NATO: A Fascist Imperial Tool of US Domination

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NDPP

Major Decisions At NATO Conference Overshadowed by Leaders' Gossip

https://buff.ly/34fyEuS

"Something big and important happened at the recent North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) conference in London and, no, it was not Canadian Prime Minister Trudeau, French President Macron, Princess Anne and British PM Johnson caught gossping about US President Trump on an open mic. The highly respected organization NATO Watch reports that there were a number of consequential outcomes of the conference, notable among them a commitment to increase military spending across Europe and in Canada by a staggering $400 billion.

NATO Watch has documented other worrisome new NATO inititiaves. For the first time ever, NATO has acknowledged outer-space as what it calls the 'fifth domain' of warfare. The other warfare domains are land, air, sea and cyberspace. Another worrying development is that NATO is backing down from a commitment to nuclear non-proliferation, arms control, and the eventual elimination of nuclear weapons..."

crickets.

NDPP

NATO Is A Threat To The Climate

https://twitter.com/DavidHeap/status/1211267139790749696

"...Rapidly reducing carbon emissions is impossible with rising militarism and military spending. One more reason to Say No To NATO! Canada should get out of NATO!"

NDPP

While Press and Public Focus on Iran, US Military Prepares For War With Russia

https://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-cold-war-back-focus-iran-military-pre...

"During the height of tensions with Iran last year, the United States conducted an unprecedented series of war games. Over five months, from May until the end of September, 93 separate military exercises were held, with forces operating in, above and around 29 countries. While the conventional view is one of Russian advantage, the new figures show that the US and its European partners far outstrip Moscow.

These operations and exercises, then NATO Commander, Army Gen Curtis Scaparrotti told Congress last Spring, were meant to 'introduce operational unpredictability to our adversaries.'  The question is: at what cost? Or more concretely, in putting two sides on a path where escalating military exercises and intermingling of forces increases tensions while also providing more and more opportunities for miscalculation..."

NDPP

Where Trudeau is hiding  instead of conducting urgent and necessary meetings here at home to resolve the exploding Wet'suwet'en crisis. His plans are to go from Munich to a Caribbean tour to buy UNSC votes for Canada.

NATO Secretary General Doorstep Statement Ahead of Munich Security Conference: 14, Feb, 2020 (and vid)

https://youtu.be/bbVYE6xhc2M

"We discussed NATO's plans to enhance our presence in Iraq..."

Paladin1

NDPP wrote:

Where Trudeau is hiding 

Oh I can answer that. The great progressive leader is slumming up to countries who ban and punish homosexuality in order to win is a coveted seat at the UN security council.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/politics/pm-defends-not-publicly-supportin...

 

I think he's somewhere shaking hands with the PM of Iran too, you know the country that tried to hide the fact it fucked up and murdered a bunch of Canadians.

Ends justify the means.

NDPP

Pepe Escobar: Munich Catfight Reveals East-West Divide

https://twitter.com/Consortiumnews/status/1231731061488484353

"In the end the conference did disintegrate into the catfight that will dominate the rest of the century, writes Pepe Escobar..."

NDPP

Defender 2020: Largest Mobilization of NATO Troops Against Russia in 25 Years

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/03/04/defe-m04.html

"The largest deployment of troops across the Atlantic in 25 years entered its main phase last weekend within the framework of the Defender Europe 2020 exercise. The scale of NATO's provocative military exercise underscore how far advanced the preparations for war are 75 years after the end of World War II. The United States and 18 other countries [Naturally, including Canada!] are deploying large contingents of troops from America and Western allies to the Russian border within a short period of time. In total, around 37,000 soldiers are participating in the exercise, which is to continue until June..."

 

NATO Defender Europe

https://scienceforpeace.ca/nato-defender-europe/

"Though not well publicized here in Canada, Canada will participate in the NATO Defender Europe 2020 war manoeuvres held in Europe between January 12 through July 10. Science for Peace, which counts as its members the late Ursula Franklin and John Polyani, unreservedly oppose this provocative and regressive recapitulation of the brutal 20th century.

