Obama to Announce the Death of Osama Bin Laden

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NDPP

and especially given the well known propensity of US officialdom, especially US presidents, to relentless, automatic lies and mendacity.

Killing Resolves Nothing  -  by David Swanson

http://canada.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/85670

"As we put bin Laden behind us, can we put the degradation of our civil liberties and our representative government, and our honesty, accountability and the rule of law behind us? Can we recover the basic moral decency that we used to at the very least pretend and aspire to?

Imagine the propaganda that the US could make of video footage of a foreign country where the primitive brutes are dancing in the streets to celebrate the murder of a tribal enemy. [and his children or grandchildren too]

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind but the blind people think that they still see. The world looks to them like a Hollywood adventure movie. In these stories, killing someone generally causes a happy ending. That misconception is responsible for piles and piles of corpses to which more will now be added."

Hoodeet

Buried at sea...  Yes, George (Victor). How convenient!

 
Well, isn't that going to satisfy 90% of the world, who are forever convinced that technology and western schemers can alter reality at will.
DNA evidence... which could have been gathered at any time ... and which independent scientist will be allowed to confirm this, EVEN IF the original sample can be confirmed as being from OBL?
 
Is he really dead ( if he was living next to a major state security building in Pakistan, why not, as someone suggested, living in witness protection on an island resort
somewhere?
Or did he die ages ago and then was kept on ice somewhere until it was time for a strategy shift in international policy?
 
So OBL may well join the moon landing in the popular imagination.
Democracy Now! has a fairly good round table on this today. 
And (perhaps in my desire to have Canada acknowledged somehow - forgive the perverse sentiment) could the timing have been a last-ditch effort to give Harper a boost?   Naaahhh.  Surely we don't matter that much
 

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

Hiding in plain sight...

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The al-Qaida chief was living in a house in Abbottabad that a U.S. administration official said was "custom built to hide someone of significance." The city around 60 miles from the capital Islamabad is a far cry from the remote mountain caves along the Pakistan-Afghanistan tribal border where most intelligence assessments had put bin Laden in recent years.

Critics have long accused elements of Pakistan's security establishment of protecting bin Laden, though Islamabad has always denied this. Ties between the United States and Pakistan have hit a low point in recent months over the future of Afghanistan, and any hint of possible Pakistani collusion with bin Laden could hit them hard even amid the jubilation of getting American's No. 1 enemy.

That bin Laden could be in Abbottabad unknown to authorities "is a bit amazing" says Hamid Gul, a former Pakistani intelligence chief fiercely critical of America's presence in the region. Aside from the military "there is the local police, the Intelligence Bureau, Military Intelligence, the ISI, they all had a presence there."

Residents said the compound was around one kilometer (half a mile) away from the Kakul Military Academy, an army run institution for top officers and one of several military installations in the bustling, hill-ringed town of around 400,000 people.

Bin Laden killed in fiery raid in Pakistan

NDPP

Word of bin Laden's Death Boosts Investor Confidence

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/World/20110502/world-markets-react-to-osama-de...

the final arbiters of such things roar their approval

nope

I wish i could concentrate the lunatic left found in this thread and email it to every NDP voter in the country, knowing the attitudes they are actually supporting with an NDP vote im sure Jack would be back into third in no time.

 

'I've never wished a man dead, but I have read some obituaries with great pleasure.' - Twain

NDPP

Where Was Osama On Sept 11, 2001?  -  by Michel Chossudovsky

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=3194

"...The administration is lying. Osama bin Laden's whereabouts was known."

knownothing knownothing's picture

Our society is truly sick when we are celebrating the death of a living being, period. Especially one who was trained by the West and turned against us. It is obvious it will be a political boost to Obama who is getting way too much credit on this thread. The Democrats are just as much of a problem as the Liberals up here; they pretend to have leftist ideals but that is just their role in the two-party illusion.

Didn't anyone else feel creepy and scared watching the Americans celebrating outside the White House?

outwest

"Didn't anyone else feel creepy and scared watching the Americans celebrating outside the White House?"

Wag the Dog scenarios always do that to me.

NDPP

knownothing wrote:

Didn't anyone else feel creepy and scared watching the Americans celebrating outside the White House?

NDPP

They were also dancing and flag-waving outside the US Consulate right here in Toronto. And given the recent murders of  members of the Ghadafi family under the command of a Canadian General, with the support of all our political parties, we can now participate in this thrilling bloodlust a little less vicariously perhaps.

