So Bernie, how you doing?

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Sean in Ottawa

We should be open to the idea that Russia indeed might want Bernie. Russia wants the US to be unstable. The US needs what Bernie has to offer but Bernie is disruptive and him running against Trump is certainly good for popcorn sales in Russia.

But ther are other reasons Russia may want Bernie. On the international stage Bernie may be much more pragmatic. People applauded Trump for saying that he would not bring the US into useless wars but they misunderstood what Trump meant until Trump was proud to say he dropped the biggest non-nuclear bomb ever. Sanders would likely make Russia easier to govern. As Sanders may focus more resources on domestic US he would free Russia (with a much smaller economy) to do the same. Sanders is less likely to destabilize the world in ways that disturb not only Russia but many countries. This does not mean Russia has a friendly outlook on the world but they woudl prefer a Sanders to an old fashioned Democrat cold warrior. 

The Russians probably do not fully understand Sanders: if he won he might make the US much stronger, even if they are less menacing. The US is rotting from within. Their economy is a sham of credit and debt due to inequality. Sanders might offer the last best hope of the US stepping back from the brink. On the other hand, the Russians don't want the US stronger than them but they probably are reasonably afraid of what the US would look like in freefall. Far too much of the well being of the globe is threatened by the US either in ascendency or in collapse. The Russians may understand that the US may be in decline but a sudden collapse is bad for the world compared to a slow decline. Sanders dramatically could reduce the chance of a sudden collapse by shoring up the weakest element of the US: the welfare of the people. 

I would guess that most people in the world could rationally determine that Sanders is the best bet not just to beat Trump, who is clearly dangerous, but also to avoid the standard US democratic cold warrior. Trump may be Russia's first choice (or not) but Sanders is a good pick for them for the same reasons that he is a good pick for every other country in the world.

I still have not understood any reason why the US would feel that it would gain anything by interfering in this election. The US is either screwed which is okay or will pick a candidate (Sanders) who would be less harmful to the world. Seems that in a Trump-Sanders matchup the Russians win either way: either the US will harm itself and be less harmful to others or it will help iteself and be less harmful to others.

I believe the Russians are not now a positive force on the world stage either but that does not mean they would not gain out of the US being better. Now that said a Bernie Presidency could create all kinds of positive shifts in the world and that could even include much better communications between Russia and the rest of the world.

On that point -- Putin is also a product of context. Had, Europe and the US welcomed Russia in the 1990s in a positive way, Putin likely would have had a different world view and liekly would not even be the leader. His politics is informed very much by the betrayal of Russia by the US and Europe that took place in the 90s -- and the hostile posture then taken against Russia. Any understanding, even the most basic, of Russian history would have led to the ability to predict this perfectly -- and some did at the time.

josh

"Unlike Donald Trump, I do not consider Vladimir Putin a good friend,” the statement said. “He is an autocratic thug who is attempting to destroy democracy and crush dissent in Russia. Let’s be clear, the Russians want to undermine American democracy by dividing us up and, unlike the current president, I stand firmly against their efforts, and any other foreign power that wants to interfere in our election.”

Sanders on Friday called the interference an “ugly thing” that is attempting to “divide us up.”

“That’s what they did in 2016. That is the ugliest thing they’re doing, is they are trying to cause chaos, trying to cause hatred in America,” Sanders told reporters. “It is an ugly business, and all of us have got to say, ‘Sorry, you are not going to do this in this election.’”

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/21/bernie-sanders-condemns-russian-116640

Sean in Ottawa

josh wrote:

"Unlike Donald Trump, I do not consider Vladimir Putin a good friend,” the statement said. “He is an autocratic thug who is attempting to destroy democracy and crush dissent in Russia. Let’s be clear, the Russians want to undermine American democracy by dividing us up and, unlike the current president, I stand firmly against their efforts, and any other foreign power that wants to interfere in our election.”

Sanders on Friday called the interference an “ugly thing” that is attempting to “divide us up.”

“That’s what they did in 2016. That is the ugliest thing they’re doing, is they are trying to cause chaos, trying to cause hatred in America,” Sanders told reporters. “It is an ugly business, and all of us have got to say, ‘Sorry, you are not going to do this in this election.’”

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/21/bernie-sanders-condemns-russian-116640

Who knows what he really thinks. This is the statement he would have to send if he wants to have a chance at winning.

