Trump impeached for second time - what's next?

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Florida man's arrest on 2016 election charges suggests Russia probe may have survived Bill Barr

Indictment of a Roger Stone-connected operative may signal that Robert Mueller's spinoffs are still bearing fruit

https://www.salon.com/2021/01/29/florida-mans-arrest-on-2016-election-ch...

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Thank you Bill.

Tracing the toxic roots of the Capitol attack

Bill Blaikie

https://rabble.ca/columnists/2021/01/tracing-toxic-roots-capitol-attack

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To See the Danger of a Domestic “War on Terror,” Look No Further Than This Florida Case

BY

BRANKO MARCETIC

Convinced his state capitol was set to be attacked by violent, far-right extremists, a Florida man called for armed resistance on social media and was promptly jailed. The episode is a case study of how easily a domestic "war on terror" will be turned on the Left.

https://jacobinmag.com/2021/01/daniel-baker-florida-case-fbi-capitol

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A view from the right...

Kunstler: The Man who Isn't There

https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/the-man-who-isnt-there/

"One might ask: why is it so easy to put over narratives on at least half the people in this country? Here's the answer: because we are living in a time when nothing adds up and there are no consequences - but especially no consequences for the folks in charge of things that don't add up.

For instance, the January 6 riot at the US Capitol building. The Deep State axis of interests - politicians, permanent bureaucrats, Beltway contractors, K-Street influencers, shady international NGOs, and most of the news media - needed something that would overule objections to certify the election. They got what they needed in just the right place for it to happen, the very house of Congress.

The objection procedure was neatly sabotaged. The riot launched Donald Trump back into civilian life under a cloud of odium labeled an 'insurrectionist' It enabled the Democrats to paint their opponents as 'domestic terrorists' and manufacture a narrative that America was under attack by 'white supremacists'. Troops occupying the center of Washington since Joe Biden's inauguration are there to reinforce the story that the government is 'under siege'. The tech companies de-platform anyone who writes about or speaks of 'election fraud'. Next, the new regime cooks up legislation to intensify surveillance of US citizens. Worked out perfectly for the Party of Orwell..."

 

Trump supporter in PA just posted this: Stopped by TSA over 'facial recognition match'

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1355249353359843337

"...Only on my way home did I realize the reality of what had just happened. I had been flagged by my government as a potential domestic terrorist simply because I attended a rally in support of the President and if the officer hadn't been a nice man - they literally could have held me indefinitely and there would have been nothing I could have done. I am putting this out there because I am wondering if this has happened to anyone else and if so how they got off this 'list' and most importantly I am asking have we ever been the land of the free or has it all been an illusion..?"

 

LAA's Braynard calls for dropping charges against non-violent capitol protesters

https://twitter.com/MattBraynard/status/1355207869986181121

"Today I sent a letter to DOJ/FBI requesting that they drop all charges against non-violent January 6th Capitol protesters. I support the prosecution of anyone who was violent. The letter is attached. I also encourage you to watch and share the video."

 

The Navarro Report: Six Key Dimensions of Election Irregularities

https://navarroreport.com

JKR

NDPP, do you believe in all of Trump's conspiracy theories?

List of conspiracy theories promoted by Donald Trump; Wikipedia 

NorthReport

Go big or go home.

'Fresh evidence' of Trump inciting insurrection to be presented at Senate impeachment trial

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-insurrection-impeachment/

NDPP

"...For the first time, the House sent an article of impeachment to the Senate without any hearing, any testimony, any response from the president - not a word. It simply sent a poorly crafted article, like a conclusion in search of proof.

It is not about what Trump did but what the House failed to do by sending a bare article to the Senate, like some haiku version of impeachment. The Senate is being asked to carry the burden for both chambers. Those prudential concerns will be magnified for institutionalists."

https://twitter.com/JonathanTurley/status/1354446607656345601

The esteemed law professor takes the Dems Trumpeachment's procedural outlandishness much too seriously. It is designed first and foremost as a show trial - to bury those still lingering 'baseless' claims (and evidence) of  orchestrated election 'irregularities', destroy the Trump brand/MAGA movement and attempt to shift a still substantial anti Democrat voter base, back into a renewed centrist Dem/Repug 'big tent' duopoly. It will likely fail at all of these objectives, then double down and continue to recklessly bluff with a hand containing little political capital or credibility to the millions of Americans who are in dire straits indeed and in no mood to be merely baffled with more political bullshit theatrics while their money runs out and their children go hungry.

NorthReport

What are the Trump QAnon GOP and other conspiracy nuts going to do when faced with such overwhelming evidence of guilt at the upcoming Senate impeachment trial?

11 days and counting

Science is real, eh!