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

Bin Laden was found at luxury Pakistan compound

 

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The home is in Abbottabad, a town about 35 miles north of Islamabad, that is relatively affluent and home to many retired members of Pakistan's military.

 

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"It is also noteworthy that the property is valued at approximately $1 million but has no telephone or Internet service connected to it," an administration official said. "The brothers had no explainable source of wealth."

Caissa

I'm wondering what new conspiracy theories this news will spawn.

Frmrsldr

This telegraph just in:

OSAMA BIN LADEN DEAD. STOP.

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED. STOP.

VICTORY IN AFGHANISTAN. STOP.

AMERICAN AND CANADIAN TROOPS WILL BE WITHDRAWN BY DECEMBER 2011. STOP.

STOP THE WAR IN AFGHANISTAN. STOP.

ALL QUIET ON THE WESTERN FRONT 10:59 HOURS NOVEMBER 11 1918. STOP.

 

West Coast Greeny

It's bad form to celebrate anyone's death, but I'm not going to get overly critical when it's of a man who's responsible for killing thousands. The celebratory crowds are small (a couple thousand in all of Washington). I was in a bar in Boulder last night when this all went down, and it was mostly all of us staring at the TV in near disbelief.

Will this change anything? Maybe? Al-Qaeda is a hugely decentralized organization, almost a brand, so its hard to tell how much of an asset, outside of morally, Bin Laden was. In practical terms, it might give Obama an out for leaving Afghanistan ... eventually ... while claiming some kind of victory.

Snert Snert's picture

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I'm wondering what new conspiracy theories this news will spawn.

Probably one where the people who used to believe he was dead, and that his communiques were fabricated by the CIA, will now insist he's not dead, and that his death was faked by the CIA.  That's my guess.

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

Now that the world's no.1 terror threat is no more, what are the chances of getting my stash of nail clippers and scissors back from the various airports where they were confiscated?

NDPP

Karzai: Death Shows Afghanistan Wrong Target

http://www.cbc.ca/m/touch/news/story/2011/05/02/afghanistan-osama-bin-la...

US Forces Unsure Bin Laden In Compound Until Face to Face

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-05-02/u-s-forces-unsure-bin-laden-...

"Bin Laden's body was later buried at sea, another official said..."

 

 

Catchfire Catchfire's picture

This death of one confused billionaire will change nothing, except, as oldgoat says, incite more violence. Ten years, two wars, millions dead or displaced, trillions spent, torture, illegal detention, the flouting of civil liberties and international law. This is no reason to celebrate.

ETA: nope, you're through. You will no longer hold this message board in contempt. Au revoir.

NDPP

Taliban Commander Vows To Avenge Bin Laden's Death

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/02/taliban-avenge-bin-laden-death

"we will continue our fight until we liberate our lands from the Kafirs'

RT: Bin Laden Case Lacks Transparency - Political Analyst (and vid)

http://rt.com/news/bin-laden-transparency-us/

"the element of transparency is completely non-existent. People here are skeptical.."

 

Slumberjack

Did somebody just get whacked here?

Catchfire Catchfire's picture

Meet Sohaib Athar, the man who tweeted the attack on Osama bin Laden—without knowing it 

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  • RT : Osama Bin Laden killed in Abbottabad, Pakistan.: ISI has confirmed it << Uh oh, there goes the neighborhood :-/

NDPP

Layton Hopes Bin Laden's Death A Turning Point

http://www.torontosun.com/2011/05/02/layton-hopes-bin-ladens-death-a-tur...

"NDP Leader Jack Layton thanked the men and women in uniform shortly after US President Obama announced that Osama Bin Laden was killed in a US raid.

'The New Democratic Party of Canada shares with the world community the hope that the news of the death of Osama Bin Laden marks a turning point in the war on terrorism,' Layton said in a statement issued early Monday morning after news broke that the man responsible for the Sept 11 terrorist attacks was dead.

'The memories of the September 11 attacks on the World Trade Center where Canadians were counted among the murdered, still linger to this day. Those terrible events will be ingrained on our collective memory forever,' he said. Layton touted 'Canada's role in the international community as a leading contributor to the world's peace, security and prosperity.'

'I offer our deep appreciation to the women and men in uniform who work hard and sacrifice to make the world a safer place,' he said.'"

 

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

NDPP wrote:

Taliban Commander Vows To Avenge Bin Laden's Death

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/02/taliban-avenge-bin-laden-death

"we will continue our fight until we liberate our lands from the Kafirs'

Maybe they'll send another 12 year old suicide bomber...