In addition to NATO's acceptance of a nuclear weapons first strike strategy, a crime against peace under international law, a military strategy permitting the use of nuclear weapons is based on the Cold War belief that a nuclear war is winnable and is an atrocious gamble with human survival. In addition, the military is the largest emitter of greenhouse gases and this poses two threats of human extinction, rendering this era the most dangerous and precarious in human history.

Yet the Government of Canada has acceded to NATO policies without any dissent by elected representatives. No NATO countries have signed the UN Treaty on the Prevention of Nuclear Weapons, leading to the elimination of all nuclear weapons. Superseding NATO and individual nation states is the UN Charter, which defines a war of aggression as the supreme crime as it encompasses all other crimes. The UN Charter is a binding international agreement..."

'We're going to change NATO from within!' Jack Layton, NDP

NDPP

Hitler's Foot-Soldiers: Latvia's Nazis the Pride of the Country says Defence Minister

https://twitter.com/davidpugliese/status/1313901055147556865

"Defence Minister Sajjan met today with Latvian Defence Minister Pabriks. But Sajjan refused to condemn or even discuss Pabriks' glowing praise of the Latvian SS. Last September Pabriks said the Latvian SS members 'are the pride of the Latvian people and of the state."

Notice how well Canada gets on with the worst fascist ultranationalists and Russophobic xenophobes. Of course what can Sajjan say given his own shadowy history of 'counterinsurgency' operations with American war-criminals in Afghanistan.

NDPP

Canada jumps closer to military spending target thanks to Covid-19's economic damage

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/canada-jumps-closer-to-military-spending...

"Canada has taken a big leap closer to meeting its promise to the NATO military alliance to spend a larger share of its economy on defence thanks to an unexpected assist from COVID-19. New NATO figures released Wednesday show that largely thanks to the pandemic, Canada is posed to spend the equivalent of more of its gross domestic product on defence this year than any any point in the past decade.

NATO and the US have repeatedly criticized Canada for not meeting the target, with President Donald Trump in December calling Canada 'slightly delinquent' during a meeting with Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. The NATO figures show that Canada is poised to spend 1.45 per cent of its GDP on the military this year. That is not only a big jump from the 1.29 per cent last year but the largest share of the economy in a decade."

'NATO? We'll change it from within!' - Jack Layton-

NDPP

Defense Secretary Visits Hawkish Atlantic Council to Announce US Troop Buildup on Russian Border

https://www.mintpressnews.com/defense-secretary-mark-esper-atlantic-coun...

"US Defense Secretary Mark Esper visited the notorious Atlantic Council, funded by a who's who of weapons makers and despotic regimes, to announce that the US would not, indeed, be withdrawing troops from Germany but sending them to Russia's border instead.

The administration's plan to ramp down the US military presence from 36,000 troops to 24,000 was met with overwhelming hostility in Washington when it was first announced in July, the Democrat-controlled House of Representatives even included an amendment to its version of the 2021 National Defense Authorization Act to block funding for any withdrawal.

Both Republican Sen. Mitt Romney and CNN described the idea as Trump's 'gift to Russia.' While Democratic Sen Bob Menendez claimed that 'champagne must be flowing freely this evening at the Kremlin.' Thus, the news of a change of course will likely be greeted warmly in 'resistance' circles..."

 

Mark Sedwill Launches his Novichok For NATO Campaign Against the German Rival

http://johnhelmer.net/mark-sedwill-launches-his-novichok-for-nato-campai...

"The Navalny Novichok of August 2020 is an operation in Berlin intended to draw the NATO Alliance into the German election campaign to ensure the outcome remains loyal to NATO and the US. The operation hasn't failed yet. It won't if the retired chief British bureaucrat and supervisor of the intelligence services and war machine, Baron Sedwill has anything to say about it. Last week he said quite a lot..."

NDPP

Canada Isolated in Opposing Nuclear Weapons Ban

https://yvesengler.com/2021/01/20/canada-isolated-in-opposing-nuclear-we...