NorthReport

Trump's Patriot Party is the GOP's Last Best Hope

https://www.thedailybeast.com/why-trumps-patriot-party-is-the-gops-last-...

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The Anatomy of Autocracy: Timothy Snyder; NPR; January 21, 2021

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The Big Lie 

Yeah. I mean, I got to say three things - the big lie, what Trump said, the big lie as a structure and then the big lie in U.S. history. The big lie that Mr. Trump uttered or utters over and over again is that he won the presidential election. Now, the reason why that's a big lie is that it's manifestly not true. A big lie structurally is a lie, a falsehood which is so grand that once - that if you believe in it, then you have to disbelieve everyone else. You have to start to think of the of the actual real world around you as a conspiracy which is denying your own true belief, the thing that you actually think is true. Now, a big lie often points to an enemy, as this one does. And this is how we get into American history. This is the third part of what I want to say about this.

What Mr. Trump is saying when he says fraud - is he saying Black people? And that's where we get into U.S. history. Now, Mr. Trump says, I lost in the cities. I lost in Philadelphia. I lost in Detroit. What he's really saying is that's the fault of Black people. Black people shouldn't vote. When he says he's the legitimate president, he won in a landslide - that's only true if you're only counting white people. And that's how this connects to U.S. history because all of U.S. history - I mean, since 1877, anyway - is this fight about who actually gets to vote and who actually is represented. Is it only white people or is it all American citizens?

NorthReport

This is the kind of thing that Trump and his lunatic entourage must be stressing about. Eventually the whole sorry saga will come flowing out for all to see. I the meantime read a new book entitled American Kompromat

https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-carter-page-russia-b53360172f2fc...

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Million dollar GOP fund-raiser is out

https://www.rawstory.com/largest-gop-donors/

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josh

NDPP wrote:

"...For the first time, the House sent an article of impeachment to the Senate without any hearing, any testimony, any response from the president - not a word. It simply sent a poorly crafted article, like a conclusion in search of proof.

It is not about what Trump did but what the House failed to do by sending a bare article to the Senate, like some haiku version of impeachment. The Senate is being asked to carry the burden for both chambers. Those prudential concerns will be magnified for institutionalists."

https://twitter.com/JonathanTurley/status/1354446607656345601

The esteemed law professor takes the Dems Trumpeachment's procedural outlandishness much too seriously. It is designed first and foremost as a show trial - to bury those still lingering 'baseless' claims (and evidence) of  orchestrated election 'irregularities', destroy the Trump brand/MAGA movement and attempt to shift a still substantial anti Democrat voter base, back into a renewed centrist Dem/Repug 'big tent' duopoly. It will likely fail at all of these objectives, then double down and continue to recklessly bluff with a hand containing little political capital or credibility to the millions of Americans who are in dire straits indeed and in no mood to be merely baffled with more political bullshit theatrics while their money runs out and their children go hungry.

I see NDPP has taken to using the Republican perjorative "Democrat party."  Has gone full Republican/Trumper.  Maybe it's what's being called the red/brown alliance.  Or is it a duopoly?

As the "esteemed" Professor Turley should know, the House indicts, the Senate tries.  That is where evidence is presented and challenged.

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kropotkin1951

josh wrote:

I see NDPP has taken to using the Republican perjorative "Democrat party."  Has gone full Republican/Trumper. 

Only someone sucked in by imperial propaganda would think that dissing the Democrats is proof of being a Trump supporter. You sir are a mindless dupe who comes here to preach US exceptionalism and dampen independent discourse on the evil empire. Of course I will have to admit that your political analysis is of the same caliber as some of our Canadian posters, especially North Report. You and he are proof that good people can be completely deluded by our oligarchy's propaganda machine.

josh

Speaking of mindless . . . .

kropotkin1951

josh wrote:

Speaking of mindless . . . .

If you stop personally attacking left wing posters on this board because they do not follow your American view of the world I will start thinking you have a brain and are interested in debating international politics. In the meantime stop your whining for getting some of what you give out back or you could just stop your constant harassment of one of our posters. You do not get to decide whose views are allowed on this platform.

josh

I haven't attacked ant left-wing posters.  I've only attacked those posting right-wing lies and propaganda.  If you're going to post pro-Trump garbage on a left-wing site, you should expect to be challenged and opposed.

NorthReport

Donald Trump ‘Fifth Avenue’ Comment

Donald Trump controversially observed that he could shoot an individual on a widely trafficked New York City street and not "lose one voter."

