Hi Cytizen,

I have no problem at all with your reaction to the posting. I did think it was reasonable to post it, because the writer knows of what he speaks and because his opinions, whether agreed with or not, are honestly held and an aspect of the totality of the pathology with which we are dealing. That Gilad Atzmon isn't for everybody I quite understand. Neither is Layla Anwar. Both are still worth knowing about nonetheless I think...

If there's particular points or questions you should definitely put these to him as he'll probably appreciate it and you actually reading him...and very possibly respond..

http://www.gilad.co.uk/contact/

So how'd you like the Castro ?  Cool

 

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

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Iran's Revolutionary Guard members are at call to escort further Gaza-bound aid ships, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei was quoted as of saying by Reuters.

"The naval wing of the Revolutionary Guard is ready to assist the peace flotilla to Gaza with all its effort and capabilities," Khamenei's Revolutionary Guard spokesman Ali Shirazi stated.

"If the Supreme Leader issues an order for this, then the Revolutionary Guard naval forces will do their best to secure the ships," Shirazi said. "It is Iran's duty to defend the innocent people of Gaza."

 

That will go badly for the Free Gaza movement. Western opinion could start swinging back into Israel's favor...

Iran needs to just stay the fuck away and stick to crushing, quit successfully I might add, its own dissidents.

 

Cytizen H

NoDifferencePartyPooper wrote:

...the writer knows of what he speaks and because his opinions, whether agreed with or not, are honestly held and an aspect of the totality of the pathology with which we are dealing.

 

I didn't think you'd go even further. You are now saying that the flagrantly anti-semitic article you posted was not offensive because the person who wrote it believes his hateful language fully? And you write that he is correct in this? This is open and flagrant hate. If this kind of thing were posted about any other religion, race, social group, it would absolutely not be tolerated. I cannot believe that only one other babbler has felt that this is inappropriate. I know I am new here, and likely won't be missed, but if no action is taken here I will assume that, as a Jew, I am not welcome here and will take my leave.

Unionist

Hey Cytizen - chill! Anti-semitism is not now and never has been tolerated on babble. If you think it is, contact a moderator by email - either maysie at rabble dot ca or catchfire at rabble dot ca or both. Then you can judge by what action is or is not taken. Atzmon is a devious character who plays on his "Jewishness" to make outrageous comments. There are people who are influenced by him who would never consider themselves anti-semitic. That's what makes him dangerous.

 

Cytizen H

Thank you, Unionist. I have flagged the posts. Should I e-mail moderators as well?

Unionist

I can't advise you on that, Cytizen. You may, however, want to have a look at [url=http://www.rabble.ca/babble/canadian-politics/gerald-caplan-article-part... thread[/url] to see some good discussion about Atzmon and his politics.

 

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Looks like the photos that appeared yesterday in the press of flotilla activists and captured Israeli soldiers were supplied by the Canadian Kevin Neish, who turned them over to people in Turkey.

[url=http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/hid-raid-pictures-in-underwear... to Canadian Press, he smuggled them off the ship and through his detention in his underwear, and intimate body parts.

The article is surprisingly sympathetic compared, for example, to how the same man was treated by the CBC.

Edited to add:  [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_Ij6xz5q-Q]Video[/url] of Neish's news conference.

NDPP

On Atzmon;

"Atzmon is an outspoken critic of the Israeli state. He supports the right of return for the millions of Palestinian refugees scattered across the Middle East and the globe, is an Honorary Member of the Brussels Tribunal, and is also a signatory to the 'Palestinians Are the Priority Petition'- an open statement and commitment to the Palestinian Solidarity Cause, which states ' We accept and believe in equality of all persons, regardless of their race, religion political or otheor orientation. We believe that full and unconditional support of the Palestinian people is a condition sine qua non for activists to adopt and be recognized, that their attachment to their homelands is a fundamental and unalterable condition. To that end we advocate for a united State with equal rights for all.'

Atzmon has triggered some controversy with his outspoken political statements. He responded to accusations of anti-Semitism in an article entitled '1001 Lies about Gilad Atzmon. 'I am an anti-Zionist and oppose the Zionist mindset. I look at questions of Jewish identity and I do question the ties between Jewish world view and Zionism. I refute totally that I am anti-Semite. In fact I also believe that the current concept of an anti-Semitism is meaningless.

