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Echoes of Massacre: Europe Talks of Syria Intervention

http://rt.com/news/massacre-syria-intervention-europe-544/

"It is not possible to allow Bashar-al Assad's regime to massacre its own people,' Reuters quoted Hollande as saying. 'I want what happened in Libya to be perceived as proof that foreign intervention is possible in Syria. Homs today is Benghazi yesterday,' he said."

NATO's Death Squads Responsible for Houla Massacre: Analyst (and vid)

http://presstv.com/detail/2012/05/30/243821/nato-death-squads-syria-houl...

"A prominent political analyst says that NATO-backed armed gangs have been behind the recent killings of civilians in the Syrian town of Houla. Press TV has conducted an interview with Dr Webster Tarpley to further discuss the issue.."

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NDPP wrote:

NATO's Death Squads Responsible for Houla Massacre: Analyst (and vid)

http://presstv.com/detail/2012/05/30/243821/nato-death-squads-syria-houl...

"A prominent political analyst says that NATO-backed armed gangs have been behind the recent killings of civilians in the Syrian town of Houla. Press TV has conducted an interview with Dr Webster Tarpley to further discuss the issue.."

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Webster Griffin Tarpley (born 1946) is an American historian, author, journalist, lecturer, and critic of US foreign and domestic policy. Tarpley maintains that the September 11 attacks were engineered by a rogue network of the military-industrial complex and intelligence agencies as a false flag operation. His writings and speeches describe a model of terror operations by a rogue network in the military/intelligence sector working with moles in the private sector and in corporate media, and locates such contemporary false flag operations in a historical context stretching back in the English speaking world to at least the Gunpowder Plot in England in 1605. 

 

Good job PressTV, that's some prominent political analyst you got there. Got anything with a little less conspracy on it?

NDPP

Hey FOX-fans here's more:

The Imperialists and the Jihadis: The Evil Alliance Against Syria - by Glen Ford

http://blackagendareport.com/content/imperialists-and-jihadis-evil-allia...

"Ameicans are now programmed to lust for Syrian blood, just as they looked for Libyan blood, Afghan blood - whatever the demonized blood-of-the-day. It's easy for such voracious consumers of gore to project blood lust on others, even when, as with the Syrian regime, there is no motive for the crime.

'It makes absolutely no sense for the Syrian regime to allow the slitting of children's throats while UN observers are stationed throughout the country.' The modus operandi ond motive for the crime point to al Qaida and other jihadis - and their various US, [Canadian], European and rich Arab backers.."

kropotkin1951

Bec if they were reporting that these children had died from shelling I would be happy to agree that the Syrian military is a likely cause.  The idea that government troops are going to slit the throats of children is drivel.  Press TV is definitely a propaganda outlet but then its hard to find MSM outlets in the West that are not shilling for NATO and demanding that it flex its, Western taxpayer funded, muscles.

NDPP

Death Squad Coordinator Robert Ford Keynotes Amnesty International Annual Meeting

http://anti-imperialism.com/2012/03/31/death-squad-coordinator-robert-fo...

"The former US Ambassador to Syria, Robert S Ford, presented part of the keynote address during the 2012 Amnesty International Annual General Meeting, held in Denver Colorado between March 30th and April 1st. While AI made sure to keep the appearance of Ford under wraps from the public, it was mentioned by supporting media prior to the event.

Between 2004 and 2006 Ford worked closely under US Ambassador John Negroponte at the US embassy in Baghdad. During his previous tenure as ambassador to Honduras, Negroponte devised and implemented the policy of funding and training death squads to combat leftist insurgencies in the region. In Iraq, Negroponte charged Ford with a similar task: funding and training militias to carry out sectarian violence aimed at a largely Sunni resistance.

In late January of 2011, during the same time that the first protests in the country occurred, Ford arrived in Syria to serve as the newly appointed ambassador. Since violence has wracked the country, Ford has been accused of recruiting and aiming foreign fighters from the region to destabilize and possibly overthrow the Syrian government.

