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kropotkin1951

Normally the really belligerent stuff is said by candidates trying to convince the blood thirsty American electorate that they have the right stuff to be CIC of the world police force.

I want the Iranians to know that if I’m president, we will attack Iran. In the next 10 years, during which they might foolishly consider launching an attack on Israel, we would be able to totally obliterate them.”

She endorses using cluster bombs, toxic agents and nuclear weapons in US war theaters. She calls them deterrents that “keep the peace.” She was one of only six Democrat senators opposed to blocking deployment of untested missile defense systems – first-strike weapons entirely for offense.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/hillary-clinton-if-im-president-we-will-at...

Sean in Ottawa

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Normally the really belligerent stuff is said by candidates trying to convince the blood thirsty American electorate that they have the right stuff to be CIC of the world police force.

I want the Iranians to know that if I’m president, we will attack Iran. In the next 10 years, during which they might foolishly consider launching an attack on Israel, we would be able to totally obliterate them.”

She endorses using cluster bombs, toxic agents and nuclear weapons in US war theaters. She calls them deterrents that “keep the peace.” She was one of only six Democrat senators opposed to blocking deployment of untested missile defense systems – first-strike weapons entirely for offense.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/hillary-clinton-if-im-president-we-will-at...

A number of the current Dem candidates have said similar things.

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iyraste1313

RED ALERT 

Iran vows to hit 35 US targets and unfurls red flag of WAR as America says it expects retaliation ‘within weeks’

Tonight, Lebanon's Hezbollah told Iraqi soldiers to leave US bases.

The Islamic political and militant group also warned Iraqi soldiers to stay at least 1,000 meters away from American military bases from Sunday onwards.

There are not believed to be any injuries after the rockets fell at the embassy compound - in the Iraqi capital's green zone - and near Iraq's Balad airbase.

Missiles also rained down on Baghdad's Jadriya neighbourhood - wounding five people, police said.

The chilling flag display is seen as a clear warning the Islamic Republic is ready to fulfil its worrying pledge to strike back at America and Donald Trump.

Chillingly written across the "war flag" were the words: "Those who want to avenge the blood of Hussein".

Red flags in Shiite tradition symbolise both blood spilled unjustly and serve as a call to avenge a person who is slain.

It was hoisted above the important Jamkaran Mosque which is on the outskirts of the holy city of Qom, about 100 miles south of Tehran.

It took to the skies as General Qasem Soleimani's daughter pleaded with the Iranian president to strike back over her father's death.

US SHIPS ON IRAN HIT LIST

“Who is going to avenge my father’s blood?” she was reported as asking Hassan Rouhani during his visit to the family's Tehran home.

“We will avenge, all of us will avenge his blood. Don’t you worry,” Mr Rouhani replied, according to Iraqi Kurdistan news site Rudaw.

The news came as an Iranian military leader said his forces had pinpointed dozens of US interests for attack including  “destroyers and warships” near the Persian Gulf and Tel Aviv.

General Gholamali Abuhamzeh warned of a possible attack on “vital American targets” located in the Strait of Hormuz in retaliation of Soleimani’s death.

“Vital American targets in the region have been identified by Iran since long time ago ... some 35 US targets in the region, as well as Tel Aviv, are within our reach," he said.

NATO has now suspended training of Iraqi security and armed forces in the region sparking more fears a full-scale conflict is imminent.

"The safety of our personnel in Iraq is paramount," acting NATO spokesman Dylan White said in a statement.

"We continue to take all precautions necessary. NATO's mission is continuing, but training activities are temporarily suspended."

UK The Sun

NDPP

Soleimani Was To Deliver Tehran's Reply to Saudi De-Escalation Letter When Killed : Iraq's PM

https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2020/01/05/615466/Soleimani-reply-to-Saudi-

 

"Iraq's caretaker prime minister Adel Abdul-Mahdi has said that Lieutenant General Qassem Soleimani was set to deliver Tehran's reply to an earlier Saudi message regarding de-escalation talks mediated by Baghdad when he was assassinated. The revelation came as Baghdad has been mediating talks between Tehran and Riyadh following a recent uptick of tensions in the region..."

