The Late Margaret Thatcher

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The Late Margaret Thatcher

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Catchfire Catchfire's picture

I choose today to remember the brave activists, union leaders and advocates who struggled against Thatcher's violent ideology. And those who struggle still.

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Such a "warm" personable colour at the bottom of that pie chart

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I think I am going to dig around and find my copy Pete Davies' novel The Last Election, and reread it. I don't think it is still in print, but it would definitely be worth rummaging around in used book stores to find a copy.

janfromthebruce

Is the light blue thin wedge, Babble? joking joking but I just couldn't resist even though during the Thatcher's years, resistence was futile.

onlinediscountanvils

[url=https://twitter.com/ThomasMulcair/status/321264478035525633]Top blue corner for Thomas.[/url]

To be fair, maybe he's just sad that it's now too late to order his limited edition In Memoriam: Margaret Thatcher EP.

Chumbawamba wrote:
Margaret Thatcher is going to pop her clogs sometime soon, and there’ll be a country-wide media and political blitz on her wonderful legacy. And that would be so wrong.

So we decided to record an EP called In Memoriam: Margaret Thatcher which is available to buy – but even though you pay your £5, you don’t get the EP until the day she dies. It’s recorded, pressed, sleeved and ready to ship. In amongst the predicted BBC obituaries and the pompous, gushing state funeral, it’s something to look forward to.

kropotkin1951

I want a copy of that tune.  I loved Chumbawamba.Strangely enough the song that kept playing in my head when I heard the news this morning was indeed, "Ding Dong the Witch is Dead."

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Thatcher: Phew, at Last

Chumbawamba – Margaret Thatcher EP ‘In Memoriam’ was mailed out on 8th April, 2013, to all who pre-ordered the CD. No further orders will be taken.

She’s not been gone more than a few hours, and already the national media have cranked into gear and begun the blandly respectful eulogies – at their most critical they seem to be only able to say: ‘She polarised opinion … what’s certain is how much of an impact she made on Britain … etc etc’

Twitter set off at a pace with a thousand ‘Ding Dong the Witch is Dead’ messages only to be followed by a slew of bleeding heart liberals bemoaning the fact that people were daring to celebrate someone’s death.

Pah! Let’s make it clear: This is a cause to celebrate, to party, to stamp the dirt down. Tomorrow we can carry on shouting and writing and working and singing and striking against the successive governments that have so clearly followed Thatcher’s Slash & Burn policies, none more so than the present lot. But for now, we can have a drink and a dance and propose a toast to the demise of someone who blighted so many people’s lives for so long.

If we must show a little reverence and decorum at this time, then so be it. Our deepest sympathies go out to the families of all Margaret Thatcher’s victims.

Chumbawamba, 8th April 2013

http://www.chumba.com/

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David Wearing on Twitter: "People praising Thatcher's legacy should show some respect for her victims. Tasteless."

ETA: Scottish comedian Frankie Boyle on eventuality of costly State Funeral: "For 3 million you could give everyone in Scotland a shovel, and we could dig a hole so deep we could hand her over to Satan in person."

Mr.Tea

Even the great Meryl Streep couldn't make me like her...

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Ken Loach: 'Let’s privatise her funeral. Put it out to competitive tender and accept the cheapest bid. It’s what she would have wanted.'

Unionist

You made me laugh and cough and laugh and cough, CF. Or rather, the great Ken Loach did.

Michelle

Privatizing Thatcher's funeral would be a fitting tribute to her legacy

Heh.

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Neither Thatcher nor Reagan were enamoured with the state and its role in society. They wanted private companies to be able to reach into every party of our lives. So why not extend this privatisation experiment into the after-life?

Now someone by the name of Scott Morgan has launched this e-petition:

"In keeping with the great lady's legacy, Margaret Thatcher's state funeral should be funded and managed by the private sector to offer the best value and choice for end users and other stakeholders. The undersigned believe that the legacy of the former PM deserves nothing less and that offering this unique opportunity is an ideal way to cut government expense and further prove the merits of liberalised economics Baroness Thatcher spearheaded."

This is a brilliant idea, and surely one even Thatcher will approve of. It can be a fitting tribute to her ideological legacy.

This is pretty funny too - from the same article:

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If it's anything like the privatisation of the railways, none of the funeral services would run on time and you'd end up with 500 people in a church meant for 200.

Michelle

That Chumbawumba statement is FABULOUS!  Right on!  Now she and Rotten Ronnie can be reunited.

