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Libya VI

Continued from here.

VectoV

You know I may be reaching here, but I think this Libyan situation is going to be the blueprint for dealing with Iran in the near future.

Yes I know....off thread

Jingles

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dealing with Iran

I love that statement. I hear it all the time from the Hillary/Biden/Lieberman/Likudnik/AIPAC camp. It's a great euphemism for mass murder.

Dealing with Iran: a country that has not attacked or threatened to attack anyone. A country that is currently surrounded by the openly hostile and ultraviolent NATO, which has openly and repeatedly threatened to annihilate it. Yet we are told that it is Iran that is the problem. 

Hold fast, Libyan rebels! The Canadian Air Force is on its way! 

al-Qa'bong

To be fair, the Iranians have a bearded leadership, and they speak in a crazy, unintelligible manner.

Noah_Scape

A quick round-up of who’s contributing what for the military intervention in Libya from NATO:

- Britain says it will be mobilising Tornado and Typhoon fighter jets, as well as two frigates currently in the Mediterreanean. France and the US will be cooperating in those missions.

- Italy says it is ready to offer the use of several airbases.

- Norway says it is prepared to take part in the operation.

- Denmark is awaiting parliamentary approval to mobilise F-16 fighter jets to take part.

- Poland says it is prepared to offer logistical support, but no military strike force.

- Canada will contribute the use of six CF-18 fighter jets and a navy frigate currently in the Mediterreanean.

  Link> http://feb17.info/

 

   --- As for the cease fire Gaddafi announced -

"What Cease Fire?"

"(CNN) - Libya's government announced a "immediate" cease-fire on Friday, but witnesses in western and eastern Libya says conflict is raging.

Witnesses in the western city of Misrata said a pro-government assault is persisting and casualties are mounting.

"What cease-fire," asked a doctor in Misrata, who described hours of military poundings, descriptions of casualties, and dwindling resources to treat the wounded. "We're under the bombs."

"This morning they are burning the city," the doctor said. "There are deaths everywhere."

"Misrata is on fire," according to an opposition member - who said tanks and vehicles with heavy artillery shot their way into the city last night and the assault continued on Friday. He said Gadhafi's regime announced a cease-fire to buy time for itself. "Please help us."

In eastern Libya, CNN's Arwa Damon reported the sounds of explosions, fighters' accounts of heavy casualties, and ambulances. She said fighters, who don't trust Gadhafi, believe the declaration is a trick

 

 

 

VectoV

So it's all a lie that Iran in fact is doing all the threatening, that Iran in fact has the hidden agenda, that Iran in fact is supporting

most of the terrorist groups and has absolutely no qualms about killing their own. On top of that, there are quite a few Arab states

that live in fear of Iran. I used the term "deal with" to get my point across in the shortest form possible.

al-Qa'bong

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On top of that, there are quite a few Arab states that live in fear of Iran.

 

If by "quite a few Arab states" you mean "Israel," then yes, your assertion is somewhat accurate.

VectoV

Well somewhat I guess is better than not at all. Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Kuwait and yes Israel and why not considering the leadership in Iran has said "Israel should be wiped off the face of the map". It behooves anyone to take a threat like that very seriously.

Iran does have the capability and ability to make the whole middle east a very big mess for a very long time.

Anyways...off thread again!

Unionist

VectoV wrote:

Well somewhat I guess is better than not at all. Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Kuwait and yes Israel and why not considering the leadership in Iran has said "Israel should be wiped off the face of the map". It behooves anyone to take a threat like that very seriously.

Iran does have the capability and ability to make the whole middle east a very big mess for a very long time.

Anyways...off thread again!

Did someone change the babble policy while we weren't looking? "Lovers of imperialism and zionism, come on down! You're the next contestant on, Bait and Provoke!!"

What is it with these characters? Slumming?

VanGoghs Ear

VectoV

speaking critically of foreign governments even despotic, theocratic ones is looked down on by many here, except the USA of course and Israel and Australia and others but for the most part typing critical thoughts of foreign governments on this site means you want to invade and kill and/or interfere generally in their affairs and by typing yr thoughts here you are making it happen.

VanGoghs Ear

I don't agree with VectoV's - statements

VectoV

I like the way the "I and Z" words get thrown around. I am neither. Not even remotely close.

