Saudis retaliate after Canada criticizes human rights violations

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Canada Owes No Apology to the Saudis    -   by Paul Heinbecker (former Cdn. UN Amb.)

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-canada-owes-no-apology-t...

"Urging Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to jump on a plane to Riyadh to apologize for Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland's tweet on Saudi human rights abuses is bad advice. Suggesting we should seek US President Donald Trump's intervention with the Saudis is no better. And portraying Saudi Arabia as a friend and ally is preposterous. Apologists for the Saudis need to give their heads a shake. 

Saudi Arabian authorities continue to subject peaceful dissidents to arbitrary arrests, trials and convictions. Human rights defenders are imprisoned and forced into confessing. A coalition led by Saudi Arabia is conducting a war in Yemen that has become possibly the world's worst humanitarian crisis.

The costs of this grotesquely exaggerated Saudi response, while unwelcome, are affordable for a country with an economy nearly triple the size of Saudi Arabia's. If anything, our reaction to the Saudi outburst should be to build the Energy East pipeline, think twice about sending arms into a conflict zone and make more spots available for Canadians in Canadian medical schools and hospitals..."

Don't agree with Energy East pipeline suggestion. 

NDPP

Prisoners of Conscience: Esraa al Gagamgam

https://twitter.com/m3takl_en/status/1030064230328934401

"We confirm the news that Saudi authorities are preparing to issue a DEATH sentence in the next few days against the human rights activist Esraa al Gagamgam, who has been detained since 6/12/2015/ with her husband for human rights activities."

Women's Rights Activist Executed (and vid)

https://twitter.com/commonsense575/status/1030922489424236545

"AL Ghimgham from Al Qatif by sword beheading. She can be heard saying: 'I did not kill anyone.' (I do not deserve execution). This is unjust oppression before beheading."

Will there be any Tweets from Foreign Affairs on her behalf? If not. Why not? Boycott Saudi!

NDPP

"New video shows two types of Saudi Arabia's Canadian-made armoured vehicles - GDLS - LAVs and Streit Groups - rolling through Yemen."

https://twitter.com/anthonyfenton/status/1030925535008808960

NDPP

How Canada Could Use the Saudi Quarrel to Help the Middle East - And Itself

https://theconversation.com/how-canada-could-use-the-saudi-quarrel-to-he...

"The diplomatic row that erupted between Canada and Saudi Arabia is based on a mild criticism of an autocracy's human rights abuses that normally does not get much response. Yet the Saudi overreaction presents Canada with an opportunity to rethink its Middle East policy. Canada could choose a new path based on universal human rights that would greatly benefit not just Saudi Arabia but those in the broader Middle East and Canadians too.

Contrary to the views of the mainstream media, Saudi Arabia is not reforming under the progressive leadership of a visionary millenial crown prince. Instead it is reacting to unending pressure from economic turmoil and an oppressed population seeking freedom. Yet the Canadian public has little to gain from wooing a despotic regime desperate to sell its single resource. If the diplomatic row escalates to the extent that Saudi Arabia cancels its military contract for Canadian armoured assault vehicles, all the better for the people they are used against..."

NDPP

As a Saudi Student Being Forced To Leave Canada, I'm Going Through the 5 Stages of Grief

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/saudi-arabia-student-leave-canada...

"About 8,300 Saudi post-secondary students living in Canada were left shocked and scrambling earlier this month when Saudi Arabia abruptly ordered them to withdraw from their studies and leave Canada by Aug 31. Here, one of these students shares his story..."

NDPP

Taylor Report: 'Saudi is our pal' (podcast)

http://www.radio4all.net/files/[email protected]/16-1-Commentary08...

@ 1:00 - Some straight talk on Canada-Saudi...

 

United to Kill Children

https://twitter.com/Ibnuyemen/status/1031314629559898112

Add Canada...

No more Weapons! No more Oil! Boycott Saudi!

NDPP

America's War on Yemen Exposed

https://journal-neo.org/2018/08/14/americas-war-on-yemen-exposed/

"...A recent row between Canada and Saudi Arabia over supposed 'human rights' concerns appears to have been a vain attempt to salvage the credibility of at least some nations involved in the now 7 year-long war - the last 3 years of which has seen direct military intervention by Saudi Arabia, its partners and its backers - including Canada. The Guardian in an article titled, 'We don't have a single friend: Canada's Saudi spat reveals country is alone,' attempts to portray Canada as taking a lone, principled stand against human rights abuses in Saudi Arabia, abandoned even by Washington.

