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#FailureToLaunch: Japanese City Makes False Alarm Tweet About N Korean Missile Launch

http://rt.com/news/japan-mistake-tweet-missile-627/

"The Japanese city of Yokohama sent a shocking tweet to its 40,000 followers on Wednesday who it accidentally posted a message saying that North Korea had launched a ballistic missile..."

kropotkin1951

Here is article I liked because it puts the North Korean response in a historical context. The US is the belligerent party in this whole affair. It is its insistence on sabre rattling off other nations shores that causes the tension not the reaction to such blatant provocation. If China, Brazil, and Venezuela conducted joint war games in the Gulf of Mexico the US would likely go to war.

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Missing in what passes for discourse on the DPRK in the corporate media is that the US was conducting month-long war maneuvers last March in Korea, now extended into April, using stealth bombers, undetectable by radar, capable of carrying nuclear weapons. And this year these are not “deterrent” war maneuvers, but “pre-emptive war” maneuvers.

Would the US government and people get a little “irrational” if a foreign country that previously had killed millions of our people, sent nuclear capable stealth bombers off the coasts of New York City, Washington DC, Houston, Miami, Los Angeles, San Francisco, there to fly around for a month in preparation for a possible nuclear attack on us? For what is called, in warped US language, war “games”?

The US may have killed 20% of the population of Korea, said General Curtis Lemay, who was involved in the US air war on Korea. If so, that is a higher rate of genocidal slaughter than what the Nazis inflicted on Poland or the Soviet Union. The Korean War may be unknown ancient history to us, but it is no more ancient history to Koreans than the Nakba is to Palestinians.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/04/10/north-koreas-justifiable-anger/

Paladin1

The US wouldn't go to war over it but they would sure as hell use it to terrify it's citizens. Increase more spending for the military. Make some homeland security decisons that would impinge on citizens freedoms and rights.

 

 

NDPP

Korea: B2 Bombers Offering a Path to Peace?  -  by Pepe Escobar

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2013/04/2013489110725477.html

"Who is provoking whom? A look behind the rhetorical war-games between Washington and Pyongyang. The Lords of War always win."

Rikardo

Please comment in the topic: Responsibility to Protect or Right to Invade.  Are you for R2P (humanitarian intervention) or not?  The views of supporters are needed.

kropotkin1951

Humanitarian intervention is an oxymoron.  There is nothing humanitarian about killing people to set them free.

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kropotkin1951 wrote:

Humanitarian intervention is an oxymoron.  There is nothing humanitarian about killing people to set them free.

..i figure most people on this earth that can understand this statement agrees. especially the second sentence. everything else is spin to enable a theft of a country's resources. corroporations and banks will follow a military win by the americans.

NDPP

South Koreans Fear Paying the Price For Another US-Led War (and vid)

http://www.presstv.com/detail/2013/04/11/297754/south-koreans-fear-us-dr...

"US Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel said North Korea is nearing a 'dangerous line', as the Obama administration continues to escalate nuclear war fears by making belligerent statements nearly every day. Such hostility contrasts starkly with the perspective of the average South Korean...

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

If anything most South Koreans, my extended family included, over the years have grown numb to the war of words between NK the USA and their own government. They are pretty jaded when it comes to this stuff. Presstv (Iranian state news by the way) is full of it for the most part and if anything got it backwards. If South Koreans fear anything, for the lack of a better term, it’s what Kim Jung Un is going to do, not what the USA or their armed forces is going to do should North Korea attack them (for whatever reason). Most South Koreans realize nothing can or will happen until North Korea actully does something and for the most part go about their lives not obsessing about it.

Here is what's all over the news in South Korea...

My brother in law whom lives about 60 miles south of Seoul summed it up like this, "I wish he'd shoot his damned missle off and get it over with". He never said anything about the United States.

 

NDPP

NATO and South Korea Keen 'To Take Partnership Forward'

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2013-04-12/nato-and-s-korea-determined-to...

"Secretary General of NATO Anders Fogh Rasmussen, who is in South Korea with US Secretary of State John Kerry, said: 'Very warm meeting with President Park Geunh-hye at the Blue House. Determined to take our cooperation, partnership forward.

Partnership between NATO and ROK based on shared values: freedom, democracy and rule of law."

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ccdeal45 wrote:

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Was any of that stuff made in the Joint Korean Industrial Zone?....LOL

NDPP

Obama Issues New Threat to North Korea  - by Peter Symonds

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/04/12/kore-a12.html

"...Far from attempting to lower temperatures on the Korean Peninsula, the Obama administration has been deliberately stoking the crisis. As part of his aggressive 'pivot to Asia' against China, Obama has exploited the Korean crisis to apply pressure not only to Pyongyang but also to Beijing. Using the pretext of a North Korean missile threat, the US has announced the boosting of anti-ballistic missile systems in Alaska and Guam that would primarily be of use in a nuclear war with China..."

