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voice of the damned

Jatt sent me the following PM...

When are you going to issue an apology you ignorant, racist prick?

I'm not going to.

 

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voice of the damned wrote:

I'm not going to.

Guru Gobind Singh freed thousands of slaves and sacrificed his entire family.
Comparing him to a white racist certainly warrants a human rights complaint. ;)

The Mughals are Turks. A servant is the same as his master.
India is "secular" (a christian idea), Pak-Bengal are mono-religious bases from which to wage Jihad.
The largest genocide in history is that of polytheists.

The entire thread is white men of a christian/leftist background, similar to Islam, preaching imperialism/Jihad.
White men should certainly define anti-colonialism, they've never said Islamo-Christian colonialism is good. lol

Islam, Christianity, "Enlightenment" Values, Liberal Democracy - All Western Values.
Happy Diwali

NDPP

NDP Statement on the Remembrance of the 1984 Sikh Genocide

https://twitter.com/theJagmeetSingh/status/1190405077347045376

"Today the NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh made the following statement:

'...Our work to help survivors heal must include naming this for what it was - genocide."

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https://twitter.com/AmitShah/status/1192055717777166342?s=20
"Kartarpur Sahib Corridor is a historic achievement that generations of devotees will remember. It will find special mention in the annals of history. It reflects Modi govt’s commitment towards preserving our rich heritage & universalising the teachings of Shri Guru Nanak Dev ji."

Modi & other RSS/BJP members were hiding out in the form of Sikh during Indira's emergency. There is a large contingent of 'Hindus' who think anything related to Sikhi is terrorism and this goes back centuries. :shrug: 
They'll be defeated just like the Jihadis who dream of re-opening the slave markets of Ghori & Ghazni. :shrug:

https://twitter.com/CestMoiz/status/1190970608772943874?s=20
"Nobody loves a warrior until the enemy is at the gates #Fact


https://twitter.com/sialmirzagoraya/status/1191916183626362880?s=20

Manmohan Bir Singh Talwar (MVC) was a retired decorated war hero. He had been a wing commander in the Indo-Pakistani War of 1971, in which he led five successful airborne missions deep behind enemy lines. For his services, he was awarded the Maha Vir Chakra, in 1972.

On 1 November 1984, a mob of thousands surrounded his residence in the centre of Delhi. Talwar and his sons had prepared to defend themselves with a shotgun and hockey sticks. The mob tried to break into Talwar's shop but was eventually convinced to disperse by neighbours.

https://twitter.com/Kharagket/status/1190255612040556549

Gut-wrenching thread. Highly suggest Pav Singh’s book “1984: India’s Guilty Secret” to get a fuller context even many Sikhs don’t know. Extremely well-researched book that uncovers the massive scope government's hand in these horrific pogroms across North India.
https://twitter.com/JungNihang/status/1190303107131084800?s=20

https://twitter.com/tequieremos/status/1190142579867897856

Saka Panja Sahib⁣ ⁣ On this day (Oct 30) in 1922 Sikhs arrested during the Guru Ka Bagh agitation were being transported by train to Naushera Jail. The Sikhs of Panja Sahib decided to stop the train to serve Langar to the Sikh prisoners.

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In Dharmic morality of ruling a country, Forests as well as entire nature belongs to the desa devata. But Colonial morality saw forests as source for "Resources". Secular Democrazy continues with the colonial morality.
https://twitter.com/IchBinGorg/status/1192067715168657408?s=20
https://www.livelaw.in/top-stories/forests-in-alagar-hills-does-not-belong-to-the-deity-149546

Kind of hard to explain but Dieties are treated as persons who can be tried in court..

Interesting framework for environmentalism though, in Mahabharat Samrat Yudhistra mentions protection of animals as being part of Kshatriya Dharma.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOAiDFq6-1A

This is a good short film on the Bishnoi tribe of Rajasthan whose religion is the protection of all animals.
Notice the woman is veiled, a result of Islamic Invasion.

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Traditional knowledge/practice like that is ignored in Indian policy making.
Both the Congress (ruled over 5/7 decades since 47) & the BJP derive their institutional knowledge from abroad.