Canada's feigned concern for 'human rights' in Saudi Arabia comes at a time when the Canadian government continues approving hundreds of millions of dollars worth of arms sales to Riyadh. This includes small arms and armored personnel carriers Saudi forces are using in their ongoing invasion and occupation of neighboring Yemen.  The feigned divide between Ottawa and Washington over Saudi human rights violations is overshadowed by years of commitment by both North American nations in propping up the Saudi regime, and aiding and abetting the very worst of Riyadh's human rights abuses unfolding amid the Yemeni conflict.

Canada's apparent role is to help compartmentalize the worst of the West's decaying moral authority, containing it with the US and taking up a more prominent role in the West's industrialized 'human rights' and 'democracy' leveraging racket. While Canadian armaments help fuel genocide in Yemen - Canadian diplomats around the world fund agitators and directly meddle in the internal political affairs of foreign nations predicated on promoting 'human rights' and 'democracy.'

However, Canada faces the same problem that has permanently eroded American credibility. And as its role in perpetuating real human rights abuses worldwide continues to be exposed, its feigned concern over token or even manufactured human rights concerns will increasingly appear hpocritical and hollow, undermining the West's collective ability to leverage and hide behind human rights and democracy to advance their self-serving agendas."

NDPP

"The goal of Saudi's bloody $100b fiasco in Yemen - restoration of a puppet to bless a Saudi oil pipeline across Yemen to the Arabian Sea. The puppet is optional."

https://twitter.com/JNovak_Yemen/status/1031702239306547200

 

"Saudi airstrike on Yemen school-bus that killed 40 kids: 'Yet the world's capitals - UK, CANADA, France - have had a muted response. On this World Humanitarian Day, we hang our heads low in shame. Our silence on this is deadly for Yemeni civilians."

https://twitter.com/BaFana3/status/1031469340481208321

No Arms! No Oil! Boycott Saudi!

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NDPP

"Saudi Arabia is using Canadian-made deadly weapons in its monstrous war on Yemen. By continuing to allow arms sales to the Saudis, Justin Trudeau and Chrystia Freeland have made themselves complicit in the mass starvation of Yemeni children."

https://twitter.com/dimitrilascaris/status/1031943060148518912

Jatt47 Jatt47's picture

Lol.

NDPP

There is much in what you say Jatt47. 'We pretend to be morally righteous atop a throne of skulls' is particularly apt in Canada's case. The Saudi monarchy is indeed a creation and longtime tool of western imperialism. In fact it is a critical partner and financier in the bloody business of Yemen, Syria etc. initiated in Western capitals.   Neither am I under any illusions as to the  human rights theatrics of the Prime minister, his foreign ministry or entities such as Human Rights Watch. That being said, the Saudi monarchy is a loathsome thing, as are its western partners Canada, USA , Israel et al. May they all go to hell. But for now this  is what it is and we will see where it goes.

NDPP

Canada Criticizes Saudi Arabia Over Another Jailed Female Activist

https://www.globeandmail.com/politics/article-canada-criticizes-saudi-ar...

"...Human rights advocates this week are sounding the alarm about Israa al Ghomgham and five other activists from Saudi Arabia's troubled Eastern Province. Human Rights Watch says the activists are being tried by the country's terrorism tribunal on charges 'solely related to their peaceful activism' and prosecutors are seeking the death penalty for nearly all of them, including Ms al Ghomgham. Saudi activists told HRW that Ms al Ghomgham would be the first female activist to face the death penalty for her human-rights related work, which sets a dangerous precedent for other women activists currently behind bars. Asked for comment on Ms al Ghomgham's treatment, Ms Freeland's office released a statement saying Canada is worried about the Saudi women's case..."

But not enough to cancel that juicy multi-billion dollar arms deal or stop buying their oil. This is virtue signalling only. Empty words without action. Tell them so...

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NDPP

"Scott Taylor, another who made the connection that few journalists dared to:

'In other words, the armoured vehicle deal was signed well after Saudi Arabia began its overt and blatant interference in Yemen. Instead of waiting for the Saudis to drop the other shoe, we should correct our previous hypocrisy and cancel this deal ourselves.

It is embarrassing to watch Chrystia Freeland preach about defending human rights, while she simultaneously fears the cancellation of a contract to supply a repressive regime with the combat capability to commit further repression."

https://twitter.com/anthonyfenton/status/1032137646481580032

NDPP

Saudi Showdown Spotlights Maritimes' Energy Insecurity

http://thechronicleherald.ca/opinion/1592286-commentary-saudi-showdown-s...

