Trump impeached for second time. What's next?

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NorthReport

Trump smears don't diminish McConnell

https://www.rove.com/article/2-18-21-wsj

JKR

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Before Trump ran for office he was repeatedly sued for shoddy business practices and it was well reported and the subject of comedian jokes and hard hitting documentaries that did everything except call him a thief. That was before he build his cult of personality. What makes you think this will be different?

I think one major difference will be that members of Trump's cult of personality will be the ones in court claiming Trump as president instructed them to do what they did to land them in court facing long sentences. These court cases will pit Trump against members of his own cult. Will these trials be televised?

kropotkin1951

JKR wrote:

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Before Trump ran for office he was repeatedly sued for shoddy business practices and it was well reported and the subject of comedian jokes and hard hitting documentaries that did everything except call him a thief. That was before he build his cult of personality. What makes you think this will be different?

I think one major difference will be that members of Trump's cult of personality will be the ones in court claiming Trump as president instructed them to do what they did to land them in court facing long sentences. These court cases will pit Trump against members of his own cult. Will these trials be televised?

All the people who sued him at one time were his blind devotees. I never understood how people get sucked in by guys like him until I saw Bill Vander Zalm work a small crowd. I think that either you keep underestimating his conman abilities or overestimating the society that includes the ethos, "never give a sucker an even break."

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NorthReport wrote:

How does that self-pardon work again?

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/08/alan-dershowitz-trump-impeachme...

alan dershowitz is another Guillliani. I've seen him on the telly defend Trump while declaring himself as a ' Liberal Democrat' every 2 minutes. What an idiot.A seriously huge moron. And a charlatan He is just another Trumpist stuffed im a little car with the rest of the Trump clowns.

NDPP

Greenwald: The fake and exaggerated claims still being spread about the Capitol Riot

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/the-false-and-exaggerated-claims

"Condemning that riot does not allow, let alone require, echoing false claims in order to render the event more menacing and serious than it actually was. There is no circumstance or motive that justifies the dissemination of false claims by journalists. Yet that is exactly what has happened and continues to happen since that riot almost seven weeks ago..."

NorthReport
JKR

NDPP wrote:

Greenwald: The fake and exaggerated claims still being spread about the Capitol Riot

"Condemning that riot does not allow, let alone require, echoing false claims in order to render the event more menacing and serious than it actually was. There is no circumstance or motive that justifies the dissemination of false claims by journalists. Yet that is exactly what has happened and continues to happen since that riot almost seven weeks ago..."

Since many people made videos of the riot it is obvious to everyone outside of Trump's cult of personality that Trump is primarily responsible for the riot. Over 140 police officers were also injured in the riot, some very seriously. Even Mitch McConell has said that Trump is responsible for the riot. Trump even told his mob that he was going to lead them to the Capitol to get justice. Of course Trump lied about that too. Trump's mob had every reason th think Trump wanted to have them "stop the steal." So what would have happened if Trump's mob had been able to physically confront people like Mike Pence, Pelosi, Schumer, Romney, AOC, etc...? Could the certification of the election have gone ahead if Pence and other politicians had been held hostage, injured, or killed? What would have happened if many politicians had been injured or killed? Martial law? How would Trump have reacted if politicians like Pence, Pelosi, Shumer, Romney, AOZ, and many other Democratic politicians had been incapacitated or killed? Reportedly he was enjoying the whole thing.

Mobo2000

The Greenwald article is excellent, and this section addresses the questions in post 608:

"That protesters were found before and after the riot with weapons does not mean they intended to use them as part of the protest. For better or worse, the U.S. is a country where firearm possession is common and legal. And what we know for certain is that there is no evidence of anyone brandishing a gun in that building. That fact makes a pretty large dent in the attempt to characterize this as an “armed insurrection” rather than a riot.

Indeed, the most dramatic claims spread by the media to raise fear levels as high as possible and depict this as a violent insurrection have turned out to be unfounded or were affirmatively disproven." ...

