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In Begusarai, Hindus and Muslims come together to express solidarity in the face of an onslaught by a government that's hellbent on replacing secular democracy with Hindu fascism.
 

https://twitter.com/cjwerleman/status/1211697572965826567?s=20

 

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https://www.orissapost.com/security-breach-sikh-trio-from-punjab-climbs-mangu-mutt-in-puri/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaATc0RctTw

 

Hundreds of angry Muslim residents of #NankanaSahib pelted stones on #GurdwaraNankanaSahib on Friday. They have surrounded the Gurdwara . The mob was lead by the family of Mohammad Hassan the boy who allegedly abducted and converted sikh girl #JagjitKaur
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/pakistan/muslims-mob-attack-gurdwara-nankana-sahib-with-stones/articleshow/73088062.cms

https://www.reddit.com/r/Sikh/comments/ejf1zh/hundreds_of_angry_muslim_residents_of/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Sikh/comments/eiploa/memorial_in_san_pedro_argentina_remembering_the/

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https://youtu.be/Tvb_S8it4C8 
John Smyth recalls his suicide mission alongside 10 Sikhs.

https://sikhsiyasat.net/2019/12/31/up-police-registers-case-against-55-sikhs-for-carrying-out-nagar-kirtan/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Sikh/comments/eirdzd/update_on_eviction_of_sikhs_in_mp_hinduatva_crowd/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Sikh/comments/ehtto7/udham_singh_center_in_the_1937_film_the_elephant/

Udham Singh (Center) in the 1937 film “The elephant boy”. He was an uncredited extra. He was also in the 1939 film “the four feathers”. He spilt the money he received from the roles between the ghadar party and the Irish Republican Army.

https://www.reddit.com/r/HistoryPorn/comments/ei1m94/irish_president_eamon_de_valera_being_presented_a/
Irish President, Eamon de Valera being presented a sword by members of the pro Indian independence Ghadar Party in San Francisco, 1920.
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Members of the Congress Party such as Kamal Nath, who have openly bragged about their role in the anti-Sikh riots of 1984, are given promotions such as Chief Minister of Madhya Pradesh.

Those promotions carry the lucrative opportunity to establish social connections (loot).

ਆਦਿਸ਼ਕਤਿਸ਼੍ਰੀਚੰਡੀਰੂਪਇਹਪੂਜਨਜੋਗਸਦੀਵਾ। ਸਰਬਸੁਰਾਸੁਰਨਰਕਯਾਬਪੁਰੋਜਿਸਕੇਬਸਿਮਹਿਂਥੀਵਾ।੧੦।
The sword is the Aadi Shakti (primal energy) & is the very form of Sri Chandi (Goddess). One must always worship it. All demi-gods, goddesses, demon, & humans whose fate was kind contemplated upon this.

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'Won't leave': Women lead protest in India capital's Muslim area

As Shahin Kausar steps down from the makeshift stage set up in the Muslim enclave of Shaheen Bagh in the Indian capital of New Delhi, it is difficult to hear her speak.

Her words are no longer amplified through a sound system, and the man now holding the microphone is drowning her out with boisterous slogans.

It doesn't help that Kausar herself is also on the verge of losing her voice from weeks of shouting. But she is clear why she is in Shaheen Bagh.

"When I saw in front of my eyes, the passion in the people here, they were outraged... That's why I had to come and join," says the 44-year-old activist.

For more than two weeks now, protesters, such as the ones in Shaheen Bagh, have taken to the streets across India to oppose the passing of the contentious Citizenship Amendment Act (CAA), which critics say discriminates against Muslims and violates the country's secular constitution.

Protest led by women

In the Indian capital, the protesters of Shaheen Bagh - especially women such as Kausar - have stood out.

For 16 days now, these women have occupied a part of the main highway, blocking traffic between the capital and Noida, a satellite city. And they don't plan on going anywhere.

"We are here to fight for our rights, our concerns," says 53-year-old Tarannum Begum at the sit-in. "Until they take back their [policies], this will go on."

Away from the limelight of protests in Central Delhi - dominated largely by English-speaking protesters from higher socioeconomic backgrounds - Shaheen Bagh has become a symbol for more vulnerable communities on the fringes of the city.....

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#BREAKING: Sikh man Ravinder Singh murdered in Peshawar Pakistan, body pumped with bullets by 'unknown persons'. Usually 'unknown persons' in Pak means ISI/ISPR. Ravinder is brother of Pak journalist Harmeet Singh. He was in Peshawar to shop for his wedding. More details awaited.

https://twitter.com/AdityaRajKaul/status/1213744873133625344

 

 

I doubt English speaking journalists even understand slogans such as La Ila Illaha or Kafiron Se Azaadi lol.

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As Rukhsana Iftikhar of the University of Punjab, Lahore, observes in her study titled ‘Historical Fallacies’, in the reign of Shah Jahan, 36.5 percent of the entire assessed revenue of the empire was assigned to 68 princes and amirs and a further 25 percent to 587 officers. That is, 62 percent of the total revenue of the empire was arrogated by 665 individuals. Therefore, the Mughal period was a golden age only for kings, princes and some individuals. The subjects of Hindustan, the real custodians of this State, were lucky if they had a loaf of bread

 

https://www.pgurus.com/islamic-loot-how-the-mughals-drained-wealth-out-of-india/

This is beauty of India. All Indians - Sikhs, Hindus, Muslims and Christians come together to protest outside the Pakistan High Commission, New Delhi and then have Langar together on main road in brutal Delhi winters. This is love, service, compassion, humility and patience.

