NATO's Canadian Commander in Libya, Charles Bouchard, Must Stand Trial for Warcrimes 2

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'Canadian Directing War on Libya: Directs Death and Destruction from Afar'

http://www.mathaba.net/news/?x=627188Prss

"...Charles Bouchard, the Canadian three-star air force general is running NATO's dirtiest war to date: 10,000 plus sorties, taking out Libyan civilians, dropping bombs from 10 Km high in the air and with 'boots on the ground' while killing babies and maiming people for life and keeping the US out of the uncomfortable limelight of commanding hostilities in an eighth Muslim nation. In charge of it all is General - 'call me Charlie!' - Bouchard. He is flippant and contemptuous about warcrimes charges, yet is certainly culpable.."

Video: 'NATO is the Cause of Our Catastrophe'

http://www.michelcollon.info/Libye-L-OTAN-est-la-source-de.html?

"they have put the country on its knees.."

NDPP

Lt. General Charles Bouchard on NATO Mission in Libya (CBC)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1XdYivPko0

"CBC: 'Is part of that mandate regime change?'

Gen Bouchard: 'Not at all, not at all..'

 

Charles Bouchard - Fast Tracked By Russ Hiebert

http://www.abeldanger.net/2011/04/charles-bouchard-fast-tracked-by-russ....

Bouchard on Wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Bouchard

Hoodeet

The Wikipedia photo shows the face of someone with flared nostrils and  steely eyes and sneering lips.  Bloodlust?

Can't be the same decorated general who has starred in the liberation of Libya.

 There's a subliminal thing that really gets to me about the look on the face of psychopaths who know they can get away with anything.  You know, Bernardos in uniform=total impunity.   

 

 

NDPP

Russell Williams was a colleague of Charlie's. Maybe pychopathy runs in the RCAF family? Could be, but even scarier is that this Bouchard  monster, like the Conservative and NDP monsters who actioned this national involvement in the Libyan butchery, are perfectly well adjusted and 'normal'. Well, they will have to live with themselves knowing they have destroyed a country and murdered so many. But we will all be told before the next election that we have to vote for them again in order to save ourselves. Time for some big changes to an obviously evil and rotten system.

'There's no art can find the mind's construction in the face' Shakespeare

NDPP

Petition: Charge NATO With War Crimes

http://www.petitiononline.co.uk/petition/charge-nato-with-war-crimes/3490

"NATO members that have been participating in air strikes in Libya include France, Britain, the United States, Canada, Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands and Italy.

I would like to make formal charges against the NATO Alliance for war crimes committed in Libya..."

Please sign and forward widely

NDPP

Libya: Here We Go Again  -  by Chris Hedges

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/libya_here_we_go_again_20110905

"...The NATO airstrikes on the city of Sirte expose the hypocrisy of our 'humanitarian' intervention in Libya. Sirte is the last Gadhafi stronghold and the home to Gadhafi's tribe. The armed Libyan factions within the rebel alliance are waiting like panting hound dogs outside the city limits. They are determined, once the airstrikes are over, not only to rid the world of Gadhafi but all those within his tribe who benefitted from his 42 year rule.

The besieging of Sirte by NATO warplanes, which are dropping huge iron fragmentation bombs that will kill scores if not hundreds of innocents, mocks the justification for intervention laid out in a UN Security Council resolution. We have, as always happens in war become the monster we sought to defeat. Our intervention, as in Iraq and Afghanistan, has probably claimed more victims than those killed by the former regime.

But this intervention, like the others, was never, despite all the high-blown rhetoric surrounding it, about protecting or saving Libyan lives. It was about the domination of oil fields by Western corporations.

Once the Libyans realize what the Iraqis and Afghans have bitterly discovered - that we have no interest in democracy, that our primary goal is appropriating their natural resources as cheaply as possible and that we will sacrifice large numbers of people to maintain our divine right to the world's diminishing supply of fossil fuels -

they will hate us the way we deserve to be hated.."

NDPP

Updates on Libyan War/Stop NATO News: Sept 6, 2011

http://rickrozoff.wordpress.com/

Time To Disband NATO: A Rogue Alliance

NATO's Endless Air War: 21,662 sorties, 8,140 Strike Missions

NDPP

'NATO Carpet Bombed Libya'

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/197775.html

"The North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) has 'carpet-bombed' entire neighborhoods in Libya, a writer and geopolitical analyst told Press TV's US Desk in an interview..