Over and over, no evidence has emerged for the most melodramatic media claims — torn out Panic Buttons and plots to kill Vice President Mike Pence or Mitt Romney. What we know for certain, as The Washington Post noted this week, is that “Despite warnings of violent plots around Inauguration Day, only a smattering of right-wing protesters appeared at the nation’s statehouses.” That does not sound like an ongoing insurrection, to put it mildly.

All this matters because it inherently matters if the media is recklessly circulating falsehoods about the most inflammatory and significant news stories. As was true for their series of Russiagate debacles, even if each “mistake” standing alone can be dismissed as relatively insignificant or understandable, when they pile up — always in the same narrative direction — people rightly conclude the propaganda is deliberate and trust in journalism erodes further.

But in this case, this matters for reasons far more significant than corporate media’s attempt to salvage the last vestiges of their credibility. Washington, D.C. remains indefinitely militarized. The establishment wings of both parties are still exploiting the emotions surrounding the Capitol breach to justify a new domestic War on Terror. The FBI is on the prowl for dissidents on the right and the left, and online censorship in the name of combatting domestic terrorism continues to rise.

One can — and should — condemn the January 6 riot without inflating the threat it posed."

NorthReport

Yea right!

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Trump's wonderful legacy:

One half a million Americans, the most of any country on the planet, have died from Covid because that thug and his mob choose to defy science.

kropotkin1951

Right NR its not the brutal US oligarchy, it is all the Orange Herring's fault. I suspect that for the media that you love to post/spam this site with the Orange Herring will remain the main cause of all of America's problems for the forcible future. That is when it is not Russia or China. In the meantime lets allow US billionaires to determine who gets to post on the internet because their algorithms can be trusted.

NorthReport
NorthReport

Even better. It never happened.

https://www.rawstory.com/neera-tandem-omb-2650707348/

Mobo2000 wrote:

The Greenwald article is excellent, and this section addresses the questions in post 608:

"That protesters were found before and after the riot with weapons does not mean they intended to use them as part of the protest. For better or worse, the U.S. is a country where firearm possession is common and legal. And what we know for certain is that there is no evidence of anyone brandishing a gun in that building. That fact makes a pretty large dent in the attempt to characterize this as an “armed insurrection” rather than a riot.

Indeed, the most dramatic claims spread by the media to raise fear levels as high as possible and depict this as a violent insurrection have turned out to be unfounded or were affirmatively disproven." ...

Over and over, no evidence has emerged for the most melodramatic media claims — torn out Panic Buttons and plots to kill Vice President Mike Pence or Mitt Romney. What we know for certain, as The Washington Post noted this week, is that “Despite warnings of violent plots around Inauguration Day, only a smattering of right-wing protesters appeared at the nation’s statehouses.” That does not sound like an ongoing insurrection, to put it mildly.

All this matters because it inherently matters if the media is recklessly circulating falsehoods about the most inflammatory and significant news stories. As was true for their series of Russiagate debacles, even if each “mistake” standing alone can be dismissed as relatively insignificant or understandable, when they pile up — always in the same narrative direction — people rightly conclude the propaganda is deliberate and trust in journalism erodes further.

But in this case, this matters for reasons far more significant than corporate media’s attempt to salvage the last vestiges of their credibility. Washington, D.C. remains indefinitely militarized. The establishment wings of both parties are still exploiting the emotions surrounding the Capitol breach to justify a new domestic War on Terror. The FBI is on the prowl for dissidents on the right and the left, and online censorship in the name of combatting domestic terrorism continues to rise.

One can — and should — condemn the January 6 riot without inflating the threat it posed."

NorthReport

Rush Limbaugh Was a Repulsive Demagogue

https://jacobinmag.com/2021/02/rush-limbaugh-obituary

NorthReport

Deadly Donald Trump and 40 Years of Health Failures

Since Reagan, the US has seen widening inequality and worse health outcomes. Here’s how to change that.

 

COVIDMedicWheelsDeceasedPatientHospitalBed.jpg

‘Some 180,000 Americans — disproportionately people of colour and low-income — died not from COVID-19 so much as from policy.’ Photo by Ninian Reid, Creative Commons licensed.

https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2021/02/23/Deadly-Donald-Trump-40-Years-Heal...