I suspect that Sanders knows the real threat comes from within the US but there is no way he could get away with saying that now..

That said any evidence of what the Russians are or are not doing he has seen.

 

Sean in Ottawa

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contrarianna

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

We should be open to the idea that Russia indeed might want Bernie. Russia wants the US to be unstable. The US needs what Bernie has to offer but Bernie is disruptive and him running against Trump is certainly good for popcorn sales in Russia....

You appear to somewhat qualify this statement later, but despite the popular notion from Russiagate that Russia wants to "destabilize" the US it doesn't make much sense for Russia to want the inveterately warmongering US, which surrounds Russia with military bases and nuclear weapons, internally fractious and unstable.

A stable and less threatening US would be the more obvious goal of any self-interested Russian campaign, if it existed. Sanders, because of the near total internal state opposition would be (if the virually impossible happened and was elected) paralyzed on all progressive fronts by both houses and both parties, as well as the media and security state apparatus. This would hardly make the situation better for Russia. Any (very faintly) possible rapprochement between the US and Russia would likely have to come from an accepted establishment figure, al la Nixon's visit to Communist China, not someone who has been tarred for years as "Russia's dupe".
 

Sean in Ottawa

contrarianna wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

We should be open to the idea that Russia indeed might want Bernie. Russia wants the US to be unstable. The US needs what Bernie has to offer but Bernie is disruptive and him running against Trump is certainly good for popcorn sales in Russia....

You appear to somewhat qualify this statement later, but despite the popular notion from Russiagate that Russia wants to "destabilize" the US it doesn't make much sense for Russia to want the inveterately warmongering US, which surrounds Russia with military bases and nuclear weapons, internally fractious and unstable.

A stable and less threatening US would be the more obvious goal of any self-interested Russian campaign, if it existed. Sanders, because of the near total internal state opposition would be (if the virually impossible happened and was elected) paralyzed on all progressive fronts by both houses and both parties, as well as the media and security state apparatus. This would hardly make the situation better for Russia. Any (very faintly) possible rapprochement between the US and Russia would likely have to come from an accepted establishment figure, al la Nixon's visit to Communist China, not someone who has been tarred for years as "Russia's dupe".
 

I do not see it as a contradiction. A very stable US that is ahead of Russia and competative with it could inspire the objective of making it less stable. This would not mean to the point of making it dangerous  -- just less effective. This could have been a 2016 objective

An already unstable US as it is in 2020 -- socially politically is not something you would want to see become even more unstable as it will become dangerous. I see no reason why anyone would want to further destabalize the US in 2020 for competative reasons but I could see the value of having done so in 2016, although the result was more than desired.

NorthReport

ABC already forecasting Sanders' win tonite

NorthReport

Bernie Sanders’s Biggest Win Yet

The Vermont senator’s dominant victory in Nevada solidifies his standing as the Democratic front-runner and gives a boost to the party’s progressive wing.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/02/bernie-wins-nevada/606937/

NorthReport

Looks like Bernie has about 47% of the vote, doubling Biden the second place finisher who has 23% or 24%

NorthReport

Bernie wins again

The Vermont senator easily bests his rivals in Nevada to cement his frontrunner status. A close battle is shaping up for second place.

LAS VEGAS — Bernie Sanders didn’t just win the Nevada caucuses.

He was crushing the rest of the primary field, closing in on another early-state victory and proving an ability to broaden what was once believed to be a narrow coalition.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/22/nevada-caucuses-biden-sanders-116719

NorthReport

Sanders eviscerates the conventional wisdom about why he can't win

In Nevada, he exposed his main rivals as weak, divided, and grasping at increasingly tenuous arguments about their viability.

Bernie Sanders

Sen. Bernie Sanders. | Drew Angerer/Getty Images

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/22/bernie-sanders-nevada-2020-election-116762

contrarianna

A resounding win for Sanders. Texas next.

In the Texas Democratic Congressional race, Sanders endorsed progressive Jessica Cisneros faces headwinds against Henry Cuellar, "Trumps favorite Democrat". 