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/donald-trump-fifth-avenue-comment/

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NRA laid the groundwork for deadly Capitol riot for years, say gun control advocates

Militia groups, QAnon, Capitol rioters and anti-lockdown protesters are all linked by toxic NRA ideology

https://www.salon.com/2021/01/30/nra-laid-the-groundwork-for-deadly-capi...

kropotkin1951

josh wrote:

I haven't attacked ant left-wing posters.  I've only attacked those posting right-wing lies and propaganda.  If you're going to post pro-Trump garbage on a left-wing site, you should expect to be challenged and opposed.

If you attacked the actual pieces that would be great. However you insist that there is a master list (that you have access to) of sites that may and may not be quoted from. If a site is on your list which includes any site that is neutral on Russia, China, Venezuela and other US enemies you dismiss the article, likely without reading it, and then call the poster right wing for posting anti-American opinions.

You should try reading all sides of the debate it would broaden your perspective and you might come to understand why the majority of the people in the world think the biggest threat to peace and security is the US of A. The Democrats are the establishment party of the ruling oligarchy and it is that ruling oligarchy that is the evil incarnate that people all over the planet fear.

josh

kropotkin1951 wrote:

josh wrote:

I haven't attacked ant left-wing posters.  I've only attacked those posting right-wing lies and propaganda.  If you're going to post pro-Trump garbage on a left-wing site, you should expect to be challenged and opposed.

If you attacked the actual pieces that would be great. However you insist that there is a master list (that you have access to) of sites that may and may not be quoted from. If a site is on your list which includes any site that is neutral on Russia, China, Venezuela and other US enemies you dismiss the article, likely without reading it, and then call the poster right wing for posting anti-American opinions.

You should try reading all sides of the debate it would broaden your perspective and you might come to understand why the majority of the people in the world think the biggest threat to peace and security is the US of A. The Democrats are the establishment party of the ruling oligarchy and it is that ruling oligarchy that is the evil incarnate that people all over the planet fear.

Pretty funny since I've been opposed to U.S. policy in Latin America and the Middle East, including Israel, for all the time I've been here.  I just don't use it as an excuse to let anti-democrats and human rights violators off the hook.  Nor do I use it as an excuse to soft pedal the danger posed by Trump and Trumpism.  Especially to the U.S. itself.  I guess it's a lot easier to minimize it when you don't have to live with it.

JKR

kropotkin1951 wrote:

The Democrats are the establishment party of the ruling oligarchy and it is that ruling oligarchy that is the evil incarnate that people all over the planet fear.

The Democrats are also the major political party of left of centrists in the U.S. This is why people like Chomsky have said that Democrats are generally much more preferable than Republicans. Historically the Republicans have also been "a party of the establishment" in the U.S. but with their move rightward toward authoritarianism and outright fascism, the Republicans are now being shunned by large segments of the establishment and by large segments of the public who feel that a move toward authoritarianism and outright fascism will only make things much worse for the U.S. and the world. I think the best way forward is for the left to maintain as much solidarity as possible. In the U.S., amongst other things. I think that means supporting Democrats like Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, AOC, and other members of "the squad" and many other Democrats who are left of centre. I can see no reason to support the Republicans who now oppose any pretence of being democratic and who are now advocating for authoritarianism. 

NorthReport

Bye, bye Donald.

Bye, bye again Donald.

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-impeachment-lawyers/

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What mess. Ex-prosecuter explains why Trump's impeachment team quit

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-impeachment-2650217947/

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Thanks, Trump — Republicans' victim mentality intensifies, despite reality

https://thehill.com/opinion/technology/536652-thanks-trump-republicans-v...

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It really is incredible how Fox News foiled Trump's plan to declare victory on election nite.

Fox News 'cancel culture' segment goes off the rails when conservative says network 'lied' about election

Conservative pundit Jonah Goldberg threw a wrench into the works at Fox News on Sunday after he accused network hosts of lying about the legitimacy of the 2020 presidential election.

https://www.rawstory.com/cancel-culture-fox-news/

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This second impeachment trial will be quite a show but regardless, it looks like the Republicans are now stuck with Trump forever.  

Mitch McConnell ridiculed on MSNBC for pulling a disappearing act as all hell breaks loose for the GOP

https://www.rawstory.com/mcconnell/

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There are just too many coincidences, too many clues.

Putin's POTUS

https://narativ.org/2021/01/31/putins-potus/

kropotkin1951

JKR wrote:

kropotkin1951 wrote:

The Democrats are the establishment party of the ruling oligarchy and it is that ruling oligarchy that is the evil incarnate that people all over the planet fear.

