Terrorist plot in Michigan uncovered

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Aristotleded24
Terrorist plot in Michigan uncovered

This is frightening:

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Thirteen people were charged Thursday in an alleged domestic terrorism plot to kidnap Michigan Democratic Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, federal and state officials announced.

The alleged scheme included plans to overthrow several state governments that the suspects "believe are violating the US Constitution," including the government of Michigan and Whitmer, according to a federal criminal complaint.

Six people were charged federally with conspiracy to kidnap, and seven other people, associated with the militia group "Wolverine Watchmen," were charged by the state, Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel announced.

"The individuals in (state) custody are suspected to have attempted to identify the home addresses of law enforcement officers in order to target them, made threats of violence intended to instigate a civil war, and engaged in planning and training for an operation to attack the capitol building of Michigan and to kidnap government officials, including the governor of Michigan," Nessel said at a press conference.

The arrests are likely to draw additional attention to the political tensions roiling the nation in the closing weeks of the 2020 election season, and underline warnings from law enforcement officials, members of Congress and groups that track extremism about the increasing threat of extremist and far-right groups. Whitmer at times has been the focus of extreme vitriol from far-right groups over her handling of the coronavirus pandemic.

That's ridiculous. Trump has targeted her repeatedly, and Michigan is home to many milita groups that believe in this kind of thing. The fact that people feel emboldened to threaten public officials like this? Tim Black is right when he calls these people terrorists.

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

These incels are terrorists. They should be tried as terrorists. This is literal treason. Technically the whole bunch of them should be hanging swaying sise to side.  Just sayin'

Where are you, Barr? Too busy investigating Clinton, Obama and Hunter Biden? Sedition applies only to anti fascists?

What a fucked up country. Please, PLEASE let it not happen here. Please don't vote Conservative.

Aristotleded24

Now you have a sheriff weighing in:

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A Michigan county sheriff defended the men arrested in a plot to kidnap Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, including a member of the group he appeared with on a stage at a rally earlier this year.

“I haven’t read everything up on it, I’ve got other duties to do, it wasn’t our investigation," Barry County Sheriff Dar Leaf told WXMI. “I was shocked, did not see this coming with those guys, but still we can’t convict them in the media here, they do have a right to a fair trial.”

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“It’s just a charge, and they say a ‘plot to kidnap’ and you got to remember that. Are they trying to kidnap? Because a lot of people are angry with the governor, and they want her arrested. So are they trying to arrest or was it a kidnap attempt? Because you can still in Michigan if it’s a felony, make a felony arrest,” Leaf said. “I think it’s MCL 764.4, 764.5 somewhere on there [MCL 764.16]and it doesn’t say if you are an elected office that you’re exempt from that arrest. I have to look at it from that angle and I’m hoping that’s more what it is, in fact, these guys are innocent till proven guilty so I’m not even sure if they had any part of it.”

Leaf does not regret sharing the stage with the Nulls.

“The two gentlemen that I know of from my county, were they involved in that? I don’t know. They’re innocent till proven guilty,” Leaf said. “And we really, really should be careful, trying to try them in the media.”

There's so much wrong with that. First, to defend these people as "nice guys," as a law enforcement officer, would he not have seen many people who look like "nice guys" to the wider community who abuse and beat their children and wives behind closed doors? As for reiterating the presumption of innocence? He's technically correct, but how often does law enforcement go out of their way to do that with suspects they are prusuing? And the whole citizen arrest thing? Really?

Aristotleded24

Michigan is also a state where this happened.

jerrym

And it isn't just Donald Trump who is pushing this forward. It's the Republican Party. 

Republican senior Senator and liberterian Mike Lee of Utah after the arrest of the Michigan militia 13 tweeted the Republican truth: 

We're not a democracy. 

Democracy is not the objective; liberty, peace and prosperity are. We want the human condition to flourish. Rank democracy can thwart that.

Senator Cindy Hyde-Smith of Mississippi tweeted, again after the arrest of the Michigan militia 13, when people saw the results of Trump's four years of inflammatory language

We're Coming Guns Loaded, Packed to Confirm Barrett

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

The only good thing about the Trump Presidency is he pulled away a massive,minutely pusy scab and exposed the real face of the 'Conservative' movement.

It can happen here. That's my concern.

lagatta4

Yes, it's just across the bridge.

Pondering

alan smithee wrote:

The only good thing about the Trump Presidency is he pulled away a massive,minutely pusy scab and exposed the real face of the 'Conservative' movement.

It can happen here. That's my concern.

It won't happen here because the Reform Conservatives are unlikely to win even a minority government and definitely not a majority one. Those days are over. 

Aristotleded24

Pondering wrote:

alan smithee wrote:

The only good thing about the Trump Presidency is he pulled away a massive,minutely pusy scab and exposed the real face of the 'Conservative' movement.

It can happen here. That's my concern.

It won't happen here because the Reform Conservatives are unlikely to win even a minority government and definitely not a majority one. Those days are over.

If you think that Canada is better than the United States when it comes to racism, try coming to the Prairies and see the attitudes about Aboriginal people that are far to widespread in this region. Ask people about the high number of Aboriginal people shot by the police (especially white middle-class people who actually turn out to vote), and a common response you will hear is that they were criminals who had it coming and that Aboriginals just want special treatment and to be able to commit crimes without consequence. Alan is absolutely right, and O'Toole is No'Foole for sure.

As unpopular and openly racist with the niqab issue as Harper was, he still won close to 100 seats and 30% of the vote. Scheer was an idiot, and actually beat Trudeau in the popular vote. O'Toole is a much better politician than either of them. Not only that, but by all accounts the economic response to the pandemic is going to leave the working class worse off. That's not exactly a recipe for tolerance and harmony.

Misfit Misfit's picture

The Conservstives are the alternative to the Liberal Party. Canadians vote out the Liberals to put the Conservstives in. If we sink into a major global depression, then the Conservstives and their anti-immigration rhetoric will sweep the nation.

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

I agree with misfit. Whenever the public gets fed up with the Liberals, the Cons will win the next election because they are the only alternative in most voters' minds, and that is not likely to change any time soon.

Aristotleded24
Aristotleded24

I also want to add my agreement to the statements offered by Misfit and Michael above. In terms of being accused of racism, even Conservatives pay lip service to the idea of accepting what they term "legitimate" refugees, so to paint them as Trumpists on that issue won't stick. Even so, should the economy crash, you are going to see a major backlash in Canada against the idea of accepting refugees when people here are suffering.