Trump impeached for second time - what's next?

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Actually I don't think this is going to happen. Not because there weren't significant election 'irregularities' orchestrated to advantage Democrats but because Republicans were also involved in the removal of the outsider Trump and the coverup after. The American duopoly's hold on the American public would be severely threatened if the US public were allowed to see the pertinent and incriminating Election 2020 receipts in the light of day. Under present power relations 'Trump infamy' is also a very useful distraction from Dem infamy, as is amply demonstrated daily here - for which there is also a cult of personality, no? PS How many 'Executive Orders' is Uncle Joe up to now?

JKR

NDPP, do you wish Trump was still president? It sounds to me like you do.

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[quote=JKR]

NDPP, do you wish Trump was still president? It sounds to me like you do.

[quote=NDPP]

No, but what does it matter anyway? The duopoly always wins in the end. Uncle Joe will do just as well in exposing how things really work. Or don't. As long as you're paying attention to something other than 'rah rah Democrats!' We can definitely look forward to Biden presiding over a great leap downwards. His owners/patrons will demand it. I feel bad for the even more pain that is coming for ordinary Americans and possibly the world under his war-party regime.  Unfortunately I'm also thinking that part of the old saying 'You can fool some of the people all the time' might include some babblers I know...

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JKR

NDPP wrote:

The duopoly always wins in the end. Uncle Joe will do just as well in exposing how things really work. Or don't. As long as you're paying attention to something other than 'rah rah Democrats!' We can definitely look forward to Biden presiding over a great leap downwards. His owners/patrons will demand it. I feel bad for the even more pain that is coming for ordinary Americans. 

What specific events do you see occurring in Biden's "leap downward?" Is it possible that Biden could improve some things such as race relations, expanding public health care, dealing with climate change, being more balanced with Israel, establishing an infrastructure program, increasing taxes on the rich, etc...

NDPP

Pollyanna OBiden bullshit. I think not. There will be mostly optics, Dem virtue signalling and some shuffling deck-chairs on the titanic while he borrows shitloads of money most of which will go to the piggy bankster and corporate mafias including the War Industry. I predict ole White Joe  will make war without and within while liberal useful idiots make every excuse in the world they never would for Trump. Justin Trudeau et al will slobber and shine his shoes as is now our practice and give him everything he asks for, just as he did Trump. Wait four years and we'll see how I did.

josh

The American duopoly's hold on the American public would be severely threatened if the US public were allowed to see the pertinent and incriminating Election 2020 receipts in the light of day.

ROTFL. They would be allowed to see it.  If it existed.  So would have the courts.  

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Trump just fired his legal team because he is trying to turn his impeachment trial into a circus 

Trump sabotages Republicans’ planned defense of his insurrection, tries to turn second impeachment into a sideshow

https://www.salon.com/2021/02/01/trump-just-fired-his-legal-team-because...

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Political legend Pete McCloskey compares 'psychopath' Trump to Hitler -- and traces the GOP's demise to Newt Gingrich

Now 93, McCloskey had more than a front-row seat during the turbulent Vietnam era and the fall of President Richard Nixon. As a renegade Republican congressman, McCloskey called for Nixon's impeachment over the Vietnam War in 1971, opposed him in the Republican primary in 1972 and was the first to demand his resignation during Watergate.

So McCloskey knows an outlaw president when he sees one. With the benefit of that experience and the wisdom of his years, does he see the need to view the reign of Donald Trump dispassionately as just a case of history repeating itself? Are people overreacting to the turmoil of recent times?

Nope.

McCloskey describes the current climate as "much worse" than the Vietnam era. And he sees Trump -- "a narcissistic psychopath incapable of the truth" -- on an entirely different level than his old nemesis from the 70s. Indeed, McCloskey likened Trump's impact on the Republican Party to that of Adolf Hitler. And he continues to worry about the safety of U.S. politicians.

https://www.rawstory.com/pete-mccloskey/

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Sorry, Republicans, but there's no way to acquit Trump without endorsing his insurrection

Trump's new loyalty test makes it clear: Republicans who vote to acquit are siding with the insurrectionists

By AMANDA MARCOTTE

FEBRUARY 1, 2021 5:57PM (UTC)

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Donald Trump (Photo illustration by Salon/Getty Images)

https://www.salon.com/2021/02/01/sorry-republicans-but-theres-no-way-to-...