Amnesty International uses its supposed legitimacy to build public support for regime change in various Third World countries to the inevitable effect of promoting a neo-liberal imperialist agenda. In this regard, Amnesty International is part of the 'left wing of imperialism'...

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kropotkin1951 wrote:

Bec if they were reporting that these children had died from shelling I would be happy to agree that the Syrian military is a likely cause.  The idea that government troops are going to slit the throats of children is drivel. 

I agree with that assessment; the more I read up on it and more information is starting to come in the less it looks like artillery played a major role in the massacre (which is different from the original stores we were told).

I also agree it was not regular soldiers or fighters from neither side that did this... This was the job of a unique force of individuals. It would be naive to think both sides don't possess such people and it's still hard to say who did it as both sides media machines are going full bore to blame the other side.

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 Press TV is definitely a propaganda outlet but then its hard to find MSM outlets in the West that are not shilling for NATO and demanding that it flex its, Western taxpayer funded, muscles.

 

I have no problum with that. As I've said before I can't stand the way the majority of western media is covering this event. That still doesn't mean I'm going to accept the PressTV version just because "they are different"... I think they are both full of shit.

 

I do not support any intervention in Syria, nor do I support or trust the FSA. Removing the current regime, no matter how brutal it is, would be a big mistake. But then I'm not running the show so I get to watch as this goat fuck unfolds from the peanut gallery like everyone else. 

NDPP

Hi Bec,

Yeah but at least I knew early on from Press that most of the dead at Houla were shot at close range while you were still lost in artillery scenarios...caw Sealed I try and read everything I can find but Press and RT are usually a good place to start. Throw in a quick look at the Beeb or NYT and you should be good to go...start your search for more. And I think that Tarpley's pretty good on Syria as well. Of course it's  a conspiracy. What the hell else would it be?

howeird beale

NDPP wrote:

Hi Bec,

Yeah but at least I knew early on from Press that most of the dead at Houla were shot at close range while you were still lost in artillery scenarios...caw Sealed I try and read everything I can find but Press and RT are usually a good place to start. Throw in a quick look at the Beeb or NYT and you should be good to go...start your search for more. And I think that Tarpley's pretty good on Syria as well. Of course it's  a conspiracy. What the hell else would it be?

 

I wouldnt get too cocky. Most of what you reprint is speculative, with no first person accounts and precious little journalism. What you reprint (it's not like you do any research yourself, at all) is usually so poorly written it undermines, rather than bolsters, the anti-imperia;list narrative.

NDPP

Can't please all the people all the time howierd. So why not put your money where your mouth is and post some of your own favourites

howeird beale

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Bec if they were reporting that these children had died from shelling I would be happy to agree that the Syrian military is a likely cause.  The idea that government troops are going to slit the throats of children is drivel.  Press TV is definitely a propaganda outlet but then its hard to find MSM outlets in the West that are not shilling for NATO and demanding that it flex its, Western taxpayer funded, muscles.

 

The US has B-52s that can carpet bomb hundreds of square miles of land at a time; the idea that their soldiers would walk into Mai Lei and kill infants and the elderly is just silly.

howeird beale

NDPP wrote:

Can't please all the people all the time howierd. So why not put your money where your mouth is and post some of your own favourites

 

Who are you reaching, dude? 80% of the posts on your threads are by you, posting worthless 'journalism' from the same three sites over and over and over again.

No one reads these threads.

NDPP

US Ready to Act on Syria Outside UN? (and vid)

http://www.rt.com/news/us-sanctions-syria-un-649/

"The US has hinted at taking actions against the Syrian regime bypassing the authority of the UN Security Council. This comes as pressure is piling up on Damascus following the massacre in Houla that claimed over 100 lives. Susan Rice's comments became a disturbing reminder of what happened in 1999 when the US and NATO intervened in the former Yugoslavia without a UN Security Council mandate.."