Another good example is how traditional step wells are an ancient solution to water crisis but are not considered.
Neither is the idea of Indic varieties of crops able to cope with hardier conditions.
:/

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/how-20000-women-in-vellore-got-together-to-save-a-dying-river/articleshow/69850795.cms?from=mdr

Traditional culture is actively suppressed as seen by the ban of festivals such as Diwali, Dahi Handi & Jallikattu among others. :shrug:

Too bad for evil-doers both the environement & traditional culture will be saved. :D

NDPP

There and here!

josh

At a private event on Saturday in New York City, Sandeep Chakravorty, India’s consul-general to the city, told Kashmiri Hindus and Indian nationals that India will build settlements modelled after Israel for the return of the Hindu population to Kashmir.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/india-consul-general-united-states-calls-israeli-solution-kashmir

Sean in Ottawa

josh wrote:

At a private event on Saturday in New York City, Sandeep Chakravorty, India’s consul-general to the city, told Kashmiri Hindus and Indian nationals that India will build settlements modelled after Israel for the return of the Hindu population to Kashmir.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/india-consul-general-united-states-calls-israeli-solution-kashmir

Ethnic cleansing is what both are doing to the land.

kropotkin1951

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

josh wrote:

At a private event on Saturday in New York City, Sandeep Chakravorty, India’s consul-general to the city, told Kashmiri Hindus and Indian nationals that India will build settlements modelled after Israel for the return of the Hindu population to Kashmir.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/india-consul-general-united-states-calls-israeli-solution-kashmir

Ethnic cleansing is what both are doing to the land.

Settler societies always become genocidal as part of their ethos. Ethnic cleansing can be accomplished by in migration and marginalization. When BC joined Confederation it had a majority indigenous population. Many of the schemes to ethnically cleanse are based on the racist constitution of Canada. BC as soon as it joined Canada disenfranchised all the non-European voters. Most Chinese and indigenous people were not property owners so they couldn't vote anymore than a poor white person however prior to the new laws some had voted in elections and some small towns had elected non-Europeans to postilions including a Chinese Mayor. The Indian government will restrict the Kashmir people like they were Canadian Indians and then move a new population into the region. Voila in 50 years the place will be a predominately Indian area.

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https://twitter.com/Parikramah/status/1196536365850206208

Yes, allowing Kashmiri Pandits to return to Kashmir is genocide of Kashmiris.
Guru Tegh Bahadur the 9th Guru of the Sikh gave his life to stop their forced conversion to Islam.

Westernerns with common ideological roots will of course always support Jihad against Pagans.
Here we have comparisons between Israeli/European settler colonialism and Hindu resistance to Jihad.

In the twisted Abrahamic mindset a counter-action is worse than the original evil.

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"The Hindus of the Kashmir Valley, were forced to flee the Kashmir valley as a result of being targeted by JKLF and Islamist insurgents during late 1989 and early 1990.[4][5] Of the approximately 300,000 to 600,000 Hindus living in the Kashmir Valley in 1990 only 2,000–3,000 remain there in 2016"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_of_Kashmiri_Hindus

W/e you guys can speak strongly for whatever political issue you want, I doubt you'll actually do anything for a single one.. ;)

NDPP

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Settler societies always become genocidal as part of their ethos. Ethnic cleansing can be accomplished by in migration and marginalization. When BC joined Confederation it had a majority indigenous population. Many of the schemes to ethnically cleanse are based on the racist constitution of Canada. BC as soon as it joined Canada disenfranchised all the non-European voters.

NDPP wrote:

I certainly would agree that Canada is a 'genocidal settler society'. But in fact it was more the trashing and subversion of the Constitution itself which was the more 'racist', and never granted Canada nor the Province of BC  the right to colonize lands not legally and lawfully surrendered by treaty with the legitimate representatives of the sovereign Indigenous nations in possession. Hence it also couldn't 'grant' or 'disenfranchise' 'voters' or grant titles to property in relation to unceded territories over which it had no lawful authority or jurisdiction in the first place. Perhaps this will help:

Section 91 (24): A Shield, Not A Sword

https://dissidentvoice.org/2016/01/section-9124-a-shield-not-a-sword/

 

An Identification of the Conflicted Relationship Between the Indigenous Nations and the Legal Profession in North America

https://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/an-identification-of-the-conflicted-r...

"...Genocide continues in consequence of the lawyers' and judges' institutional and profound conflict of interest with justice - based upon the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth - which the rule of law in idealistic theory exists to serve. They will not address the constitutional question that exposes their own culpability for war and genocide as  against Indigenous and foreign nations whose values deeply conflict with, and pose an ideological threat to, theirs..."

Sorry for the thread drift but these are critical, widely held errors and misunderstandings promulgated by a Canadian legal and judicial establishment deeply implicated in an ongoing criminal regime of subversion and anti-law which continues to advance neocolonialism, death and planetary destruction while generating huge profits for itself and its corporate assigns.

kropotkin1951

Bruce Clark has a lot of ideas I agree with, however the SCC has a far different opinion of those ideas. It is the height of absurdity to stand in a settler court and say the Judge has no jurisdiction even if it is technically true. No Judge is going to say your right and that everything the government has done to indigenous people since the Indian Act is illegal and null and void, instead this is what they say.