Once the Zionists had managed to establish their Jewish state, any form of anti-Jewish sentiments should be comprehended either as a private case of xenophobia or as a political retaliation to Israeli/Zionist atrocities. In other words, the title anti-Semite became an 'empty signifier', i.e. a signifier with a vague, highly variable, unspecifiable or non-existent signified. It is an empty, verbal utterance that exists merely to serve a political cause (very much like Blair's WMD or Bush's Axis of Evil) Because anti-Semite is an empty sigifier, no one actually can be an anti-Semite and this includes me of course. In short you are either a racist which I am not or have an ideological disagreement with Zionism which I have..

I'm an independent, critical thinker. It is my personal understanding that I choose to share with my readers and listeners. I express my very own reading into events and some speculations regarding the notion of identity. I write about things that I find while looking into myself. This is very dangerous for people who try to promote some collective dogmatic and ethnic tribalism..It is apparently, the individual and critical thinker who endangers any form of ideological dogmatism (in general) and Jewish collectivism (in particular).."

I see no reason why Gilad Atzmon should be prohibited from Babble any more than John Pilger. The charge of 'anti-Semitism' I reject as does he and presumably also the Brussels Tribunal of which he is an Honourary Member. Given the term's frequent usage as an utterance 'to serve a political cause', I would urge caution before a decision is made. I also post communiques from the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan, information from the US State Deparment, , Orthodox Rabbis, Jason Kenney, Marxists, Maoists -even NDP press releases  etc etc. I do so when I believe they contain information of interest or relevence to the areas of discussion, not because I necessarily believe or advocate their contents. That should be obvious. It certainly is not my intention to offend anyone here.  I think that banning Gilad Atzmon is as dangerous as trying to ban 'Israeli apartheid'. If it is decided to ask me not to post him I will not post him but I think that would be a mistake inconsistent with progressive open understanding.

 

NDPP

Dozens of Passports Stolen From Flotilla Participants

http://kawthersalamblog.blogspot.com/2010/06/dozens-of-passports-stolen-...

"More than thirty one international solidarity activists who were on the vessels assure the ECESG that the Israeli authorities confiscated their passports during the abductions from international waters on Monday 31 May 2010, and that they did not give them back. The ECESG expressed their concern that the Israeli authorities particularly the foreign intelligence service 'Mossad' will use these passports.."

Before this is over Israel Will Apologize

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=19588

"Israel has become Myanmar on the Jordan. Every new act of violence deepens the paranoia, the resentment, the isolation. The killing of 9 peace activists aboard the Mavi Marmara was celebrated in Tel Aviv -- another blood victory against the terrorists, another triumph against those who would harm Israel. Heads of state around the world have condemned the butchery, but Israelis have shrugged off the criticism. THey think that support for the activists is anti-Semitism. They think that food and medicine are weapons that will be used by Hamas against Israel. This is madness, but madness has consequences. Nine people are dead.

Peace activists aren't anti-Semitic or terrorists. If the tables were turned adn 1.5 million Jews were trapped in the Gaza Hell Hole instead of Muslims--these same activists would have come to their aid...Before this is over Israel will apologize.."

Petition In Support of MK Hanin Zoabi

http://gulagnik.wordpress.com/2010/06/07/petition-in-support-of-mk-hanin...

...."We wish to emphasize that the attempt to violate the rights of the Arab minority is calamitous and threatens not only  the Arab citizens of Israel but also constitutes a clear and present danger to the Israeli democracy. We call upon the Speaker of the Knesset to stop the actual threat to Israeli Society.."

['the Petition is in Hebrew. The petition has 3 boxes. The first for name, the second for city and the last for comments]

NDPP

Chairman Uskul: Civilized World Facing Test of Sincerity on Human Rights Advocacy

http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/news-212453-chairman-uskol-civilized-w...

"our condemnation alone is not sufficient. The parliaments and parliamentary commissions of other contries should express these same sensitivities with us so that this might have some effect on Israel.."

please feel free to share this with our 'representatives' and ask them what they plan to do about it...

Cytizen H

NoDifferencePartyPooper wrote:

 ...any form of anti-Jewish sentiments should be comprehended either as a private case of xenophobia or as a political retaliation to Israeli/Zionist atrocities.

Here someone has posted political justification for anti-Jewish sentiment.

NoDifferencePartyPooper wrote:

 Because anti-Semite is an empty sigifier, no one actually can be an anti-Semite and this includes me of course.

Here we see the claim that anti-semitism does not exist as a defence for spewing anti-jewish sentiments.

NoDifferencePartyPooper wrote:

I see no reason why Gilad Atzmon should be prohibited from Babble any more than John Pilger. The charge of 'anti-Semitism' I reject as does he and presumably also the Brussels Tribunal of which he is an Honourary Member. Given the term's frequent usage as an utterance 'to serve a political cause', I would urge caution before a decision is made.