Engineering Consent for An Attack on Syria: Syria Houla Massacre - Divide and Conquer - (and vid)  - by Syrian Girl

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article31450.htm

"The mainstream media is blaming the Houla massacre on the Syrian military. However facts on the ground do not match these statements. The massacres in Syria are purposeful, to fuel a civil war in my country and pave the way for foreign intervention.."

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Nobody I talk to, not even the Repubs I know, supports or wants the USA to invade or intervene in Syria.

kropotkin1951

howeird beale wrote:

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Bec if they were reporting that these children had died from shelling I would be happy to agree that the Syrian military is a likely cause.  The idea that government troops are going to slit the throats of children is drivel.  Press TV is definitely a propaganda outlet but then its hard to find MSM outlets in the West that are not shilling for NATO and demanding that it flex its, Western taxpayer funded, muscles.

The US has B-52s that can carpet bomb hundreds of square miles of land at a time; the idea that their soldiers would walk into Mai Lei and kill infants and the elderly is just silly.

The idea that the US troops would go into Des Moines and kill infants and the elderly is indeed absurd, as it is in Syria.  The culprits like at Mai Lei are almost certainly to be murderous foreigners trying to impose their will in someone else's country.

NDPP

Expulsion From Canada 'Unfair' Syrian Diplomat Says (and vid)

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20120529/canada-syrian-diplomats-12...

"One of the Syrian diplomats expelled today from Canada by Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird calls the decision 'unfair' and 'biased'. 'I think it's unfair and even the Canadian government's position on the crisis in Syria was unfair from the beginning,' Bashar Akbik told Fife. 'They always gave us a deaf ear when we tried to give the government an idea of what was happening to our country.' He said that the Canadian position was 'biased and I'm sorry for that."

NDPP

Damascus Finds Armed Groups Responsible for Houla Massacre, US Does Not Believe (and vids)

http://www.rt.com/news/syria-report-massacre-houla-718/

"...Lawrence Freeman from Executive Review Magazine says 'we are right on the verge of another responsibility to protect type intervention for regime change in Syria...The point is not what they are trying to do in Libya or Syria - there are certain global empire forces that are playing a global game. And the global game is to force countries around the world to submit to their intimidations and to give up their sovereignty."

howeird beale

No accounts from witnesses. It didn't even occur to either RT or Assad's government that evidence from people might make their story more credible.

It didn't even cross their minds.

What garbage.

NDPP

The Houla Massacre (and vid)

http://www.voltairenet.org/THE-HOULA-MASSACRE-Opposition

"Opposition terrorists killed families loyal to the government.."

 

In Syria - NATO Death Squads Driving NATO's 'Feared' Civil War (and vid)

http://landdestroyer.blogspot.ca/2012/06/in-syria-nato-death-squads-driv...

"Syria finds 800 man death squad guilty of Houla massacre. Putin warns of extreme danger while Hollande drifts towards warmonger camp..Webster Tarpley interviewed.

 

Save Syria: Demand End to Supporting Sectarian Terrorists  -  by Tony Cartalucci

http://landdestroyer.blogspot.ca/2012/06/save-syria-demand-end-to-suppor...

"US, Israel and Saudi Arabia have plotted bloodbath for years. It is clear what must be done to avert a repeat of a Libyan style genocidal catastrophe and save Syria. The support for sectarian terrorists by the West must end." See timeline

This includes Canada who is a member of the US backed pro-terrorist faction called 'Friends of Syria

NDPP

US Steps Up Pressure for Intervention in Syria  - by Patrick Martin

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/jun2012/syri-j01.shtml

"Top US officials are stepping up pressure for an imperialist intervention in Syria, whose goal would be the overthrow of President Bashar al Assad and the installation of a Quisling government to do the bidding of Washington and its European allies..."

