Kremlingate part 2

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LMAO Gee I thought voter suppression was an ingrained part of the US electoral system. Its now going to be Putin the evil masterminds fault. US voter suppression started before he was even born.

josh

The Senate Intelligence Committee concluded that the Russian government used social media in the 2016 election to help President Trump secure victory and hurt the Hillary Clinton campaign, the panel said in an 85-page report released on Tuesday.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/read-senate-intel-concludes-russia-intervened-in-2016-to-boost-trump

NDPP

Here They Go Again: Senate Reheats 'Russian Meddling' Claims, Using Assertions as Evidence

https://on.rt.com/a30x

"The Senate Intelligence Committee's final report on 'Russian Interference' in the 2016 US presidential election is short on evidence and long on reheated assertions and innuendo from 'experts' exposed as actual election meddlers. There is little new in the 85-page, partially redacted document released on Tuesday, that has not been made public by the committee previously - including the accusations that 'Russia' focused on stoking anger and resentment among African Americans, for example..."

'Damn Russia stirring up the blacks again!' More naught but simple shit still fervently clung to by msm gullibles, Russophrenics and TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome) sufferers everywhere. Shhh. It's not polite to laugh.

josh

So it has now been established that Russia hacked the DNC and Clinton's campaign manager, and disseminated the information.  In an effort to elect Trump.  And engaged in an online disinformation campaign.  In an effort to elect Trump. 

We uncorked a tiny bottle of champagne … took one gulp each and looked into each other’s eyes …. We uttered almost in unison: ‘We made America great."

https://secondnexus.com/news/senate-intelligence-committee-russia-toast/

NDPP

Drivel and nothing-burgers.  No such thing was 'established' and can't ever be because it never happened. What was established was that it was a leak not a hack. Which is why the DNC refused to give up the servers to the FBI. And why NSA can't produce the evidence either.

josh

Both have been established beyond a doubt.  Which is what Muller, through his indictments and report, concluded.

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

josh wrote:

Both have been established beyond a doubt.  Which is what Muller, through his indictments and report, concluded.

So you say, josh, but anything that disagrees with the opinions of NDPP and Aaron Mate is obviously Fake News, courtesy of the Deep State. Just ask Bill Binney next time he appears on Info Wars to help Alex Jones sell dietary supplements.

NDPP

'Top Secret' Russian Unit That 'Destabilizes Europe' is a Well Known Small Arms Training Base

https://t.co/btzkgtROZG

"Two days ago the New York Times published a sensational story about alleged Russian fiendishness. It was headlined Russian Unit Seeks to Destabilize Europe Security Officials Say...How a training unit with a well-known commander, which existed for more than 50 years and has pictures of its premises publicized can be 'top secret' is a mystery. But what is understandable is that some author writes 2,000 words of such nonsense. It obviously pays well."

NYT: manufacturing stupid Russophobe conspiracy theorists since who knows when...?

NDPP

'This is the Enduring Sickness of Russiagate'

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1182309703562518528

"Amazing: this new Fox poll shows the groups that most trust the CIA - THE CIA! - are liberals, Democrats & Clinton voters. 77% Of Dems trust the CIA; only 22% don't. 64% of liberals trust CIA; 22% don't. This is the enduring sickness of Russiagate/MSNBC."

 

The CIA Takeover of the Democratic Party

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/03/13/pers-m13.html

 

contrarianna

Michael Moriarity wrote:

josh wrote:

Both have been established beyond a doubt.  Which is what Muller, through his indictments and report, concluded.

So you say, josh, but anything that disagrees with the opinions of NDPP and Aaron Mate is obviously Fake News, courtesy of the Deep State. Just ask Bill Binney next time he appears on Info Wars to help Alex Jones sell dietary supplements.

No, despite the fear-mongering claims of US security state agencies and its media and partisan promoters, that has not been established. 

Some Russian internet interference is probable, but there is meager evidence of any massive  funding or sophistication. The known evidence suggests that the commerical clickbait farm, the Internet Research Agency spawned reems of illiterate, for profit, click-through ads across the political and non-political spectrum which were more prevalant after the election. 

When Mueller (GW Bush's FBI head and promoter of the Iraq WMD lie) indicted the sleezy Russian Internet Research Agency click-bait farm, he was shocked when their lawyers actually showed up for pre-trial--Mueller then asked for a delay on his own indictment which the judge denied, and there the case died. Indicting GRU agents later was much safer move for Mueller from court scrutiny since foreign agents obviously aren't going to show up in an adversary regime's court. 