Supreme Court of Canada

On September 12, 1995 Clark appeared before the Supreme Court of Canada as council on Delgamuukw v. British Columbia in which Supreme Court Chief Justice Antonio Lamer declined to address constitutional challenges set forth by Clark. In response to Clark's statement that "the judiciary has engaged in fraud and genocide, by ignoring native sovereignty over vast tracts of land, including the disputed ranchland at Gustafsen Lake", Lamer responded that Clark was a "disgrace to the bar"[61] and that [i]n my 26 years as a judge I've never heard anything so preposterous."[63][64]

NDPP

Yes, anything but actually address the law. There is nothing absurd about raising a threshold issue of jursdiction when it can be shown that the Canadian courts have no constitutional basis for insisting they have any on unceded Indigenous lands.  Clark is an acknowledged academic expert on that point and the argument is impregnable.  In some 40 cases before BC courts they also evaded the constitutional issue saying they couldn't or wouldn't address the constitution, (even prohibiting Clark from mentioning the word 'Constitution') and held that it must be decided by the Supreme Court of Canada. Upon arriving there he is then told by that crooked alcoholic snake of a Chief Justice,  Antonio Lamer, that while it is true the sovereignty issue has yet to be addressed, and that it was never addressed in Delgamuukw, Clark must nonetheless first return to BC to obtain a lower court decision on that point.  Pure Chicanery. Even the Upper Canada Law society that eventually disbarred him for 'ungovernability' admitted 'we are sympathetic moreover to his claims that the courts are unwilling to hear his arguments'. As the Secwepemc elder Wolverine aptly stated once to another crooked alcoholic judge, then BC Chief Justice Allan McEachern: 'We know all too well that a thief almost never admits his crimes or gives back what he has stolen unless forced to.'

The issue was even more aptly put by a Mohawk friend who stated: 'Despite all their treaties and 'solemn agreements' with us,  we had full jurisdiction over our lands only when we could enforce it. As soon as we couldn't, we didn't, never mind what the law says.'  Thus 'might makes right' is still very much the primary operational principle of Canadian land rights law. Just as it is the primary operational principle of those who ultimately laid the foundations for all the  the  misery and death which has for so long afflicted the people of Kashmir. When elephants fight it is the grass that suffers most of all.

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But the Sikhs did not harm the local Kashmiri Muslim villagers. In-fact, there are instances where the local Kashmiri Muslims would plead that the only the Sikh troops be posted to protect them as they felt safe with the Sikhs.

https://twitter.com/_NaunihalSingh/status/1186805345542230016

It takes a lot to so passionately hate 'Hindu' India to not search basic facts about the situation.

For example, that the UN Plebiscite requires Pakistan to withdraw which it refuses.
Pakistan has already demographically changed PoK.

 

I guess a hatred of "religion" leads people to be pro-victimization of #pagang civilians.

Secularism is the last bastion of white identity.

NDPP

Digging Up the Buried Last Sikh Emperor and Reclaiming a 'Looted' Heritage by the British Colonialists

https://on.rt.com/a6k7

"A demand has been made in the Indian parliament to exhume and return the remains of the last Sikh emperor. Maharaja Duleep Singh was converted into a Christian, shipped to England, and is presently buried in a church of nondescript village on their lands. The chances of the demand's success, however, are one in a million..."

JKR

Something is definitely very wrong in India:

A woman in India was set on fire on her way to her own rape trial; By Esha Mitra and Omar Khan, CNN; Updated 9:46 AM ET, Thu December 5, 2019

https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/05/asia/india-rape-trial-attack-intl/index.html

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That makes me angry.

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Hyderabad case: Police kill suspects in rape and murder
:)

Seeing my sisters celebrating in the beginning of the article enlightens my heart.

Not going to post the BBC article here but 2 points:

1. Wtf is Amnesty or any western organization doing there?
2. Lol an entire article on police encounters & not 1 mention of Sikhi.

JKR
Sean in Ottawa

jatt_1947 wrote:

Hyderabad case: Police kill suspects in rape and murder
:)

Seeing my sisters celebrating in the beginning of the article enlightens my heart.

Not going to post the BBC article here but 2 points:

1. Wtf is Amnesty or any western organization doing there?
2. Lol an entire article on police encounters & not 1 mention of Sikhi.

Amnesty International has been in India since 1966. You can speak with Avinash Kumar and Aakar Patel about why they are there.

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Sean in Ottawa wrote:

jatt_1947 wrote:

Hyderabad case: Police kill suspects in rape and murder
:)

Seeing my sisters celebrating in the beginning of the article enlightens my heart.

Not going to post the BBC article here but 2 points:

1. Wtf is Amnesty or any western organization doing there?
2. Lol an entire article on police encounters & not 1 mention of Sikhi.

