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Mr. Magoo

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But it is up to ourselves to recapture our own independence. That never comes from outside.

Did the people of Europe get this advice from Dr. Phil?

bekayne

6079_Smith_W wrote:

montrealer58 wrote:

If people are wondering why the evangelicals are sticking with Trump consider that his personality type is very similar to the Christian preachers who lead them: egotistical, womanizing, maniacal, deluded, grandiose, type-'A' etc.

I think it is more because he is their only hope to push their interests on the anti-choice front, on the supreme court, on their "religious right to discriminate against others" front, and on the anti LGBT front.

Not to mention the whole range of conservative social issues they tend to favour. Given that, it is no surprise many of them will hold their nose and vote for him. 

Some of the religious right support because they think he will bring about Armageddon. There was a poll where 34% of his supporters though he would start a nuclear war.

NorthReport
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One of the slimiest parts of the Trump the Chump con by not paying his fair share of taxes shows his lack of support for schools healthcare veterans infrastructure less privileged etc unlike principled capitalists like Buffett

http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2016/10/10/buffett-to-trump-here-are-my-t...

NorthReport

Trump Taj Mahal closes its doors in Atlantic City

I wonder how much taxpayer money Christie gave to Trump and how much Christie got in return

http://money.cnn.com/2016/10/10/news/companies/trump-taj-mahal-closed/in...

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

NorthReport wrote:
Trump Taj Mahal closes its doors in Atlantic City I wonder how much taxpayer money Christie gave to Trump and how much Christie got in return
">http://money.cnn.com/2016/10/10/news/companies/trump-taj-mahal-closed/in...

Good question. But whatever the amounts, we can confidently say that this inequality is true:

Tax and Subsidy Benefits to Trump >>> Trump's Contributions to Christie

It turns out that buying a politician or 3 is one of the cheapest and best investments a business can make. The R.O.I. is fabulous compared to more conventional approaches like investing in technology.

Mr. Magoo

According to your link:

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Trump gave up his CEO position in the 2004 bankruptcy. He unloaded the casino in the 2009 reorganization

But Chris Christie became governor of New Jersey in 2010.

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Good question.

If you do the math, no, not really.

 

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

OK, I admit my research staff fucked up on this one. The principle remains true however.

NorthReport

Actually Michael stick with your original thoughts as you probably hit the nail on the nose on this one With Trump the Chump there are so many twists and turns it can be quite confusing to follow his scams.....er business dealings

http://m.lasvegassun.com/news/2016/aug/17/trump-casinos-tax-debt-was-30-...

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Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

Yeah you guys keep thinking Trump stands a chance now.

Sean in Ottawa

Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

Yeah you guys keep thinking Trump stands a chance now.

He has been a long shot through the whole thing. But you should not dismiss a threat. He retains far too much support. As well the potential for bombshells remain. So for sure he is weak and looking like it is more likely that he will be blown away, but a chance of something else remains even though it is remote.

I remember thinking Harper was great becuase he was so extreme and so unelectable. Then the guy got elected and re-elected and re-elected.

There is a market for stupid as some people say.

voice of the damned

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I remember thinking Harper was great becuase he was so extreme and so unelectable. Then the guy got elected and re-elected and re-elected.

That's not quite how I recall Harper's ascension. In his early says as PM, EnMasse had a thread called "Stephen Harper: Yes, he IS that bad", as if people still needed to be reminded that he was an extremist.

And certainly I don't recall any point at which his own supporters were coming out and saying "We can no longer endorse this man, he's just so beyond the pale", as is now happening with Trump. The closest to that was a few Red Tories saying they didn't like the direction he was taking the party, somewhat overestimating(I think) the degree to which the party had ever been "red" to begin with.

I think a better example for what you're talking about would be Rob Ford. I recall a post someone made on babble, written some time before Ford was considered a serious prospect for mayor...

"Hey, wouldn't it be hilsarious if [some other right-winger whose name escapes me] ran for mayor? He'd get support from clowns like Rob Ford, and it would be a total farce!!"

So, Ford went from being a minor character in a presumed crushing of the Toronto Right, to being, well, you know the story.

voice of the damned

I think a more serious issue is what happens to Gary Johnson's vote. Are most of his supporters right-wingers who hate Clinton enough to hold their noses and vote Republican, if it looks like she is going to win?

bekayne

bekayne

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/11/politics/paul-lepage-authoritarian-power/i...

"Sometimes, I wonder that our Constitution is not only broken, but we need a Donald Trump to show some authoritarian power in our country and bring back the rule of law because we've had eight years of a president, he's an autocrat, he just does it on his own, he ignores Congress and every single day, we're slipping into anarchy," LePage said on Maine radio station WVOM.

Sean in Ottawa

voice of the damned wrote:
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I remember thinking Harper was great becuase he was so extreme and so unelectable. Then the guy got elected and re-elected and re-elected.

 

That's not quite how I recall Harper's ascension. In his early says as PM, EnMasse had a thread called "Stephen Harper: Yes, he IS that bad", as if people still needed to be reminded that he was an extremist.

