More Wikileaking

M. Spector wrote:

[url=http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2010/12/03/dan-gardner-why-should-as... Gardner[/url], Ottawa Citizen, asks [b]"Why should Assange be punished when Bush goes free?"[/b]

There were several attempts to apprehend George Bush for his crimes, including in Canada. Lawyers Against War (LAW) canvassed all MPs prior to Bush's visit to Calgary, his first as a private citizen. Canada's law already provides, indeed demands, that any 'credibly suspected' unindicted war criminal shall either be refused entry to Canada or apprehended pending trial for the alleged offences. There was no positive response from any parliamentarians according to L.A.W. Jack Layton's office did respond, baldly telling L.A.W they would entertain 'no further correspondence on the issue'. The other was the citizen's arrest attempt of Bush by John Splitting the Sky Hill. There was little support for either initiative at the time. Ditto when UofC invited Condi Rice to be guest of honour at their Gala. Neither CFS or any academic organization protested this obscene war criminal presiding over a 'Gala' at a Canadian University.  Canadians, it seems, know which side their bread is buttered on.

Thank God for JA and WL is all I can say.

I think the more serious issue concerns whether or not the leaked material can be vetted and prepared without Assange. So far they have only released 1000 or so of a 1/4 million cables, and I imagine the process is slow. I also imagine that if we are having trouble getting wikileaks online, there are similar efforts to keep Assange off-line with his colleagues.

I don't know how things will shape up if he is arrested and taken off to Sweden.

Police Complaint Filed After Tom Flanagan Calls for Assassination of WikiLeaks' Julian Assange

http://www.straight.com/article-362941/vancouver/lawyer-files-criminal-f...

"Vancouver lawyer Gail Davidson filed a written complaint today (Dec 4) with Vancouver police and the RCMP against Prime Minister Stephen Harper's former campaign manager, Tom Flanagan. Davidson alleged that on a Nov 30 CBC television broadcast, Flanagan 'counselled and/or incited the assassination of Julian Assange contrary to the Criminal Code of Canada."

Killing WikiLeaks and Making Collaborators of Us All  - by Arthur Silber

http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.com/2010/12/killing-wikileaks-and-makin...

"First Amazon forbade WikiLeaks the use of its servers. Now PayPal' has permanently restricted the account used by WIkiLeaks'. WikiLeaks won't be able to receive any donations via PayPal in future...

The corporatist-authoritarian State is designed to force all of us to become its collaborators. If you wish to survive in such a State, you either collaborate or your life becomes increasingly difficult. In the most extreme case, your non-cooperation means you will die.."

Fidel wrote:

[url=http://pakobserver.net/detailnews.asp?id=64803][color=blue]Wikileaks suggests 9/11 pre-planned[/color][/url] Pakistan Observer

Wikileaks suggests nothing of the sort.

Wikileaks "reveals" that the USA was planning a propaganda campaign against Osama bin Laden  in 1999. We knew this already. The campaign was in fact already in full swing before 2001. It has nothing whatsoever to do with 9/11.

Do get back to us when Wikileaks publishes secret diplomatic cables in which plans for 9/11 are [b]actually mentioned[/b].

M. Spector wrote:

Fidel wrote:

[url=http://pakobserver.net/detailnews.asp?id=64803][color=blue]Wikileaks suggests 9/11 pre-planned[/color][/url] Pakistan Observer

Wikileaks suggests nothing of the sort.

Wikileaks "reveals" that the USA was planning a propaganda campaign against Osama bin Laden  in 1999. We knew this already. The campaign was in fact already in full swing before 2001. It has nothing whatsoever to do with 9/11.

Do get back to us when Wikileaks publishes secret diplomatic cables in which plans for 9/11 are [b]actually mentioned[/b].

 Oh come on! WikiLeaks shows that Saudi royals are a significant source of funding for al-CIA'duh. Which two countries were the largest sources of funding for the mujahideen in the 1980s? Are you trying to say that the US taxpayers suddenly stopped funding right wing extremists in Afghanistan and Pakistan at some point? That onus of proof is not with you or me. The onus of proof lies with those people who are still funding the madrassah system in Central Asia and who are aiding and abetting the Taliban covertly and even admittedly today.

9/11 actually began in July of 1979. It's a 30 year-old conspiracy. Some of the cables indicate the same US animosity with Russia exists today that existed in Zbigniew "Mackinder wannabe" Brzezinski's time in the sun. 9/11 was an inside job as surely as Gulf of Tonkin and Pearl Harbor were intelligence operations as was operation Himmler in 1939. Let it happen-made it happen on purpose no real difference. War criminals should be arraigned on charges of false flag and prosecuted by a World Court same as the Nazis were for disturbing the peace. If operation mongoose was on the table in Kennedy's day, then why would similar plans for hijacking passenger planes and using them to kill Americans and blaming a false enemy for it not be on the Pentagon capitalists' table in 2001?