Amnesty International has been in India since 1966. You can speak with Avinash Kumar and Aakar Patel about why they are there.

Why? The British Crown was also there from 1857-1947.
Dialogue doesn't fix such problems.

In other news,

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/india-sikh-justin-trudeau-separatism-canada-foreign-policy-a8223641.html
"Indian elites exaggerate Sikh militancy in the west because they're worried Sikhs are getting into position of power and challenging its abuse of civil rights."

Sean in Ottawa

jatt_1947 wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

jatt_1947 wrote:

Hyderabad case: Police kill suspects in rape and murder
:)

Seeing my sisters celebrating in the beginning of the article enlightens my heart.

Not going to post the BBC article here but 2 points:

1. Wtf is Amnesty or any western organization doing there?
2. Lol an entire article on police encounters & not 1 mention of Sikhi.

Amnesty International has been in India since 1966. You can speak with Avinash Kumar and Aakar Patel about why they are there.

Why? The British Crown was also there from 1857-1947.
Dialogue doesn't fix such problems.

In other news,

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/india-sikh-justin-trudeau-separatism-canada-foreign-policy-a8223641.html
"Indian elites exaggerate Sikh militancy in the west because they're worried Sikhs are getting into position of power and challenging its abuse of civil rights."

The British crown did not bring Amnesty to India, Indians did. 

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Sean in Ottawa wrote:

jatt_1947 wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

jatt_1947 wrote:

Hyderabad case: Police kill suspects in rape and murder
:)

Seeing my sisters celebrating in the beginning of the article enlightens my heart.

Not going to post the BBC article here but 2 points:

1. Wtf is Amnesty or any western organization doing there?
2. Lol an entire article on police encounters & not 1 mention of Sikhi.

Amnesty International has been in India since 1966. You can speak with Avinash Kumar and Aakar Patel about why they are there.

Why? The British Crown was also there from 1857-1947.
Dialogue doesn't fix such problems.

In other news,

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/india-sikh-justin-trudeau-separatism-canada-foreign-policy-a8223641.html
"Indian elites exaggerate Sikh militancy in the west because they're worried Sikhs are getting into position of power and challenging its abuse of civil rights."

The British crown did not bring Amnesty to India, Indians did. 

Indians also supported the British at Plassey.

The Taliban are technically Indians,

Foreign cultures have no place on sacred soil.

Sean in Ottawa

jatt_1947 wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

jatt_1947 wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

jatt_1947 wrote:

Hyderabad case: Police kill suspects in rape and murder
:)

Seeing my sisters celebrating in the beginning of the article enlightens my heart.

Not going to post the BBC article here but 2 points:

1. Wtf is Amnesty or any western organization doing there?
2. Lol an entire article on police encounters & not 1 mention of Sikhi.

Amnesty International has been in India since 1966. You can speak with Avinash Kumar and Aakar Patel about why they are there.

Why? The British Crown was also there from 1857-1947.
Dialogue doesn't fix such problems.

In other news,

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/india-sikh-justin-trudeau-separatism-canada-foreign-policy-a8223641.html
"Indian elites exaggerate Sikh militancy in the west because they're worried Sikhs are getting into position of power and challenging its abuse of civil rights."

The British crown did not bring Amnesty to India, Indians did. 

Indians also supported the British at Plassey.

The Taliban are technically Indians,

Foreign cultures have no place on sacred soil.

This was not about that and you probably know it so .... Many Indians today are involved with Amnesty. It is also not a friend of Euro-american countries

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If you are culturally and ideologically a Muslim, the only thing left is the formal ritual of conversion.

https://swarajyamag.com/politics/halal-spread-due-to-our-mental-slavery-it-will-end-with-our-financial-slavery-swarajya-interviews-jhatka-certification-authority-chief

Western NGOS, institutions and norms/systems serve the same function for ideologies such as Evangelism, Capitalism etc.

Sean in Ottawa

jatt_1947 wrote:

If you are culturally and ideologically a Muslim, the only thing left is the formal ritual of conversion.

https://swarajyamag.com/politics/halal-spread-due-to-our-mental-slavery-it-will-end-with-our-financial-slavery-swarajya-interviews-jhatka-certification-authority-chief

Western NGOS, institutions and norms/systems serve the same function for ideologies such as Evangelism, Capitalism etc.

Go make long sweet love to yourself - racist asshole.

And there is no problem me saying this as there is clearly no moderation here any more - otherwise your garbage would have you long gone.  