Comparing the Israeli and Saudi influence, along with domestic voter suppression, Republican gerrymandering, corrupt electorial college, dirty tricks and limitless corporate money, any Russian interference in the supposedly pristine US electorial circus is pretty insignificant. Nevertheless, yet it gets virtually all the focus and hysterical attention in western media of any threat to what is laughingly called democracy in the US.  

And should one compare it to active US interventions in the politics of other countries, including coups and invasions, the whole western Russiagate media saturation and fear-mongering is, as Chomsky said, "a joke".

Compare the western media Russiagate coverage with coverage of US foreign interventions (let alone "influence") which are ignored, denied, or more often applauded by the same state-servile MSM that has always thrived on the xenophobic "foreign threat" of designated enemies for imperial action and corporate profit.  

Yet, according to many who now self-identify as progressive, the uninterrupted long history of deception by these agencies and their mouthpieces has now become an unquestioned source of truth when they target those they don't like. Those who point out the fundemental untrustworthy nature and history of these agencies and their messaging are now called "conspiracy theorists" by would-be progressives: 

Democrats and Liberals Trust the CIA More Than Republicans
Dave DeCamp Posted onOctober 11, 2019

https://www.antiwar.com/blog/2019/10/11/democrats-and-liberals-trust-the...

josh

NDPP wrote:

'This is the Enduring Sickness of Russiagate'

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1182309703562518528

"Amazing: this new Fox poll shows the groups that most trust the CIA - THE CIA! - are liberals, Democrats & Clinton voters. 77% Of Dems trust the CIA; only 22% don't. 64% of liberals trust CIA; 22% don't. This is the enduring sickness of Russiagate/MSNBC."

 

The CIA Takeover of the Democratic Party

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/03/13/pers-m13.html

 

No it’s the result of Russia’s interference in the 2016 election to defeat the Democrat and elect a right-wing Republican.  You reap what you sow.

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

To contrarianna, I have posted many times, and at length about the details of this affair, and I have no desire to do so again, but here are a few bullet points

  1. I agree that the U.S. is far ahead of all other contenders when it comes to interfering in elections or sponsoring coups in other countries.
  2. I agree that the CIA and the entire intelligence establishment of the U.S. or any other country is not to be trusted. They are the worst of the worst.
  3. I agree that corporate influence and voter suppression have a much greater effect on U.S. elections than anything the Russians might do.
  4. I think it is a well-established fact that Russian intel sponsored agents successfully spearphished John Podesta, and got access to his gmail account, the contents of which they then publicized.
  5. I think it is very likely that Russian intel sponsored agents hacked the DNC server, as described in the Feb/18 Mueller indictments. Several well respected computer forensics firms have seen the logs, and all agreed with the original conclusion by Crowdstrike.
  6. The Democrats I support have been busy since 2016 running primaries against incumbent Dems in congress. As AOC and her Justice Democrat colleagues show, they have had some success by concentrating on issues, and not whining about Russian interference. Same goes for Bernie Sanders' presidential campaign.

 

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Thanks Michael, good summary. I see the whole thing as a red herring. Red herrings to be effective at any level must have major aspects that are the truth, otherwise people don't take the bait. I think it is the height of irony for US imperialist of all political stripes to be complaining about interference in their facade of a democracy.

NDPP

Hillary Clinton Slanders Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard, Green Party Candidate Jill Stein as Russian Spies

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/10/19/clin-o19.html

"Hillary Clinton, the widely despised former Democratic Party presidential candidate has slandered two of her political opponents - Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard and 2016 Green Party presidential candidate Dr Jill Stein - as traitors and Russian spies.

Clinton's attack on Gabbard and Stein makes clear once again that the Democrats' assertions of 'Russian meddling' in the 2016 election were primarily aimed not at Trump, but at the anti-war and anti-capitalist sentiments that led millions of people to refuse to vote for her in 2016. They underscore how the Democrats have appropriated the McCarthyite tactics historically associated primarily with the Republican right..."

And unfortunately, shamefully, emulated now also by some on the 'progressive' Canadian left...

josh

Widely despised?  65 million voters would disagree.  And while I'm not a fan of hers, and I think her remarks are politically stupid, this is all about Russian interference in 2016 to defeat her and elect Trump.

josh
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NDPP

My Bro Modi: President Obama's Unlikely Friendship With A Right-Wing Hindu

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bro-modi-president-obamas-friendship-win...

josh
NDPP

Russophobia At Democratic Party Debate

https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/10/18/russophobia-at-democratic-party-...

