The missing thread on GOP and Tea(party) plans,probabilities and possibilities for 'Merica (and us)

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George Victor

George Victor wrote:

quote: "So explain again why any non-American should care which imperialist rules in the White House?"

 

It's an old fashioned concept called self-interest, Kroppy.

Ya missed the point, Kroppy.  A Canadian should care out of that Canadian's self-interest. Just as you shouldn't walk in front of trucks.   Try deep breathing.

Prince_or_Orange

Sure, there is lots to be gained from some healthy oversight, but... no oversight (and let States/ people run their own affairs, in communist cooperatives or capitalist enterprises if they so please) is much better the state fascism/corporate fuedalism in place at this time.  Obama is proof that a supposed democratic leftwing President can only get elected when he embraces the policies the slavemasters instruct him to follow.  The system is so corrupt that the money ties need to be exposed and broken. Yes, I have faint hope that the two Pauls are attempting to do just that.  Too bad Ron Paul is nearing retirement.

George Victor

Yeah.  But one must bear up, best possible.

kropotkin1951

George Victor wrote:

George Victor wrote:

quote: "So explain again why any non-American should care which imperialist rules in the White House?"

 

It's an old fashioned concept called self-interest, Kroppy.

Ya missed the point, Kroppy.  A Canadian should care out of that Canadian's self-interest. Just as you shouldn't walk in front of trucks.   Try deep breathing.

 

You missed the point Georgie. No American President will be good for Canada's' self interest.  That is why I don't care because I know that Bill Clinton or Obama today would be no more helpful to Canada's national interest than either Bush.  That is merely the nature of imperialism.  But don't get me wrong I watch american politics quite a bit because one must know their enemy.  I just don't think one emperor or another will help much up here in Puerto Rico North.

Prince_or_Orange

by the way, I am done with the whole left-right paradigm in the US.  It is a useless fabrication, a divide and conquer deception by a few elite warlords leading to little substantive progress.  No wonder there is never a debate about the real issues: their slavemasters and war-mongerers do not tolerate relevant debate; they buy or bully what they want.  "All" we need is for some brave and free people to expose all that. Maybe it is even best that they go bankrupt this spring and the whole federal government and elected representatives get fired so they get to start all over.  Funny, every election cycle I get this faint hope that they'll elect another JFK with some serious balls (and a good security detail this time), but....  it's been a long, long wait.  A Canadian minority government not doing much doesn't look so bad compared to that...

kropotkin1951

Here is Obama before his election, on an issue that is near and dear to my heart.  So I wonder when he is going to start on that agenda?  Maybe someone who follows American politics really closely can point to the parts of the Indian and South Korean trade agreements that live up to the promise of change.

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President Obama generally supports free trade policies, though he has expressed concern about free trade agreements that do not include labor and environmental protections. In a February 2008 speech at the General Motors plant in Janesville, Wisconsin, Obama said he "will not sign another trade agreement unless it has protections for our environment and protections for American workers." In June 2008, Obama blamed a jump in the U.S. trade deficit on "policies that reflect unprecedented fiscal irresponsibility and borrowing from abroad" and promised to adopt a trade policy that "serves the interests not just of multinational corporations but of America's hardworking families."

Obama has called NAFTA a "bad" trade deal. In an August 2007 Democratic debate, Obama said he would meet with the Canadian and Mexican heads of state to “try to amend NAFTA,” saying the agreement “should reflect the principle that our trade should not just be good for Wall Street, but should also be good for Main Street” (see video).

In a February 2008 Democratic debate, Obama said he would "make sure that we renegotiate" NAFTA and use "the hammer of a potential opt-out" of NAFTA as leverage to ensure enforceable labor and environmental protections. Still, in February 2008, Obama said he does not think "it's realistic for us to repeal NAFTA," because that could lead to"more job loss ... than job gains." (ABC)

al-Qa'bong

Prince_or_Orange wrote:

by the way, I am done with the whole left-right paradigm in the US.  It is a useless fabrication, a divide and conquer deception by a few elite warlords leading to little substantive progress.  No wonder there is never a debate about the real issues: their slavemasters and war-mongerers do not tolerate relevant debate; they buy or bully what they want.  