 

What North Koreans Think: 'We Learned the Lessons in Yugoslavia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya; Be Strong'

http://www.4thmedia.org/2013/04/10/what-north-koreans-think-we-learned-t...

"...The US and South Korea plan is that the DPRK will collapse. The situation continues to deteriorate. They are playing a dangerous game.

Japan is also very hostile. The present government is very rightwing. It is trying to build a strong military using 'dangerous' DPRK as a pretext.

The American people should ask the US government to change its hostile policy. As the American government to sign a peace treaty and push for diplomatic ties with the DPRK."

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

From the above post article:

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The US has over 1000 nuclear weapons in South Korea – nuclear artillery, nuclear missiles, nuclear bombs, nuclear landmines.

This is not correct... the USA has had no nuclear weapons on the Korean peninsula for over 20 years.

 

sherpa-finn

Bec.de.Corbin: This is not correct... the USA has had no nuclear weapons on the Korean peninsula for over 20 years.

Yeah, right, Bec. Like we're supposed to believe some US-based NGO comprising a network of world reknown nuclear scientists over some unknown blogger who claims he went to North Korea for a week and then wrote up what his tour guide told him. 

Give your head a shake.

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

I loved the "nuclear landmine" most of all.

Fidel

Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

From the above post article:

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The US has over 1000 nuclear weapons in South Korea – nuclear artillery, nuclear missiles, nuclear bombs, nuclear landmines.

This is not correct... the USA has had no nuclear weapons on the Korean peninsula for over 20 years.

 

The USA is the only country in the world with nuclear weapons stationed on foreign soil and nuclear-armed battleships roaming the seven seas. The US Military and its NATO underlings still have nuclear weapons positioned all over the world,  in Europe and supposedly to protect them from a cold war threat that doesn't exist anymore.

There can be no legitimate purpose for nuclear weapons.

NorthReport

Good!

U.S., China agree to rid North Korea of nuclear weapons

 

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/us-china-agree-to-rid-north-ko...

Fidel

Meanwhile, in another great game country situated close to China, Russia, Afghanistan etc and alleged to have hidden the infamous Elvis bin Laden under the noses of a US-backed Military Dictatorship....

Pakistan Expands Nuclear Weapons Arsenal

The West's Deadly Nuclear Secrets For Sale Sibel Edmonds Speaks...

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WHISTLEBLOWER (Sibel Edmonds) has made a series of extraordinary claims about how corrupt government officials allowed Pakistan and other states to steal nuclear weapons secrets.....

Only U.S.-backed military dictatorships and other friendlies are supposed to be nuclear-armed to the eye teeth and threatening other countries with expanding nuclear arsenals.

The awful truth is that there are Xian fundamentalist wackos in places they shouldn't be, like Warshington and DoD who fully believe it is their divine purpose to help bring about WW III or "Armageddon." The wackos fully believe that 6 million Jews must perish in great "columns of fire and smoke" and leaving but 200000 of the chosen people behind or whatever in hell it is the wackos believe. Can't get much more anti-Semitic than the wackos in Warshington and Pentagon and all their right wing wacko allies,  dangerous idiots that they are.

There is a threat to peace, security and democracy on the Korean Peninsula. And they should get the hell home where they belong!

 

NDPP

this modest proposal from the NYT..

 

Bomb North Korea, Before It's Too Late  - by Jeremi Suri

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/13/opinion/bomb-north-korea-before-its-to...

"The Korean crisis has now become a strategic threat to America's core national interests. The best option is to destroy the North Korea missile before it is launched.

President Obama should state clearly and forthrightly that this is an act of self-defense in reponse to explicit threats from North Korea and clear evidence of a prepared weapon. He should give the leaders of South Korea, Japan, China and Taiwan advance notice before acting..."

Shouldn't  Israel's be next?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction

 

NDPP

The Reasons For the Crisis on the Korean Peninsula  -  by Alexander Verontsov

http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2013/04/12/the-reasons-for-the-cri...

"A pressing need has arisen to examine the real underlying causes of what is commonly referred to as 'the Korean Problem'. In short the initial cause is the unresolved outcome of the Korean War..."

 

The Key to Peace in Korea - Remove the US Presence  -  by Tony Cartalucci

http://nsnbc.me/2013/04/13/key-to-peace-in-korea-remove-us-presence/

"...The present world order serves the needs of the US and its allies which constructed it..."

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

Fidel wrote:

and nuclear-armed battleships roaming the seven seas.

You are incorrect, the US Navy has no battleships in its fleet.

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The last battleship on active duty was   USS Missouri (BB 63)   decommissioned Mar. 31, 1992.  In the 21st century, there are no   battleships in the United States Navy.