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Sean in Ottawa wrote:

jatt_1947 wrote:

If you are culturally and ideologically a Muslim, the only thing left is the formal ritual of conversion.

https://swarajyamag.com/politics/halal-spread-due-to-our-mental-slavery-it-will-end-with-our-financial-slavery-swarajya-interviews-jhatka-certification-authority-chief

Western NGOS, institutions and norms/systems serve the same function for ideologies such as Evangelism, Capitalism etc.

Go make long sweet love to yourself - racist asshole.

And there is no problem me saying this as there is clearly no moderation here any more - otherwise your garbage would have you long gone.  


I'm quoting an article, opposing the expansion of imperialist ideologies such as Islam, Christianity, Capitalism to the detriment of Indigenous belief systems is as anti-racist & anti-colonial of an action I could think of.

This is why many Indigenous advocates decry the duplicitous nature of supposed "allies".

Sean in Ottawa

jatt_1947 wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

jatt_1947 wrote:

If you are culturally and ideologically a Muslim, the only thing left is the formal ritual of conversion.

https://swarajyamag.com/politics/halal-spread-due-to-our-mental-slavery-it-will-end-with-our-financial-slavery-swarajya-interviews-jhatka-certification-authority-chief

Western NGOS, institutions and norms/systems serve the same function for ideologies such as Evangelism, Capitalism etc.

Go make long sweet love to yourself - racist asshole.

And there is no problem me saying this as there is clearly no moderation here any more - otherwise your garbage would have you long gone.  


I'm quoting an article, opposing the expansion of imperialist ideologies such as Islam, Christianity, Capitalism to the detriment of Indigenous belief systems is as anti-racist & anti-colonial of an action I could think of.

This is why many Indigenous advocates decry the duplicitous nature of supposed "allies".

The article is behind a paywall but the title makes it clear what it is and what you are for posting it and selecting that quote.

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Sean in Ottawa wrote:

jatt_1947 wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

jatt_1947 wrote:

If you are culturally and ideologically a Muslim, the only thing left is the formal ritual of conversion.

https://swarajyamag.com/politics/halal-spread-due-to-our-mental-slavery-it-will-end-with-our-financial-slavery-swarajya-interviews-jhatka-certification-authority-chief

Western NGOS, institutions and norms/systems serve the same function for ideologies such as Evangelism, Capitalism etc.

Go make long sweet love to yourself - racist asshole.

And there is no problem me saying this as there is clearly no moderation here any more - otherwise your garbage would have you long gone.  


I'm quoting an article, opposing the expansion of imperialist ideologies such as Islam, Christianity, Capitalism to the detriment of Indigenous belief systems is as anti-racist & anti-colonial of an action I could think of.

This is why many Indigenous advocates decry the duplicitous nature of supposed "allies".

The article is behind a paywall but the title makes it clear what it is and what you are for posting it and selecting that quote.

The article is not behind a paywall, Halal is a very sensitive issue for Sikhs & in Sikh history.
If you knew anything about the issue you wouldn't make the statements you have.

Thanks,

Sean in Ottawa

jatt_1947 wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

jatt_1947 wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

jatt_1947 wrote:

If you are culturally and ideologically a Muslim, the only thing left is the formal ritual of conversion.

https://swarajyamag.com/politics/halal-spread-due-to-our-mental-slavery-it-will-end-with-our-financial-slavery-swarajya-interviews-jhatka-certification-authority-chief

Western NGOS, institutions and norms/systems serve the same function for ideologies such as Evangelism, Capitalism etc.

Go make long sweet love to yourself - racist asshole.

And there is no problem me saying this as there is clearly no moderation here any more - otherwise your garbage would have you long gone.  


I'm quoting an article, opposing the expansion of imperialist ideologies such as Islam, Christianity, Capitalism to the detriment of Indigenous belief systems is as anti-racist & anti-colonial of an action I could think of.

This is why many Indigenous advocates decry the duplicitous nature of supposed "allies".

The article is behind a paywall but the title makes it clear what it is and what you are for posting it and selecting that quote.

The article is not behind a paywall, Halal is a very sensitive issue for Sikhs & in Sikh history.
If you knew anything about the issue you wouldn't make the statements you have.

Thanks,

You twist progressive language around a brand of aggressive racism, intolerance and ethnocentrism.

You can rest in your historical hatreds but you will be called out on a place like this for doing so.

Sean in Ottawa

There are certainly concerns about Halal and they could be raised with less resistance if you abstained from comments that are sourced in hate and extreme language like "Foreign cultures have no place on sacred soil."

You keep promoting what comes across as ethnic cleansing. I am sure that many topics you raise could be brought with a lot less of the hate that you spin and the reuslt would be to gain more awareness. Instead you post extremist intolerance and goes back to labeling people who have been in India 1000 years as foregin -- or to be eradicated from the place. The militancy of your posts has created reactions here that would not have existed with less extreme language.