You're obviously not alone in thinking this.  Someone writing in the US press recently made a similar argument:

 

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I am about to make a point so simple that I am astonished few in what we used to call the American Left, have bothered to say it. In fact, it is corporate America that is profiting mightily from the uncivil war Americans are waging against each other. The real players in the game are up in the luxury boxes. And they are not named Glenn Beck or Jon Stewart. They are executives at News Corp. and GE and Disney and Comcast (which will soon own NBC).

The plain fact is that the fierce entertainment of our national life - conservatives versus liberals - will continue until the corporate big guys call a halt in the game.

 

All lose in war of words

Prince_or_Orange

Thanks for that article Al-Qa-Bong.  I am very glad to see that some good old American patriots are starting to think about these things and about the reality of the situation without engaging in these ongoing verbal battles leading nowhere.  Once they become fully aware of this very painful reality that they've been had, they may be half there.  Expect these voices to be snuffed out or smothered in a blanket of blue and red or 'lunatic fringe' verbal diarrhea combined with printed money that talks.  Until such awareness takes its full roots, we cannot expect anything substantial to happen politically. For us as Canadians being fully aware of this dynamic, gives us a rightful boost to our great anti-American (read: anti-puppetmasters) superiority complex.  Imagine that, WE are the ones who are freer than 95% of the free and brave!   Trying to make any rational sense out this public spectacle south of the border is a waste of time, unless you like being info-tained.  We can learn one thing from this and should stand on guard: as Canadian citizens it is our duty to ensure our politicians and media are not bought by the same powers who create this puppetshow in America and who keep on leading their poor citizens into one real war for profit after another.

kropotkin1951

Prince_or_Orange wrote:

as Canadian citizens it is our duty to ensure our politicians and media are not bought by the same powers who create this puppetshow in America and who keep on leading their poor citizens into one real war for profit after another.

I hate to inform you that the train has already left the station. Any suggestions on how we stop our Canadian sycophant elite from taking their seat in first class in exchange for our sovereignty? 

George Victor

The missing thread on GOP and Tea(party) plans,probabilities and possibilities for 'Merica (and us)

 

When the populace learn to read, the possibilities of stopping the elite will grow exponentially.Laughing

Prince_or_Orange

 

"I hate to inform you that the train has already left the station. Any suggestions on how we stop our Canadian sycophant elite from taking their seat in first class in exchange for our sovereignty? "

 

Exposure of the lies and of the money ties and trails. Chief lie and myth maker Leo Strauss never even believed in US the concocted myths (forming the basis of decades of good verus evil conflicts), he simply propagated them as 'useful lies' for the elite to play the populous like violins. An elite that did not have to believe in the lies.

George Victor

Yeah, Leo's work was only a little more convoluted than that.

Prince_or_Orange

What I meant to say is this: to retain our rightful place as Ameri-snob Canadians and continue to debunk the myth of the US money printing machine & other economic miracles, it is our job to educate, to expose the true lies and related corruption (Sept 10, 2001 - 2.1 trillion 'misappropriated' from Pentagon's budget - don't take my word for it, look it up: Rumsfeld did a speach on it which is still on youtube - eh, did we ever hear of that one again? or did the evidence conveniently disappear the next day?).  Perhaps the first order of business now is to help them ridicule and demolish their puppet show in Washington until that changes into something we can all finally believe in: a real democracy.  If certain Canadian elites want to be US copy cats and have the population believe in Leo Strauss-type good versus evil lies so they can control us and they can sleep first class with a fascist/neo-con devil, they have it coming.  Responding to such idiocy and weakness is very simple: the truth will set us all free.  Perhaps it is time to start support groups for American patriots who hunger for our freedoms. 

George Victor

Yep, down with Rumsfeld and the other Straussians. However, what exactly are you at in this? :

 

"If certain Canadian elites want to be US copy cats and have the population believe in Leo Strauss-type good versus evil lies so they can control us and they can sleep first class with a fascist/neo-con devil, they have it coming.  Responding to such idiocy and weakness is very simple: the truth will set us all free.  Perhaps it is time to start support groups for American patriots who hunger for our freedoms."

And "support groups for American patriots" sounds sort of bass ackwards.  What of Leo Strauss are you reading?

