NDP BC invades sovereign Wet'suwet'en territory, RCMP arrest defenders 2

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COINTELPRO-style disruption tactics used by Tyendinaga Police against Real People’s Media and Wet’suwet’en solidarity movement

In recent days, Real People’s Media has become the target of a COINTELPRO-style smear campaign.

While we do not normally publicly comment on attacks from trolls and social media haters, the situation has now escalated to one in which threats of vigilante violence have been made against RPM members and the participants at the Wyman Rd. camp. These threats have been made online and in person. The fingerprints of police involvement in “bad-jacketing” RPM members for violence are all over recent events. 

RPM has uncovered multiple instances of the Tyendinaga Police Service (affiliated with the Ontario Provincial Police) working to undermine and infiltrate the movement in solidarity with the Wet’suwet’en in Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory. This has included covert efforts by Tyendinaga Police Chief Jason Brant to remove the camp by issuing a fake press release that was sent to OPP Commissioner Thomas Carrique in the early hours of February 13th, 2020. The press release claimed that the Mohawks were standing down and leaving the Wyman Rd. location before the arrival of Indigenous Services Minister Marc Miller, and was timed to coincide with an aborted 8am SWAT Team raid to arrest the ‘hard line’ elements who wouldn’t clear the site.

The issuing of the secret police press release was arranged with self-proclaimed “Mohawk Warrior” Shawn Brant. Brant has been notably absent from involvement in the Wet’suwet’en solidarity movement in Tyendinaga except where he has appeared to actively undermine it. 

Brant was present along with CN Rail police and Tyendinaga Police Chief Jason Brant to observe the gathering on Wyman shortly after it began, but he was not present at the camp except on the evening of February 12th. That night, Shawn Brant made every effort to convince the people to leave the front lines – a request that was unsuccessful. When Tyendinaga Police Chief Jason Brant arrived on the morning of February 13th to carry out his and Shawn’s plans, he was promptly escorted out by Mohawk warriors.

On February 25th, the Tyendinaga Police continued to interfere in the movement to support the Wet’suwet’en. Real People’s Media has obtained an audio recording of TPS Officer Marcel Maracle working to sow fear and division amongst the people, all while trying to influence political events by encouraging a contact to “put together a committee” made up of a “Bear, Wolf and Turtle” to make the decision “on behalf” of the people to shut down the camps and leave..... 

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..informative 22 min podcast

How Indigenous people are reclaiming jurisdiction over the land

The Yellowhead Institute has produced what it calls a Red Paper about reclaiming Indigenous jurisdiction and breathing life into rights and responsibilities. Land Back talks about how Canada dispossesses Indigenous peoples from the land and what communities are doing to get it back. We talk with Hayden King, co-author with Shiri Pasternak, of Land Back and executive director of the Yellowhead Institute at Ryerson University.

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..awesome little video..from feb 10th

Indigenous youth occupy Enbridge Centre in downtown Edmonton One of the building’s main tenants is BMO, a key funder of the Coastal GasLink pipeline currently being forced through unceded Wet’suwet’en territory by the RCMP

Link

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How far is #Canada willing to go to protect the billionaires who run the oil and gas industry? #wouldyoushootmetoo is a campaign by @canada_strike to show solidarity with Wet'suwet'en land defenders who are fighting all of us.

kropotkin1951

quizzical wrote:

and yet grand chief Derrickson started out as an "elected" chief.  The same type of Indian Act chief who ndpp and epaulo post so nastily about and say don't have the authority of the People. as you do too kropotkin.

You seem to have missed my  points about governance models. Chief Derrickson writes really well in his book about the limits of the Indian Act and his role as a Chief and creative ways that he used to get around the restrictive nature of the relationship.

The Wet'suet'en are currently meeting as a nation to discuss whether to accept a proposal from the governments in relation to land title and other rights. If the Wet'suet'en people think that the hereditary chiefs are illegitimate it will become very clear after they finish their meetings because the people will use their system to assert the nations voice. Whether or not they accept what is on the table it will be interesting to see the offer. If they get offered a better deal, than the nations that have gone millions of dollars into debt to take part in the BC treaty process have been able to get, the process may very well implode.

