Trump impeached for second time. What's next?

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josh

In the category of shocking but not surprising: CNN’s @jamiegangel reports that the WH is putting huge pressure on members, and that members are saying "they want to vote to impeach but they legitimately fear for their lives and their families’ lives."

https://twitter.com/AnaCabrera/status/1349390567202029569?s=20

NDPP

especially not surprising coming from CNN.

NorthReport

Actually it is coming from a GOP legislator from South Dakota who just confirmed it on the PBS impeachment proceedings live broadcast

It is ok to disagree but you need to stop lying

josh

NDPP wrote:

especially not surprising coming from CNN.

Must be a tough day for you.

josh

Impeached 232-197.  10 Republicans voting aye.

jerrym

There are now accusations that at least one Republican Congressman led Trump supporters on 'reconnaissance tours' of Congress on January 5th, the day before the attack on the Congress. There is a deleted video of right-wing activist Ali Alexander claiming he colluded with congressmen and that he planning on something big on January 6th. The Washington Post notes ties between three Congressmen and Alexander, a convicted felon. 

Representatives Andy Biggs (R., Ariz.), Mo Brooks (R., Ala.), and Paul Gosar (R., Ariz.) are denying any involvement in organizing last week’s rioting at the U.S. Capitol after a protest organizer claimed he “schemed” with them to put “maximum pressure on Congress while they were voting.”

Right-wing activist Ali Alexander’s claim that he had colluded with the congressmen came in a since-deleted video on Periscope unearthed by the Project on Government Oversight.

He said weeks before the storming of the Capitol that he was planning something big for January 6, the date Congress met to tally the electoral votes and affirm President-elect Joe Biden’s win.

Alexander planned to “change the hearts and the minds of Republicans who were in that body, hearing our loud roar from outside,” he said. 

Meanwhile, Representative Mikie Sherrill (D., N.J.) on Tuesday claimed she saw members of Congress leading people through the U.S. Capitol on “reconnaissance” tours one day before supporters of President Trump stormed the building, though she did not name the members or explain how she knew she was witnessing a so-called reconnaissance tour.

“We can’t have a democracy if members of Congress are actively helping the president overturn the elections results,” she said. “Not only do I intend to see that the president is removed and never runs for office again and doesn’t have access to classified material, I also intend to see that those members of Congress who abetted him; those members of Congress who had groups coming through the Capitol that I saw on Jan. 5 – a reconnaissance for the next day; those members of Congress that incited this violent crowd; those members of Congress that attempted to help our president undermine our democracy; I’m going to see they are held accountable, and if necessary, ensure that they don’t serve in Congress.” ...

A spokesman for Biggs told the Washington Post that the congressman had never been in touch with Alexander or other protestors and denied involvement in organizing a rally on January 6. ...

However, the Washington Post notes that videos and posts on social media suggest ties between Alexander, who is a felon, and all three congressmen.

Gosar called Alexander “a true patriot” on Twitter and the pair both spoke at a “Stop the Steal” rally in Phoenix last month. ...

At the same event, Alexander played a video message from Biggs, who called him a “friend” and “hero.” “When it comes to January 6, I will be right down there in the well of the House with my friend from Alabama representative Mo Brooks,” Biggs said in the recording. 

A spokesperson for Biggs told CNN that the congressman recorded the video at the request of Gosar’s staff. ...

In a video posted shortly after the Capitol riots on January 6, while Alexander claimed the majority of protestors were peaceful and commended those who did not enter the building, he added, “I don’t disavow this. I do not denounce this.”

In a video posted shortly after the Capitol riots on January 6, while Alexander claimed the majority of protestors were peaceful and commended those who did not enter the building, he added, “I don’t disavow this. I do not denounce this.”

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/gop-reps-deny-giving-reconnaissance-...

jerrym

Republican Congressman Mo Brooks helped incite the attack on Congress at Trump's incitement rally and many other Congressmen helped push for the use of physical force.

Standing before a crowd of thousands of MAGA-clad protesters on the National Mall on Wednesday, Representative Mo Brooks roared ... Today is the day American patriots start taking down names and kicking ass. Are you willing to do what it takes to fight for America? Louder! Will you fight for America?”

Hours later, urged on by President Trump at the same rally, rioters stormed the Capitol, where Congress was meeting to formalize Mr. Biden’s election, chanting “Hang Mike Pence,” threatening to shoot Speaker Nancy Pelosi and forcing lawmakers to evacuate the building in a scene of violence and mayhem. Afterward, police officers recovered long guns, Molotov cocktails, explosive devices and zip ties. At least five people, including a Capitol Police officer, died during the protests and the siege and in the immediate aftermath. ...