VanGogh, I don't agree with your statement. 

 

 

 

NDPP

Libya: Hypocrisy and Betrayal by the UN  - by Felicity Arbuthnot

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=23767

"The bombing of Libya will begin nearly to the day, of the 8th anniversary of the beginning of the destruction of Iraq...

Libya too will be destroyed...The infrastructure will be destroyed. The embargo will remain in place. They will move in, secure the oil installations, and oil fields, the Libyan people will be an incidental inconvenience and quickly become 'the enemy', 'insurgents'...and a US friendly puppet 'government' will be installed.

The invaders will award their companies rebuilding contracts, the money - likely taken from Libya's frozen assets without accounting - will vanish and the country will remain largely in ruins.

And this Libyan 'Shock and Awe'? Shame on France, Shame on Britain, [SHAME ON CANADA AND ALL POLITICAL PARTIES THAT SUPPORTED THIS!] and the US and a UN avowed 'to save succeeding generations from the scourge of war.'

Every shattered body, every child maimed or blown to bits, every widow, widower, orphans, will have the name of those countries and the UN written in their blood on their place of death.

The countries who have ganged together these last days to overthrow a sovereign government, have, again, arguably conspired in Nuremberg's : "supreme international crime, differing only from other warcrimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole.'

In time it will emerge, who was stirring, bribing, destabilising, and likely few will be surprised at the findings. But then, Libya will be long broken and its people fleeing, displaced, distraught. When it comes to dealing with the usual 'liberators', be careful what you wish for.

In 6 months or so, most Libyans whatever the faults of the last 40 years rule, will be rueing this day."

al-Qa'bong

VanGoghs Ear wrote:

VectoV

speaking critically of foreign governments even despotic, theocratic ones is looked down on by many here, except the USA of course and Israel and Australia and others but for the most part typing critical thoughts of foreign governments on this site means you want to invade and kill and/or interfere generally in their affairs and by typing yr thoughts here you are making it happen.

 

Death to uncapitalised run-on sentences!

 

You obviously haven't been listening.  The Iranian régime is a pack of murderous religious zealots, but they aren't threatening any Arab states with anything.  Indeed, they have a far better relationship with Iraq now than Iran had during the Reagan years, when the US was arming Saddam Hussein's invading army.

sanizadeh

Jingles wrote:

Dealing with Iran: a country that has not attacked or threatened to attack anyone. A country that is currently surrounded by the openly hostile and ultraviolent NATO, which has openly and repeatedly threatened to annihilate it. Yet we are told that it is Iran that is the problem. 

The Iranian government is not a problem to the region or world. Only to its own people.

VectoV

Yep...US foreign policy leaves a lot to be desired.

Obama just now telling the Libyan regime to cease and desist or face the consequences

al-Qa'bong

Yeah, and last month Obama was Khaddafi's ally.

NDPP

Libya Risks Military Force from US Allies: Obama

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2011/03/18/libya-friday-031811.html

"While US, British, French and Canadian forces poised to attack Libyan air force installations to ensure airborne weapons stay on the ground, Libyan Foreign Minister Musa Kusa said his government was obliged to accept the resolution. Gadhafi's government 'takes a great interest in protecting all civilians...respecting all human rights' Kusa said at a news conference in Tripoli. 'It also recognizes its obligation to protect all foreigners and their assets.' Kusa said the government wanted to 'take the country back to safety and security for all Libyans.'

In Ottawa on Friday, Prime Minister Stephen Harper announced that Canada will deploy 7 CF-18 fighter jets to help enforce the no-fly zone, joining HMCS Charlottetown, which is enroute to the Mediterranean Sea off Libya. Six CF-18 fighter jets and one escort plane were deployed Friday afternoon from a Quebec military base to help enforce the United Nations no-fly zone over Libya. The jets took off in snowy weather from CFB Bagotville, along with 150 personnel. Two C-17s from CFB Trenton are being used to transport the personnel. The destination for the planes and personnel was not disclosed.."

VectoV

al-Qa'bong wrote:

Yeah, and last month Obama was Khaddafi's ally.

 

Well, he was being nice, Khaddafi that is.

Sorta like me having a friend that goes nutso one day and kills his family, uh we're not friends anymore.