After the governance of their nation is decided by the Wet'suet'en then they will determine the position to take on the pipeline, which the spokespeople have said is being treated separately. For me the largest part of this fight is the sovereignty issue. In Canadian law if they can ignore the Wet'suet'en hereditary chiefs then the SCC cases that hold that indigenous groups have rights are meaningless.  I sincerely hope they have forged a new way forward that finds a path that does not lead to extinquishment but to a new mutually respectful nation to nation relationship with the settlers' communities.

 

kropotkin1951

Here is a good article, with a first hand account of the RCMP's armed invasion of a peaceful nation. If people have not seen the footage they came with snipers and attack helicopters to remove four unarmed people from their own territory. They spent more on this operation in a single week than they have spent in years on the Highway of Tears investigation to figure out why so many women go missing from the nearest highway. This is what a police state looks like, for those of you with enough privilege that you can't imagine the RCMP doing this to you. It is part of our shared reality no matter how deep someone wants to bury their head in the tar sands.

“Eve’s talking to them and then we all start talking to them because they start repeating themselves over a megaphone for us to leave or we’d be arrested,” he said. “They were flying these black helicopters over us, these two black choppers, and these choppers kept going into the back and dropping off all of these scouts and snipers.”

“They raided us — remember a few years ago when the navy seals raided Osama Bin Laden’s compound? Thats what they did to us. There was four of us unarmed. The amount of surveillance and money that they used when the way they came in at us was like they were gonna kill us. I really think they were gonna to kill us. If there weren’t the two media people we had there, I swear to god they were going to kill us. The look in their eyes, the vibe in the air, I’m not even lying,” he said.

Now, Hill said that because of what they seen and experienced, he and Saint still have trouble sleeping. After being surrounded, enduring the thought that they might be gun downed, land defenders were treated as though they had weapons.

“They said they heard we had rifles. But they didn’t find nothing because there was nothing to find,” he said.

While pointing her eagle feather at the RCMP while she spoke, Hill warned Saint to hold her feather high so that the RCMP wouldn’t shoot her out of believing that she had a weapon. He further mentioned that the territory is also in the middle of the highway of tears, so the history with the RCMP for the people in the area is already considered unsafe. Even though the RCMP said they wanted to talk, Hill asked “how do you talk to someone when they’re pointing a gun at you?”

https://tworowtimes.com/news/local/shilo-hill-one-of-the-four-arrested-i...

 

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..this is what is happening with the climate strikes. i suspect the same for this pipeline struggle. 

This is what striking looks like in the era of #COVIDー19 Today was our last in-person strike before we move to #ClimateStrikeOnline - join us!!

kropotkin1951

With this pandemic it would seem to be a health hazard to start bringing in hundreds of workers to a camp and the surrounding communities. BC citizens are told to not congregate more than 250 people at a time and that cruise ships should be avoided. The camps replicate the cruise ship breeding grounds and the workers are not under quarantine. COVID might affect hockey and all the bar and restaurant jobs that go with them but I'll but it will not affect the construction that the global oil oligarchy is pushing through..

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..agreed. the lng project may well infect the whole of northern bc. fracking, pipeline and site c. we've seen this before.

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Release order bars woman from voicing support for Wet’suwet’en online

Trish Mills didn’t want to agree to the conditions of the release order — but after about 30 hours in custody she also didn’t want to be remanded and risk being kept behind bars for weeks more.

So she signed the agreement, which severely restricts what she can say and do on social media, despite feeling it was effectively a “state-sanctioned gag order.”

“I’ve juggled a lot of hard feelings around whether abiding by the condition means I’ve lost my integrity,” she says.

Mills was arrested last month in Hamilton, Ontario, for alleged involvement in a railway blockade — one of many that have appeared across the country in support of the Wet’suwet’en hereditary chiefs in the ongoing Coastal GasLink pipeline conflict. She has a court date next week.

One of the conditions of her release stipulates that she cannot use social media to express solidarity with the Wet’suwet’en.

“You shall not post or otherwise engage with the Facebook Group ‘Wet’Suwet’en Strong: Hamilton in Solidarity’ or any other social media platform which engages for the same purpose or objective,” it states.....

NDPP

Similar to attempts made to prohibit or discourage anti-Israel, pro-Palestinian solidarity.