 

NDPP

US Playing 'Very Dangerous Game' in Korean Peninsula: Analyst (and vid)

http://www.presstv.com/detail/2013/04/15/298387/us-plays-very-dangerous-...

"An analyst tells Press TV that the US has engaged in 'a very dangerous game' in the Korean Peninsula by precipitating the crisis in the region..."

kropotkin1951

Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

You are incorrect, the US Navy has no battleships in its fleet.

You are right they have gone away from the BB hull design and no longer use that designation for any ship.  You are merely playing the semantics game because the other styles of ships that would be used in battle are no longer called battleships. Here is a list of types of ships the US Navy uses now.  All of them are ships that can be used in battle.

http://www.navy.mil/navydata/our_ships.asp

NDPP

Canada Must Have 'Broader Discussion' About Missile Defence: Toews (and vid)

http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/canada-must-have-broader-discussions-abou...

"As North Korea's nuclear threats against North America continue to intensify, Canada's Public Safety Minister says the government must have a 'broader discussion' about missile defence. CTV News has learned from US sources that in light of ongoing threats from North Korean leader Kim Jung-un, the US has asked Canada to particpate in an anti-ballistic missile shield.."

kropotkin1951

Hilarious. Here's another great joke.

 

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

Just for laughs...Laughing

 

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

Mine is way better. (when the GIF is working)

Fidel

Yup, too funny. Always remember, Becs, Al CIA'da loathes you for your many freedoms.

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

Mine is way better than yours as well.

kropotkin1951

Yes Bec we get the fact that as an American you feel superior to all other people on the planet. Your nation is very Exceptional in that respect.

6079_Smith_W

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Yes Bec we get the fact that as an American you feel superior to all other people on the planet. Your nation is very Exceptional in that respect.

Oh I don't know.... I think we do a pretty good job of that ourselves. Sometimes I wonder what would become of Canadian identity if we didn't have the U.S. to compare ourselves favourably to.

/drift

kropotkin1951

Canadian Exceptionalism is not a national trait. Although I would agree that we are slipping into imperial arrogance as we become more and more integrated into the world order headed by our neighbours to the South.

Our government on the world stage has adopted that kind of arrogant Exceptionalism attitude but I don't think the average Canadian is there yet. It is going to cost us our aviation centre in Montreal because no one listens to a bully's third rate minions the way they do to the leader of the pack.

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Yes Bec we get the fact that as an American you feel superior to all other people on the planet. Your nation is very Exceptional in that respect.

Now your just being snappy. It has nothing to do with nationality and you’re taking this way too serious.  We used to pull a variant of that joke on each other when I was in the Army… it involved putting black shoe polish on the brow pad of the gunner’s or commander's site of the victim’s tank.

Fidel

Okay that's funny.

Bec, your country has been the only one to use nuclear weapons to commit mass murder. U.S. hawks have threatened other countries including North Korea, Vietnam, Iran etc with nuclear terror. It is illegal since Nuremberg to threaten sovereign countries militarily let alone nuclear threats.

What do you think about that?

Paladin1

Fidel wrote:

Okay that's funny.

Bec, your country has been the only one to use nuclear weapons to commit mass murder.

Don't forget chernobyl.

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U.S. hawks have threatened other countries including North Korea, Vietnam, Iran etc with nuclear terror. It is illegal since Nuremberg to threaten sovereign countries militarily let alone nuclear threats.

What do you think about that?

North Korea isn't threatening to use nukes?

kropotkin1951

Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

We used to pull a variant of that joke on each other when I was in the Army… it involved putting black shoe polish on the brow pad of the gunner’s or commander's site of the victim’s tank.

Of course if you used to do it while serving in the American military then it must be all right.  Here is another "hilarious" joke your military personnel have engaged in.

I don't find anything funny about imperial humour. How many civilians in other countries have the evil North Koreans killed this year? How many has your jovial Commander in Chief ordered murdered this year?  Do you think he jokes and laughs ever week while he makes up the murder list in the Oval Office?

Roystonbones

Although horrific Chernobyl was not an intentional bombing of civillians. The only country to intentionally use nuclear bombs is the US - Nagasaki and Hiroshima.

I agree in some respects it has nothing to do with nationality - especailly on the NATO side. We are now so integrated militarilly with the American psyche of freedom that we Canadians are too beleiving in our own exceptionalism and  identifying more and more with American culture instead of our own. If I have to bomb you its for your own good.

Fidel

OathofStone wrote:
Don't forget chernobyl.

Chernobyl was an accident, like the Fukushima tragedy in more recent times.

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North Korea isn't threatening to use nukes?

Given the US Military dictatorship's proven record for perpetrating nuclear mass murder and a host of other war crimes since WW II, and its propensity for actually threatening nuclear mass murder and actual-historical record for bombing and invading sovereign countries since just the end of the cold war, which of the principal countries involved in this standoff on the Korean peninsula would you suppose is the largest threat to peace and democracy in the region? Hint: Korea is nowhere near the continental USA, and North Korea who you've been brainwashed into fearing has no record for actually bombing any country.