 

I think that stifling criticism of Israel on the grounds that it is anti-semitic is ludicrous and irrational. However, I am far more worried by the fact that anti-semites are now using the awareness of that Zionist tactic as a shield for their hate. I don't care if Atzmon is banned. It can be useful to see what our enemies are saying. I think you should be banned. You have openly stated that Atzmon's anti-jewish sentiments are justifed and that you agree with them. This neccessarily taints any commentary you make about Israel. You do a great disservice to those who would stand up on behalf of the Palestinians. By associating yourself with them you taint them all.

 

Polunatic2

There are so many sad ironies in all of this. Slingshots? Who is the Goliath now? Turning ships back? How about the MS St. Louis

Not exactly analogous but these are some of the things running through my head.  

takeitslowly

I dont know why the Turkish group IHH released those photos of the bloodied Israelie soldiers, they look the passengers really did attack the soldiers and it does some damage to their reputation.. i think

Bubbles

takeitslowly wrote:

I dont know why the Turkish group IHH released those photos of the bloodied Israelie soldiers, they look the passengers really did attack the soldiers and it does some damage to their reputation.. i think

 

Who was the attacker?

takeitslowly

Bubbles wrote:

takeitslowly wrote:

I dont know why the Turkish group IHH released those photos of the bloodied Israelie soldiers, they look the passengers really did attack the soldiers and it does some damage to their reputation.. i think

 

Who was the attacker?

 

It was hard to tell from the pictures, thats for sure. The optic is harmed, imo.

Bubbles

Seems to me that the Israelis were the attackers, the uninvited party guests, one could say.

Maybe IHH did not want to act like the Israelis and hide the evidence.

 

writer writer's picture

Were any commandos killed?

There is your answer.

Edited to add: This is an example of how different audiences see different things. For many, it shows activists standing up to murderous invaders, disarming and neutralizing without killing a well-armed soldier. It shows strength and resolve. I think for some it communicates strength *and* compassion. It reaffirms that the mighty army is made up of humans, with vulnerabilities like everyone else. That the mighty army can be resisted. Tested. Possibly defeated in surprising ways.

It says, Don't give up.

Lard Tunderin Jeezus Lard Tunderin Jeezus's picture

***APPLAUSE***

kropotkin1951

It is obvious that like the Black Bloc at Canadian protests those protesters who disarmed the IDF are the cause of the murderous actions of the commandoes.  Please stop blaming the victims in the IDF and the police forces.  If people just protest meaninglessly then there will be no violence.  End the blockade of Gaza apparently means sail up to the Israeli navy and then surrender.  If any resistance is given it is proof that you are at least hurting the cause if you are not the reason itself for those nice IDF soldiers shooting you through the head at close range.  Why did those people make the IDF kill them?  Simple they resisted and that is not allowed. Only head down and ass up as one bows to ones betters.

IMO the Israeli government is the biggest cause of anti-semitism in the current world.  The Torah and Koran and Old Testament are all based on the same murderous, homophobic texts.  I am anti the Bad Book.  Any one who relies on a book to say they have the will of god behind them when they murder others is a liar. I don't care whether they are Jews or Moslem or Christian they all believe in slightly different interpretations of the same hateful ideology that makes everyone but the Chosen a justifiable target.  

NDPP

Interview with Kevin Neish on Press TV: 'Canadian Activist Recounts Ordeal During Flotilla Attacks (video)

http://www.presstv.com/

Gaza Flotilla Survivors Recount Ordeals

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=129495

Israeli Arab MKs Face Growing Wave of Death Threats

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/israeli-arab-mks-face-grow...

Israel Demanding More US Military Aid

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=129501&sectionid=351020202

al-Qa'bong

The "Only Democracy in the Middle East"® is up to its old tricks:

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An Israeli parliamentary committee recommended stripping an Arab MP of her privileges yesterday in a move to prepare the ground for putting her on trial for participating last week in the Gaza-bound aid flotilla attacked by Israeli commandos.

Haneen Zoubi, who has become a national hate figure since challenging Israel’s account of the confrontation, said yesterday she was facing “a witch-hunt”.

The interior minister, Eli Yishai, has submitted a request for her citizenship to be revoked, and a bill -- labelled the “Zoubi Law” -- is being considered that would allow a serving MP to be expelled for “inciting” against the state.