 

"Iraqi PM Abdul Mahdi accuses Trump of deceiving him in order to assassinate Suleimani. Trump, according to the PM, lied about wanting a diplomatic solution in order to get Suleimani on a plane to Baghdad in the open, where he was summarily executed."

https://twitter.com/joshua_landis/status/1213862027426447361

 Washington should never be trusted. No matter the party or presidency in power. Only gullible, subservient vassals like Canada who have decided on abject subservience as a national policy will continue to acquiese and collaborate with Washington's mafia style imperialism and international dirty dealing. America will fail and fall.

NDPP

Canadian-Led NATO Mission in Iraq in Limbo As Alliance Stands Pat on Suspension

https://t.co/CHYshxUagE

"...Sidestepping questions about calls from Iraq for US and other foreign troops to leave that country, Stoltenberg says NATO will continue to speak with Iraqi authorities and stands ready to restart training efforts once the security situation improves. The training mission includes about 250 Canadian soldiers, while Canada also has dozens of special forces and other military personnel in Iraq, whose activities have similarly been suspended over fears of retaliation over the killing of Iranian General Qassem Soleimani..."

Collaborator Canada/NATO out NOW!

NDPP

Iraqi PM Reveals Soleimani Was on Peace Mission When Assassinated

https://thegrayzone.com/2020/01/06/soleimani-peace-mission-assassinated-...

"Exploding Trump's lie of 'imminent attacks'..."

 

Scott Ritter: Iran Holds All the Cards in Country's ME Conflict With US - Unless Trump is Ready to Drop a Tactical Nuke

https://on.rt.com/a8hi

"Iran has promised retaliation for the assassination of Qassem Suleimani. Donald Trump has said this will lead to a disproportionate response from the US. One side can deliver on its threats, the other can't unless it goes nuclear..."

 

Sayyed Nasrallah: Revenge For General Suleimani's Assassination Targets US Military, Not Civilians (and vid)

https://english.almanar.com.lb/908030

"Hezbollah Secretary-General Sayyed Hasan Nasrallah stressed Sunday that revenge for the assassination of General Qassem Suleimani targets the US army, not the civilians, adding that harming non-military citizens serves Trump policy. Sayyed Nasrallah's speech was in the context of a Hezbollah ceremony to mourn the head of IRGC's Al-Quds Force, the deputy chief of Iraq's Hashd Shaabs Committee Abu Mahdi Al-Muhandis and their companions who embraced martyrdom in a US drone attack at Baghdad airport..."

NDPP

Galloway: Trump 'United' Iraqis, Iranians by Killing Soleimani

https://youtu.be/a9d3m0Qq0vg

"Iraq passes resolution to rid the country of any foreign troops, obviously aimed at the US but other troops are there as well..."

When will Canada and Canadians respond to the lawful wishes of Iraq's government and people, apprehend the extreme peril of its troops in Iraq and the region, and pull them out? Or have Trudeau, Sajjan et al decided to obediently follow the dangerous defiant refusal of NATO, Washington and its clown president to withdraw, as we hurtle heedlessly towards the precipice of another Middle East?

(cue Canucklehead crickets)

Sean in Ottawa

Looks like Canada, NATO, the US and even Iraq are downplaying the idea the mission could end. It is more dangerous now but they may not go. Pressure on Canada from Canadian public to pull out in this context?

NDPP

Is it any wonder Iraqis want western soldiers gone?

The Genocidal Mindset of US Imperialism (and vid)

https://twitter.com/DabSquad_Slank/status/1213912581871677444

https://twitter.com/_SJPeace_/status/1214147897610113024

Canada's Secret War in Iraq

https://www.globalresearch.ca/canada-s-secret-war-in-iraq/8110

"How easy is it to make people believe a lie..."

 

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https://twitter.com/sonofnariman/status/1214145216577462274?s=20
https://twitter.com/mowzdef/status/1213947279645847554?s=20
Trump just gave the greatest martyrdom culture a martyr when they needed it most smh
 

Sean in Ottawa

NDPP wrote:

Is it any wonder Iraqis want western soldiers gone?

The Genocidal Mindset of US Imperialism (and vid)

https://twitter.com/DabSquad_Slank/status/1213912581871677444

https://twitter.com/_SJPeace_/status/1214147897610113024

Canada's Secret War in Iraq

https://www.globalresearch.ca/canada-s-secret-war-in-iraq/8110

"How easy is it to make people believe a lie..."

 

It is sad they were so desperate as to have ever wanted them to stay which this regime once did. It is also possible that they are in a position where again they may want them to stay.