Hostility to nuclear disarmanent from the US, Canada and Canada's military is too strong for the Trudeau government to stand up to its stated beliefs. Canadians need to press their government to sign the UN Nuclear Ban Treaty.

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NDPP

NATO Chief Stoltenberg Announces Expansion of Forces in Iraq from 500 to 4,000

https://twitter.com/MoonofA/status/1362428258004918275

"Is anyone aware of a request by the Iraqi government for more NATO occupation troops in its country?"

 

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Scott Ritter: NATO's expanding role hides the reality of a US empire in decline

https://on.rt.com/b24t

"...NATO's willingness to underwrite US military deployment in Europe and extend its reach to include the Pacific demonstrates that its current purpose is more about propping up America than securing peace. The recently concluded virtual meeting of NATO defense ministers has been billed as President Joe Biden's first opportunity to act on his promise of repairing the damage done to the military alliance by the contentious policies of his predecessor Donald Trump.

While a great deal of attention has been paid to the optics of unifying NATO under new, more inclusive American leadership, the harsh realities of the policy priorities pushed by Lloyd Austin, Biden's secretary of defense, and their underlying economics, point to a weakened US looking to further exploit a European military alliance for the purposes of propping up an America in decline.

The US also raised the possibility of enlisting NATO in the Pacific, where America is gearing up for a possible military conflict with China. While NATO has a history of extending its military reach beyond the borders of Europe - most notably in Iraq and Afghanistan, but also North Africa and the Persian Gulf - this is the first time a major discussion will take place regarding a possible NATO military role in the Pacific.

The possibility of the alliance's involvement in the region seemed attractive to Stoltenberg, who called it 'a unique opportunity to start a new chapter for transatlantic relations,' adding that China was a legitimate concern for NATO given that it, along with Russia, is 'at the forefront of an authoritarian pushback against the rules-based international order.'

As we can already see in the building of a 'Uyghur genocide' 'Free Novichocked Navalny' narratives,  plans are already well underway to give the always enthusiastic western collaborationist liberal stoogery, 'human rights' pretexts for supporting more imperialist war against official enemies they have already been well-coached to hate.

NDPP

Escobar: US/NATO Versus Russia-China in a Hybrid War to the Finish

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/escobar-usnato-versus-russia-chin...

"...Here, in a nutshell, and not exactly in code, is the NATO road map all the way to 2030 to harass and try to dismantle every relevant nook and cranny of Eurasia integration, especially those directly linked to New Silk Roads infrastructure/ connectivity projects (investment in Iraq, reconstruction of Syria, reconstruction of Iraq, reconstruction of Afghanistan).

The spin is on a '360-degree approach to security' that will 'become an imperative.' Translation: NATO is coming for large swathes of the Global South, big time, under the pretense of 'addressing  both the traditional threats emanating from this region like terrorism and new risks, including the growing presence of Russia, and to a lesser extent China.'

Shocked and Awed 21st Century Geopolitics, as configured in these crucial past two weeks, spells out the Unipolar Moment is six feet under. The Hegemon will never admit it hence the NATO counterpunch, which is pre-designed. Ultimately, the Hegemon has decided not to engage in diplomatic accommodation, but to wage a hybrid war on two fronts against a relentlessly demonized strategic partnership of peer competitors..."

And Canada, of course, as amply demonstrated by recent statements of FM Marc Garneau, and similar belligerent idiocies from  supposed opposition parties, will be foolishly and dangerously, 'all in.' Expect to find this reflected also in the coming 'defence' budget.

NDPP

NATO Headquarters: Blinken announces last global crusade

https://antibellum679354512.wordpress.com/2021/03/25/nato-headquarters-b...

"Secretary of State Anthony Blinken's address at NATO headquarters in Brussels on March 24, entitled Reaffirming and Reimagining America's Alliances, is a landmark, a watershed articulation of the most far-ranging and perhaps the final initiative of the West to preserve and extend world domination.