Sean in Ottawa

kropotkin1951 wrote:

With this pandemic it would seem to be a health hazard to start bringing in hundreds of workers to a camp and the surrounding communities. BC citizens are told to not congregate more than 250 people at a time and that cruise ships should be avoided. The camps replicate the cruise ship breeding grounds and the workers are not under quarantine. COVID might affect hockey and all the bar and restaurant jobs that go with them but I'll but it will not affect the construction that the global oil oligarchy is pushing through..

Good point. Also, there is little demand or rush even if one supported these.

NDPP

"Coastal GasLink's plan to manage COVID-19 is to continue construction. Urban offices will be closed. Man camps will stay open. Everything cancelled but CGL..."

https://twitter.com/M_Tol/status/1240132570874077184

kropotkin1951

NDPP wrote:

"Coastal GasLink's plan to manage COVID-19 is to continue construction. Urban offices will be closed. Man camps will stay open. Everything cancelled but CGL..."

https://twitter.com/M_Tol/status/1240132570874077184

 The first workers sent in will be from various First Nations and after they have spent enough time together to spread any possible contagion, they will get weekends off to go visit their families, in communities many of which are without a proper water supply. I think this is a recurring Made in Canada horror show.

NDPP

The infested blanket of Canadian colonialism and genocide is a gift that keeps on giving. Here and elsewhere...

Message To Secwepemc From the Regional Council of Original Nations in Defense of Territory Puebla-Hidalgo - Pahuatlan - Unite The Fight (and vid)

https://twitter.com/KanahusFreedom/status/1240377364925865984

"CUSMA-TIMEC-USCMA: Complicity and Collusion of the US-Canada-Mexico governments state apparatus in violation of the rights of Indigneous Peoples to Free, Prior and Informed Consent. The Canadian government colludes with industry to commit the FRAUD of proposing a policy of criminal conspiracy intended to extract the surrender of Aboriginal Title to crown sovereignty...Today, in light of the standoff at Wet'suwet'en, the fraud is fraught with fear - fear of the truth.

How Can The Canadian Parliament Approve The Canada-US-Mexico Agreement (CUSMA-USMCA-TIMEC) when these policies of overt corporate colonization are being normalized under the terms of this international 'trade' agreement?"

Because the collaborationist liberal 'progressive' movement were persuaded to support and not oppose it, which they now do easily, having sold out, surrendered or simply failed to launch, so many many times before. Hell the NDP bent over backwards to get it passed as speedily as possible. 'Complicity and Collusion' is what they do best. Just ask Hill & Knowlton.  'CUSMA? What's that?'

 

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Coronavirus forces Wet’suwet’en to explore online talks on rights and title agreement

An all-clans meeting to discuss Wet’suwet’en rights and title could be moved online as the COVID-19 crisis upends plans for in-person talks, according to a spokesperson for the Gidimt’en.

“We’re looking at possibly doing something online,” Jennifer Wickham told The Narwhal, saying discussions were also delayed by a death, unrelated to the novel coronavirus, in one of the communities. “I’m not sure what that’s going to look like but there’s definitely multiple things delaying the process.”

Wickham said an all-clans meeting has already been held, but a few clans wanted to meet again before moving forward with decision-making on a draft agreement reached last month between Wet’suwet’en hereditary leaders, the province and the federal government to expedite the nation’s rights and title process.

“I have no idea when we’re going to reschedule those meetings. Hopefully sometime this week, it could be next week, but it would probably not even be,” she told The Narwhal over the phone.

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Wet’suwet’en supporters launched an online campaign this week to raise awareness around the ongoing construction of the pipeline on Wet’suwet’en territory amid the pandemic.

tweet from Gidmit’en Checkpoint on Tuesday expressed concern over COVID-19 and industrial activity associated with Coastal GasLink, saying “we do not need any more stress on our local health systems and people.”

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Nunavut community blocks access to gold mine over COVID-19 fears

People in the Nunavut community of Rankin Inlet blocked the road leading to the local goldmine Wednesday in an effort to keep their region COVID-19 free.