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Schrödinger's insurrectionists.

Sorry, Republicans, but there's no way to acquit Trump without endorsing his insurrection

Trump's new loyalty test makes it clear: Republicans who vote to acquit are siding with the insurrectionists

By AMANDA MARCOTTE

FEBRUARY 1, 2021 5:57PM (UTC)

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Donald Trump (Photo illustration by Salon/Getty Images)

The entire reason Republicans in Congress won't convict Trump, even though they know he's guilty, is fear of offending their pro-insurrection base. Whatever excuses they make are frankly beside the point. Republican leadership is complicit with Trump's attempted coup. The only way to not be complicit any longer is to vote to convict Trump. 

https://www.salon.com/2021/02/01/sorry-republicans-but-theres-no-way-to-...

josh

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Political legend Pete McCloskey compares 'psychopath' Trump to Hitler -- and traces the GOP's demise to Newt Gingrich

Now 93, McCloskey had more than a front-row seat during the turbulent Vietnam era and the fall of President Richard Nixon. As a renegade Republican congressman, McCloskey called for Nixon's impeachment over the Vietnam War in 1971, opposed him in the Republican primary in 1972 and was the first to demand his resignation during Watergate.

So McCloskey knows an outlaw president when he sees one. With the benefit of that experience and the wisdom of his years, does he see the need to view the reign of Donald Trump dispassionately as just a case of history repeating itself? Are people overreacting to the turmoil of recent times?

Nope.

McCloskey describes the current climate as "much worse" than the Vietnam era. And he sees Trump -- "a narcissistic psychopath incapable of the truth" -- on an entirely different level than his old nemesis from the 70s. Indeed, McCloskey likened Trump's impact on the Republican Party to that of Adolf Hitler. And he continues to worry about the safety of U.S. politicians.

https://www.rawstory.com/pete-mccloskey/

Wow.  Didn't know McCloskey was still around.

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Tick, Tock. Tick, Tock.

8 days and counting.

Trump legal switch hints at larger problems

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/536811-trump-legal-switch-hi...

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kropotkin1951

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kropotkin1951 wrote:

The "left" in the US have no one to blame but themselves since they allowed themselves to settle for the Democrats election, after election, after election.

The U.S. has a two party system so what viable alternative do leftists in the U.S. have instead of the Democrats? If a viable alternative exists, why haven't leftists in the US supported it? Why has the left in the U.S. suppprted the Democrats? 

The US is no different than Canada. It once had a large and viable Socialist party and for more than a decade now it has had a socialist Green party so the options are available but like good sheep the Democratic party partisans accept the duopoly bullshit. The Liberals are the same as the Democrats and they have been pushing the same shit in Canada for since at least Mulroney. Voting for the Liberals to save us from Harper is the same thing as voting for Biden. I don't treat Liberals all that nicely some days and frankly which side of the border those imperialists come from is irrelevant to me. I send an MP to Ottawa to speak truth to power and he happens to be NDP. I have never voted Liberal and I have never expected that the party I was voting for was going to form government federally. I have spent five decades making sure that the debate in our legislature is not a duopoly so frankly I don't buy the bullshit that there is no choice because there are choices.

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kropotkin1951 wrote:

JKR wrote:

kropotkin1951 wrote:

The "left" in the US have no one to blame but themselves since they allowed themselves to settle for the Democrats election, after election, after election.

The U.S. has a two party system so what viable alternative do leftists in the U.S. have instead of the Democrats? If a viable alternative exists, why haven't leftists in the US supported it? Why has the left in the U.S. suppprted the Democrats? 