And I don't know how I missed this in Catchfire's post:

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ETA: Scottish comedian Frankie Boyle on eventuality of costly State Funeral: "For 3 million you could give everyone in Scotland a shovel, and we could dig a hole so deep we could hand her over to Satan in person."

Radiorahim read it out loud to me and he had to try about three times because he was laughing so hard while reading it that I couldn't understand him.  And we've both been giggling non-stop since.

MegB

janfromthebruce wrote:

Is the light blue thin wedge, Babble? joking joking but I just couldn't resist even though during the Thatcher's years, resistence was futile.

That made me literally laugh out loud :D

lagatta

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/apr/08/margaret-thatcher-death-p...

I must write to a friend who was born in Clydeside (he lives on the continent now)...

Michelle

Another quote by Frankie Boyle: "Give her a state funeral because a lot of people will want to pay their last respects, and a lot more people will want proof that she's really dead.  It'll be the first time that the 21 gun salute shoots the coffin."

And his twitter feed today is a scream:

"Thatcher is the reason that the tweets saying you shouldn't joke about her death are riddled with spelling mistakes."

"Looking forward to hearing who found all the horcruxes."

Also (not by Frankie Boyle, but he retweeted it):

Music Video: "The Day That Margaret Thatcher Dies"

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lagatta

Now you've got me laughing uncontrollably, RR! TWICE!

They even started making jokes. One texted: “Thatcher has only been in hell for 20 minutes, and she has already shut down 20 furnaces.” (...)

Terry Carter, 81, the oldest member of the Empire, recalled when Thatcher repeated the words of St Francis of Assisi on the steps of Downing Street, saying: “It’s a wonder that a bolt didn’t come down and hit her.

But Francesco broke with his wealthy merchant family and spoke up for the poor, and all creatures of nature. Thatcher would have seen him as a "loser", as she did "any man of 26 or older who still rides a bus"...

josh

I figure she and Pinochet must be stuck in the sauna by now.

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Junkyard Dog

Let's all hope they kept a pit in hell hot enough for her.

Michelle

I was just telling RR that it's too bad he already drank his Dieu du Ciel! "Rigor Mortis" beer that he brought back from Montreal.  He could be drinking a toast to her right now!

Stockholm

I will say one thing in praise of Margaret Thatcher...(there will be hundreds of years in which to discuss all the horrible things she did). I do think she did the right thing by going to war against the fascist dictatorship in Argentina after it invaded the Falkland Islands. An indirect by-product of her defending the Falklands from invasion was the collapse of the military dictatorship in Buonos Aires and the restoration of democracy in Argentina. The fascist regime in Argentina was actually far more brutal and murderous than even Pinochet was and had they been allowed to get away with wantonly invading and annexing the Falklands it would have cemented their control over Argentina for a generation. In fact, if Thatcher had not defeated the fascists in Argentina - there is a good chance that the generals would still control Argentina to this day and the "Dirty War" would have gone on for 30 more years. I am well aware that liberating Argentina from fascism was the least of Thatcher's reasons for going to war - but in the end she did what she had to do under international law when British territory was blatantly attacked without any provocation by a foreign power. Argentinians should be grateful to Thatcher for being the catalyst that led to the collapse of their evil government.

lagatta

Klaus Nomi! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vXR5gjRMPk

Pity, Michelle, but we had no way of knowing.

I'm making do with a Gai Lan stirfry and some white wine I had in the fridge. And lots of music. I have friends in the SSP - their lives were already pretty f-ed up by Tommy Sheridan, I'm hoping this will cheer them somewhat. Tough, funny, working-class women.

Michelle

lagatta

Stockholm, I believe the murder rate was about the same in Argentina and Chile. Argentina is a much larger (wider) country and has a much larger population. I have friends who were refugees from both of those countries, and their reports on the prison camps and the terror they endured were pretty much identical - remember that these countries, as well as Paraguay and Uruguay, and to some extent Brazil, which had already been a ruthless military dicatorship for a decade when its neighbours fell to that, were part of Operation Condor.

Thatcher's tea and sympathy friendship with Pinochet is a clear indication that her quarrel with Argentina had nothing to do with it also being a murderous fascist dictatorship.

Pinochet and Videla staged phony wars in Patagonia over sub-Antarctic crags to rally war fever and distract the respective populations.

Stockholm

lagatta wrote:

Thatcher's tea and sympathy friendship with Pinochet is a clear indication that her quarrel with Argentina had nothing to do with it also being a murderous fascist dictatorship.