 

Prince_or_Orange

 

That would be the one who taught Wolfowitz.  I do think that by now the US is in danger of sliding deeper into the chaos of a fascist state.  Perhaps it is punishment for decades of ignorance and lies, perhaps it is the result of all in power bending to the new world order and war machine puppet masters.   Canadian elites, when they finally realize what is going on,  I hope will not want to join that nazi party and remain a hold-out for freedom and the rule of law.  The tea partiers, at least those American patriots with clean, independent motives who are still fighting this apparent inevitable slide into the heart of darkness, could be a place in the US to start rebuilding international free thinkers and libertarians (assuming Palin stays in Alaska and people like the Paul family wind up running the show).   A Canadian coffee or ice fishing party in a show of support may be in order in that case.   Ass backwards, well, unfortunately the problem is deep and wide and will require revolutionary paradigm shifts.  We may have to look at what went wrong there in 1913 or 1963 to fix this mother of all problems.  At least a good analysis of the situation and economic and political reset will also do away with Leo Strauss' wicked elitist swindle that definitely is part of their problem.  Which democratic society can ever survive long term based on a consciously concocted and nurtured lie by its elite? 

George Victor

You are indeed levitating.  As for your contribution to the question of GOP and Tea Party plans, probabilities and possibilities...I'll meditate on "international free thinkers and libertarians" mixing with "those American patriots (sans Palin) with clean, independent motives who are still fighting this apparent inevitable slide into the heart of darkness..." . A little Joseph Conrad also helps to anchor ideas.

Prince_or_Orange

thanks, yes, (unfortunately) that train of higher thought seems to me at this moment the only real faint hope and change we perhaps may be able believe in (note the hesitation), even though it is hard to admit that those are the options we've got.   Perhaps they can rebuild something worthwhile from there; it is not as if we can do away with their two-party blabla info-tainment puppet system any time soon.  Ron Paul actually strikes me as the Clint Eastwood hero in "Gran Torino";  he is willing to get shot while making his excellent points (for those who do not know this: he voted against the empire's involvement in Iraq, which seems hard to believe given the fact that he is a Republican congressman).  Barring a full blown armed revolution that confronts the corporate fascist state head on - an outcome that is unlikely and brings its own serious troubles - this option may be the lesser of two evils.  Jospeh Conrad... yes, but he was also an elitist and did not believe in democracy...as the Straussian neo-cons.  Maybe it is time to accept that the political, 'democratic' US circus is an never-ending merry go round, always pushed forward by a small group of elitists (and related thugs and financiers), most of them looking for power and money and some of them looking for romantic progress or as a minimum a pleasurable ride.  The real forward thinkers are able to tinker with and adjust this machine, but most of them get consumed by it.  To be aware of this reality or not to be aware, that makes all the difference.  John Raulston Saul already pointed us in the right direction with his 'unconcious civilization'.  Good thing we can watch the circus, learn, and draw our conclusions on how not to get consumed and retain superiority. 

George Victor

quote: "John Raulston Saul already pointed us in the right direction with his 'unconcious civilization'.  Good thing we can watch the circus, learn, and draw our conclusions on how not to get consumed and retain superiority. "

 

And perhaps we can employ Saul to protect us from the forces of Paul. " Good thing we can watch the circus," indeed. But could we make one more effort to describe the GOP/Tea Party monstrosity in detail. Before we throw up our hands and admit that "Maybe it is time to accept that the political, 'democratic' US circus is an never-ending merry go round," There is a tendency to do that, hereabouts, as this thread demonstrates.

Prince_or_Orange

I think at its finest, the tea party phenomenon could be that cynical yet likeable Gran Torino hero who exposes and entrapts the criminals and surprises the onlookers like us who also do not know what to do.  This development would give further credence to rugged individualism as one of the founding forces for good in the USA and does represent a healthy democracy, in particular when the entire circus seems completely FUBAR.  What is unfortunately more likely is that such pure and perhaps romantic ideals will be hijacked by the corporate war-machine who can easily buy a yelping monstrosity like Palin and arrange for her to finish first.  I don't think that father and son Paul will be able to withstand such overwhelming force of money, power, and ignorant bellligerence.   All this also assumes that the US population will actually chose for something that is good for them.  That could be a wrong assumption (and as we saw with the Obama deception, it is not always easy to determine; some puppets initially sound awfully smooth).  Perhaps the majority has been completely messed up by a dizzying array of craftful propaganda that any attempts of reform will be a simple waste of energy.  Well ok then, I give up; the Americans get the propaganda and puppets they deserve.  If slaves cannot rebel anymore or can be had with little toys, I guess they do not deserve to be free.  Let us live and learn.      

George Victor

FUBAR rings a bell from Second World War soldiery's take on the powers that be.  Interpret, please.