Also your threats to people here in both direct messages and in threads has not helped.

If you want to be an ambassador to promote these topics then there are other ways than promoting hate here as you tend to do.

 

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Sean in Ottawa wrote:

There are certainly concerns about Halal and they could be raised with less resistance if you abstained from comments that are sourced in hate and extreme language like "Foreign cultures have no place on sacred soil."

You keep promoting what comes across as ethnic cleansing. I am sure that many topics you raise could be brought with a lot less of the hate that you spin and the reuslt would be to gain more awareness. Instead you post extremist intolerance and goes back to labeling people who have been in India 1000 years as foregin -- or to be eradicated from the place. The militancy of your posts has created reactions here that would not have existed with less extreme language.

Also your threats to people here in both direct messages and in threads has not helped.

If you want to be an ambassador to promote these topics then there are other ways than promoting hate here as you tend to do.

 

Learning process.

Sean in Ottawa

jatt_1947 wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

There are certainly concerns about Halal and they could be raised with less resistance if you abstained from comments that are sourced in hate and extreme language like "Foreign cultures have no place on sacred soil."

You keep promoting what comes across as ethnic cleansing. I am sure that many topics you raise could be brought with a lot less of the hate that you spin and the reuslt would be to gain more awareness. Instead you post extremist intolerance and goes back to labeling people who have been in India 1000 years as foregin -- or to be eradicated from the place. The militancy of your posts has created reactions here that would not have existed with less extreme language.

Also your threats to people here in both direct messages and in threads has not helped.

If you want to be an ambassador to promote these topics then there are other ways than promoting hate here as you tend to do.

 

Learning process.

Ok perfectly fair.

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josh

Ever since Modi was first elected Prime Minister, in 2014, he has been recasting the story of India, from that of a secular democracy accommodating a uniquely diverse population to that of a Hindu nation that dominates its minorities, especially the country’s two hundred million Muslims. Modi and his allies have squeezed, bullied, and smothered the press into endorsing what they call the “New India.”

. . . .

“Modi was a fascist in every sense,” Nandy said. “I don’t mean this as a term of abuse. It’s a diagnostic category.”

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/12/09/blood-and-soil-in-narendra-modis-india

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https://www.brownpundits.com/2019/12/09/all-that-matters-is-which-way-you-are-punching/
https://www.brownpundits.com/2019/12/10/the-cab-battle-who-is-an-indian-citizen/

Found the comments on 1st article interesting.

1: https://www.brownpundits.com/2019/12/09/all-that-matters-is-which-way-yo...
2: https://www.brownpundits.com/2019/12/09/all-that-matters-is-which-way-yo...

Autonomy & continued protection from Daesh & Taliban along with modern rights vs Shariah seems to be desire.

The Kashmir saga is the continuation of British colonial & even Turko-Islamic attitudes towards the native traditions of India as backward, savage & in need of reform. Any cursory glance at what the British-Indian state has done shows it's been light-handed in Kashmir. Foreign Islamic rulers persecuting native Muslims as being too Hindu is another example.

People criticize Modi as if the Congress party organizing anti-Sikh pogroms across the country was progressive. Or the mass rape of the North-East & allowing Gulf funding of sexual grooming gangs all across the world.
This gets to the root of this all. Nobody cares what happens to sub-continentals only that their interests are served.

The Kashmiri Genocide (Pandits) was possible only because Nehru forcefully disarmed militias, set up to protect from marauding Afghans.

I think it's the wrong platform to discuss this stuff though. 
https://www.brownpundits.com/2019/12/18/why-indian-muslims-are-in-india-not-of-india/

Interesting comments comparing India v China.

1857:  https://www.academia.edu/2259770/The_Blood_of_Martyrs_The_British_Concept_of_Horror_in_India_and_Imperial_Ideology

Western ego at not being able to moderate the conduct of South Asians is at the root of most discourse.

South Asians should abide by western cultural standards, norms, and rules. This statement of cultural independence and sovereignty will obviously be twisted to say that I support atrocities. Countdown starts now, but I’ll take such a notion seriously when stolen wealth & continents are returned by the societies of those making them. ;)

Indigineous traditions are only to be respected when they are close to existing only in a museum. Thing is, Aryas have been playing this game long before anyone else.

https://www.brownpundits.com/2019/12/20/sangat-and-society-the-sikh-remaking-of-the-north-indian-public-sphere/

Just make the whole world a Dharmic state & Modi won't be a fascist anymore. :shrug:

The core assumption that the modern Western society is the best devised by man, and should be adopted everywhere is actually the worst type of fascism. Although it has very good PR, ultimately

Raaj Karega Khalsa

 

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voice of the damned wrote:

Jatt sent me the following PM...

