NATO: A Fascist Imperial Tool of US Domination

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6079_Smith_W

Are you serious? Have you not read the most recent posts on this thread? Or is this just some of the gaslighting and playing deliberately obtuse which are also part of the standard toolbox? 

Someone - not some troll, but a person who has been here a long time, and has a solid reputation - correctly takes issue with misuse of a word and what is the response? Not asking that person to make a case, but implying it is an attack on China, and a bunch of other distractions and veiled attacks that have nothing  to do with the point.

It doesn't bode well for the future of this place if even questions in good faith don't get taken seriously, simply because they challenge one very narrow political line. 

Edzell Edzell's picture

6079_Smith_W wrote:

Are you serious? Have you not read the most recent posts on this thread?

To whom is this addressed?

NDPP

Pepe Escobar: The Real B3W ['Build Back Better'] - NATO Agenda

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/56600.htm

"NATO will be regimented to actively protect those investments that follow 'our values'. One thing is certain. There will be blood."

melovesproles

Edzell wrote:

6079_Smith_W wrote:

Are you serious? Have you not read the most recent posts on this thread?

To whom is this addressed?

I get the impression. 6079_Smith_W just has some axes to grind and is using this as a pretext to do so.

kropotkin1951

6079_Smith_W wrote:

Someone - not some troll, but a person who has been here a long time, and has a solid reputation - correctly takes issue with misuse of a word and what is the response? Not asking that person to make a case, but implying it is an attack on China, and a bunch of other distractions and veiled attacks that have nothing  to do with the point.

Context is everything. The NATO communique was a direct attack on China so I pointed out the imperial past of the main NATO partners in the context of China. Personally I think the term NAZI is overused and thus meaningless. I also think the idea that my post somehow was gaslighting Lagatta is bizarre. I think that fascist is a very accurate term for what NATO has morphed into during the nearly twenty years we have been posting here. I thought NATO was evil twenty years ago and since then it has destroyed; Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Venezuela etc etc.

I am apologetically  against Pax Americana and it rules based international order. I much prefer Article 2 of the UN Charter. It was drafted to prevent other powers from doing what the NAZI did prior to WWII when it annexed various parts of its neighbours under the pretense of protecting minority populations from persecution. Its such a good line that NATO has now taken it to an art form. So while technically NATO is not a NAZI organization they have evolved into an imperial body that employs the same tactics that the Nazi's used.

So tell me do you think the US has gotten better or worse as a world actor during the 18 years you have been posting here?

6079_Smith_W

Then  you agree about the misuse of the word. So why the flak instead of having a simple conversation?

I'd expect a reaction if it was a point like the one I just raised about the perennial double standards. But it wasn't. 

As for my axe to grind perhaps you are happy having maybe two dozen people posting here. I think it is a sad state of affairs, but entirely understandable given that even a simple question of semantics sets off the alarm bells.

 

 

kropotkin1951

6079_Smith_W wrote:

Then  you agree about the misuse of the word. So why the flak instead of having a simple conversation?

I'd expect a reaction if it was a point like the one I just raised about the perennial double standards. But it wasn't. 

As for my axe to grind perhaps you are happy having maybe two dozen people posting here. I think it is a sad state of affairs, but entirely understandable given that even a simple question of semantics sets off the alarm bells.

I wish I could say I missed having a discussion with you however you sidle sideways to avoid direct discussion of any relevant point.

So tell me do you think the US has gotten better or worse as a world actor during the 18 years you have been posting here?

6079_Smith_W

Well it's irrelevant.

What does one world power's behaviour, or whether it is better or worse than others have to do with the question of whether imperialism and fascism and Nazism are the same thing? Nothing. This isn't about how bad these states are, and in recent years they have all gotten worse.

You have already said you agree that Nazism is incorrect. Why not just agree in the first place?

kropotkin1951

6079_Smith_W wrote:

Well it's irrelevant.

What does one world power's behaviour, or whether it is better or worse than others have to do with the question of whether imperialism and fascism and Nazism are the same thing? Nothing. This isn't about how bad these states are, and in recent years they have all gotten worse.

You have already said you agree that Nazism is incorrect. Why not just agree in the first place?

Now I remember how to post with you.

You are absolutely correct and anything I said that might have sounded like I could disagree with your unassailable logic was clearly wrong.

Have a good day, I hope you find someone else to troll.

NDPP

Bacevich: Get Out of NATO...

https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2021/06/18/bacevich-get-out-of-nato-sh...

"If leaving NATO weren't bold enough by itself, Bacevich writes that the US should close down several of its combatant commands overseas, including European Command, African Command and Central Command.

The Biden administration has set out to prove that 'America is back' and that all its current security relationships will be restored and enhanced. This is exactly the opposite of what Bacevich recommends, and it shows how much of a throwback to an earlier era Biden's foreign policy is..."

The American empire is in steep decline no matter Biden's attempts to preserve it. A multi-polar world is upon us. 'All the king's horses and all the king's men can't put Humpty Dumb-ty together again.'

NDPP

British destroyer violates Russia's border in Black Sea, Russian ship and fighter jet respond with warning (and vid)

https://on.rt.com/bawp

"Shortly before the Defense Ministry publicised the incident, Russia's top army chief Valery Gerasimov told a Moscow security conference that NATO naval activity near Russia's borders had 'significantly increased.'

Dangerous and deliberately provocative. Cruisin for a bruisin...

NDPP

"...Meanwhile, in a script worthy of Dylan's Desolation Row rewritten by The Three Stooges, proverbial Atlanticist chihuahuas are raving that the Pentagon ordered the partition of NATO: Western Europe will contain China and Eastern Europe will contain Russia.

Yet what's actually happening in those corridors of European power that really matter - no baby, that ain't Warsaw - is that not only Berlin and Paris refuse to antagonize Beijing, but mull how to get closer to Moscow without enraging the Hegemon. Control Europe - or bust. Hence the Brave New NATO World; white man's burden revisited against Russia-China..."

Pepe Escobar: Requiem For An Empire: A Prequel

https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2021/07/28/requiem-for-an-empire-...

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