"...The region needs to think more seriously about its reliance on Saudi crude oil and consider replacing these supplies with those from trusted sources. The reliance on Saudi crude continues to threaten energy security in the Maritimes."

voice of the damned

Jatt47 wrote:

 

I guess the western impulse of destroying the enemy who dares to resist w/e the current craze, has not waned.

 

Previously it was Christianity, today it's Progressivism.

 

Either structure your society & customs exactly how we do or we'll use the advantage of 3 continents worth of loot to shut you out of international commerce so you all starve.

 

Except that Canada isn't actually doing anything to "shut out", much less "starve", Saudi Arabia. Nothing even remotely close. The only side that is shutting out Saudi Arabia is Saudi Arabia itself, with its limited economic retaliation and removal of exchange students.  

So much of this debate comes off like a discussion on an alternate-history forum. "Imagine Canada is taking a stand against Saudi Arabia over human-rights. What could they do, and would it be a good idea?"

cco

NDPP wrote:

The Saudi monarchy is indeed a creation and longtime tool of western imperialism.

The most amusing bit about this particular falsehood is that if you'd said it about literally any other country in the region, you'd be correct (Sykes-Picot, Hashemites, Trucial States, Israel, et cetera). Saudi Arabia, on the other hand, was established the old-fashioned way: fanatics riding horses from village to village, beheading those who didn't agree with them. They've been playing their own imperialist games ever since. Oil money's enabled them to trade the horses and swords for Canadian "jeeps" and American fighter jets, though.

NDPP

How Britain Carved Up the Middle East and Helped Create Saudi Arabia

http://markcurtis.info/2016/11/02/how-britain-carved-up-the-middle-east-...

"The British strategy of colonial divide and rule, and reliance on Muslim forces to promote imperial interests, reached its apogee in the Middle East during and after the First World War..."

josh

Jatt47 wrote:

Lot of Generalizations about Saudi people & society in this thread.

 

I guess the western impulse of destroying the enemy who dares to resist w/e the current craze, has not waned.

 

Previously it was Christianity, today it's Progressivism.

 

Either structure your society & customs exactly how we do or we'll use the advantage of 3 continents worth of loot to shut you out of international commerce so you all starve.

 

As a bonus, we may throw in a few covert or overt military interventions.

 

We'll do all this while we pretend to be morally righteous atop a throne of skulls||

 

The Yemen thing is messed up though but it's not like SA's survival isn't intrinsically linked to the 5 Eyes & has been for the last 100 years.

A throne of skulls?  Off with their heads!.  Oh.  Oops.

gadar

Saudi seek death penalty for woman activists for incitement to prtotest and providing moral suuport to rioters.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/saudi-arabia-death-penalty-women-activists-...

NDPP

gadar wrote:

Saudi seek death penalty for woman activists for incitement to prtotest and providing moral suuport to rioters.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/saudi-arabia-death-penalty-women-activists-...

NDPP wrote:

See more on this @ #213

NDPP

Union Calls For Canada to Buy Back Canadian Wheat Board from Saudis Over Spat

https://t.co/6SoNmoE7ac

"The union says Saudi Arabia's decision to stop buying Canadian wheat and barley shows it won't put the interests of grain farmers first. UCTE president Dave Clark says having a foreign country managing an important Canadian asset is wrong and should be reversed."

Re- Nationalize Canadian Wheat Board. Boycott Saudi!

NDPP

Canada PM Says in Diplomatic Talks With Saudi Arabia

https://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/Canada-PM-says-in-diplomatic-talks-w...

"Canada's Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said on Thursday that his government is engaging diplomatically with Saudi Arabia...'We continue to engage diplomatically with Saudi Arabia, I think it's important to have positive relationships with countries around the world,' Trudeau told reporters after cabinet meetings in BC. Trudeau was responding to a question on reports that Saudi Arabia's prosecutor is seeking the death penalty against rights activists."

Notice never a mention of Yemen, never a mention of our  $15 billion arms sales, etc. And after such a hard-fought campaign for concrete actions by concerned Canadians too...

NDPP

Since Canada contributes to the Saudi-Western killing machine with billions in arms, it seems only proper to post the latest warcrimes in Yemen in this thread:

Saudi-Led Airstrikes Kill 27 Civilians in Yemen's Hodeidah: Health Official

https://t.co/tTQCk5uMfP

"Airstrike hits fleeing civilians killing dozens ['mostly children'] after earlier attacks in residential neighborhood left four dead..."