Hypothetically that is.

 

Catchfire Catchfire's picture

Yes, I find VectoV's comments ignorant rather than trolling or baiting, although I always allow myself the potential to change my mind. VectoV, aside from your laughable suggestion that Iran is a danger to Arab states (of all the nations which pose serious dangers to Arab nations, Iran doesn't even come in as an also-ran), there have been many fascinating discussions about Ahmadinejad's alleged "wiping Israel off the map" comment here on babble. You may want to peruse our archives and educate yourself. I know I found it rewarding. There is a phenomenal amount of knowledge about Middle Eastern politics and history here. I suggest taking advantage of it.

ETA: Also, can we please stop calling what Khaddafi is doing "nutso," "nuts," or "insane"? I find that language exclusionary, not to mention inaccurate and whitewashing.

VectoV

Okay Catchfire, I always see the silver lining, so 1 outta 3 ain't bad.

Catchfire Catchfire's picture

Ha! Ok, that's funny.

NDPP

10 Reasons to Say No to Western Intervention in Libya  - by Andrew Murray, National Chair Stop The War Coalition

http://warisacrime.org/content/10-reasons-say-no-western-intervention-libya

"Military aggression in Libya - to give it the right name - will be used to revive the blood soaked policy of 'liberal interventionism'. That beast cannot be allowed to rise from the graves of Iraq and Afghanistan.."

Polunatic2

All of Canada's political parties are united in this latest misadventure.  Onto Bahrain and Saudi Arabia next! Freedom is in the air. Oops. It's actually white phosphorous and depleted uranium. Is Qadaffi's ceasefire too little too late to prevent the bombings? 

al-Qa'bong

VectoV wrote:

al-Qa'bong wrote:

Yeah, and last month Obama was Khaddafi's ally.

 

Well, he was being nice, Khaddafi that is.

Sorta like me having a friend that goes nutso one day and kills his family, uh we're not friends anymore.

Hypothetically that is.

 

And in the real world, the US did kill a member of Khaddafi's family.

Polunatic2

That's different. The West is allowed to kill babies for the greater good because they're the world's police - the arbiters of right and wrong. How many Iraqi children died in the '09s as a result of the no-fly zone and sanctions?

N.Beltov N.Beltov's picture

I think it was around 100,000 kids killed by the "coalition of the willing" that de facto included Canadian participation in all but name. That's 100,000 children killed by states that are members of the same despicable military alliance that Canada is a party to.

Instead of drawing attention to the monstrous hypocrisy of standing by while the Egyptian, Tunisian, Saudi and other regimes carried (and continue to carry out) violence against their own populations, the NDP does the usual pro-imperialist "Me too!" in regard to Libya along with the the war criminal Liberals and Conservatives.

I hope that political middle is worth it.

al-Qa'bong

The US has admitted to killing half a million Iraqi kids, but they had to die for the greater good.

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Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?

Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price--we think the price is worth it.

--60 Minutes (5/12/96)

 

 

'We Think the Price Is Worth It'

N.Beltov N.Beltov's picture

Sorry. I was off by 400,000 dead children.

al-Qa'bong

Whatever.  They're just towelheads.

N.Beltov N.Beltov's picture

Anger is good but please don't encourage the idiots.

Jingles

Now that's forward thinking. If they hadn't killed those kids then, they would have grown up to be insurgents or something. Just like the Indian Wars.

I can't wait for the NDP to phone me asking for money again.

Meanwhile...

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Yemeni authorities declared a [url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/protesters-killed-in-yemens-capital-... state of emergency[/url] Friday, hours after pro-government gunmen firing from rooftops unleashed a bloody attack on protesters in the capital.

The death toll rose to 47 after the surprise assault, in which security forces and government supporters fired directly at protesters for more than 20 minutes, according to witnesses. In addition to the dead, hundreds of people were injured, dozens critically, medical workers said.

Aaaannnnd.....

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The hub of [url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/18/bahrain-destroys-pearl-round...'s rebellion[/url] was destroyed as the country's embattled leaders intensified moves to crush an implacable reformist movement rippling through the Gulf states.

When will the world act to stop this monster Amadinijad?

Jingles

A quick answer to our newest member from Hasbara who said:

 

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 On top of that, there are quite a few Arab states that live in fear of Iran.