Slumberjack

NDPP wrote:
"NDP Leader Jack Layton thanked the men and women in uniform shortly after US President Obama announced that Osama Bin Laden was killed in a US raid.  I offer our deep appreciation to the women and men in uniform who work hard and sacrifice to make the world a safer place,' he said." 

Sniff.  As a uniformed man, it kinda gets me in the you know where, you know.

Slumberjack

Perhaps a trade off is in order.  They'd stop sending 12 year old's around, while the US and its lackey nations would stop targeting twelve year olds.

NDPP

Slumberjack wrote:

NDPP wrote:
"NDP Leader Jack Layton thanked the men and women in uniform shortly after US President Obama announced that Osama Bin Laden was killed in a US raid.  I offer our deep appreciation to the women and men in uniform who work hard and sacrifice to make the world a safer place,' he said." 

Sniff.  As a uniformed man, it kinda gets me in the you know where, you know.

NDPP

yeah me too...

RosaL

Merowe wrote:

I've not a shred of pity for Osama Bin Laden. Still, the news of his murder and the violation of his corpse is sickening, really disgusting. Even the worthless fat fuck Harper saw fit to qualify his celebration with 'sober' - even that moral retard understands there is something deeply wrong with the way this has all gone down.

I'm not taking issue with the substance of your post but "retard" is a term that really hurts some people. I'm sure if you think about it a bit you'll understand why.

al-Qa'bong

Dodger718 wrote:

Osama bin Laden tried to kill many of my friends and family. I'll raise a glass to his death.

 

OK, OK, we get it.  Maybe in that drunken haze of yours you'll knock back a ham sandwich too?

Merowe

RosaL wrote:

Merowe wrote:

I've not a shred of pity for Osama Bin Laden. Still, the news of his murder and the violation of his corpse is sickening, really disgusting. Even the worthless fat fuck Harper saw fit to qualify his celebration with 'sober' - even that moral retard understands there is something deeply wrong with the way this has all gone down.

I'm not taking issue with the substance of your post but "retard" is a term that really hurts some people. I'm sure if you think about it a bit you'll understand why.

gosh, Rosa I take your point. Not sure how that one slipped by the self-censor: confused myself with the qualifier 'moral' perhaps.

Merowe

I've not a shred of pity for Osama Bin Laden. Still, the news of his murder and the violation of his corpse is sickening, really disgusting. Even the worthless fat fuck Harper saw fit to qualify his celebration with 'sober' - even that moral midget understands there is something deeply wrong with the way this has all gone down.

 

 

RosaL

Merowe wrote:

gosh, Rosa I take your point. Not sure how that one slipped by the self-censor: confused myself with the qualifier 'moral' perhaps.

Thanks! 

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

I wonder if the Americans will follow through on their promise from years ago that they'd wrap the corpse in bacon.

I'm pretty certain that the body has been desecrated in some sort of fashion.

All the talking heads have been saying that the U.S. will have to release photos of the body to prove his death.

But I heard he was shot in the head,so it's not likely he'd be recognized.

And I still find the timing of this to be a little suspect....But I'm going to steer clear of any conspiracies for the moment.

Anyway,in keeping score with 'key' figures who have been murdered since 2002 or 2003....We have Sadam Hussein,his sons and now (allegedly) Osama Bin Laden.

When do Cheney,Bush and Rumsfeld find themselves at the Gallow's?

When do their allies (including those in Ottawa) face a world tribunal?

Sadly,I know the answer...Never.

Buddy Kat

So lets get this straight ..the US military machine gets the biggest prize EVER ..then throws it into the ocean...Pardon the pun ,but this sounds fishy!

I believe they captured bin laden, swabbed his cheek for DNA confirmation and probably have him held in a torture hole trying to extract info on suitcase nukes etc etc.

That or perhaps they did kill him and riddled him with so many bullet holes (1000's) that they don't dare show the barbaric nature of the trigger happy American..as people would say ..what kind of animal does that to another ..then they will figure out how and why they are hated so much and why their terror has just begun...

This... as the Afghan wonders why Americans have destroyed their lives and homes and basically murdered thousand's of their children now and into the future ....when all along binladen was in Pakistan...and they knew it.

Either way the only positive thing out of all this ..are all those old scared paranoid people that vote for Harper cause they are petrified of "The Boogey Man" will now pick their second choice ..
Bye Bye Harper..