The Agnico-Eagle Meliadine gold mine is located about 25 kms north of Rankin Inlet, the most populous community in Nunavut’s Kivalliq region and a central hub for the surrounding communities. It employs nearly 400 Inuit from many Nunavut communities.

Late on March 18, residents blocked the road to the mine after a planeload of workers from outside the territory arrived at the airport and were ready to head to the mine site.

Earlier this week, Nunavut’s Chief Public Health officer Dr. Michael Patterson asked non-essential people from outside the territory not to travel to Nunavut. Anyone who does travel to the territory from
outside areas is being asked to self-isolate for 14 days.

Agnico-Eagle has now followed what other Nunavut mines are doing; sending all their Nunavut-based staff back to their home communities with pay.....

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$40B LNG project cuts hundreds of workers to prevent COVID-19 spread in B.C. work camps

The biggest private investment infrastructure project in Canadian history is slashing staff as it tries to prevent COVID-19 infections from getting a foothold in workers' camps in northwestern B.C. 

LNG Canada says it's sending home half of its work force from the company's $40-billion export facility project in Kitimat, B.C.

The company's move to lay off about 750 people and fly them home across the country is being done out of an "abundance of caution," said Susannah Pierce, the company's director of corporate affairs.

It's just one of several mega-projects in the province trying to manage the safety of up to more than a thousand industrial workers living in close quarters far from home. 

Pierce added there could be further work force reductions, reducing staff to "critical levels" with only essential workers staying on to conduct site security and do environmental monitoring.....

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Gidimt’en Checkpoint

$15 billion for oil and gas $350m for First Nations Access to loans for small business Priorities are obvious as usual.

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..the webinar from last week

We are Unfrackable - Episode 1

With Hereditary Chief Adam Gagnon and Mike Sawyer, COGC

travissmith

Will the COVID crisis help the protestors?

kropotkin1951

travissmith wrote:

Will the COVID crisis help the protestors?

The Wet'suet'in are not protestors. Coast Gas is continuing to build the pipeline without consent while everyone else is limited to only essential travel.

Paladin1

epaulo13 wrote:

Gidimt’en Checkpoint

$15 billion for oil and gas $350m for First Nations Access to loans for small business Priorities are obvious as usual.

 

First Nations should be the ones getting $15 billion for small loans and $350 million for gas and oil?

eastnoireast

Paladin1 wrote:

epaulo13 wrote:

Gidimt’en Checkpoint

$15 billion for oil and gas $350m for First Nations Access to loans for small business Priorities are obvious as usual.

 

First Nations should be the ones getting $15 billion for small loans and $350 million for gas and oil?

no, the $15 billion should be grants.

Paladin1

To what end? Start up small businesses when Canadians are being told to stay home and are fined for violating social distancing rules. When many businesses are considered non-essential so they're closed. When Canadians won't be splurging on non-essential items because a million+ Canadians are out of work right now?

I know everyone has a hate on for oil and gas but machines don't run without it. No gas for emergency vehicles, no gas for backup generators, no oil to keep machinery running.

Might as well argue FN should get $350 billion in grants.

travissmith

kropotkin1951 wrote:

travissmith wrote:

Will the COVID crisis help the protestors?

The Wet'suet'in are not protestors. Coast Gas is continuing to build the pipeline without consent while everyone else is limited to only essential travel.


That's what I meant, so the protestors have been shut down while the pipeline continues.
Disgusting but not unexpected.

eastnoireast

Paladin1 wrote:

To what end? Start up small businesses when Canadians are being told to stay home and are fined for violating social distancing rules. When many businesses are considered non-essential so they're closed. When Canadians won't be splurging on non-essential items because a million+ Canadians are out of work right now?

I know everyone has a hate on for oil and gas but machines don't run without it. No gas for emergency vehicles, no gas for backup generators, no oil to keep machinery running.

Might as well argue FN should get $350 billion in grants.

 

again, no. 

the $350 billion would be more like a first reparation payment... 

$15 billion to first nations now would simply be good business strategy.

invest in -

a) a sunset dinosaur industry (literally) with excess production capacity who's product is destroying the planet and killing people, or

b), strengthening canadian indigenous families and communities across this great land.  impoverished communities with younger and expanding demographics; our nation's very future.

what's that?  jobs?  exactly.  always a much better investment to job ratio with direct community investment, as apposed to trickling it down via mega corps.

maintain enough oil production for domestic consumption, transition oil workers to cleanup and be done with it. 