Prince_or_Orange

F..d up beyond all repair.  If that is the case as I am slowly concluding, perhaps only soldiers can change the circus.  I believe one reason why the Americans are scared of their guys returning from Afganistan and Iraq.  These guys know: they've been seriously had (again).   

Tea party, well, the first tea party preceeded the first American revolution, perhaps this one is announcing the second?

Prince_or_Orange

http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2011/01/cult-of-sanctified-violence.html

This one is interesting in the context of this discussion. This article came to me via a major US investment newsletter of all places; this is NOT fringe anymore. I salute these US libertarians who are sticking their necks out and create a revolution. If anything happens with this, it will happen either inside the system via a tea party type movement or ....?

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

 

Oh for heaven's sake. All this talk about violent civil war or revolution in the USA is a bunch of outside leftist wishful thinking: thought porn if you will. The US military is not going to over throw the government NOR is it going to turn on its own people on the behest of corporations.

kropotkin1951

You are right that is not the militaries job. Their police state is very efficient without help from the military.  So tell me Bec do you believe Americans are inherently more criminal than people everywhere else in the world or that the system is somehow flawed.

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A graph showing the United States incarceration rate under state and federal jurisdiction per 100,000 population 1925-2008. It does not include jail inmates. The male incarceration rate is roughly 7 times the female incarceration rate.

Main article: United States incarceration rate

The United States' incarceration rate is, according to official reports, the highest in the world, at 737 persons imprisoned per 100,000 (as of 2005).[7] A report released in 2008 indicates that in the United States more than 1 in 100 adults is now confined in an American jail or prison.[8] The United States has 4% of the world's population and 25% of the world's incarcerated population.[9]

In the U.S., most states strictly limit parole, requiring that at least half of a sentence be served. For certain heinous crimes, there is no parole and the full sentence must be served.

 

Prince_or_Orange

I know you are right Bec, even though sometimes one wonders, how screwed up do things have to get before an enslaved people will revolt.  Should a coup d'etat happen, it will be from within the system and covered up (as with the JFK's murder and 9/11).   A popular revolt from within the system, as the tea party should be accurately called, will also likely be smothered and or be bought-off to help the powers that be in exactly the same way.  I say, bless those Americans who fight to keep the tea party phenomenon out of the hands of its corporate war machine.  Private prisons anyone?

kropotkin1951

Prince I am confused about your viewpoint.  Do you believe (like the Paul's) that corporations should have all the rights of a citizen?  That to me is the problem with the tea baggers they just don't seem to understand that it is the corporate model itself that needs attacked not just some "bad" ones.  I have heard Paul the Younger claim that businesses should have the right to choose their clientele on whatever basis they want because that is their constitutional property right.  How is this revolution led by the Paul's going to help people marginalized by race and economics??

Prince_or_Orange

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Prince_or_Orange

I have little against money generating businesses when it is decent business by decent folks, selling decent stuff.  That is the business of business.   The US, with 4% of the world's population and 27% of the world's wealth (amongst other accomplishments) is proof that their businesses can generate money.  Where the US money machine spins out of control into a serious monstrosity is when its businesses and government combine into a fascist, Orwellian entity with effective control over everything.   The corporate war machine and private bankster elite simply keep on buying their Republican or Democrat puppets to advance their private aims.  It doesn't matter to them who wins, since it has become irrelevant and they don't even believe in their own good versus evil propaganda anyways; they divide and conquer and win either way.  Who gets in the way or makes a relevant point threatening this world order, gets snuffed out or jailed.  The American people have an illusion of democracy with a lot of noise being produced about supposed issues, yet where a pre-determined fundamental hidden agenda is always followed: cash must flow in the hands of the private banksters and warlords.  Yes! In a healthy democracy it is the government and media's role to expose, shame, and tame such excesses for the betterment of the general population.  Eisenhower already warned us all after WWII that the corporate war machine elite will advance their private aims at the expense of everything else (including killing elected Presidents who get in the way).  Well they did it.  They killed JFK, created Vietnam, created 9/11, Iraq, and now the financial crisis. If we look back further, we can probably see all sorts of issues, dating back to 1913 when private banksters took control of the money supply.  The American people have clearly lost their capacity to reign in that elite, and with it, they've lost their media, army, and general freedoms.  Of politicians out there operating within the confines of the system, I only see the Pauls touching on this fundamental point. Once big government and big business ties have been broken, sure, we can start talking about a lot of other important issues.  Until such time, who cares about labels like left, right, or teabag?  It simply is irrelevant.  I actually believe the good parts of the teabaggers like the Pauls get 'lunatic fringed' by this elite; they know the Pauls are on to their game and yes, their control is being threatened by these guys.