Edited to say :  I guess the other positve message is .."if you want the job done right you get a lefty to do it!"  hmmm new slogan?

 

Krush The Kon

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0eQgUpkJ1Q

 

Cut and Run

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ns8LD5Q8ecc

 

 

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

alan smithee wrote:

But I heard he was shot in the head,so it's not likely he'd be recognized.

  

That's not true; it depends on what he was shot in the head with... and how close. People who've seen the real photos (yet to be released) said there's no doubt its Bin Laden. From what I understand all the photos floating around the internet right now are fakes.

Also...

Islamic scholars criticize bin Laden's sea burial

 

polly bee

Buddy Kat wrote:

I believe they captured bin laden, swabbed his cheek for DNA confirmation and probably have him held in a torture hole trying to extract info on suitcase nukes etc etc.

 

I like to think he died of natural causes, perphaps some time ago.  They had to ditch his body in the ocean so no-one figures out they didn't do it.

Fidel

I think this bit about DNA testing could be nonsense, too. The USA is world renowned for its criminal investigations. They've made it a science. But, oddly enough, they missed a chance to positively ID 9/11 hijackers at the Pentagon "crash" scene. There were body parts strewn everywhere around the rubble. Conspicuously absent were various jet engine parts and major sections of the plane said to have been vaporized by intense heat of the flames and explosion. And yet there were body parts which were preserved. And there was office furniture and other artifacts, highly combustible office furniture etc which survived incinerating temperatures.    

Like so much evidence from the JFK assassination locked away from the public until 2029, I highly doubt that the American people will be entrusted with evidence concerning Osama bin Laden, his life or death or much of anything else concerning the truth about 9/11 anytime soon. The USA's are the most secretive governments in world history. Secrecy in government and democracy are two different themes incompatible with the other as a general rule of thumb.

Northern Shoveler Northern Shoveler's picture

All I can say is it is very serendipitous that after all these years he turns up under their noses and the news renders all talk of the assassination of Gaddafi's grandchildren irrelevant to the global news media.  

I think the death penalty is barbaric and that death penalties carried our by hit squads is not justice but vengeance.  Vengeance is not something to be celebrated IMO

M. Spector M. Spector's picture

This story serves as a vindication for Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib, and all the dozens of CIA torture camps spread throughout the world.

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Torture and interrogation tactics inside CIA prisons in Romania and Poland extracted the courier’s name from [Khaled Sheikh] Mohammed and his successor, Abu Faraj Al Libi, the Associated Press reported.

Fidel

There were glorious opportunities for the Gladio gang to have murdered OBL before, ten years ago apparently. The US and French militaries could have killed OBL according to various sources. I really don't believe that al-Qaeda exists. Qaeda is an intelligence operation that began toward the end of the cold war era in Afghanistan and Pakistan and was just never officially ended. Whistleblowers in America say that US taxpayers are still funding the madrassa system in Central Asia. And they are still funding terrorism. The corruption runs deep with US State Dept officials accused of selling nuclear weapons secrets to rogue states. This is what happens to an empire in decline. It's everyone for themselves nowadays.

Kara

One can hardly be surprised that they would use this action for propaganda purposes, playing it as if this action justifies their mistreatment, torture, murder, etc. of countless people.

Also not surprising is that shortly after the death of one bogey man, they have another bogey man lined up to justify the continuation of their warmongering.  Nothing will change and the murder, torture and destruction will continue as before.

The celebrations are quite sickening.  I am most definitely not sad about OBL's demise but the gleeful jubilation is over the top - add a few cheerleaders and you might think you're watching the supporters of a Super Bowl winning team celebrating a big victory.

The death penalty is wrong in all cases with no exceptions, but even more so without a fair trial.  Most definitely a trial would have been problematic but an assassination is not justice.  However, stopping OBL from sharing information was more important to them than justice anyway.

As much as I despise Harper, "sober satisfaction" is right (even if I don't believe for a minute that he or any of the other members of the teeny weenie crowd didn't get a thrill from the news).

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

It's interesting that if they were that close to bin Laden that they couldn't have taken him alive.

I think that would have been far more effective.

But this stinks.

Not only did they kill him but they immediately buried him at sea.

This is very suspicious.

So where does the focus now fall on to?..Who is the new bogeyman?

I don't doubt for a moment that this 'celebration' will be temporary.

I'm not Nostradamus but I see some very bad things in the oncoming horizon.