 

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Paladin1

eastnoireast wrote:

again, no.

the $350 billion would be more like a first reparation payment...

What we really should do is give FN people $1,000,000,000,000.

1 million for every FN person. And a million every year there after for the rest of their life.

No wait, also 1 million for every year beforehand , paid retroactively.  30 years old? Here's 30 million.

Tax free.

kropotkin1951

Paladin1 wrote:

eastnoireast wrote:

again, no.

the $350 billion would be more like a first reparation payment...

What we really should do is give FN people $1,000,000,000,000.

1 million for every FN person. And a million every year there after for the rest of their life.

No wait, also 1 million for every year beforehand , paid retroactively.  30 years old? Here's 30 million.

Tax free.

You clearly have no understanding about the nature of indigenous peoples' sui generis rights. They are communal and tied to the land. The Wet'suet'tin want their fucking land to be left alone what don't you get about that? They do not want to be paid out by a foreign conglomerate so that all future generations are deprived of their birthright.

Paladin1

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Paladin1 wrote:

eastnoireast wrote:

again, no.

the $350 billion would be more like a first reparation payment...

What we really should do is give FN people $1,000,000,000,000.

1 million for every FN person. And a million every year there after for the rest of their life.

No wait, also 1 million for every year beforehand , paid retroactively.  30 years old? Here's 30 million.

Tax free.

You clearly have no understanding about the nature of indigenous peoples' sui generis rights. They are communal and tied to the land. The Wet'suet'tin want their fucking land to be left alone what don't you get about that? They do not want to be paid out by a foreign conglomerate so that all future generations are deprived of their birthright.

 

Exactly. Stop with the millions of guilt money, give them land and wish them luck.

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Stop with the millions of guilt money, give them land and wish them luck.

..this is a certain political talking point from a certain perspective, a ruse..not a real political position. meant to be used for debate only. meant to deflect from reality. the real point is to talk about cutting off funding. eliminating state responsibilities.

..this is not going to happen in the real world. nor should it because that political point of view isn't serious. for starters no one can give them land because indigenous nation already hold title. so from the get go it doesn't respect title. it's a ruse. 

..2nd it includes vancouver, toronto and other major centres. who's going to concede that land and wish them well? no one so again a ruse. 

..there is a way forward where we can live together..indigenous folk have been proposing it for a very very long time. many settler folk understand this. and in poll after poll canadians want the powers that be to reach an respectful arrangement on a nation to nation bases. and not through force and genocide.      

Sean in Ottawa

No way would we be willing or able to give them enough land to cover what we owe. Apart from how this makes no sense from an economic or humanitarian point of view, they need and deserve no less support than any other Canadians Just becuase we live on land stolen from their ancestors and have abused them horribly in living memory does not mean we should run out on what we owe.

This is not guilt debt. This is actual debt.

eastnoireast

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

No way would we be willing or able to give them enough land to cover what we owe. Apart from how this makes no sense from an economic or humanitarian point of view, they need and deserve no less support than any other Canadians Just becuase we live on land stolen from their ancestors and have abused them horribly in living memory does not mean we should run out on what we owe.

This is not guilt debt. This is actual debt.

back rent, as it were.  $700 million a year for half a freakin' continent?  cheeeeep.

travissmith

Give them land, wish them luck, sanction, watch them fail, rinse repeat.
That's the usual formula, worked well in Haiti among other places.

Although Political RESPECT can't be given only won.

Paladin1

epaulo13 wrote:

..this is not going to happen in the real world. nor should it because that political point of view isn't serious. for starters no one can give them land because indigenous nation already hold title. so from the get go it doesn't respect title. it's a ruse. 

..2nd it includes vancouver, toronto and other major centres. who's going to concede that land and wish them well? no one so again a ruse. 

Who indeed? Toronto (GTA), Vancouver (GVA), Ottawas NCR, Edmonton and Calgary.  Easily 10-12 of our 37 million citizens living there. Giving land to anyone simply isn't an option. So that leaves the option of money. Do we pay designated chiefs money and trust them to merrit it out how they see fit? Or a system like I mentioned similar to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia?  Free money for FN members.