Evidence of previous guilt is not evidence of innocence in 2001.

Motive does not prove guilt.

The point I am making is simple. There is already plenty of evidence that the USA was moving toward invasion of Afghanistan, in one form or another, pror to 9/11. This tidbit from Wikileaks is just another piece of the already existing evidence.

I am not talking about "whistle blowers" I am talking about open meetings, and press reports of the era.

The most significant difference between SS intel operation Himmler and the US Military-CIA's operation 9/11 is that there was a war crimes trial at Nuremberg that revealed the false flag nature of the pre-emptive attack on Poland.

Both of those inside jobs resulted in justification for military attacks on and marching into sovereign countries.

They can plan things all they want, but both the Nazis and the Bushlers needed justification for it. The Bushlers did not receive UN authorization but attacked anyway even though the USA was in no imminent danger of follow up attacks from al-CIA'duh.

Neither Afghanistan nor Iraq had anything to do with 9/11.

Elvis bin Laden is a myth. EBL and all of the anticommunist right wing extremist jihadis are their very own creations since July of 1979 and ongoing today.

WikiLeaks confirms that the CIA-Saudi operation Cyclone is ongoing. And actually, WikiLeaks cables are confirming what the 9/11 whistleblowers have said all along about US-Saudi funding of right wing extremism in Central Asia still happening today.

Cueball wrote:

There is already plenty of evidence that the USA was moving toward invasion of Afghanistan, in one form or another, pror to 9/11.

So what you're saying is that like Hitler and the SS were not really fearful of Polish attacks on Germany in 1939, the Bushlers and Liberal Democrats were never really fearful of al-CIA'duh, the invisible army of darkness. They were going to attack Afghanistan anyway just like the Nazis were planning to violate Molotov-Ribbentrop II and launch a pre-emptive defensive and even humanitarian war on Poland. And that's why Cheney and Rumsfeld are still running around giving speeches to the elite in North America and telling them Saddam had WMD and that the war on terror is for real when it isn't. The premise for the phony war is false. Thank you for emphasizing what 9/11 truthers have said all along.

Fidel wrote:

[url=http://www.wsws.org/articles/2010/dec2010/geor-d06.shtml][color=blue]Wik... exposes US cover-up of Georgian attack on South Ossetia[/color][/url] WSWS

This is more interesting than the other link. Here's a quote:

Quote:

The extent to which Washington was forewarned or even complicit in the attack on South Ossetia ordered by Saakashvili remains unknown, though WikiLeaks has only issued a fraction of the State Department documents in its possession. A Russian magazine has claimed it has information indicating that many of the leaked US State Department files still to be released relate to the 2008 Russia-Georgia war.

It would be a very, very serious matter if it could be shown that the US militarist regime was COMPLICIT in the attack on South Ossetia. There were already reports, at the time, of Ukrainian troops taking part in the Georgian slaughter in Tskinvali, South Ossetia. Direct US participation is a different matter.

I can't help but think that the Russians could do as much with the information remaining secret as with publicizing it. Any objective observer at the time could see that the US regime put Saakashvili up to the attack.

It's more a question of what's more embarrassing or what could provoke public outrage against the US regime. And I can't help but think that public outrage IN THE USA might be the most useful thing. Selecting WHAT to leak is maybe more complicated than it at first appears.

Quote:

PARIS - A French judge declined to force web provider OVH to shut down the WikiLeaks site, OVH said on Monday, after the government called for the whistleblower website to be kicked out of France.

The legal challenge came after French Industry Minister Eric Besson called for WikiLeaks to be banned from French servers after the site took refuge there on Thursday, having been expelled from the United States.

A court in the northern city of Lille had rejected a first complaint by OVH arguing that it was incomplete.

A new complaint was made Monday calling on judges in Lille and Paris to rule whether or the not the site was legal, said OVH in an email to AFP.

The Lille court again rejected it, while the Paris court said the case needed further arguments.

French web host need not shut down WikiLeaks site: judge

[url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11937110]Julian Assange arrested in London[/url]

Unionist wrote:

[What the heck is wrong with babble this morning? Denial of service? Are we harbouring Julian Assange or something? Couldn't post about Assange's arrest for the longest time...]

 

I am kind of curious when Rabble.ca is going to move its service from the US. The recent evens make it seem even less secure than it was before. I don't know if it makes sense to store peoples data on servers that are vulnerable to seizure by the American national security establishment. Joe Lieberman need only make a phone call apparently.

It doesn't matter. Even if the server was in Canada, we all access web sites in the US or are routed overseas by long haul data pipes emanating from the US anyway. NSA and CIA spooks are data mining stuff from around the world not just the US and Canada. Our stooges couldn't stop them even if they wanted to. They don't.