Sunday, February 23, 2020

'Utterly Shameful': Pelosi Slammed for Boosting Koch-Backed Texas Democrat Over Progressive Challenger Jessica Cisneros

"Nancy Pelosi is backing a 'Democrat' who votes with Trump nearly 70% of the time, has an 'A' rating from the NRA, is anti-choice, and has received tens of thousands of dollars from the Kochs."

....House Speaker Nancy Pelosi stirred outrage Saturday by visiting Texas Rep. Henry Cuellar at his campaign headquarters in Laredo and voicing hope that the Koch-backed, anti-choice Democrat will ride to a "resounding victory" over progressive primary challenger Jessica Cisneros on March 3.

"We want this to be not only a victory, but a resounding victory for Henry Cuellar," Pelosi told dozens of Cuellar campaign workers and supporters. "Every step you take, every door you knock, every call you make, will make that resounding victory possible—and it includes getting out a big Democratic vote prepared to vote again in the general election so that we turn Texas blue."....

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/02/23/utterly-shameful-pelosi-sla...

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This is going to look pretty bad on Pelosi once Cisneros wins, which I stongly suspect she will do. BTW, Cisneros is a fabulous candidate, another AOC if you will.

NorthReport
josh

Michael Moriarity wrote:

This is going to look pretty bad on Pelosi once Cisneros wins, which I stongly suspect she will do. BTW, Cisneros is a fabulous candidate, another AOC if you will.

Cuellar has faced other serious challenges and withstood them, despite his lousy voting record.  Only reason I can think why Pelosi is campaigning for him is that he'll totally be in her debt if he survives.

NorthReport

Bernie Sanders clobbers other Democrats in Nevada with pitch for Medicare for all and Green New Deal

https://www.straight.com/news/1363866/bernie-sanders-clobbers-other-democrats-nevada-pitch-medicare-all-and-green-new-deal

NorthReport

Culinary Workers Bucked Their Leadership by Backing Bernie Sanders in Nevada. Here’s What They Knew.

https://theintercept.com/2020/02/23/culinary-workers-bucked-their-leadership-by-backing-bernie-sanders-in-nevada-heres-what-they-knew/

NorthReport

Outcry after MSNBC host compares Sanders’ Nevada win to Nazi invasion

  • Calls for firing of Chris Matthews after widespread anger
  • Sanders, a self-proclaimed democratic socialist is Jewish

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/feb/23/msnbc-chris-matthews-sanders-nevada-win-nazi-invasion

contrarianna

NorthReport wrote:

Outcry after MSNBC host compares Sanders’ Nevada win to Nazi invasion

  • Calls for firing of Chris Matthews after widespread anger
  • Sanders, a self-proclaimed democratic socialist is Jewish

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/feb/23/msnbc-chris-matthews-sanders-nevada-win-nazi-invasion

The Guardian's sole focus on person of Matthews as an exception almost amounts to a red herring given the MSNBC corporate culture. Matthews is merely the tip of the corporate media iceberg:

Sunday, February 23, 2020
MSNBC in 'Full-Blown Freakout' Mode as Bernie Sanders Cements Status as Democratic Frontrunner
"Nazi comparisons, commentators near tears, and even a stunning admission that maybe they don't understand the country anymore."

byJake Johnson, staff writer
....
But Saturday marked a clear escalation in hostility from MSNBC's on-air personalities as Sanders' diverse coalition of supporters propelled him to a landslide victory in Nevada, the third consecutive state in which the senator has won the popular vote.

Nicole Wallace, former communications director for the George W. Bush White House, described Sanders' multi-racial, multi-generational coalition as a "squeaky, angry minority" and accused the senator of deploying "dark arts" as she introduced Democratic political consultant James Carville, who proceeded to declare Sanders' win in Nevada a victory for Russian President Vladimir Putin.

At one point in his appearance, Carville waved at the camera and said, "Hi, Vlad," suggesting Putin was likely watching MSNBC's coverage of the caucus results....

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/02/23/msnbc-full-blown-freakout-m...

It's understandable that those establishment media at the forefont of the "Never Trump" posture, riding on dubious and profitable Russiagate clickbait hysteria as the alleged reason that the Clinton didn't win (thus avoiding a close look at the  major, exceptionally dangerous and destructive actions and policies of Trump which often have an embarrassing commonality with somewhat less extreme versions in the  Democratic party establishment.
Sanders is seen as a far greater threat to their profitable business models than the Trump they love to hate--all the way to the bank.