 

https://twitter.com/AdityaRajKaul/status/1213424672693354497?s=20

 

https://twitter.com/rsrobin1/status/1213828915577401345?s=20

 

https://twitter.com/AdityaRajKaul/status/1213827634833977344?s=20

 

#BREAKING: India strongly condemns the targeted killing of minority Sikh community member in Peshawar that follows the recent despicable vandalism & desecration of holy Gurdwara Nankana Sahib & unresolved case of abduction, forced conversion & marriage of a Sikh girl Jagjit Kaur.

MegB

A few things here. Firstly, we do not permit the posting of PM content on babble. That said Jatt47, do not EVER use a PM to abuse another babbler. 

Secondly Sean, if you expect me to be able to monitor each and every one of the hundreds of posts we get here each week with the handful of hours I'm given to do that (and a multitude of other tasks), you're going to remain disappointed. If you want me to intervene in a dispute, send me a PM with a link to the offending post(s) and I'll investigate. You all wanted a less heavy-handed approach to moderation, well, this is what it looks like.

voice of the damned

MegB wrote:

we do not permit the posting of PM content on babble.

Okay. My apologies.

Sean in Ottawa

MegB wrote:

A few things here. Firstly, we do not permit the posting of PM content on babble. That said Jatt47, do not EVER use a PM to abuse another babbler. 

Secondly Sean, if you expect me to be able to monitor each and every one of the hundreds of posts we get here each week with the handful of hours I'm given to do that (and a multitude of other tasks), you're going to remain disappointed. If you want me to intervene in a dispute, send me a PM with a link to the offending post(s) and I'll investigate. You all wanted a less heavy-handed approach to moderation, well, this is what it looks like.

I did send you a PM on this. You cannot ask people not to share PMs and then ignore them and then say I should have sent one. That is bullshit. I sent a PM before I made the comments about you not responding. What I raised was serious abuse and it has continued because you did not respond to PMs. You condoned Islamaphobia by not answering. Even if you thought I was wrong you could have answered. Yes, you do have time to answer a message like that. And no, I don't send messages often to you not averaging even once a year and not on trivial things.

So stop with the straw man. I NEVER SUGGESTED YOU HAVE TO MONITOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN YOUR PMS AND ANSWER THE ONES SPEAKING ABOUT THINGS LIKE ISLAMAPHOBIA AND PERSONAL THREATS AGAINST PEOPLE HERE.

FOR THE RECORD I NEVER SAID YOU EVEN HAD TO ANSWER RIGHT AWAY -- IS A MONTH LONG ENOUGH TO WAIT???

ok???????????????

Sean in Ottawa

Since you brought it up - I will share what I said to you and the date. This is not a message from you as there was no answer. I shoudl be able to share my message that you ignored.

"October 6

Hello Meg,

Please look at the India thread and let me know what you think of what has gone down there.

I think there are a number of serious issues there that need some attention. I have also recieved private messages from this person who is off the rails. This included this comment:

"Worry about your own safety, won't say anything more."

Thank you so much

Sean

October 20

It has been two weeks and you are ignoring Islamaphobia and support for ethnic cleansing. Read the India thread. Ban one of us.

Or please just post somewhere that this site is no longer moderated becuase it isn't."

Never got an answer. You really think that is so justified that you can criticize me here for being demanding????

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Found this comment interesting.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKpgxqthMtE

“Na kahu ab ki, na kahu tab ki - agar na hote Guru Gobind Singh toh sunnat hoti Sabhki,” - Allah Yaar Khan Jogi

ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।
 

 

Sean in Ottawa

jatt_1947 wrote:

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Found this comment interesting.

Sean, I thought we had resolved our issues? Have you not given up your quest to genocide Dharmics??

There are tens of thousands of Temples buried beneath Mosques/Church it is the peak of white supremacy and Abrahamic hegemony when you, Ken Burch or others say “get over it”.
You know clearly that no personal threats were made to you, and the collective context of worry about the safety of your people was already explained, TWICE.

The abrahamists in India have more than doubled in percentage since 1947. Across the Pakistan/Bangladesh border we’ve seen minorities decline from around a third to about 5%.
Selective outrage in favor of abrahamics who continue to enjoy special privileges in India while ignoring literal forced conversions of Dharmics, points to only the desire of Hindu/Sikh genocide.

In many places, pointing out atrocities against Sikhs/Hindus by Muslims is considered Islamophobia. The day is not long when pointing out colonial atrocities is dubbed “reverse racism”.

I posted it because of the moderator comment criticizing me for not sending a message which I had done. This last excahnge is more about the moderation questions she raised. I was very upset given the things you were saying and doing then and I think there is a wider question of a moderator saying that she is there if you approach her when in fact she is not.

The content of my message is less the issue than the fact that she is answering me in public suggesting I never approached her almost 3 months after the fact whining about not having time.

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https://www.cnbctv18.com/economy/indias-forest-cover-increased-by-over-5000-sq-km-since-2017-4973161.htm
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Some medieval Islamic scholar mentioned the 2 characteristcs which signify the people of Hind:

1. They do not know flight from battle
2. They keep Kesh 

ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।

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https://twitter.com/MissingPunjabis/status/1215265160425877504?s=20
 

https://twitter.com/abishekbagchi/status/1215277858639101954?s=20
https://twitter.com/sharmaAvl/status/1215234424729559040?s=20

https://twitter.com/BhurianWale/status/1215448997067771904?s=20

Judges banned animal sacrifice in worship of the Goddess, citing how tourists would feel about it! LOL

Also:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoZXboySl2I

Shikara movie trailer about Kashmiri Genocide.
Shikar can mean To hunt or is a term for prey.
Shikaar are also a type of boat common throughout Kashmir.

 

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Over 500 Sikhs have been displaced and had their homes demolished in Madhya Pardesh, the state where infamous politician Kamal Nath resides as chief minister.