The Democrats are also the major political party of left of centrists in the U.S. This is why people like Chomsky have said that Democrats are generally much more preferable than Republicans. Historically the Republicans have also been "a party of the establishment" in the U.S. but with their move rightward toward authoritarianism and outright fascism, the Republicans are now being shunned by large segments of the establishment and by large segments of the public who feel that a move toward authoritarianism and outright fascism will only make things much worse for the U.S. and the world. I think the best way forward is for the left to maintain as much solidarity as possible. In the U.S., amongst other things. I think that means supporting Democrats like Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, AOC, and other members of "the squad" and many other Democrats who are left of centre. I can see no reason to support the Republicans who now oppose any pretence of being democratic and who are now advocating for authoritarianism. 

I understand US politics but thanks for the explanation. Who the fuck would propose supporting Republicans? Neither I nor NDPP would ever support Republicans but I come here to discuss politics not to read a regurgitation of the "liberal" press in the US. The Democrats are the Liberals on steroids with even closer and deeper ties to the ruling oligarchy because the anti-democratic system allows open corruption by buying influence. Hell you don't even have to spend the campaign funds you raise from billionaires on the election. If you run a frugal campaign or your "donors" are generous enough you can be set for life. For fifty years us socialists in Canada have been keeping a socialist option available in the face of constant pleas to vote Liberal to defeat the Conservative evil. I hate Democrats as much as I hate Liberals so what is your and Josh's point?

Voting for the lesser of evils leads to a Trump getting elected and now he is followed by an aging puppet. The "left" in the US have no one to blame but themselves since they allowed themselves to settle for the Democrats election, after election, after election.

So no I don't have to be glad that a Democrat war criminal is once again in the White House and tell myself it is better than the alternative. This POTUS will continue to destroy peoples lives all over the planet at the behest of the American plutocracy. Although I doubt if he will actually do much. He strikes me of more of a delegate everything to the staff kind of guy.

NorthReport

Well that stupidity didn't work so what now?

https://www.rawstory.com/trumps-new-impeachment-legal-team/

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Trump White House behind march to Capital

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-white-house-behind-capitol-march/

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And we still have how many more days until the defeated president's trial begins?

https://documented.net/2021/01/republican-attorneys-general-dark-money-g...

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JKR

kropotkin1951 wrote:

The "left" in the US have no one to blame but themselves since they allowed themselves to settle for the Democrats election, after election, after election.

The U.S. has a two party system so what viable alternative do leftists in the U.S. have instead of the Democrats? If a viable alternative exists, why haven't leftists in the US supported it? Why has the left in the U.S. suppprted the Democrats? 

NDPP

From the right:

Cortes: Trump can turn the impeachment on the insiders and put Congress on trial

https://thenationalpulse.com/analysis/cortes-trump-can-turn-the-impeachm...

"With this shameful political charade, the overreaching Democrats included accusations that allow for team Trump to make a robust case before the nation about the metrical problems that mar the Nov 3rd presidential vote in a forum of unparalleled prominence and reach..."

 

Steve Bannon speaks exclusively to Revolver News on Trump, Senate Impeachment, Gamestop and the future of populism

https://www.revolver.news/2021/01/steve-bannon-speaks-exclusively-to-rev...

"Trump returns. Trump goes to the Capitol, to the well of the Senate to face his accusers and the jury. And he throws down hard on the evidence, the coverup and the failure to act. Only he can do this - the nation needs to hear this, the world needs to hear this, history demands to hear this. Remember, for all its 'baseless,' 'unfounded' nature, over 80% of Republicans that have reviewed the material concluded the vote was stolen and Biden is illegitimate. Think what percentage of the American people will be stunned to hear what the Tech Oligarchs and Media Masters deemed was too explosive for their eyes and ears..."

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Democrats' divide and conquer Senate show trial may jeopardize duopoly

https://thesaker.is/democrats-divide-and-conquer-senate-show-trial-may-j...

"Much ink could be spilled about the upcoming and second Senate impeachment trial of Donald Trump, but that would be a waste of ink. The trial has nothing to do with social justice or patriotism and everything to do with aggravating political divisions for elites' gain..."

JKR

NDPP wrote:

Trump returns. Trump goes to the Capitol, to the well of the Senate to face his accusers and the jury. And he throws down hard on the evidence, the coverup and the failure to act. Only he can do this - the nation needs to hear this, the world needs to hear this, history demands to hear this. Remember, for all its 'baseless,' 'unfounded' nature, over 80% of Republicans that have reviewed the material concluded the vote was stolen and Biden is illegitimate. Think what percentage of the American people will be stunned to hear what the Tech Oligarchs and Media Masters deemed was too explosive for their eyes and ears...

NDPP, do you think this is going to happen? What will you do if nothing like this at all happens? What happens if Trump's anticipated day of glory by his cult of personality turns into yet another day of Trump infamy?

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