Despite more than the usual quotient of vapid, saccharine and unctuous words - when the dross is removed his words are chilling to an alarming degree. Incidentally, Blinken referred to the current administration as the Biden-Harris administration, the first time an American government has been identified in that manner. He also celebrated 'deepening NATO-EU cooperation', emphasizing that the European Union joined the US, Britain, and Canada in leveling sanctions against China over 'the atrocities being committed against Uyghurs in Xinjiang'..."

NDPP

Ukraine Looks to Canada for Help with NATO Membership as Russian military buildup grows

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-ukraine-looks-to-canada...

"...Ukraine is looking to others for help in persuading the NATO military alliance to set it on a path to membership. Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky, spoke with Prime Minister Justin Trudeau Tuesday, and Ukraine's ambassador to Canada told the Globe and Mail that 'an important part of the conversation was about Kyiv's drive for NATO membership.

'Canada has been supportive of our NATO ambitions so far. We would even ask for more. We would ask Canada to get this knowledge to others, maybe more skeptical partners inside of the alliance,' the envoy said. The Canadian Armed Forces has been training Ukrainian troops in Ukraine since 2015..."

Just as its Israel policy is largely influenced by the Israel lobby, Canada's Ukraine policy is largely influenced by the Ukrainian ultranationalist lobby, of which deputy prime-minister Chrystia Freeland is a long-time member. Unfortunately, both the CONS and NDP are also supportive of this extremist pro-NATO agenda.

NDPP

Zelenskyy asks Trudeau to help clear path to NATO

https://www.newpathway.ca/zelenskyy-asks-trudeau-to-help-ukraine-clear-p...

"...Heather McPherson, Deputy Foreign Affairs Critic for the New Democrats answered yes to both questions..."

As usual the NDP is always up for NATO and western imperialism, particularly in Ukraine. Several years ago the parliamentary members could even shout out the Ukrainian fascist equivalent to 'Sieg Heil' (Slava Ukraini!) to visiting Nazis like Parubiyi. And it is said that it was Chrystia Freeland who taught them to say it right. Far, far right.

Parubiyi & Stoltenberg (2018)

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/photos_160854.htm

kropotkin1951

NDPP wrote:

Zelenskyy asks Trudeau to help clear path to NATO

https://www.newpathway.ca/zelenskyy-asks-trudeau-to-help-ukraine-clear-p...

"...Heather McPherson, Deputy Foreign Affairs Critic for the New Democrats answered yes to both questions..."

As usual the NDP is always up for NATO and western imperialism, particularly in Ukraine. Several years ago the parliamentary members could even shout out the Ukrainian fascist equivalent to 'Sieg Heil' (Slava Ukraini!) to visiting Nazis like Parubiyi. And it is said that it was Chrystia Freeland who taught them to say it right. Far, far right.

Parubiyi & Stoltenberg (2018)

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/photos_160854.htm

This is the quote from the NDP. They have become a NATO cheerleader, not just a reluctant participant. This whole quotation makes me want to puke and then tear out my hair.

Heather McPherson, Deputy Foreign Affairs Critic for the New Democrats answered yes to both questions.

“The NDP will continue to strongly support Ukraine’s bid to join the MAP program and we have and will continue to push the government to advocate for this with our NATO allies. That Prime Minister Trudeau and (Foreign Affairs) Minister (Marc) Garneau have been unwilling to explicitly state their support for Ukraine’s bid and their failure to adequately support the bid via advocacy efforts and multi-lateral diplomacy is very disturbing.

“Further, the NDP would expand both the scope of Operation Unifier and number of CAF personnel within the program. In December 2018, the NDP called for an extension of operation UNIFIER after an unprecedented act of aggression by Russia which seized three Ukrainian ships and their 20 crew members off the coast of Crimea. As you know, in March 2019 the operation was renewed. The support needs to be renewed and increased to acknowledge recent increased aggression by Russia.

“In addition, Canada should deepen its support for people-to-people links, visa-free travel for Ukrainian citizens and reinstatement of the Youth Mobility Agreement. Through Global Affairs Canada, Canada should also extend existing development assistance funding,” she said.