Kamal Nath has been accused by police and media eyewitnesses of inciting violent crowds in Delhi, following the assassination of prime minister Indira Gandhi in 1984.

https://www.sikhpa.com/500-sikhs-made-homeless-in-kamal-nath-territory/

Nothing short of horrifying to see such a major media correspondent in India (with 3.7 million followers) wishing a man who led religious pogroms against Sikhs in 1984 such happy blessings. A tale of a decades long evil, normalized by the complacent

https://mobile.twitter.com/JungNihang/status/1216092504350699521

Over 500 Sikhs made homeless in Kamal Nath ruled Madhya Pradesh: https://sikhpa.com/500-sikhs-made-homeless-in-kamal-nath-territory/… No columns by (media) because it is okay to hound minorities if it is happening under Congress.
https://twitter.com/akdwaaz/status/1216104415343497217?s=20
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Let's think for a second that a mob assembled within minutes to destroy a temple marking the foundation of Sikhi.
Yet who is even speaking of it????

 

 

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Wishing everyone a very happy Lohri - a festival with ancient roots celebrated in Punjab and Jammu that has picked up so many various cultural and folk practices over the centuries. Awesome to see videos of how it is celebrated in various contexts within India as well as the West

In rural Punjab, the “sundar mundariye” boli dedicated to Dulla Bhatti (a massive folk hero) is one of my favorite features of the festival. Cannot find the clip but it precedes this iconic depiction of Lohri in Yash Chopra’s Veer-Zaara.

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https://twitter.com/JungNihang/status/1216860404791566336?s=20

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lohri
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dulla_Bhatti

Rai Abdullah Bhatti was the son of Muslim Landlords near Lahore, Panjab.
His grandfather had been converted to Islam, and both him and his father fought & died against Mughals in Rebellion.

Dullah Bhatti is famous for saving girls from Sex Traders.

Shah Hussain, a contemporary Sufi poet who wrote of him, recorded his last words as being "No honourable son of Punjab will ever sell the soil of Punjab".

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https://www.dawn.com/news/1472639

Found this interesting also, although..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwQQsJh3WQM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbuIu-n9Kow

josh

Fascism in action.

Indian General Talks of ‘Deradicalization Camps’ for Kashmiris

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/17/world/asia/india-kashmir-camps.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share

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Can you travel in a train ... without finding a Christian missionary who is trying to convert you ....?? NO .. in INDIA .. trains also have Christian missionaries
https://twitter.com/noconversion/status/1222040429979492352

"I am in India to convert Hindus into Christianity, catch me if you can.."
ie on visitor instead of missionary visa 
https://twitter.com/oldhandhyd/status/1221845397951303680

Months ago, a local church did not allow Thanjavur Brihadeeshwara Temple's chariot procession to pass through their street. Today Christians are part of protests demanding Tamil consecration to Brihadeeshwara Temple. Agenda is not the language, but to somehow stop the event.

The shocking fact to be remembered is the Thanjavur Big temple,in Tamil Nadu is 1000+years old, whereas the Christian church came in the street only recently. Now the Christian church is opposing the Hindu temple's centuries old annual religious procession throgh the street.
https://twitter.com/Ethirajans/status/990873417309085698
https://swarajyamag.com/news-brief/this-community-in-western-australia-w...
https://twitter.com/Ethirajans/status/1222323077918253056
 

Spiritual de-colonisation is something rarely discussed.
People speak of how white privilege applies even in the third world but never apply this to the ideological/religious realm.

https://www.opindia.com/2020/01/mumbai-police-issue-notice-to-christian-families-of-a-colony-for-harassing-hindu-families-not-allowing-them-to-perform-puja/

Muslim man Shahzad kidnapped hindu girl from #Meerut and took her to #ShaheenBagh. He wanted to convert her to islam there. Police rescued the girl and arrested Shahzad.
https://www.amarujala.com/amp/uttar-pradesh/meerut/police-has-arrested-accused-shahzad-for-taking-a-kidnapped-girl-to-shaheen-bagh

https://www.jammukashmirnow.com/Encyc/2020/2/4/February-2001-remembering-Massacre-of-Kashmiri-Sikhs-in-the-heart-of-Srinagar.html

 

https://youtu.be/2WQtUYv1_-s

josh

Hindu extremists are leading a deadly anti-Muslim pogrom in the Indian capital of New Delhi. 16 are now confirmed dead, 100s more are injured.

https://twitter.com/SikhProf/status/1232376801504235521

josh
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The intentional belittling and distortion of Sikh tradition by some historians is the result of an inherent inability in the establishment historiography to understand the social dynamics of Indic spirituality.

Establishment historians of India have always had a problem with Sikhism. Sikhism stands out as an egalitarian movement, rooted in Indic spirituality and chronicles and meticulously portrays the religious persecution suffered by Indian people. Some historians with their Marxist-M.N.Roy axiom say that monotheism is superior to Indic spirituality and have always tried to minimize as much as possible the importance of Sikhism in the Indian national movement. So, they categorize Guru Nanak as a monotheist under Islamic influence and the Sikh movement as a subaltern movement that can be explained best through leftist-Marxist equations.

https://swarajyamag.com/culture/the-nanak-our-establishment-historians-dont-want-you-to-know-about

Sean in Ottawa

jatt_1947 wrote:

The intentional belittling and distortion of Sikh tradition by some historians is the result of an inherent inability in the establishment historiography to understand the social dynamics of Indic spirituality.