Dodger718

Boo hoo. My father in law was a rabbi in New York City in 2001 and presided over many burials of random body parts or miniscule scraps of DNA of people burned alive by Osama bin Laden.

Le T Le T's picture

That's great, Dodger. My brother-in-law got fucked up in Afghanistan when he had to kill people and order other people to kill people and pack his co-worker in a coffin on a plane.

Maybe one day sick fucks like you, who are totally insulated from the horrors of military violence, will understand that your vengeful attitude causes terrible suffering the likes of which you have never experienced.

It's not a fucking hockey game.

Unionist

Le T and others, please do not take Dodger seriously, even though I share all your feelings about his posts. He is a provocateur, pure and simple, and your reactions give him pleasure. Deny him pleasure. I suggest we either ignore him, or mercilessly ridicule him - preferably with witty lines. Anyway, just my 2 cents.

 

Fidel

Michael C. Ruppert wrote:
"Given the degree of documented intelligence penetration of al Qaeda; the fact that Osama bin Laden had been a CIA asset during the first Afghan conflict against the Soviets; the fact that a number of the so-called hijackers and/or al Qaeda members had been trained in CIA training camps in Chechnya; had fought in CIA/US-sponsored guerrilla conflicts (e.g. in Kosovo with the KLA in 2000), or had received military training at US installations; given all that, it is reasonable to assume that one or more top al Qaeda officials were in fact double or triple agents..."

"Based upon what is known about successful intelligence penetrations for years prior to the attacks of 9/11, Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda could not have sneezed without the CIA or the NSA knowing about it."

Northern Shoveler Northern Shoveler's picture

An eye for and eye leaves everyone blind. Dodger apparently has been living that code since he is blind to how full of hate his words are.  Hate breeds hate and violence breeds violence.  The only way to peace is by being peaceful not vengeful.

So can any scholars out there give me a cite for that line that vengeance belongs to the lord.  Nice to see the good People of the Book cheering murder in the streets.  No wonder I despise organized religions. 

Catchfire Catchfire's picture

Hi Dodger, it is my opinion that you are trolling this thread. Please stay out of it from now on. And to those who let themselves be provoked, you make Rebecca and my job more difficult when you respond violently. Please use mroe self restraint in the future. Thanks.

Threads

Fidel (@29): I imagine that the charges of murder of US nationals outside the US are in reference to the bombing of the USS Cole (which was apparently in Yemen when the bombing occurred), or perhaps to the 1998 bombings of the US embassies in Tanzania and Kenya.

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

Northern Shoveler wrote:
So can any scholars out there give me a cite for that line that vengeance belongs to the lord.  

Romans 12:19 (King James Version) Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

Fidel

There is no proof that Osama bin Laden orchestrated 9/11. Before she was assassinated, Benazir Bhutto reported that Osama bin Laden was murdered and that she knew the identity of his killer, the same person who claimed to have murdered Daniel Pearl, a Wall Street news journalist. Omar Saeed Sheikh was identified as a 9/11 paymaster a number of years ago. He's supposed to have been beheaded for his role in wiring tens of thousands of dollars to lead hijacker Mohamed Atta, but he is still there in a Pakistani prison, and no one knows why. And he almost started a war between India and Pakistan from his jail cell. Omar Saeed Sheikh has been linked to British and Pakistani intelligence. In fact, a number of high ranking "al-Qaeda" members have been working for the west all along.

There have been a number of other patsies since then. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is the latest "9/11 mastermind." KSM was, in fact, one of their own "freedom fighters" trained in terrorism and guerilla warfare before going to Afghanistan in the 1980s. al-Qa'eda is really al-CIA'da.

[url=http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO110A.html]Osamagate[/url]

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

 

I found this info on another web site, thought I'd share it here and then I'm done with this thread.

After Bin Laden was killed his body was immediately flow to the USS Carl Vinson operating in the Northern Arabian Sea. There in the carrier's medical facility, a team was waiting to confirm his ID and document it (photos, DNA and all that other stuff). After the team was done with the ID process his body was turned over to a Muslim detail that washed his body, wrapped it in white cloth and then... because his body was now on a ship at sea, buried him at sea... all within the followings of Islam. Of course this whole thing was probably thought out long go and it's no coincidence this process left no grave site for whatever reason you care to attach to it.

OBL is dead and gone and, like everyone eles here, will face judgment whenever if you believe in that sort of stuff. If you don't, well, he's just dead and gone then.  

I guess he got what he wanted in the end... death in a shoot out with the great Satan.

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