I hope this isn't what was slowing down rabble this morning!

[url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11935539]Wikileaks defended by hacktivists[/url]

Quote:

A group called Anonymous has hit sites that have refused to do business with the controversial whistle-blowing site with a series of distributed denial-of-service attacks.

It mirrors similar attacks aimed at the Wikileaks site.

Targets include the Swiss bank that froze founder Julian Assange's assets and PayPal which has stopped processing donations to Wikileaks.

Anonymous is a loose-knit group of hacktivists, with links to the notorious message board 4chan.

Unionist wrote:

I hope this isn't what was slowing down rabble this morning!

[url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11935539]Wikileaks defended by hacktivists[/url]

Quote:

A group called Anonymous has hit sites that have refused to do business with the controversial whistle-blowing site with a series of distributed denial-of-service attacks.

It mirrors similar attacks aimed at the Wikileaks site.

Targets include the Swiss bank that froze founder Julian Assange's assets and PayPal which has stopped processing donations to Wikileaks.

Anonymous is a loose-knit group of hacktivists, with links to the notorious message board 4chan.

Not surprised at all that these folks have gotten involved.  I would have been surprised if they didn't.

  I expect there's already movie scripts being written too.  Some sort of cyber political drama thriller.  

Julie should have asked OBL to rent him a room in one of the many big-giant Dr No type concrete bunker complexes at Tora Bora Rumsfeld was on about, or something. They'd never find him there. "snort-snicker-snort"

Merowe wrote:

Now that he is under restraint they will start to work on breaking him and defanging the final threat, the password-protected 'databomb' sitting on thousands of harddrives around the planet. Wikileaks will fade to a titillating memory as the planet lurches another step down the path of totalitarianism.

From what I have heard of the 'databomb' they've rigged it up so that Assange needs to "check in" every so often, and if he doesn't, then the password goes out.  It was set up in this way because they thought it would guarantee him some net access.

I think Wikileaks can run without his active involvement.  I guess he figured this was better for Wikileaks than being on the run.

N.Beltov wrote:

Fidel wrote:

[url=http://www.wsws.org/articles/2010/dec2010/geor-d06.shtml][color=blue]Wik... exposes US cover-up of Georgian attack on South Ossetia[/color][/url] WSWS

This is more interesting than the other link. Here's a quote:

Quote:

The extent to which Washington was forewarned or even complicit in the attack on South Ossetia ordered by Saakashvili remains unknown, though WikiLeaks has only issued a fraction of the State Department documents in its possession. A Russian magazine has claimed it has information indicating that many of the leaked US State Department files still to be released relate to the 2008 Russia-Georgia war.

It would be a very, very serious matter if it could be shown that the US militarist regime was COMPLICIT in the attack on South Ossetia. There were already reports, at the time, of Ukrainian troops taking part in the Georgian slaughter in Tskinvali, South Ossetia. Direct US participation is a different matter.

I can't help but think that the Russians could do as much with the information remaining secret as with publicizing it. Any objective observer at the time could see that the US regime put Saakashvili up to the attack.

It's more a question of what's more embarrassing or what could provoke public outrage against the US regime. And I can't help but think that public outrage IN THE USA might be the most useful thing. Selecting WHAT to leak is maybe more complicated than it at first appears.

Of course, the cables out of Tbilisi also have this to say about Russia:

20 July, 2007 - Russian Active Measures in Georgia

Quote:

 

Direct Military Attack:

Probably the most notorious recent incident was the missile attack on Georgian positions in the Upper Kodori Gorge on the night of May 11-12, 2007. As documented by a UN-led joint investigation, the attack included one or more helicopters that apparently fired a missile into the headquarters of the Georgian-backed “Government-in-Exile” of Abkhazia, as well as ground-fired missiles that struck near other targets in the area. UN investigators have told us privately that they agree with the Georgians that only Russia could have launched the attack, noting that while the final written report does not directly assign blame, “any reasonable person” would conclude from it that Russia was responsible . . .

. . .

Murders and Attempted Murders:

On February 1, 2005 a bomb exploded in a car at the police station in Gori, the largest Georgian city close to South Ossetia, killing three Georgian police officers. Following an investigation, Georgian Minister of Internal Affairs Merabishvili said publicly that the bombing was masterminded by Russian military intelligence (GRU) officer Anatoly Sinitsyn, leader of the GRU team that was subsequently broken up in the September 2006 spy arrests.

On June 8, 2006, neighbors approached a suspicious man loitering around the home of Koba Davitashvili, a leading opposition politician. The man fired two shots from a gun equipped with a silencer, slightly wounding one of the neighbors, and fled. He left behind a small bag that included a newspaper photo of Davitashvili and Russian cell phone company SIM cards. Following a Georgian investigation, Minister of Internal Affairs Merabishvili publicly identified the suspect as Giorgi Kurtaev, a Russian citizen who had been monitoring Davitashvili for several weeks, with one interruption for travel back to Russia. Following the June 8 incident Kurtaev fled again to Russia, from where Georgian officials unsuccessfully sought to extradite him.