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

Wow, so now the NDP caucus is condemning the Libs for being insufficiently warlike. LOL. What a bunch of useless losers.

laine lowe laine lowe's picture

Good f*cking grief. This is not the NDP that I supported and campaigned for since the 1980s.

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

The Anne McGrath Party are damn lucky Lascaris didn't win the Green leadership, because if he had, the Greens would be a real alternative for a lot of unhappy NDP supporters like me.

kropotkin1951

Michael Moriarity wrote:

The Anne McGrath Party are damn lucky Lascaris didn't win the Green leadership, because if he had, the Greens would be a real alternative for a lot of unhappy NDP supporters like me.

I have a great NDP MP who voted for the condemn China shit. I can't not vote for him but I wish he was a Svend or Bill and more willing to speak up against NATO imperialism. The central office under Jack drove Bill Siksay out of politics. When he was MP he called for a Peace Ministry not training fascist foot soldiers.

laine lowe laine lowe's picture

Bill Siksay was such an honourable and amazing MP. I contributed to his campaign even though I lived in Manitoba. He was the only member in Jack Layton's caucus that fully impressed me with his compassion and honesty.

NDPP

And it was Jack Layton who, by way of explanation and reassurance for reversing a longstanding NDP position against Canada in NATO, said, 'we're going to change it from within.' It unfortunately appears very much the reverse has happened.

'Our troops have done a wonderful job in Libya over the past few months. I want to salute the efforts and courage of our troops..."  Nycole Turmel, NDP, 2011

NDPP

Czech Republic to Discuss Vrbetice Incident at NATO Session on April 20

https://tass.com/world/1279665

"Czech Prime Minister Andrey Babis and First Deputy PM Jan Hamacek on Saturday announced the expulsion of 18 employees of the Russian embassy in Prague, who were allegedly 'officers of Russian special service.' The move came in the context of the newly leveled circumstance of the 2014 blast at the ammunition depot in the village of Vrbetice. According to reports, 'officers of Russia's military intelligence' were allegedly involved in the incident.

The Russian Foreign Ministry expressed a resolute protest over this step taken 'under invented and ungrounded pretexts', and vowed response measures would follow. Twenty employees of the Czech embassy in Moscow were declared personae non gratae in response..."

NDPP

Biden's first trip outside the country will take him to NATO headquarters

https://news.antiwar.com/2021/04/23/bidens-first-trip-outside-the-countr...

"Having proven his undying loyalty to war and militarism for half a century, Joe Biden is the American president NATO has always dreamed of. Even better than Dwight Eisenhower, who was NATO's first Supreme Commander Allied Forces Europe. California, Alaska, New York and Florida, you'll have to wait. Joe may see you after he returns from NATO's new billion-dollar headquarters. Bomb Back Better."

NDPP

NATO Claims Large Exercise on Russia's Doorstep are 'a Defence'

https://youtu.be/YOR-pSpu2QU

"NATO starts its largest military exercises in decades right on Russia's doorstep..."

NDPP

Britain ratchets up NATO's war drive against Russia

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/05/07/ukru-m07.html

"...Addressing the Russian 'threat' this week, Chief of the Air [Head] Staff, Sir Mike Wigston told PA,  'Anything is possible and the world is an increasingly unstable place.'

Says Perfidious Albion who continues to work hard to make sure it stays that way.

NDPP

Brussels Summit Communique

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_185000.htm

"NATO is the strongest and most successful Alliance in history. It guarantees the security of our territory and our one billion citizens, our freedom, and the values we share, including individual liberty, human rights, democracy and the rule of law...

We reaffirm our adherence to the purposes and principles of the UN Charter..."

That's only one of many NATO lies:

'We the peoples of the United Nations determined to save succeeding generations from the scourge of war...'

https://www.un.org/en/about-us/un-charter/full-text

NDPP

NATO Summit leaders to agree that China presents security risk

https://twitter.com/dimitrilascaris/status/140645008796434433

"NATO honchos have declared that China presents 'systemtic challenges to the rules-based international order.' Today, there is no greater threat to the 'rules-based international order' than the United States government."