Establishment historians of India have always had a problem with Sikhism. Sikhism stands out as an egalitarian movement, rooted in Indic spirituality and chronicles and meticulously portrays the religious persecution suffered by Indian people. Some historians with their Marxist-M.N.Roy axiom say that monotheism is superior to Indic spirituality and have always tried to minimize as much as possible the importance of Sikhism in the Indian national movement. So, they categorize Guru Nanak as a monotheist under Islamic influence and the Sikh movement as a subaltern movement that can be explained best through leftist-Marxist equations.

https://swarajyamag.com/culture/the-nanak-our-establishment-historians-dont-want-you-to-know-about

What are your thoughts on this?

https://www.hindustantimes.com/columns/delhi-riots-how-india-has-failed-its-riot-victims-twice-over-opinion/story-ayAaxwshwOTxxk34VmDSWL.html

https://www.marxist.com/riots-in-india-during-trump-s-visit-expose-brutal-nature-of-indian-ruling-class.htm

 

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I'll give you a detailed response since you asked nicely. :)

Barkha Dutt is a notorious Hinduphobe, she even gave targetting info to Pakistanis during Kargil war. She's directly responsible for the deaths of Jawans from Sikh & Naga Regiments.

Adam Pal is a christian name.
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Barkha finally wrote a decent article, I'm surprised she mentioned Hindu victims at all; shows the changing climate.
The story about the blind muslim couple searching for the body of their father was heartbreaking.

I haven't really been following too much tbh, I've seen tweets of muslim acid shops where the bottles have the name GangaJal (Ganga Water) on them as a way to target the religion of the Hindus. Obviously, the violence isn't one sided though||

I don't really marxists because the USSR asked Indira to attack Panjab & there's this story, 

A fascinating development that took place was Hindu youth joining the militancy in Punjab. India Today and Des Pardes provided some names (shown below). A contributing factor could have been that many of these Hindu came from rural Punjab and were more "Sikh" in nature.

The leftists in Punjab assisted the state forces during this time period, both on the political level and in the armed conflict. By the end of the militancy, their ranks had been decimated and as the author notes, lost quite a bit of prestige in siding with the government.

https://twitter.com/BhurianWale/status/1235740815843942400

I feel that their platitudes for the poor are merely to propel themselves to power, in contrast with Sikhi which has given shelter, status and empowerment (arms) to the poor.

Degh Tegh Fateh or Cauldron Sword Victory can alt be translated to Victory to Arms & Alms, both Shelter & Protection of the Poor||

I see the logical conclusion of the Indian national project (Hinduvta) as Khalsa, and so I kind of fade away from daily Indian politics because I know it can only take one direction: that set out by the Gurus.

The people of Bharat Khand have suffered for long, are currently divided between like 7 different nation states who all aim nukes at each other.

Back of the envelope calculations one time showed that if adjusted for PPP India, Afghanistan, Pakistan & Iran are all in the top 10 of military spendors and haven't known peace since before the time of Alexander.

The situation is sad beyond just the riots in Delhi, and that's my honest take.

Sean in Ottawa

jatt_1947 wrote:


I'll give you a detailed response since you asked nicely. :)

Barkha Dutt is a notorious Hinduphobe, she even gave targetting info to Pakistanis during Kargil war. She's directly responsible for the deaths of Jawans from Sikh & Naga Regiments.

Adam Pal is a christian name.
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Barkha finally wrote a decent article, I'm surprised she mentioned Hindu victims at all; shows the changing climate.
The story about the blind muslim couple searching for the body of their father was heartbreaking.

I haven't really been following too much tbh, I've seen tweets of muslim acid shops where the bottles have the name GangaJal (Ganga Water) on them as a way to target the religion of the Hindus. Obviously, the violence isn't one sided though||

I don't really marxists because the USSR asked Indira to attack Panjab & there's this story, 

A fascinating development that took place was Hindu youth joining the militancy in Punjab. India Today and Des Pardes provided some names (shown below). A contributing factor could have been that many of these Hindu came from rural Punjab and were more "Sikh" in nature.

The leftists in Punjab assisted the state forces during this time period, both on the political level and in the armed conflict. By the end of the militancy, their ranks had been decimated and as the author notes, lost quite a bit of prestige in siding with the government.

https://twitter.com/BhurianWale/status/1235740815843942400

I feel that their platitudes for the poor are merely to propel themselves to power, in contrast with Sikhi which has given shelter, status and empowerment (arms) to the poor.

Degh Tegh Fateh or Cauldron Sword Victory can alt be translated to Victory to Arms & Alms, both Shelter & Protection of the Poor||

I see the logical conclusion of the Indian national project (Hinduvta) as Khalsa, and so I kind of fade away from daily Indian politics because I know it can only take one direction: that set out by the Gurus.

The people of Bharat Khand have suffered for long, are currently divided between like 7 different nation states who all aim nukes at each other.

Back of the envelope calculations one time showed that if adjusted for PPP India, Afghanistan, Pakistan & Iran are all in the top 10 of military spendors and haven't known peace since before the time of Alexander.

The situation is sad beyond just the riots in Delhi, and that's my honest take.

Unlerss you want to say that you do not beleive that this is going on (despite video evidence) why spend so much time going after the messengers and then leaving it at that?

From what you say it seems you are okay with these attacks and riots so long as Hindus are not harmed? I wonder if I am misreading here becuase that is how you are coming across -- loud and actually pretty clear.

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No, I just put down my thoughts as I read it. You should re-read it especially the 2nd half..
I don't have a pro or anti-Muslim bias, and maybe that's the problem.

I'm well aware that while these riots were going on probably a dozen Hindu girls were kidnapped & converted in Sindh.
I see Muslims & Hindus as the same people, and I pointed out that Afghanistan has a military budget rivaling Canada in dollar terms!

I want to see the people of the subcontinent (Indo-Aryan) united and don't support India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Iran, Afg. etc.

For the record, Sikh Temples (Gurudawaras) have been open to all and are doing some of the most work in protecting people. I just didn't bring it up because it's undignified..