I agree, but sometimes bad people do good things for the wrong reasons - but they still did something good. Winston Churchill was a rightwing racist plutocrat and I'm sure he didn't give a hoot about saving the Jews of Europe when he fought Hitler. In the end I don't care about whether or not Churchill had the right motives for going to war against Hitler over Poland and i also don't care if Thatcher's motives for going to war with the fascists in Argentina weren't the "right motives" - in the end evil was defeated...and the junta in Argentina was evil!

Unionist

[noting that Stockholm says Churchill did good by fighting Hitler but doesn't mention Stalin... he'll find a way out of this mess...]

lagatta

Stockholm, the Chilean fascist régime was just as evil, and depite their phony wars, the Chileans, Argentines and Uruguayans, at least, turned their refugees and political prisoners over to one another.  There were fewer dead in Chile for the same reason Pol Pot killed fewer people than STALIN did, though I'm sure the death rate per overall population was higher in Kampuchea.

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Love this! Especially Elvis Costello's tune, which was the first thing that popped into my head when I read the news this morning. Next favourite is O'Connor's. Both songs were from two of my favourite albums at the time.

I've read a couple of things extolling Thatcher as a feminist icon. Frankly made me gag. She wasn't a feminist, she hated feminists and feminism. She only ever believed that the rules didn't apply to her,not because she was female but because she was so superior to everyone. Fuck the rest of us.

Nice take on feminism and arts and Thatcher: http://www.salon.com/2013/04/08/margaret_thatcher_grotesque_puppet/

Catchfire Catchfire's picture

I just want to thank Stockholm for doing his part to increase babble's traffic.

I would also like to take this opportunity to thank Margaret Thatcher for The Clash, This Is England, Ken Loach, Our Friends in the North, The Stone Roses, Joy Division, Trainspotting, Liverpool F.C. (1983-1989), Elton John and Brooklyn & Romeo Beckham.

Unionist

[url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-22077072]Bristol police officers hurt at anti-Thatcher demo[/url]

nicky

The best epitaph for Margaret Thatcher was delivered by Neil Kinnoch a day or two before her most sweeping electoral triumph in 1983. It is one of the very greatest political speeches of all time.

 

If Margaret Thatcher is re-elected as prime minister on Thursday, I warn you.

I warn you that you will have pain–when healing and relief depend upon payment.

I warn you that you will have ignorance–when talents are untended and wits are wasted, when learning is a privilege and not a right.

I warn you that you will have poverty–when pensions slip and benefits are whittled away by a government that won’t pay in an economy that can’t pay.

I warn you that you will be cold–when fuel charges are used as a tax system that the rich don’t notice and the poor can’t afford.

I warn you that you must not expect work–when many cannot spend, more will not be able to earn. When they don’t earn, they don’t spend. When they don’t spend, work dies.

I warn you not to go into the streets alone after dark or into the streets in large crowds of protest in the light.

 

I warn you that you will be quiet–when the curfew of fear and the gibbet of unemployment make you obedient.

I warn you that you will have defence of a sort–with a risk and at a price that passes all understanding.

I warn you that you will be home-bound–when fares and transport bills kill leisure and lock you up.

I warn you that you will borrow less–when credit, loans, mortgages and easy payments are refused to people on your melting income.

If Margaret Thatcher wins on Thursday–

- I warn you not to be ordinary

- I warn you not to be young

- I warn you not to fall ill

- I warn you not to get old.

 

Here is a video extract.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QPhMVbleU0

mersh

And let's not forget the sinking of the Belgrano -- and the role of Pinochet in supporting the British in that war. Has anyone mentioned Elvis Costello's Shipbuilding, yet?

ETA: I remember this headline

lagatta

That was horrible. All those young conscripts - under a fascist dictatorship with no hope of conscientious objection - killed and mocked in the gutter press.

Stockholm

Another interesting element of the Falklands War was the rift it created between Thatcher and the foreign policy neo-cons in the Reagan administration. People like Jeanne Kirkpatrick saw the Argentina fascist dictatorship as a close American ally and as a "bulwark against communism" (sic.). The neo-cons around Reagan was openly pro-Argentina in the conflict and went to great lengths to try to get Thatcher to back off so that their fascist friends in Buenos Aires could stay in power. Thatcher would have none of it and once Reagan realized that there was no way to talk Thatcher out of going to war with Argentina, he reluctantly decided that preserving the Anglo-American alliance was more important that keeping General Galtieri in power in Argentina - but Kirkpatrick and Wolfowitz and Co. wept over the loss of their good friends in Argentina and never forgave Thatcher that.