George Victor

Prince, you are beginning to assume the validity of a $3 bill, emanating from somewhere to the right of Vlad the Impaler.  Enough of your spam, please.

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

kropotkin1951 wrote:

 

So tell me Bec do you believe Americans are inherently more criminal than people everywhere else in the world or that the system is somehow flawed.

 

I'm a criminal every time I smoke a joint...LOL All that stuff shows is that people elsewhere in the world just get away with crime or don't end up in prison as often.

In all seriousness I do enjoy allot of liberties many on this planet can't. The fact that I can talk to all you over the internet is one example. I'm not entirely happy with my government (I'd hardly consider myself a slave) for lots of reasons (most are domestic) but I'm not willing to throw the baby out with the bath water just yet. I've seen what civil war can do to a country and its people.

 

 

kropotkin1951

People being incarcerated at that rate is in my opinion the sign of a deeply dysfunctional society. I hope you don't get busted for your dope smoking because it could easily get you sentenced to a private prison to work as a call centre slave.  And those are not liberties you enjoy they are privileges. Privileges extracted from other countries by your military might.

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

kropotkin1951 wrote:

I hope you don't get busted for your dope smoking because it could easily get you sentenced to a private prison to work as a call centre slave.  

Thanks, you're my new found lefty friendSmile, cat or dog owner?

 

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And those are not liberties you enjoy they are privileges. Privileges extracted from other countries by your military might.

I had the right to remain silent one time... the cop must have been lying to me. (no it wasn't for smoking pot) Does that include my right, err privlage, to have a gun cabnet full of various fire arms, swords, and the badest assed paintball gun on the planet? I used to have a 14th century cannon in my garage that fires cement filled beer cans but thats over at a friends house now. (the wife made me get rid of itFrown). I fail to see how that was extracted from another country but I have every bit of confidence you'll queue me in on that...

wage zombie

Where do you think the material comes from to make all those things?

Frmrsldr

Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

Does that include my right, err privlage, to have a gun cabnet full of various fire arms, swords, and the badest assed paintball gun on the planet? I used to have a 14th century cannon in my garage that fires cement filled beer cans but thats over at a friends house now. (the wife made me get rid of itFrown).

I too have a vast personal small arms arsenal.

Mine is to protect my Constitutionally enshrined liberties should the government of We the People degenerate to the point where it irreparably becomes a tyranny.

Is this the purpose of your arsenal?

Or is yours a pro-war pornography collection that supports the Afghan, Iraq, Pakistan, Yemen and Somlia, etc., wars, the MIC (Military Industrial Complex) and Yanqui imperialism?

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

Frmrsldr wrote:

I too have a vast personal small arms arsenal.

Mine is to protect my Constitutionally enshrined liberties should the government of We the People degenerate to the point where it irreparably becomes a tyranny.

Is this the purpose of your arsenal?

Mine consists of fire arms for hunting, a few collectables and home defense. All of which can serve the same purpose as yours. That and the zombie apocalypse...Laughing I do allot of hog hunting right now; the local ranchers and farmers here need the wild hog populations controlled year around so I'm getting allot of shooting in when I want. My .306 has open sites; I'm getting real good at snap shooting hogs in the brush.

The cannon was a bit of a joke: it isn't really mine per say, it belongs to a renaissance re-enactment group I'm in. I stored it at my house once but it stinks like gun powder (go figure) and it had to go. But yeah, I've had a cannon in my garage.Wink 

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Or is yours a pro-war pornography collection that supports the Afghan, Iraq, Pakistan, Yemen and Somlia, etc., wars, the MIC (Military Industrial Complex) and Yanqui imperialism?

Just fucking WOW! That's some pretty wild speculation on your part. I have no idea where your trying to run with that. 

Frmrsldr

Frmrsldr wrote:

Or is yours a pro-war pornography collection that supports the Afghan, Iraq, Pakistan, Yemen and Somlia, etc., wars, the MIC (Military Industrial Complex) and Yanqui imperialism?

Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

Just fucking WOW! That's some pretty wild speculation on your part. I have no idea where your trying to run with that. 