We have [url=http://www.alternet.org/world/47913/]this[/url]

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The face-to-face survey of a total of 3,850 respondents in Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Morocco, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates found that close to 80 percent of Arabs consider Israel and the United States the two biggest external threats to their security. Only six percent cited Iran.

And less than one in four Arabs believe Iran should be pressured to halt its nuclear programme, while 61 percent, including majorities in all six countries, said Tehran had the right to pursue it even if, as most believe, the programme is designed to develop nuclear weapons.

So by "states" what he means is "despots and dictators friendly to Israel".

M. Spector M. Spector's picture

Neil MacDonald, CBC:

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This is in fact an American operation with America posing as a team member, rather than team leader.

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How long do you think this war on Libya will last? The Security Council plans on it lasting at least a year:

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24. [the Security Council] Requests the Secretary-General to create for an initial period of one year, in consultation with the Committee, a group of up to eight experts ("Panel of Experts"), under the direction of the Committee to carry out the following tasks:

(a) Assist the Committee in carrying out its mandate as specified in paragraph 24 of resolution 1970 (2011) and this resolution;

(b) Gather, examine and analyse information from States, relevant United Nations bodies, regional organisations and other interested parties regarding the implementation of the measures decided in resolution 1970 (2011) and this resolution, in particular incidents of non-compliance;

(c) Make recommendations on actions the Council, or the Committee or State, may consider to improve implementation of the relevant measures;

(d) Provide to the Council an interim report on its work no later than 90 days after the Panel's appointment, and a final report to the Council no later than 30 days prior to the termination of its mandate with its findings and recommendations;

Fidel

al-Qa'bong wrote:

The US has admitted to killing half a million Iraqi kids, but they had to die for the greater good.

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Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?

Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price--we think the price is worth it.

--60 Minutes (5/12/96)

 

 

'We Think the Price Is Worth It'

Yes, I can never forget that infamous quote.

Mike Stirner

The equivication of iraq and libya is a bit silly cosidering most libyans appear to actually want this, and again who says the US will even have any control even if they want it.

Unionist

Mike Stirner wrote:

The equivication of iraq and libya is a bit silly cosidering most libyans appear to actually want this, and again who says the US will even have any control even if they want it.

Yeah, that must be why Paul Dewar condemned Harper for not moving fast enough against Libya as far back as [url=http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2011/02/27/17427311.html]Feb. 27[/url]:

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Harper, who called on Gadhafi to step aside and "stop the bloodshed," said Canada's sanctions will go further than those passed by the Security Council.

“In addition ... our Government will impose an asset freeze on, and a prohibition of financial transactions with the Government of Libya, its institutions and agencies, including the Libyan Central Bank."

NDP MP Paul Dewar thought the government should have done more "Why isn't the government calling for a no-fly zone? Why didn't he announce emergency funds to the UN commission for refugees to relieve the humanitarian situation faced by the Libyan refugees?" he said.

That's the same Paul Dewar that praised Harper for boycotting Durban II.

With Mike and Paul at their side, the Libyan people's salvation is surely nigh!

I know, I know, "don't call me surely"...

A_J

Unionist wrote:

Yeah, that must be why Paul Dewar condemned Harper for not moving fast enough against Libya as far back as [url=http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2011/02/27/17427311.html]Feb. 27[/url]:

Hey, it's not just NDP back-benchers like Dewar who support a no-fly zone:

Montreal Gazette wrote:

In his talk with the prime minister, NDP leader Jack Layton raised concerns about whether Canada might get wrapped up in a ground engagement, but noted the NDP ultimately supports Canada's participation in the international mission.

``It's appropriate for Canada to be a part of this effort to try to stop Gadhafi from attacking his citizens as he has been threatening to do and as we have seen in past days,'' he said.

Citing some of the difficulties Canada has faced trying to get its citizens out of Libya, Layton said it's ``important that we get (this mission) right.'

Canada joins Libya no-fly zone (19 March, 2011)

CBC wrote:

NDP Leader Jack Layton urged the Canadian government to "unequivocally" express its support for democracy in Libya.

"Authorities have been engaged in atrocities against the country's civilian population. New Democrats condemn the Libyan regime’s use of deadly force — including military aircraft — against civilians," Layton said in a statement Tuesday.