'They carpet-bombed the country...their deliberate tactic was to create a humanitarian disaster and to militarily clear the way, without any humanitarian regard, without any regard for human life...A police state is coming into formation. Nazemroaya further added that NATO should be held accountable for the warcrimes it has committed against the state of Libya..'

and its Commander in Libya, General Charlie 'The Butcher' Bouchard

NDPP

Going Rogue: NATO War Crimes in Libya  -  by Susan Lindauer

http://dissidentvoice.org/2011/06/going-rogue-nato-war-crimes-in-libya/

"...believe us when we say, we have huge aounts of documentation, we are collecting it every day. We want to file warcrime charges against Obama, Sarkozy, Cameron and NATO.."

African Woman Say Rebels Raped them in Libyan Camp

http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/09/07/v-print/2395359/african-women-say-...

"When the sun sets on the refugee camp for black Africans that has sprung up at the marina in this town 8 miles west of Tripoli, the women here brace for the worst. The rebels who ring the camp suddenly open fire. Then they race into the camp shouting 'gabbour, gabbour' - Arabic for whore - and haul away young women, residents say.."

Video: Hundreds locked up in Tripoli Jail Without Charge

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-14831833

"There are fears that a power vacum is developing in the Libyan capital of Tripoli..."

Todrick of Chat...

 

NDPP wrote:

Russell Williams was a colleague of Charlie's. Maybe pychopathy runs in the RCAF family? Could be, but even scarier is that this Bouchard  monster, like the Conservative and NDP monsters who actioned this national involvement in the Libyan butchery, are perfectly well adjusted and 'normal'. Well, they will have to live with themselves knowing they have destroyed a country and murdered so many. But we will all be told before the next election that we have to vote for them again in order to save ourselves. Time for some big changes to an obviously evil and rotten system.

'There's no art can find the mind's construction in the face' Shakespeare

 

 

Honourable Brent Rathgeber and Honourable Jack Layton pretending to be soldiers (well sailors in this case). There are 306 politicans that should be tried as war criminals here in Canada.

 

 


 

Fidel

Todrick of Chatsworth wrote:
NDPP wrote:

Russell Williams was a colleague of Charlie's. Maybe pychopathy runs in the RCAF family? Could be, but even scarier is that this Bouchard  monster, like the Conservative and NDP monsters who actioned this national involvement in the Libyan butchery, are perfectly well adjusted and 'normal'. Well, they will have to live with themselves knowing they have destroyed a country and murdered so many. But we will all be told before the next election that we have to vote for them again in order to save ourselves. Time for some big changes to an obviously evil and rotten system.
'There's no art can find the mind's construction in the face' Shakespeare


Honourable Brent Rathgeber and Honourable Jack Layton pretending to be soldiers (well sailors in this case). There are 306 politicans that should be tried as war criminals here in Canada.

 

RCAF, Russell Williams, the Navy and Jack Layton? I think I understand what you're getting at with this wild conspiracy picture now. Russell Wiliams and Jack Layton in the same post. It's a tenuous link I'll admit that much but the imagery is powerful. So, what else do you think about in your spare time? Bigfoot and Jack Layton?  What about the Masons, Bilderbergers and Jack Layton?

Todrick of Chat...

My point is that the elite white male privilege is strong in Canada both in the military and the government. These white rich and educated white men feel that can get away with anything they want including war crimes.

There is little or no reaction about this illegal war supported by these political leaders and political parties, and there is many people like you supporting the NDP's continuous support for bombing Libya. However you will never speak up against the NDP or thier crimes.

The NDP is just as guilty as the Conservatives in this crime and they should be punished just the same.

It is the same bound between Harper and Layton as is the bond between Bouchard and Williams. The bond of white male privilege.

Fidel

I received an email reply from Jack Layton a couple of months ago that said the NDP would not be supporting any further military action in Libya. 

And the Socialist International wasn't very supportive of Gadaffi last Spring either. Perhaps recent news of Moammar Gadaffi working with the American CIA to abduct and torture Libyans is true as well. You don't support those kinds of basic human rights violations, do you?

WilderMore

 The person to blame is Gadhafi for killing his own defenseless and unarmed people (until they rose up and said 'no more!). And Assad for the same thing.