 

And certainly I don't recall any point at which his own supporters were coming out and saying "We can no longer endorse this man, he's just so beyond the pale", as is now happening with Trump. The closest to that was a few Red Tories saying they didn't like the direction he was taking the party, somewhat overestimating(I think) the degree to which the party had ever been "red" to begin with.

 

I think a better example for what you're talking about would be Rob Ford. I recall a post someone made on babble, written some time before Ford was considered a serious prospect for mayor...

 

"Hey, wouldn't it be hilsarious if [some other right-winger whose name escapes me] ran for mayor? He'd get support from clowns like Rob Ford, and it would be a total farce!!"

 

So, Ford went from being a minor character in a presumed crushing of the Toronto Right, to being, well, you know the story.

The point I am making is that you don't dismiss the chance of a person only 6 points back of getting elected.

Also I remember many discussions where Harper was shown as very right wing -- the PC party did look like it was being split on this issue. No, the Reform party did not but there was an assumption by many that they could not get elected.

Trump is a threat -- and he expoes an even greater threat. If he can be this outlandish and sit just 6 points back there is a very large nasty contingent in the US at the edge of political power.

Those not concerned should be.

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Ex-GOP Attorney General: Trump Vow To Jail Clinton Is A 'Watershed' Moment

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/mukasey-trump-clinton-jail

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The Man Behind the Tapes That Could Sink the Donald

Here’s why Mark Burnett won't release the Apprentice footage.

 

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/10/donald-trump-mark-burnett...

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New Records Suggest Donald Trump Misled the Public About His Income

He says he made $694 million last year, but UK documents undercut that claim.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/10/new-documents-show-trump-mis...

Mr. Magoo

Would those lesser earnings change his tax obligations?

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

The point I am making is that you don't dismiss the chance of a person only 6 points back of getting elected.

Trump is at least 11 points behind Clinton now.

6079_Smith_W

Astounding:

https://www.facebook.com/paulpap/videos/10209693457724023/

Here's the whole movie, if you are interested:

bekayne

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/10/12/former-mis...

On an April 11, 2005, airing of “The Howard Stern Show,” Donald Trump bragged about some of the special perks he enjoyed while he was owner of the Miss USA pageant. They came not in a locker room but a dressing room.

“I’ll go backstage before a show, and everyone’s getting dressed and ready and everything else,” he said. “And you know, no men are anywhere. And I’m allowed to go in because I’m the owner of the pageant. And therefore I’m inspecting it.”

Stern replied, “You’re like a doctor.”

Trump responded: “Is everyone okay? You know they’re standing there with no clothes. And you see these incredible-looking women. And so I sort of get away with things like that.”

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Separately, BuzzFeed News reported Wednesday that four women in the 1997 Miss Teen USA beauty pageant said Trump walked into their dressing room while they were changing. Some were as young as 15, BuzzFeed reported.

Three spoke anonymously, and one allowed her name to be used. “I remember putting on my dress really quick because I was like, ‘Oh my god, there’s a man in here,'” Mariah Billado, a former Miss Vermont Teen USA, told BuzzFeed.

Trump, she told BuzzFeed News, said “something like ‘Don’t worry, ladies, I’ve seen it all before.'”

 

 

6079_Smith_W

The Clinton camp must be feeling pretty sure of themselves to be releasing this. Not sure it is a good strategy, but...

In case anyone is thinking this is a new low for presidential campaigns, it is worth remembering that no one has been shot and killed yet.

 

bekayne

Mr. Magoo

"You know, I’m automatically attracted to beautiful signs — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything."

mark_alfred

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Astounding:

https://www.facebook.com/paulpap/videos/10209693457724023/

Here's the whole movie, if you are interested:

Thanks.  Looks good.  I'm going to check it out.

NorthReport
NorthReport

Trump’s Moment of Truth

The nominee and his allies are responsible for his election fate.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/trumps-moment-of-truth-1476314696

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See the date

Well you can't win them all, eh! Silver sure had his head in the sand over the GOP nomination

Donald Trump’s Six Stages Of Doom

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/donald-trumps-six-stages-of-doom/

 

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DONALD TRUMP, THE GREAT EMBARRASSMENT

The history of American politics is littered with carnage, but little compares to what’s currently roiling the Republican Party.

“The Republicans never do any serious fighting in public,” H. L. Mencken declared in 1932, just before the G.O.P.’s Convention, where Herbert Hoover ran for the nomination, all but unopposed. Less than a month later, it took the Democrats four ballots and five days of sweaty deal-making before F.D.R. won his party’s nomination, defeating the former New York Governor Al Smith with delegates thrown his way by the Texan John Garner. “The Democrats, unlike the Republicans, always do their fighting in public,” Mencken wrote. “The history of the party is one long record of ambushes, treasons and kidnappings.” So, too, is the history of much of American politics. But hardly anything in the history of either party compares to the present carnage in the G.O.P.

http://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/donald-trump-the-great...

