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George Victor

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siryourbrains wrote:

This isn't about taxes. It's about racism...

It's principally about taxes and a concern about an intrusive central government.  The movement has a very strong libertarian streak to it.  And, it's largely composed of people occupying "the vast middle" in this country (neither left nor right ideologues).  They are the independents who put Obama in office and put Brown in the Senate.

Poll show that Democratic voters still back Obama with very high numbers.  It's the indpendents who are fleeing Obama (and, not, despite the hopes and fantasies of some, because he's "not left enough").

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Thank you, GV. And I guess since this is a Canadian-based board I should get out of the habit of referring to the U.S. as "this country."

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George Victor wrote:

So the get REAL honest in teapartiers fashion....YES you feel hard done by, not being able to go out and pick up that iPad (last year you bragged about the merits of kindle...'member? And snickered at this poster's likely inability to afford one.  You go from strength to strength, Sven.   But I must say you do reinforce my love for old Canuckistan.

What is up with your incessant focus on the Kindle?  Like I said, I don't even own one.  And, no, I don't recall "snickering" about your inability to afford one.

Fidel

The rich in America will be in trouble some day when 90% of Americans realize they serve no higher purpose than to be filthy rich and lording it over the vast majority.

George Victor

siryourbrains wrote:

Thank you, GV. And I guess since this is a Canadian-based board I should get out of the habit of referring to the U.S. as "this country."

Yep.  I have cousins in Michigan and Florida whom I love dearly, but they know enough to make the territorial distinction.  And is your perspective ever welcome!!!  

Please let us know what you would recommend for reading down thataway..  Thanks

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Sven wrote:

The movement has a very strong libertarian streak to it.  And, it's largely composed of people occupying "the vast middle" in this country (neither left nor right ideologues).  They are the independents who put Obama in office and put Brown in the Senate.

Well, first of all, one can dismiss outright your claim of "libertarianism" (by which I assume you mean American-style free-market libertarianism), because the only "big government" programs these people oppose are the one's proposed by Obama. They don't oppose big government when it comes to war. There's even that now famous sign pictured at a rally that says something like "don't steal from medicare to pay for socialized medicine."  This is entirely about hating Obama, and it's driven by the Right.

You talk about "the vast middle" as if they're the sane people in this equation. If this band of lunatics is the sane middle, then America is in a lot more trouble than I thought.

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George Victor wrote:

Please let us know what you would recommend for reading down thataway..  Thanks

But, whatever you do, siryourbrains, do not recommend anything for a Kindle...don't even mention the word "Kindle".  Otherwise, we'll soon have GV parrotting the word "Kindle" in every damned post he writes here!!

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Sven wrote:

siryourbrains wrote:

This isn't about taxes. It's about racism...

It's principally about taxes and a concern about an intrusive central government.  The movement has a very strong libertarian streak to it.  And, it's largely composed of people occupying "the vast middle" in this country (neither left nor right ideologues).  They are the independents who put Obama in office and put Brown in the Senate.

 

 Not quite true Sven.  There is most definately a Republican and more extreme right wing bent to the teaparty movement.  Cries of the GOP not being conservative enough and RINO hunting are quite rampant. So yeah there are 'independents' but charactizing them as all  being in the middle of the spectrum  is just plain false. Any persuing of sites on the internet that cater to them or include self identified partiers makes that pretty clear.     Hell even Brown is now being called to the RINO inquisition from some tea party quarters.  Which is ironic considering you have those taking credit for his election and now those opining because they were fooled or something.   You have strategies in motion about taking the GOP back from the RINOs and those that entail running "Tea Party" candidates on their own. 

 Yes there is definately a libertarian streak, especially out of Paulian libertarian land. You also get a nice mishmash of Birchers which are rising up again, three percenters and numerous other 'rightie' type groups which in no way can be considered some sort of middle road, moderate type political viewpoints.

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siryourbrains wrote:

Well, first of all, one can dismiss outright your claim of "libertarianism" (by which I assume you mean American-style free-market libertarianism), because the only "big government" programs these people oppose are the one's proposed by Obama. They don't oppose big government when it comes to war.

Sorry to break this to you, but most of the tea partiers don't identify with big government Republicans, either.

siryourbrains wrote:

You talk about "the vast middle" as if they're the sane people in this equation. If this band of lunatics is the sane middle, then America is in a lot more trouble than I thought.