NorthReport

Public policy and health in the Trump era

 

 

  • Published:February 10, 2021

    This report by the Lancet Commission on Public Policy and Health in the Trump Era assesses the repercussions of President Donald Trump's health-related policies and examines the failures and social schisms that enabled his election. Trump exploited low and middle-income white people's anger over their deteriorating life prospects to mobilise racial animus and xenophobia and enlist their support for policies that benefit high-income people and corporations and threaten health. His signature legislative achievement, a trillion-dollar tax cut for corporations and high-income individuals, opened a budget hole that he used to justify cutting food subsidies and health care. His appeals to racism, nativism, and religious bigotry have emboldened white nationalists and vigilantes, and encouraged police violence and, at the end of his term in office, insurrection. He chose judges for US courts who are dismissive of affirmative action and reproductive, labour, civil, and voting rights; ordered the mass detention of immigrants in hazardous conditions; and promulgated regulations that reduce access to abortion and contraception in the USA and globally. Although his effort to repeal the Affordable Care Act failed, he weakened its coverage and increased the number of uninsured people by 2·3 million, even before the mass dislocation of the COVID-19 pandemic, and has accelerated the privatisation of government health programmes. Trump's hostility to environmental regulations has already worsened pollution—resulting in more than 22 000 extra deaths in 2019 alone—hastened global warming, and despoiled national monuments and lands sacred to Native people. Disdain for science and cuts to global health programmes and public health agencies have impeded the response to the COVID-19 pandemic, causing tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths, and imperil advances against HIV and other diseases. And Trump's bellicose trade, defence, and foreign policies have led to economic disruption and threaten an upswing in armed conflict.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)32545-9/fulltext

NorthReport
NorthReport

Like a mob boss he only wanted 2 things

https://www.rawstory.com/supreme-court-2650736839/

NorthReport

Biden needs to move forcefully and add as many SC justices as need be to offset the undemocratic antics of the US right wingers stacking the Courts, and their constant untdemocratic sick voter-suppression tactics

One would think that would be a given at a progressive discussion board like rabble but no we usually get the I hate the US crowd with their usual useless negative commentary

And when are the Democrats going to develop some backbone and start seriously fighting for the progressive voters that supported them!

https://www.rawstory.com/supreme-court-ticking-time-bomb/

NorthReport

This sounds familiar.

It seems kinda like the GOP has some posters here at rabble

GOP tries to gaslight Trump's coup away!

https://www.salon.com/2021/02/24/gop-is-still-gaslighting-about-the-capi...

NorthReport
JKR

Trump Organization Under Criminal Investigation in NY – Will Donald Trump’s Accountants Flip?; Yahoo News; February 26, 2021

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Last night on MSNBC, Bloomberg reporter Tim O’Brien speculated that the lead accountant on the Trump Organization’s taxes may turn state’s evidence. Allen Weisselberg is the chief financial officer of the Trump Organization, and his working papers were among the documents received by the New York District Attorney’s office on Monday.

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JKR

NDPP

America Uncanceled: CPAC 2021 - Donald Trump Speech: 2/28/2021

https://youtu.be/knIWglEeZJI

"We began our journey four years ago and it is far from over...I may even decide to beat them for a third time...In just one short month we have gone from America first to America last..."

NorthReport
NDPP

CrossTalk Bullhorns: Trumpism Forever?

https://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/516822-trumpism-washington-bombing-sy...

"Why Trumpism is not going away anytime soon."

JKR

Xenophobia, classism, racism and US exceptionalism have been a part of the U.S. for centuries so Trumpism is not going away any time soon.

NDPP

There were no calls for censorship against Democrats for their false claims about the 2016 election

https://consortiumnews.com/2021/03/01/there-were-no-calls-for-censorship...

"Democrats have pressured social media to take down posts that question the 2020 election, but no such pressure was exerted on Democrats who questioned the 2016 election, writes Joe Lauria..."

We noticed.

JKR

The Supreme Court finally rejected Sidney Powell's election conspiracy theory lawsuits 

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The Supreme Court on Monday formally rejected two of Sidney Powell's lawsuits seeking to overturn the results of the 2020 US election, brushing away any lingering ideas that Donald Trump would be declared the true winner.