 

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..there is a way forward where we can live together..indigenous folk have been proposing it for a very very long time. many settler folk understand this. and in poll after poll canadians want the powers that be to reach an respectful arrangement on a nation to nation bases. and not through force and genocide.

Canadians who live in rental property owned by someone else shouldn't have to pay rent if they feel they can't but Canadians living on land belonging to someone else hundreds of years ago should pay rent to their descendants.

 

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..it's not about what you think paladin. your not listening to indigenous people. they are perfectly capable of articulating their own desires. in fact the do..over and over again. and it falls on deaf ears when it comes to the state and corporations...greed. 

..in this thread what is being said relects what is being said by indigenous folk..no pipeline. this is being said by the title holders. and how the powers that be responded to that..violence. 

..money can't fix that. 

Paladin1

epaulo13 wrote:

..in this thread what is being said relects what is being said by indigenous folk..no pipeline.

I'm afraid you're just wrong here. There's a ton of indigenous folk that support and want the pipeline. "We're" not listening to them. We're only listening to the ones that are (tentatively) saying no to the pipeline because that suits our narrative.

20+ bands supported, approved of and wanted the pipeline because of the jobs, security and oppertunity it would create for them.

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..when the governments were forced to talk to the wetʼsuwetʼen they talked to the rightful leaders. the  title holders to the land that the pipeline would pass through..the hereditary chiefs. 

..this is yet another instance where you don't listen but want to inject your point of view..your politics.

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Paladin1

epaulo13 wrote:

..when the governments were forced to talk to the wetʼsuwetʼen they talked to the rightful leaders. the  title holders to the land that the pipeline would pass through..the hereditary chiefs.

A handful of chiefs own all that land. Lucky them.

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..leaders not landowners. more democratic than anything you've experienced in the settler world. 

Paladin1

Titles being handed down are the opposite of democracy.

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Hereditary chiefs

Hereditary chiefs are a title passed down through families. They hold a position of influence in a community where the title has been handed down between generations.

Who it's passed down to can vary between nations, depending on their history. Some follow a patriarchal system while others follow a matriarchal one.

Adding a layer to that, some hereditary leaders run for an elected office meaning they represent both sides.

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..i will not go down this path. you don't know what your talking about. 

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..independent jewish voices held a webinar re: the wetʼsuwetʼen camps. it began at 1 pm montreal time and ended a short while ago. i took some notes. these notes reflect only a small amount of the info provided. should a recording be provided i will it post here.

..i'd like to also add that the webinar was joined by a palestinian youth group. Link

..my raw notes:

  • new man camp being built
  • security escorts for workers / security is an arm of rcmp
  • rcmp no social distancing / coming from all over / liaisons lying to chiefs / rcmp liaisons no show to agreeed upon meeting / disrespectful / lying is attempting to create divisions betwen chiefs and defenders
  • angry drive-bys / demands / threats / drinking
  • no one in or out of defender camps pandemic
  • expanding camp @ 44 km / perma culture gardens with the objective of self sustaining
  • pipeline investors have been losing profits / not a good time to invest / markets disappearing
  • title discussions no impact on current projects
  • clan member 1st vs being a band councillors / long standing division created by gov
  • lots of energy from camps is goes to obtaining food sources 
Pondering

Paladin1 wrote:

epaulo13 wrote:

..in this thread what is being said relects what is being said by indigenous folk..no pipeline.

I'm afraid you're just wrong here. There's a ton of indigenous folk that support and want the pipeline. "We're" not listening to them. We're only listening to the ones that are (tentatively) saying no to the pipeline because that suits our narrative.

20+ bands supported, approved of and wanted the pipeline because of the jobs, security and oppertunity it would create for them.

Which is fine. The oil companies have the right to build across those lands. Nobody is stopping them. They do not have the right to cross lands belonging to the indigenous nations that have not consented.

But the statement below isn't accurate.

kropotkin1951 wrote:

You clearly have no understanding about the nature of indigenous peoples' sui generis rights. They are communal and tied to the land. The Wet'suet'tin want their fucking land to be left alone what don't you get about that? They do not want to be paid out by a foreign conglomerate so that all future generations are deprived of their birthright.