'US Wants Chaos Within Islamic World' (and vid)

http://youtu.be/PbRrDHKSmhs

William Engdahl on Western Agenda for Syria

NDPP

US Insists on Assad's Overthrow

http://presstv.com/detail/2012/06/03/244493/us-insists-assad-overthrow/

"The United States says any political solution in Syria should result in the overthrow of Syrian President Bashar al Assad. 'Assad's departure does not have to be a precondition, but it should be an outcome of any political solution,' - Hilary Clinton

Hague Talks of 'Greater Than Libya' Military Intervention in Syria

http://presstv.com/detail/2012/06/03/244396/military-intervention/

"British Foreign Secretary William Hague says military intervention in Syria would have to take place on a much larger scale than the operations in Libya..."

Bomb Assad's Palaces and Army Barracks - Haroon Siddiqui

http://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorialopnion/article/1204739--bomb-ass...

"...it's time to invoke the Canadian/UN principle of R2P, responsibility to [Plunder] protect civilians from being massacred by their own rulers. Assad needs to be given a short deadline that he must leave with his family to a pre-arranged exile or face the bombing of his palaces and that of his crones, as well as air defences and the barracks of his army or militias. The best way to avoid a civil war in Syria is to end the Assad regime."

all the usual blood-hounds seem to be baying for war

Caissa

Syria's Foreign Ministry says Damascus is expelling Western diplomats.

Ministry spokesman Jihad Makdessi said Tuesday the list of diplomats includes the ambassadors of the United States, Britain, Turkey, France and others. Some have already left the country because of the violent uprising.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/06/05/syria-expels-western-diplo...

NDPP

'Houla Massacre Entails Tsunami of Lies Against Syrian Government (and vid)

http://presstv.com/detail/2012/06/05/244687/houla-carnage-mired-in-tsuna...

"The Houla massacre has created such an 'enormous tsunami of lies' against the Syrian government, making it difficult to discern the truth from the lies surrounding the incident, says an analyst. Press TV interviews Sign of the Times Sott.net, Niall Bradley , Dr Kevin Barrett and political analyst Jihad Mouracadeh.."

NDPP

US Post-Assad Syria Plan: Intervention in the Cards?

http://www.rt.com/news/assad-power-transition-clinton-241/

"As the violence in Syria worsens, Washington has been ramping up threats to intervene without UN approval in the absence of international consensus. Now, as reports of a new massacre emerge from Syria, State Secretary Hillary Clinton has announced a new transition plan that would remove Assad from power completely, possibly signaling the US is ready to go it alone.."

US & UN Openly Waging War on Syria  -  by Tony Cartalucci

http://landdestroyer.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/us-un-openly-waging-war-on-s...

"As with atrocities committed with impeccable timing to be paraded out before the world on the eve of pivotal UN meetings, little more than 'activist' hearsay is used to condemn the Syrian govenrment to more foreign pressure and edge it ever closer to a US engineered sectarian war planned as early as 2007. Kofi Annan as well, after posing as 'peacemaker' for months, finally dropped all pretenses and credibility to 'blame' the Syrian government for the failure of his plan - a deceitful ploy from the very beginning..."

NDPP

Syrian Rebels Tried to Kill UK Journalists, Afghans in Syria

http://aangirfan.blogspot.ca/2012/06/syrian-rebels-plots-to-kill-journal...

"Channel 4 News chief correspondent Alex Thomson says anti-Assad Syrian rebels plotted to kill him and his crew when they were in Syria. He says that he and his crew were deliberately led by the rebels into an area where they would be killed. He said: 'I'm quite clear the rebels deliberately set us up to be shot..Dead journos are bad for Damascus.."

NDPP

'Humanitarian Intervention' in Syria - Towards Regional War? (and vid)

http://tv.globalresearch.ca/2012/06/humanitarian-intervention-syria-towa...