Fidel

WilderMore wrote:

 The person to blame is Gadhafi for killing his own defenseless and unarmed people (until they rose up and said 'no more!). And Assad for the same thing.

And NATO. They violated their own "no-fly" order within weeks of signing into effect. R2P quickly turned into their right to plunder and bomb civilians and vital infrastructure. Libyans are in a mess now as a direct result of the Gladio Gang handing the country over to al-Qa'eda-linked LIFG rebels. That link is a helluva lot stronger than Jack Layton and Steve Lapdog Harper and definitely moreso than Jack Layton-Russell Williams. Of course our in-house anti-imperialists tend not to want to go against the grain of imperialism with anything other than the imperialists' own "blowback" theory regarding "al-Qa'eda" and NATO's long-time associations with militant Islam in general. Gadaffi thought he was working with the American CIA and British MI6 and SAS to rid libya of al-Qa'eda and militant Islamists. He thought wrong, because al-Qa'eda is really al-CIA'duh. Yes, Moammar Qadaffi, you were stupid for trusting the jackals.

Todrick of Chat...

Fidel wrote:

I received an email reply from Jack Layton a couple of months ago that said the NDP would not be supporting any further military action in Libya. 

And the Socialist International wasn't very supportive of Gadaffi last Spring either. Perhaps recent news of Moammar Gadaffi working with the American CIA to abduct and torture Libyans is true as well. You don't support those kinds of basic human rights violations, do you?

 

I do not support any type of violent action by any party or organization.

 

It does not matter that Jack Layton was not going to support any more military action. It matters that he DID support military action and thus committed war crimes on two different votes in parliament.

 

Erik Redburn

Let's not get too subtle here Fidel, if our hardline comrades want to arrest the whole of our government (and every other one that ever fought a foreign war in living memory) then I say go to it.  It would be interesting to see who would benefit most from the ensuing anarchy.  Just let me know when the committee of practically perfect peace mongers is firmly in charge again and we can expect our thousand years of universal peace and prosperity.

Fidel

Todrick of Chatsworth wrote:

Fidel wrote:

I received an email reply from Jack Layton a couple of months ago that said the NDP would not be supporting any further military action in Libya. 

And the Socialist International wasn't very supportive of Gadaffi last Spring either. Perhaps recent news of Moammar Gadaffi working with the American CIA to abduct and torture Libyans is true as well. You don't support those kinds of basic human rights violations, do you?

 

I do not support any type of violent action by any party or organization.

 

It does not matter that Jack Layton was not going to support any more military action. It matters that he DID support military action and thus committed war crimes on two different votes in parliament.

 

That's not true. Jack Layton and the NDP supported a "no-fly" resolution, which literally has nothing to do with planning or actually committing a war crime. "No-fly" was violated within days of its signing into effect, and the NDP withdrew support  for NATO's blitzkrieg aerial attacks in Libya.

Nuremberg principles for what constitutes war crimes are clear. Those responsible are high level Government members and military officials calling the shots. Herr Harper needed nither the encouragement nor numerical support from any other party when he toadied on Libya. Herr Harper and his immediate staff are directly responsible for Canada's war crimes in Libya.

Fidel

I guess that's another issue with being "elected" to phony majority government - they must accept a full majority of the responsibility and blame in kind for any crimes they commit while ruling with dictatorial power.

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

NDPP wrote:

'NATO Carpet Bombed Libya'

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/197775.html

"The North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) has 'carpet-bombed' entire neighborhoods in Libya, a writer and geopolitical analyst told Press TV's US Desk in an interview..

'They carpet-bombed the country...their deliberate tactic was to create a humanitarian disaster and to militarily clear the way, without any humanitarian regard, without any regard for human life...A police state is coming into formation. Nazemroaya further added that NATO should be held accountable for the warcrimes it has committed against the state of Libya..'

Nazemroaya has no idea what carpet bombing really means. Hundreds of thousands would be dead and there would be no way to hide it.

Here's real carpet bombing results...

 

Now I see where you guys get your stuff from... and you wonder why the majority of Americans and Canadians ignore your calls for war crimes charges...