We should have a better system where the UN would be non-partial and in a position to guarantee security rather than having to ask an imperialist army to stay and deal with the damage that same army created.

Sean in Ottawa

jatt_1947 wrote:

https://twitter.com/sonofnariman/status/1214145216577462274?s=20
https://twitter.com/mowzdef/status/1213947279645847554?s=20
Trump just gave the greatest martyrdom culture a martyr when they needed it most smh
 

Even previous warmongers avoided killing this guy for exactly this reason. Trump is somewhat like the previous ones only supider. And now willing to threaten civilians and cultural places.

NDPP

The Axis of Resistance Announces the Project That Will Avenge Qassem Soleimani

https://t.co/fHZUPHAd9w

"The media continue to tell fairytales about Qassem Soleimani and about Trump's decision to assassinate him and PMU leader Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis. Meanwhile, the Resistance has announced how it will avenge their deaths..."

 

Sounds realistic...enjoy.

https://twitter.com/MoonofA/status/1214037593588928512

"Over the past few days I've [msm journo] spoken extensively with [unnamed sources] career US government officials as they've worked around the clock to try and mitigate the damage from Trump's ineptitude on Iran. With their permission, I'm sharing a small taste from our lengthy conversations..."

NDPP

One of my favourite economists also has an interesting take on these recent events...

 

Michael Hudson: America Escalates Its 'Democratic' Oil War in the Near East

https://thesaker.is/america-escalates-its-democratic-oil-war-in-the-near...

"...The media and public discussions have diverted attention by floundering speculation that President Trump did it to counter the (non-) threat of impeachment with a wag-the-dog attack, or back Israeli lebensraum drives, or simply to surrender the White House to neocon hate-Iran syndrome. The actual context for the neocons' action was the balance of payments, and the role of oil and energy as a long-term lever of American diplomacy..."

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NDPP

Thanks for posting! I love that Carlin clip. Actually something has changed. The American duopoly may be good at starting wars but is less and less so at winning them. And this one may well be their last to lose.

 

The Inauthentic Opposition is 'Stunned' By A Crime It Encouraged

https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/01/06/the-inauthentic-opposition-is-st...

"The main problem with Trump's actions as depicted in much of the 'liberal' media isn't that it was an imperial war crime [or worse an imperial blunder!]. It's that it was ordered by the wrong president..."

 

Speeches That Still Matter:

https://youtu.be/gTbg11pCwOc

Gen Wesley Clark: US going to war with 7 countries in 5 years.

 

"The United States is the greatest danger to peace on the planet." - Ali Abunimah-

https://twitter.com/AliAbunimah/status/1213855053058060288

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OMG u read thesaker 2? I started reading his site since the Ukraine stuff started but I avoid posting a lot of sources because "right-wing"
http://thesaker.is/the-usa-is-now-at-war-de-facto-and-de-jure-with-both-iraq-and-iran/

I mostly read thesaker, paul craig roberts & akarlin for "news"
Then I have a few friends/contacts for Sikh/India stuff & overall

Manglacharan is my fav site & their insta even better. :)
Likeee

https://www.instagram.com/p/B6oevn-FWUz/

Guru Sahib's sword

https://www.manglacharan.com/post/guru-gobind-singh-ji-s-firearm

Or Guru Sahib's gun. :)

You have any sources you'd recc NDPP??
A lot of the places I used to read over the years start ranting about 'conspiracy' stuff and ignoring cause-effect.

I don't link the Unz Review for ex because Ron Unz writes 10,000 word polemics against the Holocaust..
I kind of disengaged from politics and just focus on cultural issues these last few years.
I know we can all get along some way or another.. Humans, animals, plants||

NDPP

Thanks. My sources are varied as are the platforms I find them on. Read my postings/urls and you'll see where my info comes from. Here's one of the better estimations of this current situation I've come across. Little cause for optimism unfortunately.

Fragmentation In the Axis of Resistance Led To Soleimani's Death

https://ejmagnier.com/2020/01/05/fragmentation-in-the-axis-of-resistance...

"...The US struck Iran at the heart of its pride by killing Major General Soleimani. But the 'axis of the Resistance' killed him before that. This is how..."

Dismal prospects from a knowledgeable source. The Americans, Canadians, Australians and other imperial predators may hunker down in their various  bolt holes for a while but with a weak and divided Iraqi government and a demonstrated lack of unified military capability or willingness to push the foreign occupiers out, it is likely they will stay.