Yet still cheered on by some who continue a proud Canucklhead 'progressive' tradition of never speaking ill of a US president, as long as the monster is 'Democrat'.

NDPP

NATO Summit Threatens China at US Instigation

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/06/15/nato-j15.html

"Members of the 30-nation NATO alliance concluded their summit Monday with a communique targeting China, declaring that it poses 'systemic challenges' to the military alliance. The wording of the document marked a signficant new stage in the efforts of the United States to, in the words of US President Biden, 'organize the world to take on China,' as part of a massive escalation of tensions by Washington against Beijing.

On Wednesday, US Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin issued a directive declaring China to be the 'number one' focus of the US military..."

lagatta4

NATO is imperialist, and belligerent. It isn't Nazi.

kropotkin1951

lagatta4 wrote:

NATO is imperialist, and belligerent. It isn't Nazi.

During the Boxer Rebellion U.S., Russian, German, Austrian, Italian, French, Japanese and British troops were sent to put down the rebellion. The Chinese have free primary school education and every Chinese student is taught that history. The Chinese people support their government because they stand up to NATO. They have been taught the history of what they call the century of humiliation. I watch videos of China and the site of the old Imperial Palace is a major tourist attraction for young Chinese people. They know that the West destroyed the greatest architecture the world had every seen and some of the recreations are astounding. So is that CPC propaganda or teaching your children their history?

melovesproles

lagatta4 wrote:

NATO is imperialist, and belligerent. It isn't Nazi.

I assume it's a reference to NATO cozying up with neonazi paramilitary groups like the Azov Battallion in the Ukraine.

NDPP

See opening post.

There are other overlaps of course. Both are in the business of war crimes. NATO's destruction of Libya, unanimously approved by the Canadian parliament, with a bombing campaign led by Canadian RCAF Lieut-Gen Charles 'the Butcher' Bouchard, was quite comparable to several Nazi accomplishments I can think of. Not to mention a history of  actual Nazis in the organization itself:

https://www.dispropaganda.com/single-post/2019/04/04/natos-secret-nazi-past

But not to worry. Justin Trudeau plans to make NATO nicer and  fulfill Jack Layton's fondly expressed hope 'Canada will change NATO from within!' after all. I can hear the green cheers already...

A New NATO Centre on Climate and Security in Canada...

https://rabble.ca/blogs/bloggers/brent-patterson/2021/06/new-nato-centre...

"Yesterday at the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) summit in Brussels, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau affirmed Canada's interest in hosting a NATO 'center of excellence' conference on climate and security. It is not clear in what city this 'centre of excellence' -- defined by NATO as an 'international military organization' will be based, when it will open or how much it will cost..."

NDPP

NATO Slams China, Russia before Biden-Putin meeting

https://youtu.be/ujEQGRLVCNc

"Former UK MP George Galloway and (NYT writer) Ed Martin weigh in..."

NDPP

'We have decided that a cyber attack can trigger Article 5': NATO

https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1404884399657787392

"We have decided to lower the threshold for launching wars because we are NATO and we have no other reason to exist."

NDPP

NATO has been called the greatest threat to world peace - Now Biden plans dangerous expansion that will increase military spending and escalate the risk of war.

https://covertactionmagazine.com/2021/06/17/nato-has-been-called-the-gre...

"From the moment he was elected to the US Senate, Joe Biden was groomed for high office by his mentor, Averell Harriman, a fabulously wealthy investment banker, governor of New York, coordinator of the Marshall Plan and one of the original US representatives to NATO after its formation in 1949.

Harriman died in 1986 but would have been proud of his protege on Monday, June 14, when Biden gave a public briefing at the annual NATO summit in Brussels in which he affirmed the US commitment to the NATO alliance and Article 5 of its charter as a 'sacred obligation'.

Biden also lauded a NATO blueprint promoting greater military spending* to constrain the alleged threats from China and Russia - which Biden following Harriman has long played up..."