The Wet'suet'tin have offered an alternative path that still crosses their land. The company is refusing that route because it would cost more and delay the project another year.

This is why I am against hailing indigenous peoples as saviors of the environment we must all be grateful to for saving us. The noble savage trope is as racist as any other image projected onto people. Protecting the environment is the responsiblity of all people everywhere.

Stopping the pipeline is not about supporting indigenous peoples because we are only supporting them because we seem them as being on "our side".  They are not, or rather only some of them are.

We try to portray indigenous people who agree to the pipeline as corrupt and not acting with the support of their communities but there is no evidence of that. This is the root of my objection to the Leap Manifesto's focus on indigenous peoples.

This leap must begin by respecting the inherent rights and title of the original caretakers of this land. Indigenous communities have been at the forefront of protecting rivers, coasts, forests and lands from out-of-control industrial activity. We can bolster this role, and reset our relationship, by fully implementing the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples.

That includes the right of indigenous peoples to exploit their land any way they see fit including making deals with fossil fuel companies.

Paladin is correct that we are fighting against the indigenous people who want the pipeline. Worse we are delegitimizing them as indigenous people as we treat them as if they are sell-outs betraying their people rather than representing a part of their population that supports development.

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..when a company wants to set up shop in canada there is a process. they reach out to the leadership. they don't go to paladin or pondering and ask what they want and then proceed if the answer is yes.

..there is also a process when it comes to wetʼsuwetʼen territory. title holders are the authority. the title holders say no pipeline. an offer for a different route was rejected. so it's back to no. this no has been supported by feasts or pot-latches..which are equalling to the voice of the people..since 2011.  

..that central issue has and is still being ignored. it doesn't matter what arguments you present in this thread if you ignore this. different viewpoints within the nation is an internal matter that gets exploited on a regular basis by govs, corps and others. 

NDPP

Ugh...

https://twitter.com/ArticulateDinos/status/1256678871291887616

"Canada turns 'consent' into something it requires of the Wetsuweten before it will implement its due rights..."

Sovereignty kkkanaduh-style.

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Join us for a coalition #ShutDownKKR virtual rally and communications blockade on May 7th. RSVP here for Thursday: Link 

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epaulo13 wrote:

On May 7th, people around the world are gathering virtually to rise up in solidarity for those fighting on the frontlines of the COVID and climate crises.

Join us for a coalition #ShutDownKKR virtual rally and communications blockade on May 7th. RSVP here for Thursday: Link 

..ended just a short while ago. 1100 joined the virtual rally. so many people from all over canada and the us with some from abroad. many indigenous folk from many nations. 

..raw notes:

- petition went out 288,000 + 

- kkr buying cgl

- no moose because of workers / area was not hunted to try and increase the moose population

- right now make work projects. show for investors

- coming in summer drilling under river at one point. spawning area. barred from working during spawning time.

- 8-100 agreement violations

- launched judicial review waiting for court date

- cgl court case coming for destroying camp

- mmiwg / man camps study violence up 70% indigenous women / police lack of action re: mmiwg and same time attacking camps / matriarchs running - organising camps

..links provided

Pipelines, man camps and murdered Indigenous women in Canada

A Concise Chronology of Canada’s Colonial Cops​

Unist’ot’en Youth Mural Camp is coming up fast. Register now!​

..meeting closed with a joint action

- You can send a message directly to their executives here: they are planning on buying 65% the Coastal GasLink pipeline with AIMCO

Tell KKR: Don't invest in the Coastal GasLink pipeline and respect Indigenous rights now! 

Paladin1

Pondering wrote:

Paladin is correct that we are fighting against the indigenous people who want the pipeline. Worse we are delegitimizing them as indigenous people as we treat them as if they are sell-outs betraying their people rather than representing a part of their population that supports development.

Thanks Pondering.

I really don't have a dog in the fight as the saying goes. I think it's incredibly hypocritical how quickly FN opinions and views get disgarded as unimportant and meaningless by settlers when the FN's opinions don't jive with the settlers.

What they want the pipeline? Well tough shit, they're not hereditary chiefs and those are the only views that count- because the supreme court says so.

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