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https://twitter.com/SindhRoyal/status/1236502624532381696?s=20
Another Hindu girl Momal Meghwar was kidnapped, converted into Islam & married to kidnappers by Peer Ayub.
https://twitter.com/OIF0xBNhnJKSJMa/status/1236643700295364608?s=20

Whereas monotheists regard only their religion as true, polytheists regard all as true. However, to do this they must disregard one of the Abrahamic God's essential features: the claim to be the one true God.

Difference in opinion on what's right & wrong then (morality)

https://www.counter-currents.com/2014/06/moses-the-egyptian/

Both panta-en-pasin and Indra’s net express that individuality implies relation. Relations are not something external relations are in individuals in some fashion, they define the.
Aphrodite’s most intense devotees do not call her “Goddess of love,” , but Goddess of everything, for love connects us all.

https://henadology.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/wp32-butler-pp3538-version-2.pdf

A metaphysical concept & ultimately Shunyat or infinite (0) is a property of Hari.

In a sense, racism is an atheist concept because it reduces everyone to an amoral category. Tabula rasa doesn't punish bad action nor does it reward good. 
Liberalism/Progressivisms aims to preserve its own hegemony, its self-criticism on social issues is a ruse to hide the fact that ultimately other civilizations do not have the means to impose/enforce their own morality or even punish the West for its transgressions against its own morality; the opposite is not so true as America's wars over the last 20 years show.

The Cherokee marriage & fire ceremonies are v similar to the Vedic ones. The sense of sacred geography is the same:
"Extremely rare pics of Vedic eagle-shaped altar called Shyena-Chiti. The interesting thing about the Eagle-altar is that it looks like a map of the Indian Subcontinent."
https://twitter.com/Parikramah/status/1235981687558987777
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What is the context?
The natives of the Americas are not a hegemonic threat, paying lip service to their traditions is thus acceptable.
With other peoples racist theories such as the Aryan Invasion Theory or invention of caste serve to divide the populace and destroy its philosophical basis. 

Philosophy is ultimately practiced in group ritual but the inverse is just 'superstition'. Making people forget who they are is the most insidious crime and the idea of an objective morality which questions all others, is ultimately rooted in the same monothiesm which practices atrocity as the norm.

ਚਾਰੇਜੁਗਕਹਾਣੀਚੱਲਗਤੇਗਦੀ||
The tale of the Sword echoes through the 4 Ages.

JKR

I thought many forms of Hinduism believe in a monotheistic God, such as Krishna followers, Vedanta, Arya samaj, Samkhya school of Vedas etc,...

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Hola :)
Mohalla

https://twitter.com/shotsbysaini/status/1232855595235074048

Monothiesm is more about rejection than anything to do with Worship.
Covered in the wordpress link.
Vedanta doesn't deny the existence of other faiths/Gods but says they are part of one whole, and whether you call the Lord Odin or Krishna all is truth.

Ie if you had the concept all apples are cool that's is 'polytheism', even if you thought X apple is greatest it falls under that.
If you thought only X type of apple is the real apple and all others need to be destroyed = monotheism which is the same way neo-liberal democracy functions today.
https://medium.com/@kamalvirk/sikhi-and-the-gods-of-war-c332c3b876a5

"Sikhi is a rediscovery of the Vedic steppe & a reconceptualization of the Vedic sovereign."
the Sikh case remains unchanged: the ferocity attributed to Chandi is a direct evocation of the ferocity of the Khalsa war machine. It is an anarchic warriorship, simultaneously controlled yet manic, individual yet collective. The Nihang tradition of chakravarti is relevant here.

Chandi, then, represents for Sikhs a conception of war that is beyond militarism, beyond states, beyond even sovereignty itself. Hence the particularity of her appearance in scripture; she is not to be invoked haphazardly. Her purpose is specific, her means chaotic, but the outcome must be universal. What this entails, in practical terms, is a war without end, an indeterminate struggle beyond comprehension. Chandi is detached, exterior, pure and unreasonable, beyond institutionalisation (it is Indra who is crowned again). Yet she also remains immanent; she represents a sense of movement through war that cannot be captured but remains grounded nonetheless in an ethos of becoming. Her invocation is a fundamental ode to this higher essence, present not in her image but in the Khalsa which adopts it. All other lines of conflict pale in comparison.

With the arrival of Holi, a few thoughts on its history and observance within the Sikh tradition
https://twitter.com/JungNihang/status/1108409921161187328

Happy Holi.

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http://heritagefoundation.org.in/Download/articles/can_hindusim_project_thessalonica.pdf

Some months ago, I had written about Project Thessalonica, an evangelical project that systematically aims to attack Hindu festivals and institutions. Tamil Nadu is a major battleground for the Church where it is has been able to establish deep institutional control. The battle for Jallikattu has to be seen in that light.

What is Project Thessalonica?
“Project Thessalonica aims to stop or limit Hindu activity by converting people, who form the pillars of Hindu culture, festivals, traditions and activity…They are making environmental groups raise the voice so that Ganesh processions, Kumbh Melas and Jagannath Rath Yatras are limited…”[1]

ative festivals are part of a social ecosystem that binds people to native traditions. This is one reason native festivals have always been attacked as part of establishing Christian dominance. Let us look briefly at the timeline for the Jallikattu ban.

http://indiafacts.org/great-game-jallikattu/
http://indiafacts.org/dahi-handi-debacle-edict-thessalonica-attack-hindu-traditions/

Sean in Ottawa

jatt_1947 wrote:

http://heritagefoundation.org.in/Download/articles/can_hindusim_project_thessalonica.pdf

Some months ago, I had written about Project Thessalonica, an evangelical project that systematically aims to attack Hindu festivals and institutions. Tamil Nadu is a major battleground for the Church where it is has been able to establish deep institutional control. The battle for Jallikattu has to be seen in that light.