Northern Shoveler Northern Shoveler's picture

So Fidel the NDP was duped by NATO and didn't believe the American generals who announced before the vote that a no fly zone meant bombing infrastructure.  So is Do-War incompetent or is he just another sycophant that feels really special when the military briefs him.  Do-War spread the viagra story in press conferences.  Maybe the NDP with its official party status could devote some research time to propaganda claims by NATO so they at least don't look naive when telling us war is peace in the making.  Do-War has also pointed to Syria for its sins but has not mentioned Bahrain or Yemen.  The NDP should get someone doing some work on those files so he can do more than regurgitate NATO bullshit.

Fidel

Bec.De.Corbin wrote:
Nazemroaya has no idea what carpet bombing really means.

NATO mafia admits to carrying out 20,633 aerial sorties over Libya since March. 

Yes, al-Qa'eda liberated Libya for the oil company jackals "all by themselves".

Frmrsldr

WilderMore wrote:

 The person to blame is Gadhafi for killing his own defenseless and unarmed people (until they rose up and said 'no more!). And Assad for the same thing.

It takes two to tango.

What about the U.S., U.K., French, Italian and other Western governments' collusion/cooperation via the CIA and MI-6, French, Italian and other Western intelligence agencies, with the Libyan (Gadhafi) and Syrian (Assad) governments when it came to rendition and the torture of people?

Remember Maher Arar?

Fidel

Northern Shoveler wrote:

So Fidel the NDP was duped by NATO and didn't believe the American generals who announced before the vote that a no fly zone meant bombing infrastructure.

What do you think to the news that Gadaffi and CIA were collaborating in the abduction and torture of Libyans? Why did the Socialist International not support Gadaffi (and his former CIA pals) abducting and torturing Libyans and apparently sending Libyan soldiers after them as well? 

What did YOU know, and when did you know it? And why didn't you say anything about it at the time? Have you ever considered the possibility that you yourself may be an accomplice to these crimes for witholding that information you claim to have been privy to? I'd keep quiet about it if I were you.

Erik Redburn

Well Shoveller, if anyone on my left wants to place De-war under citizens arrest I'll be right behind you.  About 2300 miles behind you.  I don't believe what was obviously a whipped vote should be used against every sitting member of Parliament though, outside the governing CPC.  (not the other one)   And I would like to see something remotely resembling a post-occupation plan that someone on planet earth could get behind and believe.  Pod people don't count. 

Northern Shoveler Northern Shoveler's picture

Do-War is the spokes person that is why I am citing him.  ER go back and show me where I have advocated for the NDP to be charged with war crimes.  Fidel your incoherency is actually quite humorous sometimes.

Fidel

Yes, not much has been said about all those other principal Gladio nations there like hyenas to the kill.

Northern Shoveler Northern Shoveler's picture

Sure Fidel you must be right I never speak about NATO or american imperialism I only blame the NDP.  

Rah rah NDP, War is Peace Do-war told me so. 

Fidel

Your rambling and feeble attempts at deflection of blame from the NATO mafia to non-government politicians in Ottawa is duly noted.

Fidel

I suppose they don't call you the Shoveller for nothing.

Frmrsldr

Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

NDPP wrote:

'NATO Carpet Bombed Libya'

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/197775.html

"The North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) has 'carpet-bombed' entire neighborhoods in Libya, a writer and geopolitical analyst told Press TV's US Desk in an interview..

'They carpet-bombed the country...their deliberate tactic was to create a humanitarian disaster and to militarily clear the way, without any humanitarian regard, without any regard for human life...A police state is coming into formation. Nazemroaya further added that NATO should be held accountable for the warcrimes it has committed against the state of Libya..'

Nazemroaya has no idea what carpet bombing really means. Hundreds of thousands would be dead and there would be no way to hide it.

Here's real carpet bombing results...

There's carpet bombing

and then

There's firebombing.

The two are not the same:

Carpet or area bombing is when planes drop bombs within an area indiscriminately - with no concern over what is destroyed. The object is not to single out military targets. The object is to destroy homes and other nonstrategic/nonmilitary/civilian targets to destroy morale and thus bring the war to an earlier end.

Firebombing is to intentionally create firestorms (a holocaust of fire to those who have experienced it) in cities and civilian populated areas. The intention is to destroy morale (and thus bring the war to an earlier end) but to do it by (intentionally) utterly destroying cities and civilian populated areas and to cause the most destruction, suffering and horror possible through conventional bombing.