NDPP

Trump Reveals Possible Re-election Plan  (and vid)

https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1212964847706505217

 

'Jesus Christ!' (and vid)

https://twitter.com/JoshuaPotash/status/1213232103598567437

"We're on the verge of war with Iran...and Trump is having a dear leader worship session."

'Praise the lord and pass the ammunition.'

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NDPP wrote:

Thanks. My sources are varied as are the platforms I find them on. Read my postings/urls and you'll see where my info comes from. Here's one of the better estimations of this current situation I've come across. Little cause for optimism unfortunately.

Fragmentation In the Axis of Resistance Led To Soleimani's Death

https://ejmagnier.com/2020/01/05/fragmentation-in-the-axis-of-resistance...

"...The US struck Iran at the heart of its pride by killing Major General Soleimani. But the 'axis of the Resistance' killed him before that. This is how..."

Dismal prospects from a knowledgeable source. The Americans, Canadians, Australians and other imperial predators may hunker down in their various  bolt holes for a while but with a weak and divided Iraqi government and a demonstrated lack of unified military capability or willingness to push the foreign occupiers out, it is likely they will stay.


They'll stay in the outskirts but they've been pushed out of Baghdad.
Iraq will be screwed up as long as the Levant is, which relies on Turkey (Anatolia), which relies on Turan, which relies on Panjab, who rely on God.. lol.

Every air force in the middle east put together couldn't tackle the USA & there's also Israel.. Who makes up for a dampened spirit with tech.
 

NDPP

Galloway  - 'We Are On The Brink of War' (full monologue & vid)

https://t.co/Bm9p1sNiCd

"The site of Iranian retaliation in my view will be the Persian Gulf...probably in Bahrain."

 

Iranian MPs Declare All US Military 'Terrorist Entity' After General Soleimani Killing

https://twitter.com/timand2037/status/1214498691257552897

"US Armed Forces are now 'terrorists' under an urgent motion by Iraqi MPs: 'Personnel of the Pentagon, all affiliated companies, institutions, agents and commanders' are members of a terrorist entity."

And quite correctly declared and recognized to be so too. In some future, better, less subservient and criminally collaborationist Canada, the truth would demand our own representatives declare the same.

NDPP

After Assassinating Top Iranian General, US Denies FM Zarif Visa To Attend United Nations Security Council Meeting

https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2020/01/07/615555/Iran-Zarif-US-visa-UN-m...

"Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif has denounced Washington's refusal to issue him a visa for attending an upcoming United Nations Security Council meeting. The US visa request denial is an outright violation of the terms of a 1947 UN agreement which requires Washington to allow foreign officials into the country for UN affairs..."

I'm sure, since Canada itself aspires to one of the rotating UNSC seats, that Canadian MPs can be counted upon to do the right thing by registering their complaints with  US authorities for this outrageous interference. Please email your MP requesting  their prompt attention and action on this matter as Minister Zarif was supposed to attend an urgent UNSC session to discuss this crisis on January 9, 2020.

NDPP

Pushback with Aaron Mate: Trump's Aggression (and vid)

https://twitter.com/aaronjmate/status/1214570320306278405

"Ex-Bush official Lawrence Wilkerson on Trump's Iran aggression: Same neocon lies, new target..."

 

Trump Assassinated Man Brokering Peace

https://twitter.com/medeabenjamin/status/1214400985222778880

"I don't understand why it's not all over mainstream news that Soleimani was going to meet the Iraqi PM to respond to mediation with Saudi Arabia to EASE regional tensions, but instead was murdered by Trump."

NDPP

Trump Disregards Canada, Allies With Killing of Top Iranian General: Ex Ambassador

https://t.co/tAPEJFtzpi

"Barack Obama's former ambassador to Canada says President Donald Trump's decision to order the killing of a top Iranian general represents the latest instance of the mercurial US president throwing allies such as Canada under buses. These decisions caused serious headaches for American allies, including Canada, while Friday's killing has imperilled the NATO training mission in Iraq that Canada currently leads says Bruce Heyman.