Published on
Tuesday, September 17, 2019
by
Fairness and Accuracy In Reporting (FAIR)
The Incredible Belief That Corporate Ownership Does Not Influence Media Content
by
Alison Rose Levy

As Sen. Bernie Sanders (CJR, 8/26/19) has recently noted, corporate ownership of media interferes with the core societal function of the press: reporting and investigating key issues at the intersection of public need and governance. And nowhere is that more critical than when it comes to climate. Due to their corporate conflicts of interest, trusted news authorities have diverted us from our primary responsibility—assuring a viable habitat for our children and grandchildren.

As a journalist who has worked both inside and outside of establishment media, I see influence as embedded in a corporate media culture rather than in isolated cases of CEO dictates. It happens in little ways, such as how an interviewer frames a question, and in big ways, like the decision to exclude a topic, a person or a group of people from the airwaves.

Like most US companies, news organizations are hierarchies, which people who have worked in corporate offices can readily understand. Given that “90% of the United States’ media is controlled by five media conglomerates,” the top executive at many news outfits is likely the CEO of a multinational corporation. The word comes down from the business execs to the company’s division chiefs, as seen in countless movies (like the 1976 classic Network). This was how it was when I worked on primetime national news at CBS in the 1990s....

Higher-ups would never offer editorial staff direct input on content. That’s what the executive and middle management were for. Would these managers confide to their staff that the big guns gave them a certain direction? No. Whatever it was, they would present it as their own, and it would be adopted.

Within this culture, controlling the content goes on in whispers, frowns, headshakes and decisions made behind closed doors. If anyone strays into a verboten zone, as I did when I proposed a feature about Native Americans, those in the know privately communicate the ethos that is expected and allowed. “We never put American Indians on air because they talk too slow,” a producer explained....

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2019/09/17/incredible-belief-corporat...

Aristotleded24
JKR

Quote:
Trump tells 'Crazy Bernie' Sanders: 'don't let them take it away from you!'

Trump seems to think he'll have an easy time beating "crazy Bernie Sanders." I sure hope Trump is completely wrong about that. I think Sanders would be a wonderful president, probably the best since FDR. I think Trump wants to label Sanders as being a crazy socialist who'll raise crippling taxes on everyone and bankrupt America in the process. That's completely not true, especially coming from someone who's actually gone bankrupt a few times. Also, I think Sanders would be the most ethical president since Jimmy Carter. Sanders would "drain the swamp" instead of vastly contributing to it as Trump has.

contrarianna

JKR wrote:

Quote:
Trump tells 'Crazy Bernie' Sanders: 'don't let them take it away from you!'

Trump seems to think he'll have an easy time beating "crazy Bernie Sanders." I sure hope Trump is completely wrong about that. ....

That's an interesting question. Late January there was this article:

Trump Is Growing Concerned About Bernie Sanders, While His Advisers Think the Vermont Senator Will Be Easy to Beat
Ryan Grim
January 29 2020, 1:00 a.m.
....
Last week, the New York Times reported that some of Trump’s advisers believe that Sanders is a beatable general election candidate and have worked to elevate him, a report that former South Bend Mayor Pete Buttigieg’s campaign seized on to argue that Sanders is a risky nominee. But the same article suggested that Trump himself disagrees and has been working to undermine Sanders with his public comments. “The president, his advisers say, has been in need of a clear target for months, and he believes he is actually hurting Mr. Sanders. Mr. Trump’s advisers do not necessarily share that view,” the Times reported. The divergent views among Trump and his aides lead to an amusing strategic synchronicity: Trump believes that he is hurting Sanders by attacking him, while the president’s advisers believe that he is helping Sanders with those same attacks — and so Trump attacking Sanders serves the interests (as they understand them) of both Trump and his advisers....

https://theintercept.com/2020/01/29/trump-sanders-2020-election/

So if Trump's advisers claimed that Trump's attacking Sanders was actually helping Sanders, perhaps Trump has come around to believe that his poisoness touch of making positive noises about Sanders will undermine him better than attacks. Much of the liberal corporate media seems to be reinforcing that associative line in undermining  Sanders.

NDPP

Re: 'Why Does Putin Love Bernie?'