The difference is one of (quantitative) degree in the amount of destruction, suffering and horror.

Both are "qualitatively" or morally and legally equally unacceptable and constitute war crimes/crimes against humanity.

Todrick of Chat...

Fidel, read the resolutions which was past in parliament. The NDP were not fooled into this illegal action, they jumped in with both feet as enthusiastically. But I understand completely, you do not want to admit error did occur and now you and others are willing to let these illegal crimes go unpunished to save face.

Either 307 politicians are either willing criminals or incompetent criminals for allowing this conflict to happen and continue to happen. They should be punish just the same. They voted for this illegal war, and should be the first ones held accountable for their actions.

Hoodeet

Babbling casuistries of war.

 

Dead are dead.

Towns without water and food medical service are Towns without water and food and medical service.

Land and water poisoned by DU and fuel and other toxic substances is .... ibid.

 

 

NATO has destroyed all that, whether carpetbombing or firebombing.

 

Boys, oh boys, and some pornographic fascination with weapons and war; and ah the ongoing casuistries about how many war crimes can dance on the head of a Canadian general . They laugh at us, the war-profiteering recycled-gladio maggot-hearted militaristic vermin.

 

 

 

 

 

Erik Redburn

Northern Shoveler wrote:

Do-War is the spokes person that is why I am citing him.  ER go back and show me where I have advocated for the NDP to be charged with war crimes.  Fidel your incoherency is actually quite humorous sometimes.

Todrick oC is openly calling for it -repeatedly- and so far only Fidel and myself are calling him out on it here.

Fidel

Todrick of Chatsworth wrote:

Fidel, read the resolutions which was past in parliament. The NDP were not fooled into this illegal action, they jumped in with both feet as enthusiastically. But I understand completely, you do not want to admit error did occur and now you and others are willing to let these illegal crimes go unpunished to save face.

The NDP and Socialist International all do not support Moammar Qadaffi. He was abducting and torturing Libyans with help from the American CIA. Torture and imprisonment without trial are basic human rights violations. 

This was was not the easy decision which you make it out to be. Was LIFG not a listed by the U.K. as a terrorist organization linked to al-Qa'eda as late as June 2011? And if they are a terrorist group financed by the CIA and Brits and French, do their lowest level members deserve torturing and murdering?  

No-fly mentioned nothing about carpet bombing and aerial support for LIFG and Qa'eda in overruning the country. That was easy enough for the NDP to withdraw support for NATO's violation of their own "no-fly"zone. Politics is politics, and the NDP played it smart. They knew the Harpers were going to cow-tow to Uncle Sam, too, and with or without support from any other party in Ottawa. 

Todrick of Chatsworth wrote:
Either 307 politicians are either willing criminals or incompetent criminals for allowing this conflict to happen and continue to happen. They should be punish just the same. They voted for this illegal war, and should be the first ones held accountable for their actions.
 

No, the NDP did not "vote for this illegal war." That is false. The NDP voted for a resolution which the terms of were violated by the NATO mafia within weeks of its declaration. You are, in effect, broadcasting false and misleading information concerning The Steve Harper Government of Canada's decision to launch a military attack on Libya for whatever reasons of your own. It would be bad journalism to say that. And, 

Journalists who engage in war propaganda must be held accountable

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

Fidel wrote:

Bec.De.Corbin wrote:
Nazemroaya has no idea what carpet bombing really means.

NATO mafia admits to carrying out 20,633 aerial sorties over Libya since March. 

Yes, al-Qa'eda liberated Libya for the oil company jackals "all by themselves".

And you have no idea what sorties means...

Fidel

Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

Fidel wrote:

Bec.De.Corbin wrote:
Nazemroaya has no idea what carpet bombing really means.

NATO mafia admits to carrying out 20,633 aerial sorties over Libya since March. 

Yes, al-Qa'eda liberated Libya for the oil company jackals "all by themselves".

And you have no idea what sorties means...

Okay I'll bite, What does acus.org really mean where they list 20,633 sorties under the bolded heading, Air Operations? It's obviously an invitation for people like yourself to ad lib for NATO, we do realize. And don't forget NATO assistance to al-Qae'da-linked LIFG rebels in the form of spy satellite intel and aerial reconnaissance flyovers, like they provided military intellgence to Saddam in regard to Iran's troop movements in the 1980s war when they supplied weapons and intel to both sides of that conflict. al-Qa'eda and militant Islam is their latest dark alliance, like when the aided and abetted Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge, the biggest mass murderers since Adolf Hitler.

