Libya IV

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Frmrsldr wrote:

welder wrote:

How are the people going to decide thier future with Col.Khaddaffi,absent your "Too Late to Save a Dying Witch" gun running scenario? (nice Zappa reference,huh?)

Empericism:

In other words; we shall see, my friend, we shall see.

 

We are definately going to find out...

 

I suspect that by nightfall in Libya tomorrow,or early Saturday morning...Col. Khaddaffi is going to get a little wake up call!!!

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Frmrsldr wrote:

Allowing arms from Tunisia, Algeria, Niger, Chad, the Sudan and Egypt to flow to the Libyan People and for all Liberated People from the world (like the International Brigades during the Spanish Civil War) to join and support the Libyan People.

 

This... and if some wealthy supporters want to finance a squadron of jet jockeys to challenge the Gadaffi air force (kind' a like the Flying Tigers in China in WW2) so be it.

 

By the way the biggest killer of the rebels is artillery, the big stiff, not air strikes... so the no fly zone is a bit of a waste without airstrikes on Gadaffi combat units at the front.

This is what the Gadaffi forces are shooting at the rebels and those cities...

 

The Palmaria self-propelled howitzer was developed specially for export. I think its French... I could be wrong.

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Frmrsldr wrote:

welder wrote:

1.Probably true...Unfortunately its' far too late for your theory...They will get guns,though,from the Islamofascists...Yippee fricken skippee...Soyonara freedom!!!

This hypothesis is not certain, because "our" (i.e., C.I.A., Mi-6, etc.) information about "Salafists (Al Qaeda) in Africa" is sketchy. Look, given the spontaneous nature of the Revolution(s), the Pentagon & Co. were caught off guard and are still lurching toward some sort of policy - which now seems to be the no-fly zone.

welder wrote:

2.Neither is your plan of gun running  well thought through...I highly doubt the dictators in Niger,Algeria,,and,Sudan,really want to see a cohort go down because I'm sure they think they'll be next...

The Libyan People are not going to get guns from (those African) governments because, yes naturally, they are afraid that if Gadhafi goes down it will be their turn next. They will get arms from local arms dealers. They will get additional Revolutionaries from world Libertarias (People) who will travel to these countries and cross the borders into Libya.

welder wrote:

4.No it has'nt...I'm no fan of poorly planned conflict,however,sometimes it has to be done...I'm also no fan of bloodthirsty dictators decimating a populous that would stand up to a bully...

These people wouldn't be in the mess they're in if we hadn't created and supported these bloodthirsty dictators to begin with.

We need to end this vicious cycle of addicton to foreign interference NOW!

The criterion I use to support what ought to be done is not the question, "Is it the most well thought-out option?"

But the much more difficult question, "Is it the most JUST option?"

 

1.Neither is your hypothesis certain.We do know that the Muslim Brotherhood,and it's many iterations,would love to get its hands on Libya...Just like it's licking it's chops on getting its hands on Tunisia and Egypt...

Talk about a nightmare scenario...

2.I suspect the easier route for those left in Libya not killed by Khaddaffi is to get the guns and ammo from the willing Islamofascist traders who will expect a little payback when the time arrives...Expediency being the issue...

3.Again,if by "We" you mean "The West"...So did the Soviets and so did Abdel Gemal Nasser get involved in Libya.Both super powers propped up some hideous characters over the years for political and military expediency's sake...We're seeing a form of payback because of this,I suppose?

 

What is the "Just" option,in this case?

Doing nothing,by using the "Let the people decide" cop out is not an option at all.It guarantees an Khaddaffi led bloodbath,and in my opinion,guarantees an Islamofascist revolt agianst that result

 

 

Frmrsldr

welder wrote:

1.Neither is your hypothesis certain.We do know that the Muslim Brotherhood,and it's many iterations,would love to get its hands on Libya...Just like it's licking it's chops on getting its hands on Tunisia and Egypt...

Talk about a nightmare scenario...

2.I suspect the easier route for those left in Libya not killed by Khaddaffi is to get the guns and ammo from the willing Islamofascist traders who will expect a little payback when the time arrives...Expediency being the issue...

3.Again,if by "We" you mean "The West"...So did the Soviets and so did Abdel Gemal Nasser get involved in Libya.Both super powers propped up some hideous characters over the years for political and military expediency's sake...We're seeing a form of payback because of this,I suppose?

What is the "Just" option,in this case?

Doing nothing,by using the "Let the people decide" cop out is not an option at all.It guarantees an Khaddaffi led bloodbath,and in my opinion,guarantees an Islamofascist revolt agianst that result

Are you sure?

You might think so,

But I don't.