When are you going to issue an apology you ignorant, racist prick?

I'm not going to.

 

That's because you're an evil man

The status quo is unacceptable whatever party is in power.
India's constitution does not reference native traditions even once. Instead India is a secular socialist democracy.

It's not like westernerns are flocking to Eastern culture though or haven't in every historical era where they've had the chance to though. So :shrug: :P

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Reading some of the replies, it's interesting that trying to help Hindu/Sikh refugees fleeing persecution from literal Islamic Republics is opposed by Western Progressives. Only lends evidence to the conclusion that Liberalism is the Fourth Abrahamic Variant.

UK-USA sent their navies to support Pakistan during the Bangladesh War. A war in which the brunt of casualties were borne by Bengali Hindus.
We could go on but ultimately, the conduct of both the Middle East & West towards Dharmics shows why the Guru is correct to instruct his Sikhs to remain armed.

josh
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It is believed that Hanuman intentionally threw a text Hanuman Natak into the sea which was written on himself.

In 1055 A.D. during the reign of the King Bhoj, the Hanuman Natak is said to have been excavated by agog pearl divers. Presenting it to the imminent poet Damodar Missar, Bhoj had damaged passages restored or re-birthed to revive Hanuman's memoirs.

In around 1623-1680 A.D. a young relative of Bhai Gurdas ji, and one of the emperor Akbar's nine poets, Hirday Ram, attempted to revive the entire manuscript. But later on he was tortured to death by Jahangir and this text remained in Mughal occupation upto Jahangir.

After declaring quietude, the Khalsa and the remnants of the Mughal empire initiated a bond of uneasy camaraderie. During this period Bahadur Shah asked Guru Gobind Singh Ji to accompany him to the Deccan. The Guru acquiesced, perceiving an opportunity to visit regional congregations of Sikhs. It was on this journey that he (the Shah) gifted the Guru with the Hanuman Natak. The Guru, who possessed a great love for tales of valour and warfare, subsequently had the manuscript dispatched to Kavi's Kanshi Ram and Kankan. Both individuals had honed their quills on the literary whetstone of Anandpur, and sat down to restore an intensive portion of Hirday Ram's Hanuman Natak.

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For many historic Sikhs the Hanuman Natak served as a template for the profound relationship between the Guru and the Sikh. Hanuman served Ram Chandra as a divine deity, the Sikh too was instructed to render the same servility to his spiritual master. Simultaneously the martial arts, depicted in the manuscript, were systematically revived by the Khalsa and employed in battle. In a parallel vein to the Guru's court, the work was recited during the morning and the evening. Under the aegis of the Udasi and Nirmala bodies, educational institutes were born which readily taught the Hanuman Natak as an essential text. The work had such a profound influence over Punjab, that even the respected historian Ratan Singh Bhangu constructed his own mimic detailing his genealogical heritage. It was the latter which assisted Giani Gurditt Singh in establishing a full profile of Bhangu.

 

josh
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKpgxqthMtE

https://swarajyamag.com/politics/harvesting-souls-in-punjab-how-the-evangelical-ecosystem-targets-sikhs

Fitting Indian culture into a Western lens is part of the continuned racist colonial invasion ideologically, politically, and culturally.

Notice that most critics of the RSS/Modi do NOT point to alternative POVs found within the Indian continent but instead encourage the profusion of WESTERN cultural/ideological systems from which fascism & anti-semitism formed.

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It may explain why in a city like Delhi, with a majority Hindu population, no big temple older than the Birla temple of 1939 exists. Or why the Birlas could only build it, taking inspiration from Mahatma Gandhi’s freedom struggle.

TGT may explain why Kashmiri Hindus never tire of sharing the pain of the seven exoduses from their homeland, and alw­ays do so in the present tense as if they are reliving it. It explains why they call the camps “Aurang­zeb’s dream”, referring to the legend of the emperor’s wish to make Kashmir Islamic.

TGT and memory of religious persecution are now believed to be linked to two events in recent history of India, one, the Ram Janmabhumi, and the other, the abrogation of Article 370. The Ram Janmabhumi site has been described as a memory, associated with the geography of the place where Ram was born and the probable destruction of it, that never healed, nor could it be erased or ­destroyed. The second is the exoduses of Kashmiri Hindus from the Valley over the centuries owing to religious persecution, the last being on January 19, 1990. Working in the refugee camps, this writer was amazed at the number of times the inm­ates referred to how their ancestors ran away, refusing to get converted, the last time being 30 years ago when it was presented to them as an option to stay back in the Valley.