M. Spector M. Spector's picture

WilderMore wrote:

The person to blame is Gadhafi for killing his own defenseless and unarmed people

Yeah. According to you and the MSM, killing your own defenceless and unarmed civilians is the most heinous crime against humanity.

Killing some other country's defenceless and unarmed civilians, on the other hand, is merely business as usual.

M. Spector M. Spector's picture

Fidel wrote:

No, the NDP did not "vote for this illegal war." That is false. The NDP voted for a resolution which the terms of were violated by the NATO mafia within weeks of its declaration.

I will charitably assume that your memory is simply faulty.

The fact is that on June 15, 2011, long after everyone knew that the war on Libya was about NATO and Canada pursuing regime change and not "defending civilians", the NDP caucus voted unanimously with the Liberals and Conservatives to continue the carnage. Only Elizabeth May voted against.

Surprising, though, that you wouldn't remember that, considering the [url=http://rabble.ca/babble/canadian-politics/will-ndp-support-extending-can... lengths you went to[/url] at the time to justify it.

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

Fidel wrote:

Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

Fidel wrote:

Bec.De.Corbin wrote:
Nazemroaya has no idea what carpet bombing really means.

NATO mafia admits to carrying out 20,633 aerial sorties over Libya since March. 

Yes, al-Qa'eda liberated Libya for the oil company jackals "all by themselves".

And you have no idea what sorties means...

Okay I'll bite, What does acus.org really mean where they list 20,633 sorties under the bolded heading, Air Operations?

 

Actually it's over 21,000 sorties now... about 9,000 of them strike sorties.

 

A sortie is anytime one aircraft flies a mission. Not all sorties are strike missions and not all strike missions release ordnance. Example: 12 fighter jets flying combat air patrol (they are looking for other flying enemy aircraft) twice a day is 24 strike sorties even if they don't shoot at any targets.

 

Anyways my point is: the accusation by a (fleeing) journalist (I'm in a boat off shore from Tripoli) of carpet bombing was done either out ignorance, or done with the intention of reporting false information; which by the way, many here gobbled up without question. Someone posted a link to an article demanding certain journalists be held responsible for spreading propaganda (the the author disagreed with), well what about false accusations of war crimes by journalists? And why was this guy fleeing Tripoli in the first place? He wasn't a Kaddafi supporter or fighter.

 

Is this guy guilty of war crimes? Perhaps, but I'm pretty sure ordering the carpet bombing of Tripoli isn't one of them. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. Making frivolous charges doesn't help your cause, it hurts it.

 

 

Fidel

M. Spector wrote:

Fidel wrote:

No, the NDP did not "vote for this illegal war." That is false. The NDP voted for a resolution which the terms of were violated by the NATO mafia within weeks of its declaration.

I will charitably assume that your memory is simply faulty.

The fact is that on June 15, 2011, long after everyone knew that the war on Libya was about NATO and Canada pursuing regime change and not "defending civilians", the NDP caucus voted unanimously with the Liberals and Conservatives to continue the carnage. Only Elizabeth May voted against.

Surprising, though, that you wouldn't remember that, considering the [url=http://rabble.ca/babble/canadian-politics/will-ndp-support-extending-can... lengths you went to[/url] at the time to justify it.

Ya but where were you telling us that Gadaffi was abducting and torturing Libyans with the CIA's help? I certainly did not know that was going on, did you? And where were you and "everyone" informing us that NATO was arm-in-arm with al-Qa'eda and Qa'eda-linked LIFG militants in Libya? I don't recall reading that citizen's letter to Parliament, the opposition party, or babble.

The question we were actually discussing was, who in the halls of power in Ottawa is responsible for launching a military attack on Libya? And the answer is, Steve Harper and his colonial administrativeship with their unblemished record for cow-towing to Warshington since crazy George II headed up that cosmetic governement.