The US is no different than Canada. It once had a large and viable Socialist party and for more than a decade now it has had a socialist Green party so the options are available but like good sheep the Democratic party partisans accept the duopoly bullshit. The Liberals are the same as the Democrats and they have been pushing the same shit in Canada for since at least Mulroney. Voting for the Liberals to save us from Harper is the same thing as voting for Biden. I don't treat Liberals all that nicely some days and frankly which side of the border those imperialists come from is irrelevant to me. I send an MP to Ottawa to speak truth to power and he happens to be NDP. I have never voted Liberal and I have never expected that the party I was voting for was going to form government federally. I have spent five decades making sure that the debate in our legislature is not a duopoly so frankly I don't buy the bullshit that there is no choice because there are choices.

i agree, there are choices; and no time like the present to support the politics you actually want.

although both canada and america have institutional impediments to third parties (fptp, cost, debate and media exclusion, etc), it's my understanding that america has a shit-ton more.

mostly centered around weird and arbitrary state (as apposed to fed) control of the (fed) election processes, and the electoral college hu-ha, which effectively act as a do-not-pass filter.   years ago in harpers i think, was a pretty convincing article re the college, around the time of gore's non election.

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JKR

kropotkin1951 wrote:

The US is no different than Canada. It once had a large and viable Socialist party and for more than a decade now it has had a socialist Green party so the options are available but like good sheep the Democratic party partisans accept the duopoly bullshit. The Liberals are the same as the Democrats and they have been pushing the same shit in Canada for since at least Mulroney. Voting for the Liberals to save us from Harper is the same thing as voting for Biden. I don't treat Liberals all that nicely some days and frankly which side of the border those imperialists come from is irrelevant to me. I send an MP to Ottawa to speak truth to power and he happens to be NDP. I have never voted Liberal and I have never expected that the party I was voting for was going to form government federally. I have spent five decades making sure that the debate in our legislature is not a duopoly so frankly I don't buy the bullshit that there is no choice because there are choices.

The U.S.'s presidential system, primary system, and  registration system makes the American political system and electoral system very different than Canada's. In the U.S. Americans are required to register themselves into just three categories, Democrat, Republican, or Independent. Also, the U.S. primary system supports just the two mainline parties. Presidential elections with just one victor also supports a two party system. There's a reason why Biden and Trump received over 98% of the vote! If that isn't indicative of a two-party system I'm not sure what would be.

josh

Thank you.  Parliamentary and presidential systems.  Totally different.

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Here's the timeline. Doesn't look good for Trump.

Trump Insurrection Timeline: First the Coup -- And then the Cover-Up

https://www.rawstory.com/insurrection-act/

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kropotkin1951

JKR wrote:

The U.S.'s presidential system, primary system, and  registration system makes the American political system and electoral system very different than Canada's. In the U.S. Americans are required to register themselves into just three categories, Democrat, Republican, or Independent. Also, the U.S. primary system supports just the two mainline parties. Presidential elections with just one victor also supports a two party system. There's a reason why Biden and Trump received over 98% of the vote! If that isn't indicative of a two-party system I'm not sure what would be.

If the House and Senate were controlled by socialists like Bernie then it would not matter who the President was. The Green's win local seats and could easily become a force in the US. However people chose to continue to support  a party of war criminals and Wall Street enablers. The only way out of the problem is grass roots organizing to win Congressional seats and take power state by state like in Canada. In Canada our debate has not sunk as far because we have parties that have to be listened to because they win seats and can win power provincially. The US system allows for that as well.

It is the big tent approach to politics that both the Liberals and Conservatives in Canada love to brag about. However what it means is that any left wing ideas get discussed at the Liberal party level and form part of their platform but never get implemented while the oligarchy is spoon fed what it requests. In our FPTP system we strive to achieve majority governments with a plurality of votes so that we don't have to take the majority of voters wishes into account.

In the US's current duopoly it is guaranteed that close to half of US voters will be not only unrepresented but disillusioned when the other side wins. This is the inevitable result of decades of business funded negative ads dominating politics. The lesser of evils becomes the only debate and then your infrastructure collapses and your citizens die in a pandemic and your billionaires amass riches hitherto unknown in recorded history. I believe the US political system is broken and can't be fixed.