"Canada should also be working with its international partners to bring the issue to the UN Security Council and work to establish a no-fly zone in Libya's airspace," he added.

Ottawa to fly Canadians out of Libya (22 February, 2011)

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

Noah_Scape wrote:
A quick round-up of who’s contributing what for the military intervention in Libya from NATO:

You neglected to mention that the US has the Ronald Raygun Carrier Group in place with planes, drones, and cruise missiles - and amphibious vehicles that can be deployed from several US ships in the area carrying US Marines.

NDPP

Shame, Shame, Shame, Once Again On The US and the UN  - by Cindy Sheehan

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article27723.htm

"The UN once again proves to be a toady of the hegemon and the globalists who want to drain the planet dry of every drop of crude oil at any and all costs to the native population..The United Nation is a failed organization that seems to promote war and inequality by being a rubber stamp for UN violence.."

as are the Canadian political parties in support.

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

NDPP wrote:

Shame, Shame, Shame, Once Again On The US and the UN  - by Cindy Sheehan

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article27723.htm

"The UN once again proves to be a toady of the hegemon and the globalists who want to drain the planet dry of every drop of crude oil at any and all costs to the native population..The United Nation is a failed organization that seems to promote war and inequality by being a rubber stamp for UN violence.."

as are the Canadian political parties in support.

So - you're saying the world should just sit idly by and let Gadafi have his way with the civilians and rebels?

Unionist

Boom Boom wrote:

So - you're saying the world should just sit idly by and let Gadafi have his way with the civilians and rebels?

Are you saying the world should have just sat idly by and let Saddam Hussein carry on murdering and torturing Iraqis in his torture chambers, and preparing WMD (ok, he didn't quite have them yet...) for use against the world?

Where was Canada when the call came?

Just looking after our own petty problems.

And should we have just sat idly by when the Taliban were stoning women (and not letting them go to school) and harbouring Al Qaeda terrorists and being just, well, way too extreme for our taste?

And thank God we bombed the fuck out of Belgrade so that the Kosovo Liberation Army could win!

You know, Boom Boom, your question is excellent. If only it didn't lead to other questions...

Like...

Did Canada demand a no fly zone and targeted attacks on Tel Aviv and air fields while Israel was bombing hospitals and massacring civilians in someone else's country (Gaza)?

Did Jack Layton?

And now [tada]: Did you, Boom Boom?

Don't get sucked in by imperialist siren songs. We will all live to regret our collaboration in mass murder - and not the kind Obama and Harper and Cameron and Sarkozy shed crocodile tears over. The kind we commit with the finest Judaeo-Christian sentiments and over a nice cuppa tea.

NDPP

this intervention is neither 'humanitarian', nor 'liberating'. This is a war crime. The 'supreme' war crime. There is no lawful or ethical basis for it. If the people of Libya, perhaps even neighbours like 'revolutionary' Egypt, wish to lend support, to Libyan popular resistance, let them. Canada has no good reason for participating in this vile imperialist adventure for blood, oil and geopolitical advantage.

Unionist

A_J wrote:

Hey, it's not just NDP back-benchers like Dewar who support a no-fly zone:

Brush up on your politics, A_J. Dewar is Foreign Affairs Critic. That's the front bench. And of course he expresses the leadership's views on foreign affairs issues. I just happen to loathe Dewar (for his disgusting support for Harper's boycott of Durban II), so I gave Layton a break this time.

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

Actually, this intervention is necessary to prevent further war crimes from happening. Gadafi has threatened genocide against at least one city (Bengazi) and it was only the action by the UN that made him back down.

Libya's neighbours have had lots of time to organise against Gadafi - it is their lack of action that led the UN to finally intervene.

So - if not UN intervention - then what?

NDPP

IAE: Stop the US War Against Libya And Bahrain

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=23785

"A US attack is the worst possible thing that could happen to the people of Libya. In essence the former colonial powers have begun an armed attack on the Libyan government and its people, backing one side of a civil war. No matter how one feels about Libya today and the role of the Gadhafi government; regardless of how we are evaluating the Libya opposition, a US led war of intervention in Libya is a disaster for the Libyan people, and for peace and progress around the world...