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The rejections also extend the astounding loss streak from Trump and his allies challenging the election results. Out of more than 40 lawsuits filed, all of them ultimately failed.

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JKR

NDPP wrote:

There were no calls for censorship against Democrats for their false claims about the 2016 election

What false claims were those? The fact remains that Hillary received almost 3 million more votes than Donald. Trump received just 46.1% of the vote while Clinton received 48.2% of the vote.

josh

There were no similar claims.  But plenty of false equivalency by NDPP.  As usual.

kropotkin1951

josh wrote:

There were no similar claims.  But plenty of false equivalency by NDPP.  As usual.

Here is an article that shows that in 2016 some Democrats were claiming the election results were not valid. Of course they did not storm the Capital Building to make the same point as the Trump supporters in 2020 were making. Nobody said they should be banned from Twitter for their claims either.

Congress made the election of Donald Trump official Friday, certifying the votes of the Electoral College in a formal joint session of Congress.

Some Democratic House members attempted to object to some states Electoral College votes to protest the election results. But their objections went nowhere because they were unable to gain the support of a senator, per the rules.

Despite protests, the final vote tally was:

  • Donald Trump: 304 electoral votes
  • Hillary Clinton: 227
  • Colin Powell: 3
  • Ohio Gov. John Kasich: 1
  • Former Rep. Ron Paul of Texas: 1
  • Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders: 1
  • Faith of Spotted Eagle: 1

Democrats objected 11 times, citing a variety of issues, including “Russian interference,” “massive voter suppression” and the “violation of the Voting Rights Act.”

Vice President Joe Biden, who sat in the chair and presided over the 41 minute-long process in the House chamber, attempted to speed through the objections. After the third objection and the third time Biden asked if a senator had signed on, Biden said, “it is over.”

But a handful of Democratic House members continued to object during specific states and tried to continue their speeches even after Biden gaveled them down and said debate is not allowed. After the states were counted, three citizens in the audience gallery stood up to demonstrate.

At one point, Rep. Maxine Watters, D-Calif., stood and asked for a senator to join them. Only four Democratic senators attended the ceremony.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/despite-objections-congress-ce...

JKR

Is anyone going to argue that Republicans don't use voter suppression to rig elections to help them win elections? Voter suppression by Republicans in states like Wisconsin, Michigan, Florida, and Pennsylvania cost Hillary the 2016 election. 

kropotkin1951

JKR wrote:

Is anyone going to argue that Republicans don't use voter suppression to rig elections to help them win elections? Voter suppression by Republicans in states like Wisconsin, Michigan, Florida, and Pennsylvania cost Hillary the 2016 election. 

I wouldn't argue that US elections are fair and transparent. I also would not dismiss out right either of the duopolies claims about their opponents fixing specific elections.  When you look back at 2017 it is easy to see where the Trumpites got the idea to use the process of inauguration to try and deny the outcome of the election.

Arguing over who stole a rigged election, where only money interests win big, is satire of the highest order.

NDPP

I thought it was all Putin's fault. At least those were the baseless claims relentlessly trotted out by Democratic Party loyalists and their assorted mafias in the msm and intelligence apparatus. Until the cavalcade of lies became unsustainable and finally ran out of gas at the foot of a mountain of evidence to the contrary. Seems obvious to me the 2016 loss was entirely due to the manifest unpopularity of the chosen candidate. Hillary lost Hillary that election, just as Joe Biden (instead of Bernie Sanders) would have lost it again had it not been for janky Joe's election 'special sauce' nobody's supposed to mention.

josh

kropotkin1951 wrote:

josh wrote:

There were no similar claims.  But plenty of false equivalency by NDPP.  As usual.

Here is an article that shows that in 2016 some Democrats were claiming the election results were not valid. Of course they did not storm the Capital Building to make the same point as the Trump supporters in 2020 were making. Nobody said they should be banned from Twitter for their claims either.

Congress made the election of Donald Trump official Friday, certifying the votes of the Electoral College in a formal joint session of Congress.