*To which Biden's trusty Canadian subaltern Justin Trudeau appears already to have embraced. See #186

lagatta4

I have been anti-NATO in every party and group I've ever been involved in. I just mistrust sloppy language. I assure you that I'm aware of such imperialist crimes (not only by NATO) as putting down anti-imperialist rebellions, massacres etc.

6079_Smith_W

But let's not mention the country that claims the mantle of anti-fascism, but in fact had  political, economic and secret police agreements with the Nazis, and currently funds far-right movements and parties in Europe, and elsewhere.

I am glad this place still has the doors open, but it sucks to see a dedicated longtime poster (longer than me, anyway) shut down by campism and whataboutism. So long as the trolls rule the roost it really isn't much of a discussion board.

I have no skin in the game at this point, but this really should be a place where people can talk.

Lagatta is right. I would add that Nazi is at this point a meaningless word that has been bent all out of shape. A lot of that abuse rests on the Soviet Union and those who followed them trying to build their reputation. Does anyone really believe that famous barrier was an "anti-fascist protection wall" as they called it?

 

NDPP

It's a title for a thread. See opening post.

6079_Smith_W

NDPP wrote:

It's a title for a thread. See opening post.

Yeah. I remember. It has been around for awhile.

So if I start a "Unicorn Party" thread that is automatically true too and nobody can question it? I notice the attempt to start a less biased alternative to the
 Belarus: Imperialists Run the Same Tired Old Script...  thread got spiked, so obviously there is nothing to see and we can move on. Just make sure you beat the guy with a phone book so the bruises don't show.

 

 

 

kropotkin1951

6079 are you asking for pro and con threads on all subjects or just that you get to name all the thread titles? Thanks for coming back to post and acting like a troll, by not contributing anything to a thread except personal attacks.

6079_Smith_W

No surprise you were going to show up, but really? You are a trained lawyer, man. You should know better than me what a bullshit argument that is.

Where did you get that out of my questioning NDPP's assertion that things posted here (like thread titles) should automatically be taken as the truth?

You really just help my point that some things are not open for discussion here, even when they are raised by people who have been here a long time.

NDPP

Azov [Nazis] graduates from the 1st NATO community standards course received this...

https://twitter.com/mikolaswed/status/913468028741996545

melovesproles

6079_Smith_W wrote:

You really just help my point that some things are not open for discussion here, even when they are raised by people who have been here a long time.

Discussion includes disagreement. If Lagatta feels like she is being shut down, she is capable of saying so without you putting words in her mouth.

I disagree with her that the language is that sloppy since NATO is supporting neonazi paramilitary groups in the UKraine. To me that fact, is more significant than the language being perceived as hyperbolic. But I'm not saying she or you aren't entitled to your opinion, just that I disagree.

I'd agree that there might be ambiguity in the title and that it could be misread as all NATO members are Nazis which is obviously false. But ambiguity in language doesn't always mean sloppiness and instead of focusing on deliberately misreading something, we could engage with the truth in the statement, in this case that NATO is supporting neonazi paramilitary groups in the Ukraine, and what does that say about NATO as a project and organization?

NDPP

Changed it. Always interesting what is taken issue with here and what is not.

NDPP

NATO Proclamation at Annual Summit Threatens the Peace

https://covertactionmagazine.com/2021/06/17/nato-proclamation-at-annual-...

"The NATO proclamation - promoted at its annual summit this week - that a cyber-attack could trigger Article 5 of the NATO treaty heightens the risk of military confrontations with Russia or China.

The expansion of the parameters of Article 5 in the 21st century that is claimed to allow for defense force - in violation of the UN Charter - is a danger to world peace."

lagatta4

The new title is more accurate. It would be even more so if it referred to complicity with fascists and neo-Nazis (I'm thinking more of Operation Condor as I've studied that far more closely) in defence of predatory imperialism. (The US took over the UK mantle, they are not the only imperialist powers: follow the money).

Edzell Edzell's picture

6079_Smith_W wrote:

 it sucks to see a dedicated longtime poster (longer than me, anyway) shut down ....

To what event does this refer?

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