BAHRAIN EXPOSES THE LIE ABOUT 'PREVENTING ATTACKS ON CIVILIANS..."

Jingles

Christ, I give up.

I really thought the last 15 years of manipulation by the hyperviolent military-industrial powers would iinnure people from falling for the same shit again and again and again. Yet here we are, after Serbia, Kosovo, Yemen, Iraq, Afghanistan, Haiti, Somalia, etc, etc, etc, and people who consider themselves educated, savvy progressives hip to the ways of militarist propaganda one again falling into line and calling for blood and bombs. 

Fucking sad.

We should start a pool for when the first "appeaser" or "Munich" or "Chamberlain" reference is thrown down.

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

Allied planes fly over Libya as Gaddafi hits Benghazi

  

A jet shot down over Benghazi. Looks like an SU 24... There are rumors that this was in fact a rebel jet that was shot down by friendly fire. The rebels have some aircraft and are thought to be saving them for the battle of Benghazi... Anyways the pilot ejected to safety (over Benghazi) and I think its safe to say he ended up in rebel hands. If we don't see a captures Gadffi pilot on display in a day or so it's probably a friendly fire incident.

 

 

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Earlier, an unidentified fighter jet was shot down over Benghazi.

"I saw the plane circle around, come out of the clouds, head toward an apparent target, and then it was hit and went straight down in flames and a huge billow of black smoke went up," Reuters correspondent Angus MacSwan said.

"It seems it was attacking the Benghazi military barracks."

 

Gadaffi's units attempt an assault on Benghazi and fail.

 

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Gaddafi's troops on Saturday morning pushed into the outskirts of Benghazi, the second city of some 670,000 people, in an apparent attempt to pre-empt Western air strikes that came after a meeting of Western and Arab leaders in Paris.

Neither side seems to have the discipline to enforce any type of real cease fire: especially the rebels. Gadaffis forces are almost as bad; reporters who've been taken to the front by Lybian officials noticed that while Gadaffis troops were much better organized to do military operations the soldiers showed very little military discipline. Many are civilians with minimal training.  

 

NDPP

@ Jingles...

"Of one thing only can we be sure - we shall remain stupid." Voltaire

West Spurns Libya Call for Ceasefire  -  by Jason Ditz

http://news.antiwar.com/2011/03/18/west-spurns-libyan-call-for-ceasefire...

"The offers are largely calling on deaf ears in the West, however, where the decision to turn the internal conflict into a major international attack on Libya has already been made. French officials, indeed, say the attacks are likely to begin around 8:00 AM EST on Saturday, irrespective of what the Libyan government does between now and then..."

Unionist

Boom Boom wrote:

Actually, this intervention is necessary to prevent further war crimes from happening.

I thought we charged people with war crimes, brought proof, heard defence, then judged. Who did that? What are you relying on... CNN?

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Gadafi has threatened genocide against at least one city (Bengazi) ...

That's a remarkable use of the word "genocide", BB. Anyway, since he threatened it, you must have a quote - right? Provide it please.

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... and it was only the action by the UN that made him back down.

Back down? But the lying fucks of the news networks are saying that he is still attacking Benghazi and at least two other cities. So which is it - he chickened out because of our wonderful show of democratic peace-loving force, or he is thumbing his nose and boldly marchin on? Do you actually have any sources of information for your statements?

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Libya's neighbours have had lots of time to organise against Gadafi - it is their lack of action that led the UN to finally intervene.

You think aggression and intervention are more acceptable if they come from "neighbours"? Like, home invaders from the next town are bad, but the bully next door is welcome any time? Do you have any clue (sorry) about international law? You think the U.S. had the right to invade Canada to stop the G20 arrests in Toronto?

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So - if not UN intervention - then what?

Mind our own business.

 

Stockholm

Even though in recent years he had cynically tried to ingratiate himself with "the west", I get the impression that some people still have a nostaligic soft spots in their hearts for Gadhafi. They remember the good old days when he ran training camps in Libya for the IRA, the Red Brigades and the Baader-Meinhof gang and when he was amusing himself ordering his agents to plant bombs on commercial airplanes...I think this is why I see such mixed emotions about Gadhafi, some people just can't decide whether he's "the good guy" or not.

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