A handful of Mr. Trump’s most loyal allies in the House had gone even further in the days and weeks before the riot, urging their supporters to come to Washington on Jan. 6 to make a defiant last stand to keep him in power. They linked arms with the organizers of the protest and used inflammatory, bellicose language to describe the stakes. ...

Representatives Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia and Lauren Boebert of Colorado, first-term lawmakers who ran as outspoken defenders of Mr. Trump, referred to the day as Republicans’ “1776 moment.”

Representative Paul Gosar of Arizona, who for weeks promoted the Jan. 6 protest and other “Stop the Steal” events across the country more than a dozen times, repeatedly referred to Mr. Biden as an “illegitimate usurper” and suggested that Mr. Trump was the victim of an attempted “coup. Be ready to defend the Constitution and the White House,” Mr. Gosar wrote in an op-ed titled “Are We Witnessing a Coup d’État?

As rioters laid siege to the Capitol, Mr. Gosar posted a message of calm on Twitter, telling his followers, “Let’s not get carried away here.” But he wrote a far more sympathetic message on Parler, using the same photo of people scaling the walls of the building: “Americans are upset.”

Their comments have raised questions about the degree to which Republicans may have coordinated with protest organizers.

In a since-deleted tweet, Representative Pete Sessions, Republican of Texas, wrote that he “had a great meeting today with the folks from Stop The Steal,” one of the leading groups that organized last week’s rally.

And in a separate video, Ali Alexander, a far-right activist and conspiracy theorist who emerged as a leader of Stop the Steal, claimed that he, along with Mr. Brooks, Mr. Gosar and Representative Andy Biggs of Arizona, had set the Jan. 6 event in motion. “We four schemed up of putting maximum pressure on Congress while they were voting,” Mr. Alexander said in a since-deleted video, “so that who we couldn’t rally, we could change the hearts and the minds of Republicans who were in that body, hearing our loud roar from outside.”

A spokesman for Mr. Biggs denied in a statement on Monday that the lawmaker had had any role in organizing the rally. ...

Mr. Gosar appeared to be on friendly terms with Mr. Alexander, frequently tagging him in Twitter posts. At a rally late last month outside the Arizona State Capitol at which Mr. Gosar spoke, Mr. Alexander called the congressman “the spirit animal of this movement. He’s helped out where he could,” Mr. Alexander said. “He’s offered to call donors. We actually had our first D.C. march because he called me and he said, ‘You need to go to the Supreme Court.’ I said, ‘All right, my captain.’ And that’s what started that.”  ...

For his part, Mr. Brooks has remained unapologetic about his role in encouraging the rioters. “I make no apology for doing my absolute best to inspire patriotic Americans to not give up on our country and to fight back against anti-Christian socialists in the 2022 and 2024 elections,” Mr. Brooks told a local newspaper. “I encourage EVERY citizen to watch my entire rally speech and decide for themselves what kind of America they want: One based on freedom and liberty or one based on godless dictatorial power.” ...

For weeks before the rally, mimicking Mr. Trump’s tone, Republican operatives and lawmakers had used inflammatory language to describe the president’s effort to overturn Mr. Biden’s victory.

At a Turning Point USA event in December, Representative Madison Cawthorn of North Carolina encouraged attendees to “call your congressman and feel free — you can lightly threaten them. Say: ‘If you don’t support election integrity, I’m coming after you. Madison Cawthorn’s coming after you. Everybody’s coming after you,’” Mr. Cawthorn said.

Some of Mr. Trump’s closest allies in Congress, including Mr. Brooks, Mr. Gosar, Mr. Biggs and Ms. Greene, met with him at the White House in December to discuss their drive to overturn the election results. Lawmakers present described the meeting as a fairly dry one, centered on how the process would play out on the House and Senate floors. But Mr. Gosar cast the meeting to his followers as a call to action, pledging not to “accept disenfranchisement” of those who voted for Mr. Trump.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/11/us/politics/republicans-capitol-riot....

NDPP

josh]</p> <p>[quote=NDPP wrote:

especially not surprising coming from CNN.

Must be a tough day for you.

[quote=NDPP]

Not at all. Anything the US duopoly Dems do to open a wound that never heals is fine by me. Let's see if the Repug Senate is willing to commit seppuku also. Whenever the babble board goes all in on something you just know it won't turn out well in the end.

PS  'Baseless lies'? More unravellings to come.