What is Project Thessalonica?
“Project Thessalonica aims to stop or limit Hindu activity by converting people, who form the pillars of Hindu culture, festivals, traditions and activity…They are making environmental groups raise the voice so that Ganesh processions, Kumbh Melas and Jagannath Rath Yatras are limited…”[1]

ative festivals are part of a social ecosystem that binds people to native traditions. This is one reason native festivals have always been attacked as part of establishing Christian dominance. Let us look briefly at the timeline for the Jallikattu ban.

http://indiafacts.org/great-game-jallikattu/
http://indiafacts.org/dahi-handi-debacle-edict-thessalonica-attack-hindu-traditions/

The context you write is significant: all festivals for all religions and all purposes need to be attacked right now.

The religious ones especially: the reason is there are far too many people who claim that their faith protects them and thinks their god will protect their gatherings. This is happening in the United Stupid of America and other countries.

josh

On 23 February 2020 in Delhi, Hindu nationalist mobs roamed the streets burning and looting mosques together with Muslim homes, shops and businesses. They killed or burned alive Muslims who could not escape and the victims were largely unprotected by the police. At least 37 people, almost all Muslims, were killed and many others beaten half to death: a two-year-old baby was stripped by a gang to see if he was circumcised

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/delhi-riots-news-narendra-modi-muslims-hindus-jammu-kashmir-trump-a9365376.html

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Sean u just can't help but be Hinduphobic huh?
Josh, even muslims suspect outside interference at this point but your narrative must stand: https://www.brownpundits.com/2020/02/29/delhi-riots-a/

Any ancient civ must be destroyed to guard the prestige of the white race.

https://youtu.be/K4a0Zx2pv7w

Delhi restaurant stops woman from entering for wearing Saree, says we don't allow such clothes

This is what the people who oppose Hinduvta & speak of westernization wish to continue.
A level of slavery in which a people's native customs and traditions are second class in their own lands||

Leftists only support Islam as a useful pawn as they don't respect actual Islamic scholars or viewpoints.
https://satyanrtam.wordpress.com/2017/02/20/language-and-discourse-why-the-issue-is-not-merely-about-sanskrit-or-english/

Sean in Ottawa

jatt_1947 wrote:

Sean u just can't help but be Hinduphobic huh?
Josh, even muslims suspect outside interference at this point but your narrative must stand: https://www.brownpundits.com/2020/02/29/delhi-riots-a/

Any ancient civ must be destroyed to guard the prestige of the white race.

https://youtu.be/K4a0Zx2pv7w

Delhi restaurant stops woman from entering for wearing Saree, says we don't allow such clothes

This is what the people who oppose Hinduvta & speak of westernization wish to continue.
A level of slavery in which a people's native customs and traditions are second class in their own lands||

Leftists only support Islam as a useful pawn as they don't respect actual Islamic scholars or viewpoints.
https://satyanrtam.wordpress.com/2017/02/20/language-and-discourse-why-the-issue-is-not-merely-about-sanskrit-or-english/

Despite your stupid comment I will remind you that Hindus do not have any special immunity to Covid19. The people most at risk of gatherings are the participants. So perhaps you are the one being "hinduphobic" or perhaps you are just being an ass.

I read a lot of Indian press. Yes, it is a concern in India. I also have friends there you jerk.

Being phobic of a particular group means a bias when absolutely nothing about my statement suggested any particular religion's gathering is different than any other. So please open your ass and extract your head. You have done this far too many times in this thread for polite tolerence of your bullshit.

JKR

jatt_1947 wrote:

Ie if you had the concept all apples are cool that's is 'polytheism', even if you thought X apple is greatest it falls under that.
If you thought only X type of apple is the real apple and all others need to be destroyed = monotheism which is the same way neo-liberal democracy functions today.


Doesn't liberal democracy insure freedom of religion through constitutional guarantees of individual unalienable rights? Liberal democracy's universal right of freedom of religion also allows people to be agnostic, atheistic, and to have the ability to change religions without coercion.

There are Jewish, Christian, and Muslim denominations that see other religions as being equal to their religion, such as Reform Judaism, the United Church of Canada, Sufism, etc....

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JKR I'll ask you to read this article: https://satyanrtam.wordpress.com/2017/02/20/language-and-discourse-why-the-issue-is-not-merely-about-sanskrit-or-english/

Liberal democracy is inherently imbued with white supremacy and is not a good system for many reasons. If you want to understand why, read the article. If you won't then this conversation cannot continue.

https://sankrant.org/2005/12/the-conversion-war-and-religious-freedom/

Sean, you responded to an article aboutwhite supremacist/christian missionaries wanting to ban Hindu festivals to convert/entice children with halloween/christmas which can't otherwise compete. The articles also tied these activities to similar occurences throughout christian history showing an inherent link to the ideology.

Given your Hinduphobic rantings in the past and the obvious knee-jerk reaction to the survival of Hindu Dharma, I have to conclude you're a stupid & bigoted person.
Your polite tolerance is not required for myself or the good people of the world to continue devotion to Vedic Dharma instead of your animal & child abusing western 'philosophies'.

The I have an X friend defense is getting old, you've used it at least 3 times.
White colonizers & their lackeys have never been anyone's allies & neither their reverance nor hate Pagans hour on rabble will continue.

Vedic Dharma is and always has been the path for humanity not half jacked foils such as the ideologies of Persia which form the core of all the mentally ill ravings westerners have called 'philosophy' these past millenia.