Some Democratic House members attempted to object to some states Electoral College votes to protest the election results. But their objections went nowhere because they were unable to gain the support of a senator, per the rules.

Despite protests, the final vote tally was:

  • Donald Trump: 304 electoral votes
  • Hillary Clinton: 227
  • Colin Powell: 3
  • Ohio Gov. John Kasich: 1
  • Former Rep. Ron Paul of Texas: 1
  • Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders: 1
  • Faith of Spotted Eagle: 1

Democrats objected 11 times, citing a variety of issues, including “Russian interference,” “massive voter suppression” and the “violation of the Voting Rights Act.”

Vice President Joe Biden, who sat in the chair and presided over the 41 minute-long process in the House chamber, attempted to speed through the objections. After the third objection and the third time Biden asked if a senator had signed on, Biden said, “it is over.”

But a handful of Democratic House members continued to object during specific states and tried to continue their speeches even after Biden gaveled them down and said debate is not allowed. After the states were counted, three citizens in the audience gallery stood up to demonstrate.

At one point, Rep. Maxine Watters, D-Calif., stood and asked for a senator to join them. Only four Democratic senators attended the ceremony.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/despite-objections-congress-ce...

Did Democrats try to prevent state cerification of election results?  In and out of court.  Oh, and Clinton conceded the day after the election.  Trump, and many Republican elected officials, have yet to concede.

kropotkin1951

The Republicans took the same issues of vote rigging and election fraud through all the legal processes that are allowed under the Constitution. The Democrats on the other hand backed down from their losing cases. This proves what?

They are both corrupt anti-democratic parties of the oligarchs and they both believe they have the moral authority to run our globe. But you like your team because you think they are more Exceptional than the other team. I say a pox on your fake democracy and all the bullshit that is spewed by both of your mainstream parties.

NorthReport
JKR

kropotkin1951 wrote:

I wouldn't argue that US elections are fair and transparent. I also would not dismiss out right either of the duopolies claims about their opponents fixing specific elections.  When you look back at 2017 it is easy to see where the Trumpites got the idea to use the process of inauguration to try and deny the outcome of the election.

Arguing over who stole a rigged election, where only money interests win big, is satire of the highest order.

Trump has said that the only way he can lose an election is through fraud so as long as he runs the Republicans will be making false claims of fraud. Trump also claimed that the Democrats rigged the 2016 election as he really won the popular vote in 2016 and that huge amounts of fraud in the 2016 election cost him the right to say he won more votes than Clinton. He even set up a commission that was unable to find evidence of fraud. Trump is completely detached from reality when it suits his interests even if detaching from reality is dangerous for society as a whole.

If "arguing over who stole a rigged election, where only money interests win big, is satire of the highest order," why are you debating the issue?

kropotkin1951

JKR wrote:

If "arguing over who stole a rigged election, where only money interests win big, is satire of the highest order," why are you debating the issue?

Because it's fun. Why do you engage in discussion with others on the internet?

JKR

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Because it's fun. Why do you engage in discussion with others on the internet?

 

Happy; Song by Pharrell Williams

https://youtu.be/ZbZSe6N_BXs

Quote:

Because I'm happy
Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof
Because I'm happy
Clap along if you feel like happiness is the truth
Because I'm happy
Clap along if you know what happiness is to you
Because I'm happy
Clap along if you feel like that's what you wanna do (hey)

kropotkin1951

JKR wrote:

Trump has said that the only way he can lose an election is through fraud so as long as he runs the Republicans will be making false claims of fraud. Trump also claimed that the Democrats rigged the 2016 election as he really won the popular vote in 2016 and that huge amounts of fraud in the 2016 election cost him the right to say he won more votes than Clinton. He even set up a commission that was unable to find evidence of fraud. Trump is completely detached from reality when it suits his interests even if detaching from reality is dangerous for society as a whole.

I agree completely which is why it drives me crazy to hear the same people in the US who decry such blatant bullshit claim that Juan Guaido is the leader of Venezuela. He has less fucking legitimacy from elections than Trump does but Biden is willing to steal the sovereign wealth of that nation based on a complete detachment from reality and it is not theoretically dangerous to a society it is literally killing thousands of people as we speak.

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