Just flushing you out to see if your arsenal was part of a pro-gun, pro-violence and pro-war fetish a lot of people (and the greater society/culture) seem to suffer from.

al-Qa'bong

George Victor wrote:

Prince, you are beginning to assume the validity of a $3 bill, emanating from somewhere to the right of Vlad the Impaler.  Enough of your spam, please.

Is this:

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 Eisenhower already warned us all after WWII that the corporate war machine elite will advance their private aims at the expense of everything else (including killing elected Presidents who get in the way).  Well they did it.  They killed JFK, created Vietnam, created 9/11, Iraq, and now the financial crisis. If we look back further, we can probably see all sorts of issues, dating back to 1913 when private banksters took control of the money supply.

 

substantially different from anything you've posted here?

Frmrsldr

Well, they've done it!

Ron Paul and Ralph Nader agree on a progressive-libertarian alliance:

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/01/ron-paul-ralph-nader-agree-on-progres...

George Victor

al-Qa'bong wrote:

George Victor wrote:

Prince, you are beginning to assume the validity of a $3 bill, emanating from somewhere to the right of Vlad the Impaler.  Enough of your spam, please.

Is this:

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 Eisenhower already warned us all after WWII that the corporate war machine elite will advance their private aims at the expense of everything else (including killing elected Presidents who get in the way).  Well they did it.  They killed JFK, created Vietnam, created 9/11, Iraq, and now the financial crisis. If we look back further, we can probably see all sorts of issues, dating back to 1913 when private banksters took control of the money supply.

 

substantially different from anything you've posted here?

 

Dear old al.  In choosing a quote from someone else (that is not my description of America since Eisenhower...although "bankster" gives one some idea of whose vitriol was vented there)  you grow  more like an internal troll.  Your little attacks from out of the blue suggest that you are suffering from some kind of frustrated need to do dirt.

Or perhaps you have a perfectly rational explanation of what you were TRYING to do, and hadn't actually read the previous princely posts?   Or does reality matter a damn to you any more?

George Victor

quote: "Just flushing you out to see if your arsenal was part of a pro-gun, pro-violence and pro-war fetish a lot of people (and the greater society/culture) seem to suffer from."

 

All kinds of work being created from Mr. Crapper's throne, hereabouts.

George Victor

Frmrsldr wrote:

Well, they've done it!

Ron Paul and Ralph Nader agree on a progressive-libertarian alliance:

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/01/ron-paul-ralph-nader-agree-on-progres...

 

Quoting Repl. Ron Paul: "Paul added that he agreed with Nader on a host of issues, such as cutting the US military's budget, ending undeclared US wars overseas, restoring civil liberties and civil rights by dumping from the Patriot Act, and withdrawing from the NAFTA and World Trade Organization agreements."

 

Now there's a Libertarian that only a Tea-partier in "Merica could love. Thanks for the link.

Stargazer

Ron Paul is a dangerous nutbar

http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/ron-pauls-inner-far-right-extremist

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/5/17/155438/459

 

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Regardless of what the media tell us, most white Americans are not going to believe that they are at fault for what blacks have done to cities across America. The professional blacks may have cowed the elites, but good sense survives at the grass roots.  Many more are going to have difficultly avoiding the belief that our country is being destroyed by a group of actual and potential terrorists -- and they can be identified by the color of their skin. This conclusion may not be entirely fair, but it is, for many, entirely unavoidable.

Indeed, it is shocking to consider the uniformity of opinion among blacks in this country. Opinion polls consistently show that only about 5% of blacks have sensible political opinions, i.e. support the free market, individual liberty, and the end of welfare and affirmative action.... Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the "criminal justice system," I think we can safely assume that 95% of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal.

If similar in-depth studies were conducted in other major cities, who doubts that similar results would be produced?  We are constantly told that it is evil to be afraid of black men, but it is hardly irrational. Black men commit murders, rapes, robberies, muggings, and burglaries all out of proportion to their numbers.

Perhaps the L.A. experience should not be surprising. The riots, burning, looting, and murders are only a continuation of 30 years of racial politics.The looting in L.A. was the welfare state without the voting booth.  The elite have sent one message to black America for 30 years: you are entitled to something for nothing. That's what blacks got on the streets of L.A. for three days in April. Only they didn't ask their Congressmen to arrange the transfer.

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

Wow. What a freak. People listen to that idiot???Frown

Frmrsldr

The last piece of the jigsaw puzzle to fall into place is for the remaining Tea Partiers to connect the dots that war is the greatest cause of federal budget and government ballooning there is.