"...Russophobia reflects in part an attempt by the corporatists to try and channel popular enmity away from the domestic plutocrats who have rigged the American political economy in their favor, and onto a phantom foreign enemy whose existence can be used to justify large-scale military expenditures...The one true progressive in the party willing to repudiate the dominant Russophobia is Tulsi Gabbard."

NDPP

'Russian Asset' is a Meaningless Noise War Pigs Make With Their Face Holes

https://t.co/ZO3YrkjXX2

"Both Tulsi Gabbard and the Green Party of the United States have issued scorching rebukes of Hillary Clinton for baseless accusations the former Secretary of State made during a recent interview claiming that both Gabbard and former Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein are aligned with the Russian government.

The 'Russian asset' smear has given the establishment narrative managers the ability to make incredibly inflammatory and scandalous accusations about anyone who opposes the US establishment foreign policy consensus, without ever having to back this up with facts. Establishment narrative managers are getting more and more aggressive with the psychological bullying tactics they are using against political dissidents..."

NDPP

Stein Says Clinton Promoting 'Unhinged Conspiracy Theory'

https://youtu.be/3oFSSWRJ2Yo

"Former Green Party candidate Jill Stein responded to former Democrat presidential nominee Hillary Clinton's accusation that she was a 'Russian asset."

josh

Justice Department officials have shifted an administrative review of the Russia investigation closely overseen by Attorney General William P. Barr to a criminal inquiry, according to two people familiar with the matter. The move gives the prosecutor running it, John H. Durham, the power to subpoena for witness testimony and documents, to convene a grand jury and to file criminal charges.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/24/us/politics/john-durham-criminal-investigation.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

Can't wait till 2021 and the criminal investigation into Barr's criminal investigation.

NDPP

The Jimmy Dore Show

https://youtu.be/72S3zb16Fq0

"Jill Stein smashes Hillary & defends Julian Assange."

NDPP

'My Hair Was Proof of Guilt': Maria Butina Talks of her Arrest, the NRA and Senate Testimony (and vid)

https://on.rt.com/a45q

"Accused of spying and jailed in the US, Russian student and gun rights activist Maria Butina has told RT about her ordeal. 'They just took some Hollywood cliches and made me the scapegoat,' she said. 'I believe that the American people should really start paying attention to what is happening in their country...And especially now with all these petty games the Republicans and Democrats are playing for power. The establishment has nothing to do with people or with democracy. The politicians are just fighting for power and that's why they need a foreign threat. So they picked Russia and now Russia is blamed for everything..."

josh

Did Stone, an early Trump confidant and booster, know what documents WikiLeaks had and when it would release them? The government claims he tipped off the campaign, and Mueller’s report refers numerous times to WikiLeaks or Trump’s interest in its stolen cache. Mueller says Trump and campaign advisers “privately sought information” about further releases.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-11-01/roger-stone-trial-to-shed-light-on-who-shared-2016-campaign-dirt

NDPP

Cable News in Glare of its Own Russiagate Gaslight

https://consortiumnews.com/2019/11/01/cable-news-in-glare-of-its-own-rus...

"It was interesting to watch the cable news divas go incandescent under the glare of their own gaslight last week when they received the unpleasant news that the Barr & Durham 'review' of Russiagate had been officially upgraded to a 'criminal investigation'. 'They have this theory,' Maddow said, 'that maybe Russia didn't interfere in the election."

Time to make more popcorn, this show never ends.

josh

President Trump’s former deputy campaign manager, Rick Gates, told a jury that Roger Stone was giving the campaign updates on WikiLeaks’ plans to release damaging emails stolen from the DNC and Hillary Clinton’s campaign chairman, The Hill reports.

Gates said Stone was telling the campaign about WikiLeaks’ plans as early as April 2016, months before the DNC had announced it was hacked.

josh

American prosecutors expanded an election-fraud caseagainst 13 Russians that was first brought by Special Counsel Robert Mueller, adding details to flesh out how the defendants allegedly defrauded the U.S. by interfering in the 2016 U.S. presidential race.