. . .

Sabotage:

On January 22, 2006, near-simultaneous explosions in the Russian region of North Ossetia ripped into natural gas pipelines running from Russia into Georgia. Later that day, an explosion in the Karacheyevo-Cherkessia republic in Russia knocked out a high-voltage line supplying Georgia with electricity. The attacks immediately plunged Georgia into a major energy crisis, with virtually no ability to heat homes in the coldest part of winter.

. . .

In September 2006, the Georgian government arrested 29 activists of Igor Giorgadze’s Justice Party on charges of planning an explosion outside the headquarters of the ruling National Movement, intended to be the prelude to a coup . . . His Justice Party has never been popular in Georgia, and it was widely believed that the party was funded almost exclusively from Russia.

. . .

Support for Separatists:

The Russian government has provided direct, if at times thinly veiled, support to the separatist regions of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, without informing or obtaining the consent of the Georgian government. In South Ossetia, many de facto cabinet ministers and advisors to Kokoity are Russian officials -- in most cases believed to be FSB - serving a rotation in South Ossetia before returning to work in Russia. It is widely understood that Russia is paying, in full or in part, the salaries of police and other civil servants in South Ossetia - and that Russia recently increased these payments as a disincentive for South Ossetian officials to defect to the Georgian-backed temporary administrative unit of Dmitry Sanakoyev. The South Ossetians have reportedly received arms and equipment from Russia, including GRAD missiles, on various occasions, including during recent tensions.

. . .

Support for Minority Extremists:

Georgian officials in Tbilisi and Akhalkalaki, as well as local community leaders and political activists, have confirmed that the Russian government has funded radical ethnic-Armenian nationalists in Samtskhe-Javakheti in a bid to destabilize this mutli-ethnic, politically fragile region.

. . .

 

Fidel wrote:
 
WikiLeaks exposes US cover-up of Georgian attack on South Ossetia WSWS
 
 
This is more interesting than the other link. Here's a quote:
Quote:The extent to which Washington was forewarned or even complicit in the attack on South Ossetia ordered by Saakashvili remains unknown, though WikiLeaks has only issued a fraction of the State Department documents in its possession. A Russian magazine has claimed it has information indicating that many of the leaked US State Department files still to be released relate to the 2008 Russia-Georgia war.
 
It would be a very, very serious matter if it could be shown that the US militarist regime was COMPLICIT in the attack on South Ossetia.... Any objective observer at the time could see that the US regime put Saakashvili up to the attack.
Adding to Beltov, here's the why, I think, which got largely missed at the time:

As reported July 30, 08,

"Russia takes control of Turkmen (world?) gas

By M K Bhadrakumar

"From the details coming out of Ashgabat in Turkmenistan and Moscow over the weekend, it is apparent that the great game over Caspian energy has taken a dramatic turn. In the geopolitics of energy security, nothing like this has happened before. The United States has suffered a huge defeat in the race for Caspian gas."

details at

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/JG30Ag01.html

"In essence, the two agreements ensure that Russia will keep control over Turkmen gas exports."

That means the gas to go through the "impossible" but "whatever it takes" TAPI pipeline, the one NATO is slaughtering a path for.

The improved (?) news is that there's enough gas there for all plans. But this didn't come out until long after the Georgia crisis.

from: http://www.gasandoil.com/goc/news/ntc84897.htm

"15-10-08

On October 13 and 14 in Ashgabat, the British consultancy company Gaffney, Cline & Associates (GCA) presented the first results of its audit of Turkmen gas reserves. According to its research, the South Yoloten-Osman deposits, situated in the south-east of the country, contain 4 tcm of gas at the low estimate, 6 tcm at the best estimate, and 14 tcm at the high estimate.

The 6 tcm best estimate would make South Yoloten-Osman the fourth or fifth richest gas deposit in the world, according to GCA. That figure substantially exceeds the Russian Shtokman gas field's reserve estimated at 4 tcm. South Yoloten-Osman also outranks by far the Dauletabad gas field, whose reserves of 1.4 tcm were thought to be the largest in Turkmenistan until now."

So the game goes on. Russia can have the Dauletabad, there's more more more in the same region, dances can be done. On bigger and bigger piles of dead civilians in southern Afghanistan.

New search engine for doing word searches on [b]already released[/b] Wikileaks cables:

http://cablesearch.org/

This site is an initiative of the European Centre for Computer Assisted Research Eccar (starts in april 2010) and the Dutch-Flemish association for investigative journalists VVOJ.

It's a tool for investigative reporters who want to harvest cablegate documents and put the material into context.