Iraq is ordering all international troops out of the country because it views the American attack on its soil as a violation of Iraqi sovereignty. Heyman was the American diplomat who helped broker Canada's entry into Iraq in 2014 as a US ally in its fight against the spread of Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) in that country and neighbouring Syria. 'We were partners in this, in reducing tensions' Heyman said an interview. 'What concerns me, at least as publicly reported, is that the US did not consult with our allies prior to this action. And if that is the case, it put Canada and others in a fairly difficult and complex situation on the ground..."

 

Canada Relocating Some Troops From Iraq To Kuwait Due to Safety Concerns: Vance

https://t.co/tesrp1SAhb

"Over the coming days, and as a result of Coalition and NATO planning, some of our people will be moved temporarily from Iraq to Kuwait,' Vance said. 'Simply put, we are doing this to ensure their safety and security.' Western troops in Iraq have been on high alert since the killing of an Iranian general by a US drone at the Baghdad airport on Friday night.

A leaked letter from the US general commanding the anti-ISIL coalition to Iraq's defence ministry on Monday suggested the coalition to which Canada belongs was preparing to pack up and withdraw from the country. But US Defence Secretary Mark Esper and the Americans' top general, Mark Milley, insisted no decision had been made..."

Big vassal problems and imperial head office in confusion and disarray it seems. Pity there's no detectable political pulse in Canadian civil society to pull us out of the various dangerous and failing foreign entanglements we find ourselves supporting, sometimes hilariously referred to as 'the rules-based international order.' Pity the NDP is a No Difference Party.

NDPP

BREAKING: IRAN STRIKES BACK...

IRGC Targets US Airbase in Western Iraq (and vid)

https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2020/01/07/615621/IRGC-Ain-al-Assad-airba...

"Iran's Islamic Revolution Guards Corps (IRGC) has targeted the US airbase of Ain al Assad in Anbar province in Western Iraq after vowing to retaliate for the US assassination of top Iranian anti-terrorist commander Lt Gen Qassem Soleimani. 'Tens of surface-to-surface missiles' were fired at the strategic airbase and the attack was later confirmed by US officials.

The IRGC has called for a complete withdrawal of US troops from the Arab country, asserting that it would not differentiate between the US and Israel in retaliating against the assassination of the Iranian national hero. The IRGC added it would release more details about the strike. Pentagon spokesman Jonathan Hoffman added that the bases targeted were  at al Assad air base and another in Erbil*, the capital of Iraq's semi-autonomous Kurdish region..."

(*The US/Israeli Kurdish petro proxy KRG is also one of the locations of CF special forces in Iraq. By all accounts no casualties reported)

"6 rockets reported landing on the US military base in Iraq and two more rockets hit the US consulate in Erbil but thankfully there's no report of casualty so far..."

https://twitter.com/DaneilRasteen1/status/1214709541302132742

iyraste1313

Please keep us posted re Canadian political response...this must be documented...we are entering a new political era

NDPP

Blowback From Soleimani Assassination Increases as Iraq Reveals How Trump Tried to Steal Its Oil

https://t.co/eJRhgz6IWT

"The blowback from Trump's assassination of Major General Qassem Soleimani and PMU leader Abu Mahdi al Muhandis is increasing. A scandal is developing as one consequence of Trump's evil deed after Iraq's Prime Minister Adel Abdul Mahdi revealed the gangster methods US President Trump used in his attempts to steal Iraq's oil. Below we follow today's developments...The chicken-hawks of Israel, Saudi Arabia and the UAE, who have all lobbied the US for war on Iran, now fear the consequences..."

NDPP

Canada Didn't Have Details on Planned US Strike that Killed Soleimani: Sajjan

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/canada-didn-t-have-details-on-planned-u-...

"Canada's National Defence Minister Harjit Sajjan says the United States did not provide details of its targeted airstrike in Baghdad, Iraq that killed Iranian Gen Qassem Soleimani - despite the fact that Canada, an ally, has troops in the region. In an interview Monday with CTV Power Play host Evan Solomon, Sajjan said Canada was aware of 'threats' made against its personnel. He also said that the US had also indicated it would 'take action'. 'We didn't have the exact information for the event that took place,' says Sajjan..."

This sounds very much like a limited hang-out on Sajjan's part and I conclude in some form or another Canada was advised.

NDPP

The Fascinating History and Political Lives of Jews in Iran

https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/12/27/the-fascinating-history-and-poli...