Witchhunt for an Israeli MP

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al-Qa'bong wrote:

The "Only Democracy in the Middle East"® is up to its old tricks:

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An Israeli parliamentary committee recommended stripping an Arab MP of her privileges yesterday in a move to prepare the ground for putting her on trial for participating last week in the Gaza-bound aid flotilla attacked by Israeli commandos.

Haneen Zoubi, who has become a national hate figure since challenging Israel’s account of the confrontation, said yesterday she was facing “a witch-hunt”.

The interior minister, Eli Yishai, has submitted a request for her citizenship to be revoked, and a bill -- labelled the “Zoubi Law” -- is being considered that would allow a serving MP to be expelled for “inciting” against the state.

Witchhunt for an Israeli MP

This actually reminds me of the treatment of Louis Riel, who was expelled by his fellow members of the House of Commons, even though he was elected several times.

NDPP

The Flotilla Massacre: Historical Perspective, Aftermath and Implications

http://sjlendman.blogspot.com/2010/06/flotilla-massacre-historical.html

"Early on, Israel was a regional menace. It's now a global one, posing a grave threat to world power and stability..

'We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel..Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours' " Raphael Eitan IDF Chief of Staff

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

takeitslowly wrote:

I dont know why the Turkish group IHH released those photos of the bloodied Israelie soldiers, they look the passengers really did attack the soldiers and it does some damage to their reputation.. i think

It would appear Little Green Footballs has dug up some interesting dirt on some of those photos... like everything on LGF your mileage may vary.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/36488_Did_Reuters_Crop_a_Photo_to_Remove_a_Peace_Activists_Weapon

Example: the released photo...

And here's the uncropped photo; knife and blood included...

 

Catchfire Catchfire's picture

Sorry for the delay in getting to this today, everyone. I have recently moved and today is the only day this week I can get my vegetable garden going. So you can see there is no time to lose.

Re: Atzmon

I am not familiar with this blogger. But it did not take me long to decide whether or not he was anti-Semitic. From the linked post @#7:

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Though the Israeli opposition to such an inquiry is there to suggest that the Israelis have much to hide, the truth of the matter is actually deeper. If you want to grasp what underlies the Israeli deadly barbarism all you have to do is open the Old Testament.

This is clearly anti-Semitism at its most fundamental, and whatever panels he sits on and whatever petitions he has signed does not make it less so. The anti-Semitism also does not stop with this sentence. NDPP, you are a wonderful resource for poignant articles and I see no reason why you need to link to this hateful individual. Please make your point without linking to anti-Semitic material. It won't be tolerated. If you'd like to discuss it further, feel free to email or PM me or Maysie.

Now, back to the garden. If you need me again, give me a ring.

writer writer's picture

As the link itself spells out, the photo *was* released. One agency cropped it.

I guess these activists would have had to tickle armed soldiers into dropping their guns for the right to be satisfied that they were simply reasonably defending themselves against an early-morning raid during which some of their friends and associates were shot in the head.

Some of the raiders were injured. Were any murdered? The guy on the ground there seems very vulnerable, and terrified. He is completely at the mercy of those around him. The guy with the knife has a completely relaxed arm. He isn't lunging. He isn't holding the knife up. He doesn't have the knife against the soldier's body. He is, in fact, some distance away. Weapons come in many forms. Many feet are close to the soldier's neck, yet it wasn't snapped.

Why?

Men with guns and intent descend on a ship. A few are disarmed and subdued after invading. Other intruders kill. But the neutralized soldiers are not killed, while carnage unfolds. Hurt in the process of protecting those onboard, yes, but not killed. Who here among us would say they would kiss the cheeks of their assassin? What is so hard to understand? What is the controversy?

Cytizen H

Catchfire,

Thank you. I was starting to feel very alone here. Starting to feel like I might be going crazy.

I think that NDPP also owes some explanation for his own anti-Semitic comments and his defence of expressing anti-semitic sentiments. (If it makes NDPP feel better, we can substitute racist for anti-semitic).

And I wish all the best to you and your garden!

 

kropotkin1951

Israeli Arab MKs Face Growing Wave of Death Threats

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/israeli-arab-mks-face-grow..

 

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The "pulsa denura threat" came just a day after Tibi received a number of voice messages on his cellular phone, in Hebrew, telling him: "Your days are numbered… dirty Arab. I promise you, your days are numbered. You and all Arabs will die. If a dear prime minister can be murdered, what is it to kill you?"

United Arab List chairman Talab al-Sana also received death threats on Monday, apparently from members of the public angered by his reaction to Israel's raid on a Gaza-bound aid convoy.