Veritas Investigation into Voter Fraud Leads to Arrest

https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/status/1349416989568196609

"AG Paxton: San Antonio election harvester arrested for widespread voter harvesting and fraud."

josh

LOL.  Your right-wing friend was last seen trying to smear Ilhan Omar.

Pennsylvania Man Charged With Voter Fraud For Casting Ballot For Trump Under Dead Mother’s Name

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2020/12/21/pennsylvania-man-charged-with-voter-fraud-for-casting-ballot-for-trump-under-dead-mothers-name/?sh=4e33e89c59bf

Police in Iowa have charged a 55-year-old woman with election misconduct after she reportedly voted twice for Donald Trump.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2016/10/29/trump-supporter-charged-in-voter-fraud-case

josh

Schumer: “But make no mistake, there will be an impeachment trial in the United States Senate; there will be a vote on convicting the president for high crimes and misdemeanors; and if the president is convicted, there will be a vote on barring him from running again.”

https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1349479382298079233?s=20

 

melovesproles

Michael Moriarity wrote:

I would say that Cheney's position on impeachment is a result of factional conflict in the Republican party. She represents the traditional party establishment, namely the military/industrial/security/media complex. They've had their control of the party rudely torn away by Trump, and they want it back. She is part of that counter attack.

Yeah I think that's about right. I always wonder how much of a role personal animosity plays, but I think it makes more sense this is a power struggle. The fact that people on the left are singing the praises of a Cheney makes me think it's not impossible Trump gets the same rehabilitation treatment in 20 years when the Republicans vomit up something even more vile.

JKR

After receiving death threats, Republicans say they’re afraid to vote to impeach; Vox; January 13, 2021

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There is a disturbing reason Republicans in Congress are giving for refusing to break with President Donald Trump: They fear for their lives. 

According to Rep. Jason Crow (D-CO), this is a major reason why more House Republicans aren’t voting to impeach Donald Trump in the wake of the attack on the Capitol.

“The majority of them are paralyzed with fear,” Crow said in a Wednesday MSNBC appearance. “I had a lot of conversations with my Republican colleagues last night, and a couple of them broke down in tears — saying that they are afraid for their lives if they vote for this impeachment.”

jerrym

Siblings of Congressman Paul Gosar want him removed from Congress because of his extremist views and actions. If their actions are tied to aiding the insurgent invaders of Congress I agree. 

Three out of Republican Representative Paul Gosar's nine siblings are calling for him to be expelled from the House of Representatives

The siblings have reached out to Mr Gosar's fellow Arizona Representative, Democrat Raúl Grijalva, in an attempt to get their brother removed from Congress after the fatal Capitol riots, which they argue Mr Gosar helped encourage. Mr Gosar said he was focusing on keeping President Trumpaccountable.

For the third time in as many years, members of Mr Gosar's family are trying to end his career in politics. Mr Gosar's sister Jennifer Gosar told The Arizona Republic: "We know him to be an extremist and we took that very seriously ... I believe that my brother has been a constant perpetrator of misinformation ... I've been incredulous at the lack of accountability thus far. I would think Wednesday would be certainly a line."

Mr Gosar's brother Tim Gosar said: "He's set a dangerous sort of precedent along the 10 years he's been in office ... When you talk about what happened the other day, you're talking about treason. You're talking about overthrowing the government. That's what this is. If that doesn't rise to the level of expulsion, what does?"

Riding on the waves of the conservative Tea Party movement, Mr Gosar entered the House in 2010. The former dentist represents one of the most conservative districts in Arizona, which covers a large section of the western part of the state. 

One of Mr Gosar's other siblings, David Gosar, said that he "has parroted the exact same lies that Trump has" when it comes to the election.

"Five people are dead and Congress has been attacked. Somebody has to pay a penalty for it," he said.

Mr Grijalva said some members of Congress "threw gasoline on an already-raging fire".

"If a member of congress willingly violated their oath of office and tacitly encouraged a mob to overturn the results of democratic elections, their actions should be investigated and they should face consequences. If that includes expulsion, so be it," Mr Grijalva said.

Mr Gosar proceeded with his objections to the results after the storming of the Capitol and baselessly blamed the violence on "Antifa".

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/paul-gosar...

 

 

melovesproles

George W. Bush Amnesia - The Jacobin Show

Vidal Gore called it. US politics couldn't function without amnesia. It is incredible watching Liberals use their Trump obsession to rehabilitate Bush and Cheney. Truly astounding.