"Iranian Jews are anything but trapped victims. They are full political actors with rich political histories and valuable interfaith allies. So how can we support their efforts? As American Jews and non-Jews, we should be outraged at how the Trump administration is endangering Iranian civil society. For the sake of all who live in Iran - Muslims, Christians, Jews and more - we must push Congress and whoever gets sworn into office in January 2021 to lift the brutal, inhuman sanctions, rejoin the Iran nuclear deal and move toward normalizing relations..."

 

NDPP

Miko Peled: An Act of Cowardice: US Assassination of Soleimani Puts US-Israeli Fear of Iran on Full Display

https://www.mintpressnews.com/us-assassination-qasem-soleimani-us-israel...

"The assassination, which was an act of cowardice, one may safely assume was concocted by Benjamin Netanyahu, another corrupt, reckless coward who is fighting for his political life. This, like the rest of the Trump administration's Mideast and Iran policy, had to have been prescribed by the Prime Minister of Israel..."

And few are more qualified to say so than Miko Peled.

NDPP

Iran FM Javad Zarif: CNN Interview

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2020/01/07/iran-soleimani-javad-zarif-d...

"Is the US more secure because of this..?"

Sean in Ottawa

Plane crash in Iran. Many on board students as cheap flight - at least a number coming to Canada - My Iranian friends know them on Telegram group.

 

Sean in Ottawa

also Iran TV reporting 80 Americans dead. Either not true or with Trump tweet that all was well a major attack on Iran tomorrow. I suspect that it would be impossible for the US to cover up 80 dead or to send a tweet like that without severe consequences so I suspect that this is not true but with Trump you never know. 

Sean in Ottawa

NDPP wrote:

Iran FM Javad Zarif: CNN Interview

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2020/01/07/iran-soleimani-javad-zarif-d...

"Is the US more secure because of this..?"

Obviously not. this was not in US interest. May help push US out of Iraq so perhaps other countries may gain or Trump base. But the US strategically gain nothing here.

NDPP

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

Plane crash in Iran. Many on board students as cheap flight - at least a number coming to Canada - My Iranian friends know them on Telegram group.

 

NDPP wrote:

Here it is. How unfortunate.

Ukrainian Passenger Jet Crashes in Iran All 169 on Board Dead

https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2020/01/08/615629/Iran-Ukraine-plane

"A Ukrainian passenger plane with 169 people on board has crashed shortly after take-off from the international airport south of the Iranian capital Tehran, killing all aboard."

Sean in Ottawa

NDPP wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

Plane crash in Iran. Many on board students as cheap flight - at least a number coming to Canada - My Iranian friends know them on Telegram group.

 

NDPP wrote:

Here it is. How unfortunate.

Ukrainian Passenger Jet Crashes in Iran All 169 on Board Dead

https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2020/01/08/615629/Iran-Ukraine-plane

"A Ukrainian passenger plane with 169 people on board has crashed shortly after take-off from the international airport south of the Iranian capital Tehran, killing all aboard."

Yes, there are a number of immigrants to Canada from Iran who were on that plane. One person went to Iran to bring back his wife. He missed the plane but she got on it. They were living here. another was a student on the Iranian group and people here had arranged to pick her up from the airport.

Tragic.

Possibly it is mechanical. Also possible that it was mistaken by anti-aircraft defences? It was taking off at the time Tehran would have been most on edge as US forces strike just before dawn. If this is the case just imagine the person defending his city thinking he was saving them from one plane's attack and have it turn out to be 180 people mostly Iranian. These are the things put in motion by a chain of events. Many lives broken as well as lost.

NDPP

Noam Chomsky: US is a Rogue State and Suleimani's Assassination Confirms It

https://truthout.org/articles/noam-chomsky-us-is-a-rogue-state-and-sulei...

"...Suppose that Iran were to murder the second-highest US official, its top general, in the Mexico City international airport along with the commander of a large part of the US-supported army of an allied nation. Would that be an act of war? Others can decide. It is enough for us to recognize that the analogy is  fair enough, and that the pretexts put forth by Washington collapse so quickly on examination that it would be embarrassing to run through them...There's quite a lot to consider about what the conflict's about. In a phrase, primarily imperial power, damn the consequences."

 

Javad Zarif: FM of Iran

https://twitter.com/JZarif/status/1214736614217469953

"Iran took & concluded proportionate measures in self-defense under Article 51 of the UN Charter targeting the base from which a cowardly armed attack against our citizens and senior officials was launched. We do not seek escalation or war, but will defend ourselves against any aggression."