The superseding indictment is the latest signal that U.S. prosecutors are aggressively pursuing matters set in motion by Mueller’s investigation of Russian election interference -- even as the Justice Department is also conducting a politically charged investigation of the probe’s origins.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-11-12/u-s-to-expand-mueller-election-fraud-case-against-13-russians

josh

Roger J. Stone Jr., a former aide and longtime friend of President Trump, was found guilty on Friday of obstructing a congressional investigation into Russia’s interference in the 2016 election in what prosecutors said was an effort to protect Mr. Trump.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/15/us/politics/roger-stone-trial-guilty.html

 

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josh

This morning, Trump gave an interview to Fox & Friends repeating the very theory Republicans so angrily denied he has ever promoted. As the friendly hosts looked on apprehensively, Trump began unspooling a wild theory he has mentioned before, and invoked on his phone call to Ukrainian president Zelensky. The theory posits that Ukrainians hacked Democratic emails, framed Russia, and kept the server they hacked to hide their crime. It fixates on the role of CrowdStrike, a cybersecurity firm that helped the FBI solve the crime.

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/11/trump-russian-conspiracy-theory-fox-friends-fiona-hill-crowdstrike-ukraine.html

NDPP

Yes, but this whole Russiagate/Ukraine impeachment fiasco is patently idiotic no matter how many oceans of ink and hours of mind-numbing propaganda programs the msm uses to try and sell it. Chomsky was right.  'The whole thing is a joke!' Especially your description of the role of Democratic Party-hired contractor Crowdstrike....ROTFL.

bekayne

NDPP wrote:

Yes, but this whole Russiagate/Ukraine impeachment fiasco is patently idiotic no matter how many oceans of ink and hours of mind-numbing propaganda programs the msm uses to try and sell it. Chomsky was right.  'The whole thing is a joke!' Especially your description of the role of Democratic Party-hired contractor Crowdstrike....ROTFL.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/the-cybersecurity-202/2019/11/04/the-cybersecurity-202-gop-house-campaign-arm-uses-crowdstrike-despite-trump-conspiracy-theories/5dbf22d488e0fa10ffd20b34/?ICID=ref_fark&utm_content=link&utm_medium=website&utm_source=fark

 

House Republicans’ campaign arm is still relying on CrowdStrike to protect its sensitive data, even as the cybersecurity firm has become embroiled in a bizarre conspiracy theory promoted by President Trump and his GOP allies.

The California company, which Trump and some House Republicans have accused without evidence of conspiring with Democrats in the 2016 election, is still helping the National Republican Congressional Committee protect its networks. The committee has no immediate plans to change vendors, a person familiar with the matter told me.

NDPP

FBI Says the Democratic Party Wouldn't Let Agents See the Hacked Email Servers

https://www.wired.com/2017/01/fbi-says-democratic-party-wouldnt-let-agen...

"The DNC told Buzzfeed on Wednesday that neither the FBI nor any other intelligence agency ever did an independent assessment of the organization's breached servers. Instead, they alleged, the FBI relied exclusively on information from private digital forensics company Crowdstrike..."

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

Trump’s own investigators couldn’t find any deep-state conspiracy in Russia probe.

Sarah K. Burris wrote:

President Donald Trump and his Justice Department appointed their own investigator and prosecutor to look into Robert Mueller’s team as well as the FBI agents that dealt with the early days of the Russia investigation. Not surprisingly, after extensive international travel, interviews with high-level foreign officials and a desperate need to verify a conspiracy, nothing could be found.

The New York Times revealed the Trump humiliation Friday, saying that the final report will “debunk a series of conspiracy theories and insinuations about the F.B.I. that Mr. Trump and his allies have put forward over the past two years, the people said, though they cautioned that the report is not complete. The New York Times has not reviewed the draft, which could contain other significant findings.”

NDPP

John Kiriakou: The Press Should Not Be Shielding FBI Malfeasance

https://consortiumnews.com/2019/11/27/john-kiriakou-the-press-should-not...

"...Why is the mainstream media shielding FBI malfeasance? For FBI crimes? Because the victim is the Trump campaign, and we're not supposed to like the Trump campaign. It's all about Russia, Russia, Russia, remember? If the evidence doesn't show that you just change the evidence..."

josh

Attorney General William Barr is already breaking with a point in the Justice Department Inspector General’s upcoming report that would undermine President Donald Trump’s constant protestations that the probe into his 2016 campaign was a “witch hunt.”

According to the Washington Post, IG Michael Horo­witz plans to release his report next week which asserts that the FBI did have enough information to open an investigation into members of the Trump campaign in 2016.

The report also concludes that the FBI did not open the investigation based on the Steele Dossier or leaked information from the CIA, and that the probe did not have its roots in anti-Trump bias at the bureau.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/barr-inspector-general-trump-campaign

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