"As the Syrian crisis enters its 16th month - the recent massacres in Houla and Hama have revived calls for foreign intervention and the toppling of President Bashar al Assad. US Ambassador to the UN Susan Rice has recently hinted that the US would soon take action outside of the Annan plan and the authority of the UN if the persistent violence in Syria continued unabated. Nile Bowie, Michel Chossudovsky"

Iran: Syrian Intervention 'Will Be Defeated'

http://www.rt.com/news/iran-syria-resistance-intervention-441/

"Iran is ready to mount a resistance against a possible outside attack on Syria, two senior generals of the Islamic Republic said. The statements came as the level of violence in war-torn Syria continues to escalate. The pro-Assad 'resistance' would ensure that aggressors do not survive the conflict, a senior commander of Iran's Revolutionary Guards, Brigadier General Massoud Jazaeri told Mashregh, a media outlet run by the Guards..."

NDPP

Syrian Crisis, Imperialist Agenda Against Mideast: Analyst (and vid)

http://presstv.com/detail/2012/06/09/245332/syria-unrest-imperialist-age...

"It is an agenda for replacement of governments that are not acceptable to American imperialism,' said political analyst commentator Ralph Schoenman in a Friday interview, alluding to the Syrian crisis. 'It is not only in SYria this project...it is intended for Iran. It was implemented in Libya, it is the nature of imperial intervention in the region. That is the underlying reality here; every day confirms it,' he added."

NDPP

More Western Journalists Blame Rebels for Syrian Violence

http://aangirfan.blogspot.ca/2012/06/more-western-journalists-blame-rebe...

"Peter Hitchens has been contacted by a group of Western women who live in Syria and who believe that we are being lied to about Syria. Peter Hitchens believes it is 'vital that people resist attempts to drag us into Syria, too, by feeding us one sided atrocity propaganda. Peter Hitchens remins us that Libya, rescured by us a few months ago, is now a failed state whose main international airport was recently taken over by gangsters, and where unjustly arrested prisoners are starved and tortured in secret dungeons.

According to one of Hitchens informants from Syria. 'These protesters are not peaceful, flower-carrying people wanting freedom. No, they are weapon-toting killers who snipe, who ambush, who fire upon the army with the sole purpose of inciting riot and mayhem.' The informants say many of these 'activists' are foreigners.."

These are the ones Canada and the other 'friends of Syria' support.

Fidel

Eyewitness account: Media lies about Syria Interview

Smoke from burning tires, tourists from Chechnya, Libya and Romania,  and Afghans who thought they were in Israel.

NDPP

Canada Condemns Syrian Massacres - Again

http://www.ottawasun.com/2012/06/09/canada-condemns-syrian-massacres--again

"..With dozens more Syrian civilians killed Saturday as dictator Bashar al Assad tries to crush dissent, Canada has again denounced the regime in Damascus. 'Canada condemns in the strongest terms the recent reports of the killing of innocent civilians, including women and children, by the Assad regime,'said Rick Roth, spokesman for Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird.."

Israeli President Supports Armed Groups in Syria

http://presstv.com/detail/2012/06/10/245450/peres-backs-armed-groups-in-...

"Israeli President Shimon Peres has put his weight behind armed groups in Syria despite Damascus efforts to bring calm to the crisis-hit country. Peres said in an interview with Israeli public radio on Sunday that he respected the armed gangs who 'expose themselves to live fire and I hope that they will win.."

US Military Lobbies for War with Syria  - by Chris Marsden

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/jun2012/syri-j09.shtml

"Once again, Dempsey utilised an alleged massacre as a platform for his warmongering - joining a Republican lobby led by Senator John McCain and Sentor Joe Lieberman, a former Democrat, urging the direct arming of the Syrian opposition and US air support.."

NDPP

US Creates Tensions in Middle East to Boost Israel Security (and vid)

http://presstv.com/detail/2012/06/10/245506/israel-security-high-on-west...