Throughout this thread not one positive thing has been said about BharataVarasha.
You have people claiming Aryan culture is 'intolerant' 'bigoted' 'fascist' when their own is merely bacon, maple syrup and a country which has states (provinces) younger than our grandparents. :)

Aryas do not consider the opinions of Mlecchas.
ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।

Sean in Ottawa

jatt_1947 wrote:

JKR I'll ask you to read this article: https://satyanrtam.wordpress.com/2017/02/20/language-and-discourse-why-the-issue-is-not-merely-about-sanskrit-or-english/

Liberal democracy is inherently imbued with white supremacy and is not a good system for many reasons. If you want to understand why, read the article. If you won't then this conversation cannot continue.

https://sankrant.org/2005/12/the-conversion-war-and-religious-freedom/

Sean, you responded to an article aboutwhite supremacist/christian missionaries wanting to ban Hindu festivals to convert/entice children with halloween/christmas which can't otherwise compete. The articles also tied these activities to similar occurences throughout christian history showing an inherent link to the ideology.

Given your Hinduphobic rantings in the past and the obvious knee-jerk reaction to the survival of Hindu Dharma, I have to conclude you're a stupid & bigoted person.
Your polite tolerance is not required for myself or the good people of the world to continue devotion to Vedic Dharma instead of your animal & child abusing western 'philosophies'.

The I have an X friend defense is getting old, you've used it at least 3 times.
White colonizers & their lackeys have never been anyone's allies & neither their reverance nor hate Pagans hour on rabble will continue.

Vedic Dharma is and always has been the path for humanity not half jacked foils such as the ideologies of Persia which form the core of all the mentally ill ravings westerners have called 'philosophy' these past millenia.

Throughout this thread not one positive thing has been said about BharataVarasha.
You have people claiming Aryan culture is 'intolerant' 'bigoted' 'fascist' when their own is merely bacon, maple syrup and a country which has states (provinces) younger than our grandparents. :)

Aryas do not consider the opinions of Mlecchas.
ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।

I have raised justice and human rights issues about many contexts. This is the very purpose of this place and I have been here almost 17 years. It is not Hinduphobic to be concerned about what is being done to Muslims in India nor is it Hinduphobic to be outraged at the idea of destroying architecture hundreds of years old to restore something that is gone long ago due to a previous crime (to build new).  That is revenge and not justice. I do not support the idea that a hundreds of years old crime justifies one being done today.

My source for most of my information about India (other than media) comes from Hindus who are not as hatefilled as apparently you are.

I despise nationalism and do not play favorites. Likewise with politics. I call out what I see as unreasonable and wrong even when it is among those I either associate with or could be associated with.

I am sick of your stupid personal attacks. I know that this site indulges your bullshit but that is what it is.

I am not defending my words as there has not been anything that need to be defended. I will not defend my right to speak up for justice and humanity - I assert it. You have been an asshole in this thread seeking to make your agenda exclusive. You have attacked anyone who puts up a comment that does not conform to your agenda and you have snowed this place with repeated high volumes of material buring any opinion that is not your own. 

I am not the only person concerned about what is happening in India. A good number of those people who give a shit are also Hindus.

Finally about this:

"Vedic Dharma is and always has been the path for humanity not half jacked foils such as the ideologies of Persia which form the core of all the mentally ill ravings westerners have called 'philosophy' these past millenia."

And you accuse me of being racist and phobic! You have piled on Islamaphobia here quite thick -- nobody has gotten away with it like you have. The twisted bullshit moderation here somehow is okay with you. Now you are after Persians. There is little real connection between the modern imperialism of Europe and Persia -- at least not any more than between ancient Aryans and the Nazis. What the fuck is wrong with you?

I am not Muslim. I am not an observer of any religion. I just do not like racist biggoted bullies like you who like to spray their hypocrisy around to preserve their own agenda.

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The satyantram link literally defends Muslims living under Sharia.

I'm not going to respond to your mentally damaged ramblings any longer.

ਸਤਿਸ਼੍ਰੀਅਕਾਲ।।

JKR

jatt_1947 wrote:

JKR I'll ask you to read this article: https://satyanrtam.wordpress.com/2017/02/20/language-and-discourse-why-the-issue-is-not-merely-about-sanskrit-or-english/

Liberal democracy is inherently imbued with white supremacy and is not a good system for many reasons. If you want to understand why, read the article. If you won't then this conversation cannot continue.

What type of political system do you think India should establish? How do you see India moving away from it's current constitutional liberal democratic republic?

Sean in Ottawa

jatt_1947 wrote:
The satyantram link literally defends Muslims living under Sharia. I'm not going to respond to your mentally damaged ramblings any longer. ਸਤਿਸ਼੍ਰੀਅਕਾਲ।।

So you are pretending the news from India is all fake news? You calling me deranged? 

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JKR wrote:

jatt_1947 wrote:

What type of political system do you think India should establish? How do you see India moving away from it's current constitutional liberal democratic republic?

Strengthen Panchayats & you'll get this or you'll get WW3.
Image result for akhand bharat

JKR

How should Panchayats (local government system) be strengthened?

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JKR wrote:

How should Panchayats (local government system) be strengthened?


Fight cow slaughter.

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Smiling at this reporter’s repeated queries about what motivated him and his son to make so many trips to save his neighbors, Singh said, “You have to understand that this is the belief and culture of our community. You may have heard the expression: nanak naam chardi kala, tere bahne sarbat da bhalaSarbat da bhala means that we want everyone to prosper. We did this to honour humanity and our 10 gurus whose central message is that we should act for everyone to prosper.” 

https://www.huffingtonpost.in/entry/delhi-riots-sikh-hero_in_5e58d37cc5b6beedb4e96580

(2) During that week, all Ontarians are encouraged to educate themselves and reflect on, as well as create awareness of, the Sikh genocide and other genocides that have occurred throughout the world
https://www.ola.org/sites/default/files/node-files/bill/document/pdf/2020/2020-02/b177_e.pdf

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https://twitter.com/narangestan/status/1211837965456019456
Santa Claus has its origins in the ancient Aryan religion of Mithraism. Santa’s hat come from the Phrygian cap worn by Mithra, and his outfit comes from the Scythian riding outfit which includes pants (invented by Iranians), as they made horseback riding viable.