Sana's office received an anonymous fax message reading "you're dead". The MK also lodged a complaint with Knesset authorities after suffering verbal abuse as he entered the parliament building in Jerusalem.

Last week the UAL party leader caused anger among Israelis when he compared navy commandos to Nazis after an Israel Defense Force raid on the 'Mavi Marmara', a Turkish protest ship, left nine activists dead.

In response to the threats, Sana accused the political right-wingers of inciting hatred. Sana said the atmosphere in Israel reminded him of the eve of the assassination of Rabin, a prime minister gunned down by a Jewish extremist in 1996.

"Rabin fell victim to the Right and to its thoughtless campaign of hatred," Sana said.

He added: "The nation faces a leadership crisis and the public is venting its anger on the [Arab] minority in its midst. This process has happened in other countries, where right-wing fascist extremists have exploited the mood of crisis to take control of government.

Sana's comments came as a Knesset's committee on Monday recommended revoking the parliamentary privileges of Hanin Zuabi MK, who was aboard one of the flotilla ships during the raid last week.

The audacity of the man to think he has the right to speak his mind as an elected member of the Middle East's ONLY democracy.  This is certainly racism or is it anti-semitism?

 

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

 

Anybody find anything about Iranian ships on the way to Gaza?

 I found this... I have no idea how reliable the source is.

 http://www.debka.com/article/8842/

 

 

al-Qa'bong

It's from debka.com.

 

You could quote Der Stürmer on daily life in pre-war Germany and be comparably accurate.

masthinalgazafl...

כל הכבוד לצהל חבל שלא ירו בעוד כמה תומכי טרור

 

You touch one Israeli soldier and you deserve to be shot

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al-Qa'bong wrote:

It's from debka.com.

 

You could quote Der Stürmer on daily life in pre-war Germany and be comparably accurate.

Yep, Iran is starting a full-out propaganda effort on the flotilla.  It's pretty amateur though, compared to the hasbara.

No Yards No Yards's picture

masthinalgazaflotilla wrote:

 

כל הכבוד לצהל חבל שלא ירו בעוד כמה תומכי טרור

[Good army should have shot a few supporters of terrorism ... google translation]

You touch one Israeli soldier and you deserve to be shot

Another fine example of Israeli "courage" (and stupidity,) threatening critics of Israel with death on a public forum.

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Our charming new guest is gone.

al-Qa'bong

masthinalgazaflotilla wrote:

כל הכבוד לצהל חבל שלא ירו בעוד כמה תומכי טרור

 

You touch one Israeli soldier and you deserve to be shot

 

Gee, where have I seen evidence of this attitude before? Oh yeah, while visiting formerly-occupied Europe:

 

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Le 16 octobre 1941, trois jeunes résistants arrivent à Nantes. Ils ont pour mission d'exécuter un officier allemand. Quatre jours plus tard, l'homme est assassiné : il s'appelle Karl Hotz ... En réaction, le général allemand Von Stülpnagel donne l'ordre d'exécuter 50 otages. A Nantes, 16 personnes sont fusillées au camp du Bêle. Les autres exécutions se déroulent à Chateaubriant et Paris. Le 20 Octobre 1944, le Conseil municipal de la Libération décide de nommer la nouvelle voie construite à Nantes, "le cours des 50 Otages", en référence à ce drame.

 

50 Otages : un cours d'histoire

 

 

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

al-Qa'bong wrote:

It's from debka.com.

You could quote Der Stürmer on daily life in pre-war Germany and be comparably accurate.

I don't understand?

Anyways I've picked up more stuff on this and as I said before if Iran gets involed with this I think it could turn sour for the Free Gaza movement.

NDPP

I think that stifling criticism of Israel on the grounds that it is anti-semitic is ludicrous and irrational. However, I am far more worried by the fact that anti-semites are now using the awareness of that Zionist tactic as a shield for their hate. I don't care if Atzmon is banned. It can be useful to see what our enemies are saying. I think you should be banned. You have openly stated that Atzmon's anti-jewish sentiments are justifed and that you agree with them. This neccessarily taints any commentary you make about Israel. You do a great disservice to those who would stand up on behalf of the Palestinians. By associating yourself with them you taint them all.

NDPP

Cytizen H,

I don't hate Jews or taint Palestinians nor was I aware Gilad Atzmon did either. You are of course entitled to your own opinions. I agree not to post him here again but am not much interested in further explanation or again interrupting anyone's gardening as a result

kropotkin1951

He was referring to the nature of the propaganda prominently displayed at the site you posted too.  Calling it an Israeli apologist site would be too nice. 

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