"Western powers, especially the US, foment tensions in the Middle East to keep down all the countries in the region and guarantee Israel's security, an analyst tells Press TV. Discussion with experts Stephen Lendman, Omar Nashabe, Haitham Alsibahie.."

NDPP

Western Allies Make Life Difficult for Syrian People in Canada (and vid)

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/06/07/244954/western-life-difficult-sy...

"...Since the initiation of the Western based destabilization of Syria, Syrian ex-pats have found themselves increasingly inconvenienced because of their peaceful aspirations for Syria.."

 

 

Western States Pounce on Massacre Mayhem in Syria - Interview with Pepe Escobar, Asia Times (and vid)

http://tv.globalresearch.ca/2012/06/western-states-pounce-massacre-mayhe...

"The Syrian rebels appear to have stepped up their attacks, and now the newly elected leader of the Syrian National Council is saying the group will be the political brains behind the opposition. The civil war until a few months ago could be theoretically restricted to northern Syria. Now it is spreading all over. Now we are going to have more suicide bomber attacks in Damascus itself, which is the Lebanonization scenario, the Vietnamization scenario: total civil war..."

NDPP

Russia Prepares Army for Syrian Deployment  - by Clara Weiss

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/jun2012/rusy-j12.shtml

"...The units being prepared for an intervention are the 76th Division of Airborne Forces (and especially experienced unit of the Russian Army), the 15th Army Division, as well as special forces from a brigade of the Black Sea fleet, which has a base in the Syrian port of Tarturus.."

Houla Massacre Carried Out By Free Syrian Army, According to Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung  - by Chris Marsden

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/jun2012/syri-j13.shtml

"The Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung on June 7 published a report from Damascus by Rainer Hermann, who based his article on investigations by oppositionists who visited the area and took eye-witness testimony. They largely confirm the account of the events in Houla given by the Assad government..."

Fidel

Gladio Gang arming the region says Lavrov Putin sends attack helicopters to crush uprising/armed insurgency

NY Times on the new proxy war in the Middle East.

Zbigniew Brzezinski wrote:
According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahideen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, [on] 24 December 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise. Indeed, it was July 3, 1979, that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the President in which I explained to him that in my opinion, this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.

[url=http://www.voltairenet.org/NATO-preparing-vast-disinformation][=blu... preparing vast disinformation campaign[/color][/url]

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In a few days, perhaps as early as Friday, June 15, at noon, the Syrians wanting to watch their national TV stations will see them replaced on their screens by TV programs created by the CIA. Studio-shot images will show massacres that are blamed on the Syrian Government, people demonstrating, ministers and generals resigning from their posts, President Al-Assad fleeing, the rebels gathering in the big city centers, and a new government installing itself in the presidential palace.

kropotkin1951

Fidel wrote:

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In a few days, perhaps as early as Friday, June 15, at noon, the Syrians wanting to watch their national TV stations will see them replaced on their screens by TV programs created by the CIA. Studio-shot images will show massacres that are blamed on the Syrian Government, people demonstrating, ministers and generals resigning from their posts, President Al-Assad fleeing, the rebels gathering in the big city centers, and a new government installing itself in the presidential palace.

Great article Fidel thanks.  To bad that this stuff sucks in most people including Canada's Official Opposition.  I trust that you have sent that to all the NDP officials you can think of to make sure they won't get fooled again.

NDPP

The NDP officials weren't 'sucked in' or 'fooled'. If you and I and millions of others worldwide can figure out the geopolitics, do you seriously imagine the NDP can't? Furthermore, if they had been 'fooled', wouldn't they have declared this to be the case once they realized the dreadful regime-change/poli-cide they were 'fooled' into unanimously supporting? At no point since has the NDP indicated any regret or interest in Libya's fate. Despite it laying in smoking, looted ruins, ruled by NATO-rat militias, pirates and thieves the NDP has said nothing critical of NATO or Canada's role. On the contrary party spokespeople congratulated the military on a job well done. The truth is absolutely irrelevent to the NDP. The power relations and realpolitic are all that matter. The only ones 'fooled' are the NDP's useful idiots here and elsewhere that time and time again let them off the hook for their crimes of complicity and collaboration.