 

Paladin1

Oh looks like I may have judged things wrong. Maybe Trump will be impeached after all.

NDPP

'When 20,000 troops are needed to protect politicians from the public, the problem is the politicians'

https://twitter.com/27khv/status/1349796028434821133

"If 20,000 troops were deployed in Moscow to defend the Kremlin from the public, you could only imagine how the US/UK media would cover it..."

 

"Sure, we'll have fascism in the United States. But we'll have it under the guise of anti-fascism." Huey Long

JKR

It looks like a fascist, swims like a fascist, and quacks like a fascist.

NorthReport

If some Republican Senators abstain from voting in the upcoming impeachment trial, it would reduce the number of ayes required to convict. What will Bannon tell Trump to do?

Trump's coup was foiled by key Republicans — but their ranks are shrinking

Trump’s campaign of denial was abetted by his fellow Republicans. What will they do next?

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/trump-s-coup-was-foiled-key-republicans-th...

NDPP

Swamp mad rush to prevent Trump 2024 presidential run

https://youtu.be/LmmijOn5XF8

Pressing ahead with an unfounded, ill-judged impeachment strategy that is largely incoherent and will inflict great political costs and damages to both Democrats and Republicans.

NorthReport
JKR

NDPP wrote:

Swamp mad rush to prevent Trump 2024 presidential run

NDPP, at least Trump can rest assured that he has your loyal support for his 2024 campaign. You can lead the 2024 Make America Great Again for Orange Fascists Campaign!

josh

NDPP wrote:

Swamp mad rush to prevent Trump 2024 presidential run

https://youtu.be/LmmijOn5XF8

Pressing ahead with an unfounded, ill-judged impeachment strategy that is largely incoherent and will inflict great political costs and damages to both Democrats and Republicans.

The Russians are desperate to save their asset.

  • Overall, we rate The Duran a Questionable source based on far-right-wing bias, promotion of Russian propaganda, and right-wing conspiracies, a lack of transparency, use of poor sources plagiarism and, failed fact checks.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-duran/

 

NorthReport

Talk about challenges ahead for Biden and the Democrats

America after Trump

https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2021/01/14/America-After-Trump/

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Down, down he goes. How far he drops nobody knows!

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/01/15/donald-trump-lea...

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Well said!

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/jan/12/neil-young-calls-for-empat...

josh

It looks like the My Pillow guy was urging the president to use the "Insurrection Act now as a result of the attack" and then "martial law if necessary."

https://twitter.com/MattGertz/status/1350195958265557000?s=20

 

josh

In a last-ditch attempt to defend the outgoing U.S. President Donald J. Trump, Russian-speaking participants in the recent mob at the Capitol flooded the airwaves of the Kremlin-controlled Russian state television. They claimed that the pro-Trump insurrectionists were merely “peaceful demonstrators” and blamed “antifa” for the violence that took place in Washington, DC on January 6, 2021.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/russian-media-pushes-the-lie-that-capitol-rioters-were-antifa?ref=home

 

NDPP

LOL. Yanqui Josh saddles up his favourite hobbyhorse. It's all Russia's fault!

'Kremlin-Controlled Russian Media RT

https://youtu.be/0X7tcYAimpo

'D'oh!'

kropotkin1951

How pathetic can a body politic be when people are afraid that no one will be able to beat an 80 year old con man in 2024. Is there no Republican nor Democrat that could beat him even though he lost this time. Bizarre political spectacle by the worlds leading evil empire. Its clear that the imperial machine continues on with its day to day subjugation of the world no matter what side show gets played out in Washington, a city that is one of the most dangerous in the world, without a riot going on.

 

NorthReport
NorthReport

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NorthReport

Parler is back online with a different host.

josh

A new video released by The New Yorker shows rioters storming the U.S. Capitol, clashing with police, and rummaging through the Senate floor.

https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1350917714404110340?s=20

 

NorthReport
JKR
NorthReport

As the details continue to tricle out.........

Mick Mulvaney's niece listed on the permit for Trump rally that became Capitol insurrection

One piece of the report outed Maggie Mulvaney, niece to top Trump's old aide Mick Mulvaney, as the VIP Lead on the permit that Women for America First requested for the Trump rally. 

According to the AP, the younger Mulvaney "worked as director of finance operations for the Trump campaign, according to her LinkedIn profile. FEC records show Maggie Mulvaney was earning $5,000 every two weeks from Trump's reelection campaign, with the most recent payment reported on November 13."