We'll give you three guesses, and the first two don't count.

6079_Smith_W

@ Fidel

Accident?

I think your joke takes the prize, actually.

Paladin1

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

We used to pull a variant of that joke on each other when I was in the Army… it involved putting black shoe polish on the brow pad of the gunner’s or commander's site of the victim’s tank.

Of course if you used to do it while serving in the American military then it must be all right.  Here is another "hilarious" joke your military personnel have engaged in.

I don't find anything funny about imperial humour. How many civilians in other countries have the evil North Koreans killed this year? How many has your jovial Commander in Chief ordered murdered this year?  Do you think he jokes and laughs ever week while he makes up the murder list in the Oval Office?

 

Uhh, are you comparing the practical joke of putting boot polish on someones face (actually a photoshopped GIF file of it) to soldiers actually pissing on dead bodies?

I get that you hate the US but really?

 

Fidel wrote:

OathofStone wrote:
Don't forget chernobyl.

Chernobyl was an accident

 

Accident huh? Sure it was...

kropotkin1951

OathofStone wrote:

Fidel wrote:

OathofStone wrote:

Don't forget chernobyl.

Chernobyl was an accident

Accident huh? Sure it was...

I get that you hate the USSR but really?

Paladin1

kropotkin1951 wrote:

OathofStone wrote:

Fidel wrote:

OathofStone wrote:

Don't forget chernobyl.

Chernobyl was an accident

Accident huh? Sure it was...

I get that you hate the USSR but really?

 

But I don't inject how much I hate the USSR into most of the posts I make. I also don't suggest a Russian playing a practical joke is in the same catagory as Stalin killing millions of people.

kropotkin1951

A found the "joke"by an American to be in the same category as black face. I don't find imperial humour funny at all, whether it is laughing at world leaders who will not bend to will of the Evil Empire or its soldiers getting a good laugh out of pissing on dead bodies.

This thread is about Korean war games. You know the ones where the US is on the wrong side of the Pacific threatening a country with mass destruction. Since that country has already been destroyed once by the US and its allies I don't find any humour in it.

To me the "joke" does not count as discussion from a progressive point of view that incorporates anti imperialism. So I responded with the reality of American humour within its occupying troops.

Unionist

kropotkin1951 wrote:

This thread is about Korean war games. You know the ones where the US is on the wrong side of the Pacific threatening a country with mass destruction. Since that country has already been destroyed once by the US and its allies I don't find any humour in it.

Nor do I.

Especially not on the 43rd anniversary of the murder of U.S. students who were protesting their country's invasion and massacre of the people of Viet Nam and the undeclared bombing of Cambodia.

Today, as then, there were those who believed and spread every filthy lie told by the U.S. murderers, and demonized and dehumanized anyone who didn't play ball.

 

6079_Smith_W

"An American"?

Come on, kropotkin, you can call our fellow babbler by name, unless you want to reduce this to judging him based on his passport - which in my books is as good as racism

This is bullshit. And if you want to get down to it he did have the funniest joke.

Now can we stop this, or do I have to trump your indignities to dead bodies with some downed airliners, starving children, and people seized at the border having holes punched through their hands and strung together with lengths of cable?

Or for that matter there are enough atrocities committed by Canadians, so the passport shit is kind of academic, isn't it?

kropotkin1951

Go ahead Mr. Smith do what ever you feel you have to.

Fidel

OathofStone wrote:
Don't forget chernobyl.

Fidel wrote:
Chernobyl was an accident

Accident huh? Sure it was...

And we neglected to mention the fact that the US Military dictatorship offered two atomic bombs to France in 1954  so that they could solve their collective problem in Vietnam.

If you want to know about intent and which of them hath committed nuclear mass murder in their imperialist black hearts as well as  actually,  the historical record is there for all to examine.

The Yanks should get the hell off the Korean peninsula and let Koreans choose democracy on their own and on their terms not by coercion and outside military threats. Nuclear threats and democracy are two totally incompatible themes.

6079_Smith_W

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Go ahead Mr. Smith do what ever you feel you have to.

Sure k. You're just one of those people who broke their commitment to the Kyoto accord, and are Israel's best friends.

Just kidding, of course, but does that make my point any clearer?

Paladin1

Fidel wrote:

 

The Yanks should get the hell off the Korean peninsula and let Koreans choose democracy on their own and on their terms not by coercion and outside military threats. Nuclear threats and democracy are two totally incompatible themes.[/size]

 

Do you think North Korea would have fair elections?

I don't really care if Koreans want to choose democracy or not and I don't think it's a valid reason for the US to be involved in their politics but I don't think the average North Korea really gets much in the way of choice when it comes to their government.

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