The Saudis, like its partner Israel, seem to have purchased an obscene silence/impunity from the 'international community' no matter how barbaric their crimes. Western leaders, like Justin Trudeau take no concrete measures or positions that would  pressure compliance with universally accepted standards of human rights. Clearly, profits matter more than the lives of brown kids killed with western arms.

NorthReport

Saudi Arabia condemns Canada’s appalling human rights record of selling arms to Saudi Arabia

https://www.thebeaverton.com/2018/08/saudi-arabia-condemns-canadas-appal...

Unionist

NDPP wrote:

Union Calls For Canada to Buy Back Canadian Wheat Board from Saudis Over Spat [...]

Re- Nationalize Canadian Wheat Board. Boycott Saudi!

I don't really see the problem with the Saudis owning the Canadian Wheat Board while refusing to buy Canadian wheat. What are you, some kind of socialist?

NDPP

@U: Something like that..

"Open season on kids in Yemen: no blowback on Saudi at all for any massacre in 3+ years of air strikes."

https://twitter.com/JNovak_Yemen/status/1033061059089911808

 

"In the post-Vietnam era it is exceedingly rare for American media to publish uncensored, gory images of war that reflect poorly on current US foreign policy. Today, Paste Magazine and I did just that to show readers what is really going on in Yemen."

https://twitter.com/WalkerBragman/status/1033000515871944704

Canada sells arms, buys oil from the perpetrators. Are you good with that? Whatcha going to do about it?

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NDPP

"Why doesn't the CDN media ask Ottawa to comment on the spate of recent Saudi/UAE/US war-crimes in Yemen?"

https://twitter.com/anthonyfenton/status/1033514195533234176

What a good question! Why not fwd this tweet to all your  journo friends?

Probably because  few Canadians ask this question of Ottawa either.  Canadians usually only do that if/when corporate media dogwhistles them to. (Just wait until the corporate propaganda media start railing about Idlib and Syria. The same ones silent on Yemen or Palestine will suddenly be cursing Assad/Putin and tearing their hair out with wild abandon.)

NDPP

War is Big Business. We Need A Strengthened Movement to Challenge the Arms Industry

https://buff.ly/2NvFB3C

"Canada is in URGENT need of a strengthened, community-based networked peace movement that is deeply connected with other movements..."

NDPP

"I think Canada should smooth over this with Saudi Arabia by acknowledging its right to exist as a hereditary dictatorship forever, and also acknowledging its rights to some of Yemen's land."

https://twitter.com/justinpodur/status/1034620033815793665

voice of the damned

Saudi Arabia's foreign minister has asked Canada to apologize for demanding the release of Saudi women's rights activists and stop treating the kingdom as "a banana republic" if it wants to resolve a diplomatic dispute between the two countries.

https://tinyurl.com/y8l72y9r

NDPP

But we're still buying Saudi oil and they're still taking our LAVs, so the rest is mostly theater.

josh

voice of the damned wrote:

Saudi Arabia's foreign minister has asked Canada to apologize for demanding the release of Saudi women's rights activists and stop treating the kingdom as "a banana republic" if it wants to resolve a diplomatic dispute between the two countries.

https://tinyurl.com/y8l72y9r

The Saudis have a long way to go to achieve banana republic status.

josh

Saudis suspected of murdering journalist in Saudi embassy in Istanbul.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/07/world/middleeast/turkey-jamal-khashoggi-saudi-arabia.html

Martin N.

Absolutely unconscionable. This act certainly puts the wind under Chrystia's sails. Empty virtue signalling or not, she was standing tall (metaphorically speaking) while everyone else was counting pennies before deciding which side of the fence to perch on.

voice of the damned

Strange case. The fact that the Saudi consulate staff apparently can't just say "No, we gave him his marriage license, and then we watched him walk out of the office"(bonus points if they actually saw him leave the building), is a pretty clear indication that something is going on.

But what, exactly? The Saudis just murdered him right there in the consulate, and smuggled the body out? Or kept it there in a deep-freezer? That would be pretty brazen, given that at the very least, his fiance would know that he never left the building.

voice of the damned

And I'd hold off on the Nobel Prizes for Chrystia Freeland, until she actually DOES something about any of this. Because right now, all it amounts to is "A few months back, she said the Saudis were bad, and now they've done something bad." I'm gonna guess that a huge chunk of the population doesn't even remember that she said anything.

cco

voice of the damned wrote:

But what, exactly? The Saudis just murdered him right there in the consulate, and smuggled the body out? Or kept it there in a deep-freezer? That would be pretty brazen, given that at the very least, his fiance would know that he never left the building.