The insurrection on the capitol led to the resignation by Mick Mulvaney, who had moved from being Trump's chief of staff to United States Special Envoy for Northern Ireland after March 2020. He confessed to CNBC that he wanted to resign because his reputation would likely take a hit for the rest of history, prompting people to say "'Oh yeah, you work for the guy who tried to overtake the government.'"

In Feb. 2019, Trump's IRS granted tax-exempt status to Women for America First labeling it as a "social welfare organization."

https://www.rawstory.com/mick-mulvaneys-niece-listed-insurrection/

NorthReport

Good on the rioters to leave a trail which I presume will be used as evidence against Trump and his followers in any upcoming trials.

JKR wrote:

ITN has a video of Trump's mob trying to overturn the elelection at the Capitol 

https://www.itv.com/news/2021-01-06/donald-trump-fires-up-protesters-in-washington-as-congress-prepare-to-confirm-biden-victory

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Lots of right-wingers jumping on the bandwagon now, but where were they since 2016 leading up to what was going on?

A slew of Texas newspapers are calling for Ted Cruz to resign after the attack on the 2020 election

https://www.rawstory.com/newspapers-tell-ted-cruz-resign/

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NorthReport

A lot of these people should be resigning or legally removed from office.

Pennsylvania GOP lawmakers fostered false election allegations that fueled Capitol riot

Rioters who supported Trump cited false allegations about election issues in Pennsylvania — shared by some of the state’s own Republican lawmakers — as a reason to “storm the Capitol.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/pennsylvania-gop-lawmaker...

NorthReport
NorthReport

The most dangerous crime is the inequality so its good to see Bernie Sanders involved with the President-Elect

Most dangerous crime ever

https://globalnews.ca/news/7581967/democrats-build-trump-impeachment-cas...

NorthReport
josh

If at first you don't secede, try, try again.

NorthReport
NDPP

Trump News: 01/18/21

https://youtu.be/hene2NwDWoE

Constitutional lawyer (and zionist) Alan Dershowitz: 'Trump Impeachment Unconstitutional':

"Once he becomes 'Citizen Trump', the Senate has no power to try a private citizen. They can only try someone they have the power to remove from office. Once he's 'removed' by the end of his term, that's the end of it. There's no jurisdiction to have a trial..."

Like the 'Green Zone's 25k troops' security theatre, Trump's impeachment trial will likely turn out to be merely Dem theatrics. Which is why we're now hearing about 'postponing' it. Ain't gonna happen especially since the US public would then see and hear convincing proof of  the Dems' Election 2020 steal, which the 'inciting insurrection' nonsense is desperately designed to distract from.

NorthReport

But Dershowitz won't be defending him. Who knew!

JKR

NDPP wrote:

"Once he becomes 'Citizen Trump', the Senate has no power to try a private citizen. They can only try someone they have the power to remove from office. Once he's 'removed' by the end of his term, that's the end of it. There's no jurisdiction to have a trial..."

Like the 'Green Zone's 25k troops' security theatre, Trump's impeachment trial will likely turn out to be merely Dem theatrics. Which is why we're now hearing about 'postponing' it. Ain't gonna happen especially since the US public would then see and hear convincing proof of  the Dems' Election 2020 steal, which the 'inciting insurrection' nonsense is desperately designed to distract from.

NDPP, when the Senate impeachment trial happens will you admit that you were spreading even more dangerous QAnon b.s.?

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

Here's a pretty solid refutation of Dershowitz's contention. It gives historical precedent from the time of the drafting of the constitution, as well as later in U.S. history. It is ever more clear that NDPP has become an unapologetic purveyor of right wing lies on any subject relating to U.S. politics. Shame on him.

NDPP

I could as easily pronounce your offering as a lie. It's not a lie it is a credible and logical constitutional argument made by an authority on the topic, likely to be employed in this historical event. I know your incoming American Democrat heroes are well underway marshalling all necessary resources to silence and suppress any and all dissenting views, but it is regrettable you apparently wish to join them in these efforts.

JKR

NDPP, all views are not equal as views based on evidence are superior to white supremacist conspiracy theories that are not backed by evidence. Your QAnon based posts are turning out to be b.s. A few weeks ago you were bullshitting us with posts saying that Trump would be proven right by the courts, or if not, Congress, and he would be the one inaugurated again this week. All of your b.s. has been proven wrong. Will you now admit that all of that was b.s.?

JKR

DP

NorthReport

We need a socialist reset, not a corporate "great reset".

https://jacobinmag.com/2020/12/slavoj-zizek-socialism-great-reset

NorthReport

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