NDPP

Galloway: On the Death of Soleimani (and vid)

https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1214735977404604417

"The international situation has seldom been more dangerous..."

 

Petition: Tell Justin Trudeau - Keep Canada Out of Trump's Iran Conflict

https://twitter.com/jdgeipel/status/1213518463035232256

"Sad to say that Justin Trudeau and Chrystia Freeland have supported so much of Trump's horrible foreign policy agenda, it's not unthinkable they would join a conflict. FM Champagne's statement was worrisome to say the least. Keep Canada Out of Trump's Iran Conflict!

Sean in Ottawa

There ought to be a major Canadian effort to press the Canadian government to get out of Iraq now if they are not announcing that tomorrow. Better yet get out of the Middle East.

NDPP

I entirely agree. Nor has there ever been a more propitious time for people here to demand it and a national incentive to make it happen. High time Justin Trudeau et al got off their knees servicing Trump, NATO (and Netanyahu) and did something good for Canada and the Middle East for a change. An announcement that in furtherance of these aims all Canadian Forces were being instructed to leave the region and return home might even get him that UNSC seat he lusts after.

NDPP

Canadian Military Personnel in Iraq Safe After Base Targeted in Iran Missile Strikes

https://globalnews.ca/news/6379854/canadian-military-evacuating-canadian...

"The Canadian Forces have flown dozens of Canadians, Americans and other allied troops out of Iraq ahead of Iranian missile strikes on multiple military bases. The attack began around 1:30 am local time Wednesday in Iraq and targeted American and allied troops at two military bases in Iraq: The Ain Al Adel bse and another near Erbil. Canadian soldiers are stationed in Erbil. Chief of Defence Staff General Jonathan Vance tweeted Tuesday evening that all Canadian military personnel in Iraq are safe. The DND is still assessing what happened and Canadian special operations forces remain in Iraq.

Domestically, sources say some Canadian police and national security organizations are preparing to move into a heightened state of readiness due to concerns of Iranian assets in the country...A senior Canadian military source says Canada is waiting to see what the American response to the attack will be..."

WTF?!

NDPP

Russia Offers Iraq S-400 Air Defense System To Protect Airspace

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/russia-offers-iraq-s-400-air-defens...

"According to the report, the Iraqi military may purchase the Russian S-400 system after it was offered to them to 'ensure the country's sovereignty and reliable protection of airspace..."

How Scary is the Russian S-400 SAM?

https://sofrep.com/fightersweep/how-scary-is-the-russian-s-400-sam-system/

"Simply stated, of all the surface to air threats faced by coalition airpower over Syria, the Russian S-400 SAM...is the most capable and lethal long-range air defense missile-system on the planet..."

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Sean in Ottawa

The air crash seems to have multiple possible explanations and one gigantic question:

Explanations not in any order:

1) bird or drone strike at the airpost on takeoff. Surveilance drones would be expected particularly after the night before and mistakes are possible

2) Sabotage by anyone of

3) Plane being shot down by mistake

4) Plane being shot down on purpose (Iranians have told me that this has been done and even later admitted twice before as deflection). The Iranians advised the Iraqis that they were taking revenge last night and the Iraqis advised the Americans which is why no deaths occurred. Theory is that the Iranians did not want Iraqi deaths -- but second theory is they wanted a show of attacking the US but no American deaths as it would cause an all-out war they do not want. Idea is that downing plane deflects attention of the people to this part of the story. If so, I do not think it would work anyway.

5) Actual mechanical failure of the engine

Evidence would expose all of  this and that evidence cannot be held back -- I will explain.

The black box can be denied to the US and to Boeing directly but this information is shared among experts and unless they deny it to everyone all can see and comment. Evidence of each of these things is very obvious.

There are photos showing holes due to shapnel

The timing of the engine fire is critical. An engine failure in flight does not risk a plane but it can on takeoff as it can prevent the plane from getting enough lift or ability to turn and land back down. If this happened it could support mechanical failure possibilities but these would be confirmed or denied by inspection. 

Shrapnel can be cause by three things:

1) a bomb on board

2) a missile or ground fire

3) engine failure causing an explosion (debris from the engine cause the holes)

The pictures of the debris pattern makes only one of these possible.