As to which way the No Difference Party will lean in the latest imperial adventure in Syria and the next in Iran, it looks to me like they've already decided..

"New Democrats strongly condemn the latest brutal massacre by the Syrian government against its own citizens, including children, in the city of Houla. It was a brutal crime in clear violation of earlier commitments by the Syrian government to cease the use of violence against civilians.." Paul Dewar NDP

 The  USraeli organ-grinders have already demanded regime change. Their monkeys will obey accordingly..

'I am an ardent supporter of Israel in all circumstances and instances - Thomas Mulcair

CDN_FORCES

What I find funny is the great lengths to which some people will go to defend the Syrian government. It is after all a goverment of a an ethnic minority ruling over everyone else*, similar to the old South Africa. Oh, and the fact that its army is deliberately targeting civilians and the UN observers.

 

*As of 2012, the Alawis comprise the entirety of the top military and intelligence offices. Government employees from lower bureaucratic ranks are largely from the popular majority of the Sunni Muslim faith, who represent about 74% of Syria's population. The Alawis are currently the politically most powerful religious affiliation in Syria and the only one in direct governmental control.

Unionist

CDN_FORCES wrote:

What I find funny is the great lengths to which some people will go to defend the Syrian government.

What I find funny is the lengths to which you and your masters went to overthrow the Libyan government. At least the rest of us confine our views about foreign regimes to words on the Internet. 

CDN_FORCES

Unionist wrote:

CDN_FORCES wrote:

What I find funny is the great lengths to which some people will go to defend the Syrian government.

the rest of us confine our views about foreign regimes to words on the Internet. 

 

Exactly. Some people spout words, strong words even, then turn off the computer and go sleep in peace and comfort. Even in Montreal from what I hear. Others actually go out there and make the world a better place.

Unionist

Rah rah rah! Kill and bomb for Liberty!

 

CDN_FORCES

Unionist wrote:

Rah rah rah! Kill and bomb for Liberty!

 

Nope. It's about stopping the killing and bombing.

Unionist

Here ya go, bud - hang on to this, it'll come in handy, and no, don't thank me, that's what comrades are for:

[url=http://www.militaryjusticeinternational.com/]1-800-817-1106[/url]

 

 

CDN_FORCES

Unionist wrote:

Here ya go, bud - hang on to this, it'll come in handy, and no, don't thank me, that's what comrades are for:

[url=http://www.militaryjusticeinternational.com/]1-800-817-1106[/url]

 

I think you may have more need for a 1-800 number of some sort than me.

NDPP

CDN_FORCES wrote:

What I find funny is the great lengths to which some people will go to defend the Syrian government. It is after all a goverment of a an ethnic minority ruling over everyone else*, similar to the old South Africa. Oh, and the fact that its army is deliberately targeting civilians and the UN observers.

 

*As of 2012, the Alawis comprise the entirety of the top military and intelligence offices. Government employees from lower bureaucratic ranks are largely from the popular majority of the Sunni Muslim faith, who represent about 74% of Syria's population. The Alawis are currently the politically most powerful religious affiliation in Syria and the only one in direct governmental control.

NDPP

This is all quite irrelevent to the geopolitical 'hitlist' on which Syria sits. It has nothing to do with what the Syrian government does or doesn't do and everything to do with imperial designs.

http://youtu.be/9RC1Mepk_Sw

Unionist

NDPP wrote:

This is all quite irrelevent to the geopolitical 'hitlist' on which Syria sits. It has nothing to do with what the Syrian government does or doesn't do and everything to do with imperial designs.

What are you trying to tell us, man - that Hillary Clinton and Stephen Harper don't actually give a flying fuck about women and children being slaughtered in Syria? What is it with you extremist radicals anyways??