Chopped it up into a dozen pieces and brought it out in diplomatic pouches would be my guess. There's a long history of Vienna Convention privileges being used to do stuff like that.

Unionist

voice of the damned wrote:

And I'd hold off on the Nobel Prizes for Chrystia Freeland, until she actually DOES something about any of this. Because right now, all it amounts to is "A few months back, she said the Saudis were bad, and now they've done something bad." I'm gonna guess that a huge chunk of the population doesn't even remember that she said anything.

She is a redolent piece of shit. Sorry to be so honest in my phrasing.

Ken Burch

josh wrote:

voice of the damned wrote:

Saudi Arabia's foreign minister has asked Canada to apologize for demanding the release of Saudi women's rights activists and stop treating the kingdom as "a banana republic" if it wants to resolve a diplomatic dispute between the two countries.

https://tinyurl.com/y8l72y9r

The Saudis have a long way to go to achieve banana republic status.

They have to start growing bananas there, for a start.

cco

Not to mention do something about that monarchy.

Martin N.

cco wrote:
Not to mention do something about that monarchy.

Like the Canadian government buying out the Saudi 'jeep' contract, embargoing Saudi oil and giving the Saudi  princeling a hearty 'piss off, mate'. 

Principles, by their very nature have a price attached to them. Virtue signalling attempts to circumvent the price part. Oscar Wilde, once again comes to mind.

Martin N.

Unionist wrote:

voice of the damned wrote:

And I'd hold off on the Nobel Prizes for Chrystia Freeland, until she actually DOES something about any of this. Because right now, all it amounts to is "A few months back, she said the Saudis were bad, and now they've done something bad." I'm gonna guess that a huge chunk of the population doesn't even remember that she said anything.

She is a redolent piece of shit. Sorry to be so honest in my phrasing.

Honesty is best. Casually viscious but stylish among peers - a window, not a door.

NDPP

Latest on Canada's Saudi regime customers:

Journalist Reported Tortured and Slain in Saudi Consulate

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/10/09/saud-o09.html

"Whatever Khashoggi's services to the Saudi monarchy and US imperialism, his reported  torture, murdering and butchering  at a government consulate in Istanbul, if true, represents an act of savagery that exposes the essence of Washington's closest ally in the Middle East and, more generally, US policy throughout the region."

SeekingAPolitic...

I think the whole idea murdering one reporter or dissent.  Well in the range of Saudi Arabia permitted action by the US.  The Saudia truth of matter killing the Yemen population at will.

 https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-middle-east-45857729/yemen-could-be-wo...

If Suadi can complacent with starving 13 million people in Yemen.  Let put another way,a leadership endangering the lives 13 million people through starvation. I suggest 1 body extra added to total 13 million is the for Suadi, not a concern  of the government at this moment.

 

 

NDPP

I agree. If Canada was serious about human rights, (it isn't) it would cease supplying arms to the butchers of Yemen. It hasn't.  Here's one of the reasons Canada hasn't moved to stop its arms tranfers to the Saudis for their war in Yemen:

"The realignment in the Middle East - where the Israelis are de facto allies and partners with the Saudis and UAE regimes, even while maintaining the facade of distance - has been one of the most under-discussed stories..."

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1051659620178104320

NDPP

Western Leaders To Punish Saudi Arabia By Being Less Polite When Selling Them Weapons

https://twitter.com/TheCanaryUK/status/1051484018774958081

"Feel the wrath of our slightly dimished enthusiasm."

 

Canada's Streit Group Helps Saudis Kill Yemenis - No Press

"Since June 2016, hundreds of Streit Group armored vehicles, made by a Canadian company based in the UAE, have been spotted in use by Saudi-backed forces in Yemen War. To date, not a single Canadian media outlet has reported on them."

https://twitter.com/anthonyfenton/status/1051276377075331074

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

The reason that the killing of Khashoggi has gotten American politicians and elite journalists so upset is that they see him as one of their own. He lived amongst them, and wrote for the WaPo, and no doubt attended their dinner parties. So, they identify with him, unlike the poor victims of war in Yemen and so many other places, who are nothing more than numbers to these U.S. big shots. Quite disgusting, but nothing new.

Mobo2000

Yes, well said.

NDPP

Indeed, it is a measure of the power of this elite media that one can post articles on a subject till the cows come home but little notice is taken until or unless it is in the NYT, WaPo or The Guardian, The Globe, etc. This is something liberal progressives must overcome as a diet almost exclusively of elite media sources tends to make them stupid and reactionary just as it is designed to do.

josh

Didn't someone once say that one person's death is a tragedy and a million deaths just a statstic.

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