At the end of the day there is an even more serious question. The plane took off before dawn from an airport of a couuntry that just was involved in hostilties the night before. Why was the airport open during the time Americans were widely expected to attack if they were to do so (in darkness before dawn is an established pattern as US tech gives them advantages then)? Why did the Ukrainian airline take off at 6:18 when daylight was an hour at most or minutes away? 

If there is any connection between the hostilites and the crash, Ukraine will have to know and will have to answer for the departure time. 63 Canadian families can be asking their lawyers that question. With Ukraine flying  into Canada this is not an abstract legal question as they operate here and can be sued here.

Boeing after the year they have had, has to know what happened if it is not their fault on their widely considered popular safe plane.

The Iranians cannot conceal crucial information becuase while they can deny sending the boxes to Boeing, they cannot deny Boeing from virtual examination of the data unless that is prevented at which point they will look to be certainly guilty. How many airlines would want to fly into Iran then?

All this goes back to a chain of events with Trump but there ought to be no assumption that anyone is innocent -- not Ukraine, Iran, Boeing, the US or others. This tragedy has a cause and someone - or multiple people - are responsible. It would take a massive and probably impossible conspiracy to keep it from coming out. 

My gigantic questionbtw is whay it took off at that hour when a brief delay of less than 2 hours would have made it much, much safer.

kropotkin1951

I think that when you fly regularly in and out of the hottest areas of the Middle East you just keep to the schedule. How often would saber rattling or Israeli air strikes promote fear of a imminent conflict involving Iran or Israel? Of course if this was not a regular scheduled route but one of the charter flights the airline offers that would be a different question, in my mind.

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iyraste1313

Anti-War Solidarity Rally- No War on Iran/Iraq!...

Thanks for this...thanks to the organizers!

Thankfully there is respite in the potential for WWIII....what is especially frustrating is to see so called progressives and leftists putting the blame totally on the personage of Trump...what is obvious is that there are intense pressures on Trump, which is why his administration has stood down and not counter attacked, based on the lie that there were no casualities from the Iranian missile launch.

What is also clear is something is seriously wrong with the USA´s supposed missile defence, if there were even any at the base of attack, where not one Iranian missile was shot down!

The USA thankfully has temporarily retreated. Trump is not a doctrinaire war monger...and is under pressure. Pressure must come from the grass roots to stand down and negotiate.

It is so irritating to think that some on the left may actually support the hawks in Washington, to retaliate with force.

Such a retaliation will mean Iran will shoot missiles into Israel......for sure the start of WWIII!

Sean in Ottawa

kropotkin1951 wrote:

I think that when you fly regularly in and out of the hottest areas of the Middle East you just keep to the schedule. How often would saber rattling or Israeli air strikes promote fear of a imminent conflict involving Iran or Israel? Of course if this was not a regular scheduled route but one of the charter flights the airline offers that would be a different question, in my mind.

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Kyiv - Amsterdam, Kyiv - Tbilisi, Odesa - Istanbul, Kyiv - Warsaw, Kyiv - Prague, Kyiv - Barcelona, Kyiv - Tel Aviv, Odesa - Tel Aviv, Kyiv - New York, Kyiv - Bangkok, Kyiv - Rome, Kyiv - Berlin, Kyiv - London, Kyiv - Copenhagen, Kyiv - Milan, Kyiv - Odesa, Kyiv - Paris, Kyiv - Toronto, Kyiv - Izmir, Kherson - Burgas, Kyiv - Palma de Mallorca

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Ridiculous. It was less than an hour from daylight. Not much of a delay and certainly not a normal day by Middle East standards. How many times a year does a country strike at US Military bases directly? When was the last time?

And your comment is contradicted by the FAA which had already called for no fly area before this plane took off.

 

NDPP

Clearly the crash is worthy of its own thread which I have opened up for the purpose thanks.

NDPP

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"We have entered a new phase in the 'War on Terror', namely the wholesale rejection of the premises of the 'War on Terror' by much of the world. For the past 8+ years, the United States and its shameful vassals have sought to dismember and occupy any country capable of asserting independence, and resisting its plan for global domination. Only a few voices within the imperial core dared resist. That is changing. It is for us citizens of the empire to rise up. Canada must join too - the antiwar movement is coming back! It is time to have politicians who represent our interests and not those of the empire. Our actions should be directed toward transforming the political landscape. The political leaders lag behind the people immensely! We need an anti-war government!"

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