When left and right are united, antiwar/anti-interventionists stand a chance of ending war and intervention just that much sooner.

http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2011/01/21/ron-paul-on-the-effects-of-our-wars/

 

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

Frmrsldr wrote:

The last piece of the jigsaw puzzle to fall into place is for the remaining Tea Partiers to connect the dots that war is the greatest cause of federal budget and government ballooning there is.

When left and right are united, antiwar/anti-interventionists stand a chance of ending war and intervention just that much sooner.

http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2011/01/21/ron-paul-on-the-effects-of-our-wars/

Naa, nice thought but most Tea Party types veiw antiwar/anti-interventionists as a bunch of anti-American hippies who hate thier own country. The anti-war movment burned allot of bridges with US Americans with stuff like this:

 

 

Like the poster all you want but it's not how you get 300 million people to listen to you no matter how right you (think you) are.

 

If the Tea Party starts pushing for fiscal reasonability be getting out of Iraq and Afghanistan I'd be pretty surprised. If they did such a thing they would do it separately from the antiwar movement.

 

kropotkin1951

What a nasty image. Imagine an American soldier looking like a Nazi. Next they will show the President with swastikas.  Its a good thing the tea baggers would never resort to anything like that.  

Obviously neither group is going for the majority of americans with their imagery. I suspect that the majority of americans know that the wars are the problem but are faced with the dilemma of how to stop when the only decent jobs in the country are tied to the Military Industrial Complex.  

I have always said the only way we will get out of Free Trade is the way we dodged it last time. It was American voters who ended the reciprocity treaties because it was bad for their local economies. 

So go Americans go.  End the free trade agreements and start with NAFTA 

Prince_or_Orange

George, I see you are immovable in your left/ right paradigm.  I understand; paradigm shifts may seem impossible.  Just remember, the people behind the corporate war machine count on this and win in that case.  I have made my points, thanks for the exchange.  I have started reading Ron Paul's book "The Revolution - A Manifest".  See if that helps in understanding what they are up to.

kropotkin1951

So Prince do you agree with Paul in his views on corporations? You talk about corporate fascist and then want us to jump on the bandwagon of someone who believes corporations are regulated too much and that is one of the fundamental problems in the current system.  I don't place much hope in a man whose central idea is that property rights are paramount.  That is ideological to the core not some new political nirvana.  How to you defeat your enemy by removing all the chains from their use of their corporate wealth?

 

Prince_or_Orange

I dwelled on al Qa-Bong's coming to my defense against a dismissive George Victor, who after winds up agreeing with me that Ron Paul may in fact be on to something... That was exactly my point.  I have started reading Paul's  "The Revolution - A Manifesto".  Could that be the (bloodless) revolution we may all be able to believe in...??  I am sure the Stargazer-types are watching the Paul's ascend nervously (and are trying to do everything to make him and his supporters out to be leftwing of rightwing nutcases or may even call in the CIA for another planted bomb or print some leftwing nazi posters to radicalize the debate - all part of the old divide and conquer game).  Their empty power is being exposed and threatened. Left and right keep your heads cool and unite to defeat the corporate fascists!!          

George Victor

Prince_or_Orange wrote:

I dwelled on al Qa-Bong's coming to my defense against a dismissive George Victor, who after winds up agreeing with me that Ron Paul may in fact be on to something... That was exactly my point.  I have started reading Paul's  "The Revolution - A Manifesto".  Could that be the (bloodless) revolution we may all be able to believe in...??  I am sure the Stargazer-types are watching the Paul's ascend nervously (and are trying to do everything to make him and his supporters out to be leftwing of rightwing nutcases or may even call in the CIA for another planted bomb or print some leftwing nazi posters to radicalize the debate - all part of the old divide and conquer game).  Their empty power is being exposed and threatened. Left and right keep your heads cool and unite to defeat the corporate fascists!!          

 

Quoting Repl. Ron Paul: "Paul added that he agreed with Nader on a host of issues, such as cutting the US military's budget, ending undeclared US wars overseas, restoring civil liberties and civil rights by dumping from the Patriot Act, and withdrawing from the NAFTA and World Trade Organization agreements."

 

George Victor: "Now there's a Libertarian that only a Tea-partier in "Merica could love. Thanks for the link."

 

Sorry, Prince, but that is not an endorsement of Ron Paul.

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