 

As American neuropsychologist A.N. Schore rem­arked in 2001: “What if the brain evolves in an environment of not interpersonal ­security but while facing danger, sometimes over several generations, say even a millennium? What happens when an entire society grows for generations under the shadow of persecution and facing atrocities?”

What happens when we ext­end this argument to Mughal and colonial experiences, which were full of atrocities and where Hindus lived under fear? Does it not further the context for inter-generational transmission of trauma? For entire generations who were born and grew up in societies that treated them as slaves and savages, such questions are no longer utopian and stay limited to academic enquiry, but arise with a frightening intensity when the issue of national identity or nationalistic discourses comes up.

Did the invasions produce a reality so unreal that because of its extreme violence, it shrunk the limits of awareness of Indians that they exist with the world on equal terms? Did it make it difficult for them to confront, ask for their rights and blur the spheres of emotional and ext­ernal reality, making it a paralysing zone in their personality that needs a ­national closure?

http://live.outlookindia.com/magazine/story/india-news-ghost-train-of-our-memories/302553

 

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Pak Hindus again forced to hit streets after another Hindu girl #MahekKeswani was forced to convert to Islam in December 2019. Her grandfather 'Muhan' died heartbroken after hearing this news. Sufi Pir Mian Mitho kept her for four days later she came out and said she converted.

The #CitizenshipBill is in favor of this persecuted community and people that have been bulldozed and abused to such an extent that it fears even asking for basic human rights.

https://twitter.com/Namta_G/status/1209873345119846400

We have the example in Canada (west as a whole), where Yazidis were helped last.
One of the only orgs to consider them was Khalsa Aid.

http://indiafacts.org/dahi-handi-debacle-edict-thessalonica-attack-hindu-traditions/

http://yugaparivartan.com/2017/10/12/a-nation-of-slaves-roman-pagans-to-hindus/

http://indiafacts.org/atrocity-literature-western-recipe-dismantle-india-hinduism/

In 1927, Katherine Mayo wrote a viciously anti-India and anti-Hindu book “Mother India”, which portrayed Hindu society as uncivilized, barbaric and oppressive towards women and children by cherry picking incidents and twisting the facts to suit the pre-decided agenda[1]. The purpose of this book was to show to the world that the Indian society was barbaric, which needed to be ‘civilized’ by the ‘civilized white Christian men’ of the British and defend British rule in India[2]. Gandhiji called this book “a gutter inspector’s report”.

Mayo’s Mother India was perhaps one of the earliest attempts at creating Atrocity literature against India and Hinduism and this has continued to this day 

http://indiafacts.org/sati-historical-evidence/
http://indiafacts.org/missionaries-sati-colonial-india/

Christian & Liberal missionaries have always been working together.

 

bekayne

jatt_1947 wrote:

n 1927, Katherine Mayo wrote a viciously anti-India and anti-Hindu book “Mother India”, which portrayed Hindu society as uncivilized, barbaric and oppressive towards women and children by cherry picking incidents and twisting the facts to suit the pre-decided agenda[1]. The purpose of this book was to show to the world that the Indian society was barbaric, which needed to be ‘civilized’ by the ‘civilized white Christian men’ of the British and defend British rule in India[2]. Gandhiji called this book “a gutter inspector’s report”.

Just to be clear. Is "cherry picking incidents" in order to portray a religion as "uncivilized, barbaric and oppressive towards women and children" always wrong?

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bekayne wrote:

jatt_1947 wrote:

n 1927, Katherine Mayo wrote a viciously anti-India and anti-Hindu book “Mother India”, which portrayed Hindu society as uncivilized, barbaric and oppressive towards women and children by cherry picking incidents and twisting the facts to suit the pre-decided agenda[1]. The purpose of this book was to show to the world that the Indian society was barbaric, which needed to be ‘civilized’ by the ‘civilized white Christian men’ of the British and defend British rule in India[2]. Gandhiji called this book “a gutter inspector’s report”.

Just to be clear. Is "cherry picking incidents" in order to portray a religion as "uncivilized, barbaric and oppressive towards women and children" always wrong?

Exclusivism or the mentality that my idea/religion is the only correct one and simultenously invalidates both present, 'competing' worldviews and disqualifies the past as a valid knowledge source is always wrong.

Some of the Main anti-CAA slogans seem to be Hinduon Se or Kafiran Se Azaadi.

This roughly translates to Freedom from Hindus/Infidels.

http://prsindia.org/sites/default/files/1167485133_citizenship_amendment_1.pdf

Also it seems that the actual provisions for a national citizen registry were passed by Sikh PM Manmohan Singh back in 2004.. 

 

:)

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/beingdifferent/2012/03/the-tiger-and-the-deer-is-dharma-being-digested-into-the-west/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6Nwopg3FIw

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Being_Different

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