As a socialist syndicalist the answer is emphatically not the Democrats anymore than the answer to any thing in Canada is the Liberals. That is the perspective I post from and I will not accept that Biden is anything more than a war criminal whose loyalties lie with his corporate friends and benefactors. Americans choose to support the military industrial complex's duopoly because they think they have the God given right to rule the planet because the American way is superior to any other system. That is the rot at the heart of the  system not the procedural methods to get elected. American voters vote for the unabashed imperialism from either of the duopolies, the devil did not make them do that for fifty years. While their tax dollars were murdering million and millions of people in all corners of the planet they have been keeping in power people who incarcerate more people per capita than any other fascist regime in the world.

US voters make their choices and the rest of the world pays the price. Unfortunately self interest is the American way.

josh

Powell began this meeting with the same baseless claim that now has her facing a $1.3 billion defamation lawsuit: She told the president that Dominion Voting Systems had rigged their machines to flip votes from Trump to Biden and that it was part of an international communist plot to steal the election for the Democrats.

. . . .

It didn't take long for the yelling to start up again. They were now in hour four of a meeting unprecedented even by the deranged standards of the final days of the Trump presidency. 
 

 

https://www.axios.com/trump-oval-office-meeting-sidney-powell-a8e1e466-2e42-42d0-9cf1-26eb267f8723.html?utm_campaign=organic&utm_medium=socialshare&utm_source=twitter

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Trump Team Responds to Impeachment Article, Argues Senate has 'No Jurisdiction' to Bar from Running Again

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trump-team-responds-impeachment-arti...

"President Trump's legal team has filed a response to House Democrats' single impeachment article, arguing that he cannot be tried for impeachment because he's no longer president, and that he did not engage in insurrection or rebellion leading up to the Jan 6 Capitol riot.

'Incitement of insurrection against him is moot and thus in violation of the Constitution, because the Senate lacks jurisdiction to remove from office a man who does not hold office,' reads the filing.

Trump's team also argues that as a private citizen, the Senate has no jurisdiction over whether he can hold office again. 'The 45th President believes and therefore avers that as a private citizen, the Senate has no jurisdiction over his ability to hold office..."

As per my earlier assessment of the obvious Constitutional defence citing Prof Turley.

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Why Hasn't the House held Hearings to Establish 'Incitement to Insurrection'?

https://jonathanturley.org/2021/01/30/why-hasnt-the-house-held-hearings-...

"...these hearings seem weirdly tailored to avoid key issues related to the trial."

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Oh, that's coming too. No need to worry, we will get there before you know it.

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House impeachment managers say Trump "singularly responsible" for Capitol attack

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-impeachment-responsibility-capitol-riot/

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Senate Democrats unveil resolution denouncing Capitol assault, calling for review of domestic terror threat

 

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/capitol-riot-resolution-senate-democrats-do...

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Trump's formal answer to his impeachment starts off by misspelling "United States." It goes downhill from there.

https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/1356678459989385218?s=20

Sounds like Sidney Powell wrote the brief.

josh

Trump's formal answer to his impeachment starts off by misspelling "United States." It goes downhill from there.

https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/1356678459989385218?s=20

Sounds like Sidney Powell wrote the brief.

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Marcy Wheeler at Emptywheel.net could well be the best analyst going concerning these thugs.

The Mob Party

https://www.emptywheel.net/

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Trump impeachment and Capitol Riots (and vid)

https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2021/01/18/643260/Trump-Impeachment---Cap...

"Trump was also banned from Twitter and deplatformed from other sites. We examine this decision by Silicon Valley, as well as the domestic terror laws being pushed by Democrats, as some warn that recent events could be used to increase authoritarianism and expand the surveillance state."

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Thanks Trump as this is what your leadership has contributed

https://www.rawstory.com/china-racist/

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Capitol Hill Aides Beg Senate to Convict Trump: ‘Our Workplace Was Attacked by a Violent Mob’

“For our sake, and the sake of the country, we ask that they vote to convict the former president and bar him from ever holding office again.”

https://www.vice.com/en/article/dy8evy/capitol-hill-aides-beg-senate-to-...

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