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Obama: You don't need daughters to object to Trump's misogyny

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2016/10/12/obama_to_gop_you_don_t_n...

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bekayne

Trump grows more and more addle-minded by the day:

Timebandit Timebandit's picture

I found the people in China to be quite kind, usually.

NorthReport

Good to hear timebandit

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Trump isn't teflon

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-isnt-teflon/

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NDPP

The Ruling Class's Hatred of Trump is Different Than Yours

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/10/14/the-ruling-classs-hatred-of-trump...

"Much, maybe most of the nation's corporate, financial and imperial establishment loathes Donald Trump. There's a big difference, however, between our portside, bottom-up contempt for Trump and the Establishment's top-down and intra-elite scorn for the Republican presidential nominee.

Most folks in the nation's unelected and interrelated dictatorships of money and empire would certainly be willing to put up with the prospects of a viciously sexist, racist and classist Trump if they didn't think it would be really bad for business, for US global power and for the legitimacy of American authority at home and abroad..."

bekayne

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/10/14/donald-j-trump-the-hawk/

Donald Trump is no peacenik. Leave aside Trump’s proclamation that he “love[s] war” and unpredictability, and that he is more “militaristic” than anyone. Forget that he wants to enlarge the military and that he refuses to forswear first use of nuclear weapons. Ignore his bellicosity toward Iran and China or his promise to support Israel unconditionally. Pay no attention to Trump’s 2002 endorsement of the invasion of Iraq and his imploring Obama to invade Libya and overthrow Muammar Gaddafi.

All we have to do to see the real Trump is examine his allegedly dovish statements.

 

bekayne

http://www.newsplex.com/content/news/Legally-armed-protester-hangs-outsi...

Parks stood outside the offices for almost 12 hours. Dittmar volunteers say that the protest was disturbing.

"If he wants to support his candidate that's fine, but don't come here and stare into the office all day," said Su Wolff, a Fluvanna County resident and Dittmar volunteer.

Parks was eventually joined by another protester, and Wolff said that the most troubling part of the protest was that both of them started to expose their firearms.

"He turned sideways to be sure that we would see that he has an open carry gun, which is legal, and is fine, but it's intimidating," she said.

 

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

Who could possibly be intimidated by these friendly looking fellows?

bekayne

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/10/donald-trump-hate-groups-neo...

Anglin predicted that if Trump loses, "it is by fraud, and all of these people who are currently supporting him are going to be radicalized." Those radicals, he said, will finally realize "there is a Jewish media conspiracy" and "a war on the White man." Picking up on Trump's own assertion that a Clinton victory would mean the election is "rigged," Anglin said Trump would "order a putsch."

In late August, Occidental Dissent's Brad Griffin mused about the possibility of a Trump win: "Can you imagine a world in which White Nationalists have come out of the closet, the charge of 'racism' elicits only a 'meh' and shrugged shoulders, and we have begun to openly organize? Don't underestimate the power of the presidency to legitimize marginalized people and deviant movements. If Barack Obama can legitimize gay marriage and transsexuals, Donald Trump can legitimize the Alt-Right."

In the wake of the explosive Trump video, Spencer acknowledged that "it's going to be difficult for him to win in November." But as he told us recently, "There have always been people in American history who have had a racialist idea. I just think now it's like our time has come."

 

Timebandit Timebandit's picture

Chilling.

Here's an article from Matt Taibbi in Rolling Stone - interesting analysis, as always.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/the-fury-and-failure-of-do...

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Trump's shocking rise and spectacular fall have been a singular disaster for U.S. politics. Built up in the press as the American Hitler, he was unmasked in the end as a pathetic little prankster who ruined himself, his family and half of America's two-party political system for what was probably a half-assed ego trip all along, adventure tourism for the idiot rich.

That such a small man would have such an awesome impact on our nation's history is terrible, but it makes sense if you believe in the essential ridiculousness of the human experience. Trump picked exactly the wrong time to launch his mirror-gazing rampage to nowhere. He ran at a time when Americans on both sides of the aisle were experiencing a deep sense of betrayal by the political class, anger that was finally ready to express itself at the ballot box.

quizzical

ya i read it earlier to day.

the word "chilling" is exactly right.

i didn't know what it was i was feeling till i read the word.

 

Doug Woodard

Where Trump comes from:

http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/176195/tomgram%3A_engelhardt_%2C_this_is...

There's something to this, but it's also important to remember where these desperate American voters  who feel they have nothing to lose and want to blow up the system, came from. The American rich thought they could get away with anything, but there are consequences.

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bekayne

NorthReport

Yesterday it was Clinton needs to go to jail, today it's Clinton needs to be drug tested, but Trump the Chump probably left out the most important test of all and what is desperately needed: psychological tests for himself.

Trump calls for drug test ahead of next debate, says Clinton 

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/15/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-drug...

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

Michael Moriarity wrote:

Who could possibly be intimidated by these friendly looking fellows?

Not me, you?

 

 

 

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