I guess it's in more trouble than you thought.

Anyone with even a passing knowledge of American politics knows that the independents in the middle determine elections here.

Now, whether the middle is "sane" or not, I'll leave that conclusion to you.

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Sven wrote:

siryourbrains wrote:

Well, first of all, one can dismiss outright your claim of "libertarianism" (by which I assume you mean American-style free-market libertarianism), because the only "big government" programs these people oppose are the one's proposed by Obama. They don't oppose big government when it comes to war.

Sorry to break this to you, but most of the tea partiers don't identify with big government Republicans, either.

siryourbrains wrote:

You talk about "the vast middle" as if they're the sane people in this equation. If this band of lunatics is the sane middle, then America is in a lot more trouble than I thought.

I guess it's in more trouble than you thought.

Anyone with even a passing knowledge of American politics knows that the independents in the middle determine elections here.

Now, whether the middle is "sane" or not, I'll leave that conclusion to you.

 

 Yes the 'independent'' determine elections.   The point is that it's not the  vast middle in terms political viewpoints. .  "Independent' is not some sort of synomym for 'libertarian' or anti-big government. 

Good grief.

George Victor

Dickens would have dubbed this fella' the Artful Dodger, syb.  Never speaks to the core of your posting, very deft at devious detours to the picayune and irrelevant.  You know  the brand.

George Victor

The greased pig at the country fair has nothin' on him. No sir.

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ElizaQ wrote:

...charactizing them as all  being in the middle of the spectrum  is just plain false...

Well, I never said that.

In my re-quote below, I've highlighted some key qualify language and added some bracketed edits.

Sven wrote:

It's principally [not "exclusively"] about taxes and a concern about an intrusive central government.  The movement has a very strong libertarian streak to it [it's not "wholly libertarian"].  And, it's largely [again, not "exclusively"] composed of people occupying "the vast middle" in this country (neither left nor right ideologues).  They are the independents who put Obama in office and put Brown in the Senate.

Again, it's the idependents who put Obama in office...and it's independents who largely compose the tea partiers.

Also, I didn't say independents are closet lefties (and from a lefty perspective, they are, of course, "right wing").  But, they definitely tend to occupy the middle of the American political spectrum.

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Sven wrote:

Sorry to break this to you, but most of the tea partiers don't identify with big government Republicans, either.

Sorry to break this to you, but you don't know what you're talking about. Just ask the unofficial head of the entire thing, Sarah Palin. She supports invading Pakistan, and supported Bush the entire way with his big government wars. If you're telling me that the tea partiers are more Ron Paul than George Bush, you're straight up wrong. We're talking Reagan/Bush Republicanism here.

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siryourbrains wrote:

Just ask the unofficial head of the entire thing, Sarah Palin.

There is certainly a significant segment of the movement who love Sarah Palin, I'll grant you that.

 

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Sven wrote:

ElizaQ wrote:

...charactizing them as all  being in the middle of the spectrum  is just plain false...

Well, I never said that.

In my re-quote below, I've highlighted some key qualify language and added some bracketed edits.

Sven wrote:

It's principally [not "exclusively"] about taxes and a concern about an intrusive central government.  The movement has a very strong libertarian streak to it [it's not "wholly libertarian"].  And, it's largely [again, not "exclusively"] composed of people occupying "the vast middle" in this country (neither left nor right ideologues).  They are the independents who put Obama in office and put Brown in the Senate.

Again, it's the idependents who put Obama in office...and it's independents who largely compose the tea partiers.

Also, I didn't say independents are closet lefties (and from a lefty perspective, they are, of course, "right wing").  But, they definitely tend to occupy the middle of the American political spectrum.

 Sven your logic here is incredibly faulty. An 'independent' does not necessarily follow some sort of middle ground between Dem and GOP by  "Independents' comprise people from all over the politcal spectrum. Everywhere from the extreme left on the spectrum to the extreme right to people that just don't care about politics except at voting time.  So sure you can say that self identified 'independents' are major supporters of the tea party but that doesn't equal sitting in the middle of the political spectrum between liberal and conservative.   Tea party politics are not moderate or not 'in the middle' of the political spectrum.  They're right and pushing a more extreme right  version of conservatism then the GOP.  Many tea partiers are ex-gopers who left for 'independent' world because the GOP has gone too left in their eyes.