More facts about Mithra since we’re already here: the Statue of Liberty (designed by Freemason Fréderic Auguste Bartholdi) incorporates a lot of Mithraic esotericism—the statue is thought to be Mithra himself.

even the HANDSHAKE was originally first used to establish the covenant of belonging to the Mithraic secret society (Remember: Mithra is the god of COVENANT)

https://twitter.com/narangestan/status/1192585809981034497

In Ancient Greece, if you were too fond of Persian/Median ideals, you would be found guilty of “Medism,” and possibly sentenced to death on the account of treason because of it.

Also worth nothing that the entire first generation of Greek philosophers lived not in mainland Greece, but in colonies that had been conquered by the Achaemenids. Thales of Miletus, Anaximander of Miletus, Xenophanes of Colophon, and Pythagoras of Samos

https://twitter.com/narangestan/status/1229623228244557824

https://twitter.com/narangestan/status/1211322487730049028
Indo-Iranians moving east to Japan, Korea, China etc.

between the Mithraic influence of Judaism under the Achaemenids, to the Mithraic influence of the Roman Empire, that Christianity comes out to be 80% Iranian!

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https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/gunmen-attack-sikh-religious-complex-kabul-interior-ministry-200325044905522.html

 

Afghan forces have killed gunmen who attacked a Sikh religious complex in the capital, Kabul, ending an hours-long siege that killed 25 people, the Ministry of Interior has said.

The attack on Wednesday was claimed by the ISIL (ISIS) armed group. Earlier, the Taliban armed group denied it was behind the siege that left at least eight others wounded. 

https://www.rbth.com/blogs/stranger_than_fiction/2016/12/14/gunboat-diplomacy-revisiting-the-enterprise-incident_657434

“Yahya hasn’t had such fun since the last Hindu massacre!” Kissinger remarked

" evidence that the American political leadership contemplated a nuclear strike on India."

 

Sean in Ottawa

I admit that I am astonished that the thread is not dealing with this crisis going on in India.

Here is the situation:

There are many, many, many migrant workers in India. They go to the cities to look for work. They are daily cash workers. They often live in hostels where they sleep but go out to eat. 

With the shut down the places they were eating are closed. The hostels are closed. The trains and buses are no longer running. The homeless shelters are overwhelmed. The country is in lockdown becuase its helathcare system cannot deal with a wider outbreak. The police are out in force with staves to literally beat the people ignoring the order to stay inside. These migrant workers are pleading becuase they can be beaten becuase they have nowhere to go, nowhere to eat and cannot get home.

In the meantime the head of the WHO is pleading with the richest countries in the world to support a stronger response to help countries without the means to deal with this pandemic. Most countries have brought in legislation to prevent export of equipment to protect healthcare workers. Most rich countries are facing pressure to reduce aid due to domestic emergencies. Knowing that the rich countries are self-interested, the WHO is reminding them that if this virus is unchecked in the developing world it will come back - with mutations - and cause a second wave where previous immunity will no longer work.

This is beyond sectarian politics. This is a human crisis.

I spoke to a friend who returned from India just ten days ago (she is still in quarantine here in Ottawa). Things were not bad when she left but she is fearful of what will happen to many in India.

India has well over a billion people - their economy is not in great shape right now. I am sure many of the services they export are now facing substantial job cuts. They do not have the economic strength to get through this.

People here know I dislike Modi. But like I said we are past that now. 

India needs urgent economic assistance or millions will die. I am not exaggerating. All of the wealthier countries need to contribute. All people of conscience should be calling their MPs to remind them how important it is to increase aid to fight this in places that are at risk. This includes India, Africa, in refugee camps, in Palestine.... Many people are told to wash their hands but have no access to water. Canadians need the government to care for them but also not to forget that we are part of a bigger world than Canada.

It is important that we convince the Trudeau government - which is offering some assistance -- to make it an essential part of the response to Covid19 and to press other wealthy countries to do their part. The EU barely is helping Italy.

Canada can also make work for Canadians making medical supplies for use here and to give to the places that need it and cannot afford it. We don't need Gazebo-style stimulus. We can retrofit factories to build worker safe workplaces to manufacture what is needed not just for here but elsewhere. We can socially distance for what is not essential. This help is essential.

Why is there any story in this thread bigger than this? India is facing a massive crisis and no matter what you think of the government the humanitarian need is overwhelming. They are not the only ones. Call your MP.

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Yogi Govt is not only helping the poor people who were walking back from Delhi to different places in UP, the buses are being sent to nearby states of Rajasthan and Bihar as well. Yogi has proved to be a great administrator, ever alert and sensitive to humanitarian concerns
https://twitter.com/VikasSaraswat/status/1243398330501099521?s=20

BREAKING : FM announcing package now for migrant workers, poor, vulnerable -1 lakh 70,000 crores. Cash transfers and "food security-related" requirements
https://mobile.twitter.com/suparna_singh/status/1243083987972571136

Sean in Ottawa

Fact is India has now 850 cases with 125 more today and nowhere near enough testing to know exactly where it is. The country is in no condition to stop the spreading. This is beyond political propaganda as any lies and false optimism will be disproven in weeks while people still remember.

bekayne

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

Fact is India has now 850 cases with 125 more today and nowhere near enough testing to know exactly where it is. The country is in no condition to stop the spreading. This is beyond political propaganda as any lies and false optimism will be disproven in weeks while people still remember.

20 tests per million as of today

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_testing

Sean in Ottawa

bekayne wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

Fact is India has now 850 cases with 125 more today and nowhere near enough testing to know exactly where it is. The country is in no condition to stop the spreading. This is beyond political propaganda as any lies and false optimism will be disproven in weeks while people still remember.

20 tests per million as of today

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_testing

They have nowhere near the resources they need

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