NDPP

Thatcher was also rabidly pro-Israel. So much so that even  Foreign Office officials were alarmed and wanted her to break off links with such groups as the Anglo-Israel Friendship League, of which she was a founding member, or the Conservative Friends of Israel, because she was increasingly seen by Arab countries as captured by Zionists.

Stockholm

NDPP wrote:

Thatcher was also rabidly pro-Israel. So much so that even  Foreign Office officials were alarmed and wanted her to break off links with such groups as the Anglo-Israel Friendship League, of which she was a founding member, or the Conservative Friends of Israel, because she was increasingly seen by Arab countries as captured by Zionists.

So clearly she wasn't all bad.

NDPP

  Wink

Arrests at Thatcher Death Celebrations as Shop Windows Smashed, Police Injured

http://rt.com/news/thatcher-death-demonstrations-parties-561/

"Hundreds have taken to the streets in British cities to celebrate the death of former UK Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, injuring six police. Shop windows were smashed and paint bombs thrown..."

 

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MegB

Catchfire wrote:

I just want to thank Stockholm for doing his part to increase babble's traffic.

I would also like to take this opportunity to thank Margaret Thatcher for The Clash, This Is England, Ken Loach, Our Friends in the North, The Stone Roses, Joy Division, Trainspotting, Liverpool F.C. (1983-1989), Elton John and Brooklyn & Romeo Beckham.

And Sinead O'Connor's Black Boys on Mopeds (Brixton riots).

Reagan's gone, Thatcher's singing in the choir eternal, is pushing up daisies, is bloody demised ... sorry, Monty Python moment ... we seem to be running short of old guard economy-destroying union-busting neo-liberals. Thankfully there are so many to take their place.

Bacchus
MegB

Thanks for the link Bacchus. A somewhat balanced article, but it fails to answer its own question: what would Britain be like if Thatcher had never been?

I'm not comparing Thatcher with Hitler - that would be silly - but people constantly speculate on what Europe, the world, would be like if Hitler had died in childhood or been assassinated before becoming Chancellor of Germany. Would someone worse have taken his place? Did the Treaty of Versailles create Hitler and the Nazi party? It's the stuff of speculative fiction - interesting, but still fiction.

Bacchus

Having indulged in that myself I really think something along the lines of the Nazis would have appeared regardless since at its inception, the Nazis were merely one of many alike parties agitiating there. The Versailles treaty was a model of one sided blaming when all were culpable. It set the stage for the next conflict just like its lack in the next make a WW3 in Europe not a foregone conclusion

 

Just like I think a  thatcher-like person would have appeared as well at some point. Whether it would have been as brutal as quick remains to be seen but I agree with some of the articles conclusions

6079_Smith_W

Well said, despite the fact she was a monster. I spent lunch today talking to a friend who was basically driven out of England by her policies.

mark_alfred

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Big smile @ image above. I would offer one further suggestion - let those in attendance pay to be there, and pay out of their own pocket.

sherpa-finn

A surprisingly reflective piece by Russell Brand...

"I suppose, that if you opposed Thatcher's ideas it was likely because of their lack of compassion, which is really just a word for love. If love is something you cherish, it is hard to glean much joy from death, even in one's enemies."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/apr/09/russell-brand-margaret-thatcher

6079_Smith_W

Unionist wrote:

[noting that Stockholm says Churchill did good by fighting Hitler but doesn't mention Stalin... he'll find a way out of this mess...]

I just assumed he did it out of deference to this board. If he had singled out Stalin as the evil leader someone surely would have pointed out that he should have mentioned Churchill.

And everyone seems to forget that for a good part of his career his work and policies weren't right-wing at all. Thing is though, he just felt comfortable in the theatre of war. When he was removed from the Admiralty during WWI he actually joined up and went to the front.

He was nothing like Thatcher.

ygtbk

mark_alfred wrote:

Ken Loach cant punctuate, pass it on

kropotkin1951

6079_Smith_W wrote:

Unionist wrote:

[noting that Stockholm says Churchill did good by fighting Hitler but doesn't mention Stalin... he'll find a way out of this mess...]

I just assumed he did it out of deference to this board. If he had singled out Stalin as the evil leader someone surely would have pointed out that he should have mentioned Churchill.

I think that Unionist meant that it was Stalin and the Russian people who defeated Hitler not Churchill. The German army fell on the fields in front of Leningrad.

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