 

Guess We Didn't See That Coming

https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/guess-we-didnt-see-it-coming

"...One might deduce that the Democratic Party nomenklatura realized in a flash of insight that Russia's affections were far more useful applied to Mr Sanders than Mr Trump, whose station among the Dems these days ranks as 'worse than Satan'. Not much to work with there..."

' Most of the world is just collapsing in laughter.' - Chomsky

NorthReport

Chris Matthews apologizes to Bernie

Aristotleded24

Watch the latest ad ahead of the South Carolina Primary

What sets Bernie's ads apart from the others that I really like is that most of the ad space is spent on letting his supporters speak.

contrarianna

NorthReport wrote:
Chris Matthews apologizes to Bernie

A dishonest, self-serving strategic retreat by MSNBC's Matthews due to Sanders family being slaughtered by Nazis.

No apologies given as he jumps between Nazi smears and Commie redbaiting. From Feb 8:

When discussing a possible Bernie Sanders presidency, MSNBC's Chris Matthews ranted about hypothetical executions in Central Park under Castro

https://www.businessinsider.com/chris-matthews-rants-about-bernie-sander...

And then there is his support for "moderate" Democrats preferring 4 more years of Trump over Sanders
February 22, 2020:

MSNBC's Chris Matthews Suggests Four More Years of Trump Might Be Better for Democratic Party Than Sanders Winning White House
"This is what happens when you and your network are in a complete panic-riddled meltdown."

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/02/22/msnbcs-chris-matthews-sugge...

The true face of MSNBC and the trusted corporate news outlets in a nutshell.

lagatta4

By the way, there was an important movement for people-to-people solidarity in the shadow of the Cold War and the nuclear menace. I remember that, though I was very small. It did not mean that the majority of the people taking part on the Western side were "pawns" of the Soviet Union. I had slightly older relatives who took part in such initiatives, though at the most they were CCF/NDP.

I don't know how much younger people grasp how terrified we were of nuclear war - I was little, perhaps at the beginning of school and had night terrors about it, as children nowadays are terrified and crying about the billion non-human animals killed in Australia, and closer to home, the possible extinction of woods caribou and belugas. I hugged my first kitty and cried. Think I was six.

contrarianna

lagatta4 wrote:

By the way, there was an important movement for people-to-people solidarity in the shadow of the Cold War and the nuclear menace. I remember that, though I was very small. It did not mean that the majority of the people taking part on the Western side were "pawns" of the Soviet Union. I had slightly older relatives who took part in such initiatives, though at the most they were CCF/NDP.

I don't know how much younger people grasp how terrified we were of nuclear war - I was little, perhaps at the beginning of school and had night terrors about it, as children nowadays are terrified and crying about the billion non-human animals killed in Australia, and closer to home, the possible extinction of woods caribou and belugas. I hugged my first kitty and cried. Think I was six.

Quite so lagatta.
The fear was unfortunately a response to a real nuclear threat, which is now according to the Bullitin of Atomic Scientists now  at a greater danger than ever.  They now couple it with the climate disaster.

https://thebulletin.org/doomsday-clock/

https://thebulletin.org/doomsday-clock/current-time

The difference in the earlier times of fear, useless fallout shelters and school children taught to "duck and cover" was that nuclear weapons were new, openly tested above ground, newly acquired by enemy states, and only a decade or two since 2 cities and about 200,000 people were wiped out with 2 outdated "small yield" bombs.

Although over the years there have been a number of extremely close calls to nuclear annihilation due to aggression, brinkmanship, blunders, system failures and misjudgments, it is like people  living for years on the side of an active volcano, consciousness of the threat has grown faint in the minds of those who live with it.

In the Cuba missile crises alone we were lucky twice: Kennedy went against his staff who recommended a nuclear attack and,,on the other side,  a rogue Russian sub captain who didn't attack, went against rules of engagement and his officers when it was thought a US ship was dropping live depth charges on them, rather than "warning" devices.

NDPP

Krystal Ball: Panicked DNC Elites Try to Stop Bernie's Big Super Tuesday

https://youtu.be/vyEk4BlciXg

"With Bernie Sanders poised for a big Super Tuesday, Krystal Ball discusses the Democratic establishment's panic, Elizabeth Warren's attack on Sanders, and whether DNC elites are once again alienating the working class voters they lost in 2016."

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