And so if The Criminal Harper Government of Canada really are a bunch of indecisive toadies unwilling to go it alone without the NDP's support as you people seem to want to believe, then the Harpers will surely end Canada's military mission in Libya before the end of the month and not unilaterally change the terms for the mission without returning to Parliament. Nay, the Harpers are willing toadies and will not be pulling out of Libya without Uncle Sam's say-so. And definitely not on the NDP's say-so. And why not on the NDP's say-so? It's because The Steve Harper Government of Canada only takes orders from their bosses in Warshington.

Northern Shoveler Northern Shoveler's picture

The NDP had a chance to bring nuanced foreign relations policies to the table. Look at any convention and its resolutions and you will find lots of good ideas they could have chosen to bring into the public discourse. They chose instead to talk about viagra rapists and other NATO lies.  The reason it bothers me so much is because I expected better from them and they did not deliver. 

NDPP

Don't worry, the NDP will soon no doubt be soothing its discomfited 'left' flank with some carefully nuanced criticism of Operation Unified Protector, pretending not to know the consequences of their voting, and cheerleading the next stage of the imperialist takeover, the necessity to 'help' build a 'democratic' Libyan civil society. They might even vote against an extension - fat lot of good that will do now. Run with hare - hunt with hounds. Same old same old ndp soft-shoe shuffle. Now stay tuned for yet another defence of the indefensible...

'love is better than anger, hope is better than fear'

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/SciTech/20040530/ndp_nato_040529

NDPP

Libya: The Real War Starts Now  -  by Pepe Escobar

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MI07Ak01.html

"NATO's 'humanitarian' operation has unleashed at least 30,000 bombs over Libya over these past few months. It's safe to say that many thousands of Libyans have been killed by the bombing. The bombing never stops; soon NATO may be targeting some of these-civilians or not - it was in theory 'protecting' until a few days ago. The real war starts now..."

NDPP

BAR: NATO's Glorious Race War in Libya  -  by Glen Ford

http://globalciviliansforpeace.com/

"...The Libyan rebels are no more confused about the identity of their victims than South Carolina lynch mobs or German Nazis; they're racist killers, pure and simple.."

DaveW

Northern Shoveler wrote:

The NDP had a chance to bring nuanced foreign relations policies to the table. ...The reason it bothers me so much is because I expected better from them and they did not deliver. 

It will certainly be a top priority of the next NDP leader to deal with your hurt feelings. Perhaps he can lobby the library of Parliament to subscribe to Monthly Review and counterpunch online. That will earn many Canadians' votes, perhaps bringing a majority.

 

Northern Shoveler Northern Shoveler's picture

Rah rah NDP . Who do you want to bomb next?  I vote for Saudi Arabia.  Rah Rah NDP lets protect the Saudi people next with at least 30,000 uranium tipped ordinances.  Those poor civilians being oppressed by the brutal dictatorship deserve nothing less than the good citizens of Libya have been given.  Come on NDP step up and protect the rest of the Middle East, demand that NATO bomb Saudi Arabia.

Unless of course DaveW you don't believe that Saudi Arabia is a brutal dictatorship?  

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The UN Was an Accomplice to NATO Aggression on Libya  - by Evarist Kagaruki

http://thecitizen.co.tz/sunday-citizen/43-sunday-citizen-opinion-editori...

"...in actual fact the no-fly zone was meant to provide air cover for rebel ground forces, which on their own, could not dislodge Gaddafi's forces...There is now no doubt that Gaddafi, who is hated by some and loved by others, has been ousted - not of course by the NTC but by the Western powers with the tacit approval of the UN.."

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Guinea Bissau PM Says Gaddafi Welcome

http://mathaba.net/news/?x=628623?disqus

"Guinea Bissau PM: 'NATO airstrikes in Libya, flagrant violation of the rights of a sovereign country. Behind this is the fact that westerners want Libya's oil.

Lt. Gen Charles Bouchard, NATO's Canadian butcher-boy in Libya. Warcrimes charges now!

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LIBYA SOS!

http://libyasos.blogspot.com/2011/09/please-help-stop-nato-bombing-in-li...

"Please help stop the NATO bombing in Libya: Email Campaign - What You Can Do to Stop NATO's Genocide in Libya..."

 Help Stop NATO's Canadian butcher-boy in Libya, Lt. Gen. Charles 'the Butcher' Bouchard, NATO Commander, Operation 'Unified Protector'. This Canadian RCAF officer has final approval of all targeting.

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