NDPP

"..Muammar Gadhafi's scandalous and widespread repression has outraged and shocked us all: indiscriminate attacks against civilians, massacres in a number of Libya's cities, massive offensive attacks against unarmed protesters, rape as a weapon of war and extrajudicial killings..We are proud of the work done by our soldiers. We are proud of their actions. I would like to personally thank them for their excellent work and I know that all of my colleagues,of all political stripes,join me in thanking them.' Christine Moore NDP

"Gadhafi's death means he'll never be able to terrorize his own people or the world again. The Libyan people can finally turn the page on 42 years of vicious oppression and continue their journey toward a better future..' Stephen Harper CON.

"I came, I saw, he died" - Hillary Clinton

 stay tuned for more of the above.

CDN_FORCES

Or Assad could just, you know, stop shelling civilians. Seriously though, my own opinion is that there won't be any Libya style Western intervention in Syria. Assad will be condemned and all that but in the end overwhelming force will quell the rebellion in much the same way his father dealt with a rebellion decades ago. I think in that case 20,000 people were killed. Terrible time to be a non-Alawi Syrian right now.

Fidel

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Fidel wrote:

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In a few days, perhaps as early as Friday, June 15, at noon, the Syrians wanting to watch their national TV stations will see them replaced on their screens by TV programs created by the CIA. Studio-shot images will show massacres that are blamed on the Syrian Government, people demonstrating, ministers and generals resigning from their posts, President Al-Assad fleeing, the rebels gathering in the big city centers, and a new government installing itself in the presidential palace.

Great article Fidel thanks.  To bad that this stuff sucks in most people including Canada's Official Opposition.  I trust that you have sent that to all the NDP officials you can think of to make sure they won't get fooled again.

 

You're asking the NDP to take sides? With which side, that state capitalist government in Moscow? Does anyone think the FSB and spetsnaz have not perpetrated false flag terror on their own citizens in the recent past? Bad as you want.

I don't believe this is a black and white issue of good guys versus bad guys It's more like grey and black, or rotten versus terrible. The NDP should probably go with the flow until next election instead of chowing down on the colder war baloney. Who wants to challenge the propaganda machine? Bad move imo. This is FPTP, and, yes, it's dirty. Oh so dirty. No points will be awarded for pursuit of truth in this one. I want the NDP to cede no FPTP political ground to the Harpers. Nothing. Scorched earth from here to 2015.

Fidel

CDN_FORCES wrote:

Or Assad could just, you know, stop shelling civilians. Seriously though, my own opinion is that there won't be any Libya style Western intervention in Syria. Assad will be condemned and all that but in the end overwhelming force will quell the rebellion in much the same way his father dealt with a rebellion decades ago. I think in that case 20,000 people were killed. Terrible time to be a non-Alawi Syrian right now.

 

And on the other side of the coin the CIA, Brits, Saudis, Pakistan and western taxpayers in general have been funding terrorist training schools in Central Asia since the 1980's. IED's, car bombs, hijackings, it's all good. Saudis and West fomenting sectarian violence in Syria.  

Al-Qa'eda = Al-CIA'da

CDN_FORCES

I think the tensions between the Alawis and the non-Alawis are such that these violent flare ups don't require any outside interference. We're not talking about two different groups that have lived together for centuries with no real issues (Mormons and Protestants in the USA, for example). I'm also not assigning blame to any side.

Fidel

CDN_FORCES wrote:

I think the tensions between the Alawis and the non-Alawis are such that these violent flare ups don't require any outside interference. We're not talking about two different groups that have lived together for centuries with no real issues (Mormons and Protestants in the USA, for example). I'm also not assigning blame to any side.

 

The west has a history for choosing to support the most extreme right wing fundamentalists over religious moderates. Our right wing extremists are most comfortable when dealing with other right wing fundamentalists like themselves. And there is a reason for it.

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